Should "Tina Boland" be Arrow's new Black Canary?
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For me, there shouldn't have been a new Black Canary, period. Regardless of what her real name is. Laurel should have been the last one. And it's not just the fact that this is a disservice to Laurel. It's the fact that a Black Canary just doesn't work on this show anymore. With Felicity being the alpha female of Arrow, the Black Canary (whether it's Laurel or Tina) will always be a marginalized character and just one more member of an extremely crowded Arrowcave.Comment
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The only way I see Black Canary receiving the respect that character is warranted and deserves on Arrow is if Felicity Smoak would take up the mantle yet that in itself would be a huge disrespect to the character so that I believe the character should be left out of this adaption of Green Arrow. Now if the Berlantiverse were to bring us a Black Canary/Birds of Prey spinoff then I could see another introduction of the character yet as far as Arrow is concerned even with her own show Black Canary now should have nothing more than occasional guest appearances.Comment
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They can call her Dinah Drake if they want, but she's not Laurel and she's not Laurel's mother, Dinah. Her name might as well be Jenna "Jax" Jackson as far as I'm concerned. She's a new creation being used to cover up something that went on behind the scenes and not because the story organically flowed in that direction.
Were I them, I just would've changed the color. They already have a White Canary and a Red Arrow. Might as well have made her Red Canary or something like that.Comment
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Thing is, is that White Canary exists in the comics as a villain to Black Canary. There has never been another colored canary. What I don't like is the fact that we've spent all of this time with Laurel and her progression as a character, and as soon as she's getting really good development and growing as a hero, she's killed off. They knew right away that they wanted to do Black Canary in Arrow. Because Black Canary is such an important character in the Green Arrow mythos. What they should've done from the beginning is give Laurel the personality of Black Canary in the comics. They could've developed her through the series and build her up as a hero. They even had Wildcat in a season training her. Which is what happened in the comics and why she's an expert in boxing (she also has a black belt in Judo). Then when Barry Allen entered the show and the whole thing with the particle accelerator happened, she could've been visiting Central City for whatever reason and got hit. Then you spend the rest of that season with her dealing with the change and her powers, then the following season make her Black Canary. Boom. Done.Comment
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Thing is, is that White Canary exists in the comics as a villain to Black Canary. There has never been another colored canary. What I don't like is the fact that we've spent all of this time with Laurel and her progression as a character, and as soon as she's getting really good development and growing as a hero, she's killed off. They knew right away that they wanted to do Black Canary in Arrow. Because Black Canary is such an important character in the Green Arrow mythos. What they should've done from the beginning is give Laurel the personality of Black Canary in the comics. They could've developed her through the series and build her up as a hero. They even had Wildcat in a season training her. Which is what happened in the comics and why she's an expert in boxing (she also has a black belt in Judo). Then when Barry Allen entered the show and the whole thing with the particle accelerator happened, she could've been visiting Central City for whatever reason and got hit. Then you spend the rest of that season with her dealing with the change and her powers, then the following season make her Black Canary. Boom. Done.Last edited by Dagenspear; 02-04-2017, 03:52 PM.Comment
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Laurel should've had a very similar personality as Black Canary in the comics, and even at times in the first season displayed such personality as well as showing to be an adequate fighter. Having fighting abilities and a sonic scream is definitely what Black Canary is. Black Canary in ALL adaptations in the comics had amazing fighting prowess and a canary cry (even though Dinah Drake pre New 52 didn't have it at first but got it years later). Personality and abilities is what makes these characters who they are. It'll be like having a Flash show with Barry Allen who is an angst filled jerk that doesn't have super speed. They done quite a bit to actually show she is Black Canary, but they crapped on it.
Also, the origins don't always make the character. For Batman, Superman, and Green Arrow, you're right. It's a huge part of their characters. For Black Canary? Nope. She's had a couple different origins. Both of which could be used. Pre New 52 Dinah Laurel Lance lived with both her parents with a father who was a cop and taught her things and trained under Wildcat. In the New 52 and current origin, Dinah Laurel Lance (whose name was Dinah Drake and briefly married into the name Lance) was dropped off at foster care at the age of 4 moving from foster home to foster home until she ran away at the age of 10 and was found by a martial artist who gave her a place to stay at his dojo and trained her. Also, in the New 52 she was a part of Team 7 as a Covert Ops agent and actually married her partner who ended up dying.
So we have two comic accurate adaptations of Black Canary for the most part. One that is more in line with the Pre New 52 and one that follows more of the New 52 continuity. I wouldn't be surprised if Dinah Drake in the show talks about how she grew up in foster care.Last edited by Pulsayr; 02-06-2017, 02:17 PM.Comment
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Laurel should've had a very similar personality as Black Canary in the comics, and even at times in the first season displayed such personality as well as showing to be an adequate fighter. Having fighting abilities and a sonic scream is definitely what Black Canary is. Black Canary in ALL adaptations in the comics had amazing fighting prowess and a canary cry (even though Dinah Drake pre New 52 didn't have it at first but got it years later). Personality and abilities is what makes these characters who they are. It'll be like having a Flash show with Barry Allen who is an angst filled jerk that doesn't have super speed. They done quite a bit to actually show she is Black Canary, but they crapped on it.Also, the origins don't always make the character. For Batman, Superman, and Green Arrow, you're right. It's a huge part of their characters. For Black Canary? Nope. She's had a couple different origins. Both of which could be used. Pre New 52 Dinah Laurel Lance lived with both her parents with a father who was a cop and taught her things and trained under Wildcat. In the New 52 and current origin, Dinah Laurel Lance (whose name was Dinah Drake and briefly married into the name Lance) was dropped off at foster care at the age of 4 moving from foster home to foster home until she ran away at the age of 10 and was found by a martial artist who gave her a place to stay at his dojo and trained her. Also, in the New 52 she was a part of Team 7 as a Covert Ops agent and actually married her partner who ended up dying.So we have two comic accurate adaptations of Black Canary for the most part. One that is more in line with the Pre New 52 and one that follows more of the New 52 continuity. I wouldn't be surprised if Dinah Drake in the show talks about how she grew up in foster care.
God bless you all!Comment
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The reason Green Arrow's origin along with Batman's and Superman's is more important and rooted to their characters then others is because it's cemented in their characters. It's been that one constant throughout the years. For other characters, it's different. Look at Wonder Woman, who has multiple different origins (which they are trying to fix in Rebirth). Even The Flash has had two different origins. Also, personality defines the character. Even in Injustice Superman had a very similar personality to the main continuity but was a victim of circumstance and went down a path he couldn't escape from. Batman has been a lighter tone before but has always kept his personality.
They took the concept of her New 52 backstory and altered it slightly. So instead of Covert Ops, she was an undercover cop. The show went with a more believable variant that made sense for the show.
Again, that is her real backstory in the main continuity. You can't say it's a false backstory when it actually happened. In case you didn't read Rebirth, DC Rebirth is still in the New 52 continuity. Years were stolen. Lost. 5 of those years are still missing and unknown. They still dealt the world around them and went through real things. You're argument with Flashpoint Batman is invalid. That timeline was created briefly as a plot device and changed. Thus no longer being existent. New 52 continuity is still going. It's staying until or if they decide to reboot again. The whole point of DC Rebirth is to keep the New 52 continuity while bringing back things from Pre New 52 that others loved. So that everyone is pleased. New 52 is a real continuity whether you like it or not. New 52 Superman died. Yet we have Pre New 52 Superman who has been in the New 52 Continuity since the beginning watching everything unfold in the background.
So again, Black Canary's backstory in New 52 is real. It's a real reality where those things happened to her and it's still being applied and used. It doesn't just magically go away.Comment
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The reason Green Arrow's origin along with Batman's and Superman's is more important and rooted to their characters then others is because it's cemented in their characters. It's been that one constant throughout the years. For other characters, it's different. Look at Wonder Woman, who has multiple different origins (which they are trying to fix in Rebirth). Even The Flash has had two different origins. Also, personality defines the character. Even in Injustice Superman had a very similar personality to the main continuity but was a victim of circumstance and went down a path he couldn't escape from. Batman has been a lighter tone before but has always kept his personality.
They took the concept of her New 52 backstory and altered it slightly. So instead of Covert Ops, she was an undercover cop. The show went with a more believable variant that made sense for the show.
Again, that is her real backstory in the main continuity. You can't say it's a false backstory when it actually happened. In case you didn't read Rebirth, DC Rebirth is still in the New 52 continuity. Years were stolen. Lost. 5 of those years are still missing and unknown. They still dealt the world around them and went through real things. You're argument with Flashpoint Batman is invalid. That timeline was created briefly as a plot device and changed. Thus no longer being existent. New 52 continuity is still going. It's staying until or if they decide to reboot again. The whole point of DC Rebirth is to keep the New 52 continuity while bringing back things from Pre New 52 that others loved. So that everyone is pleased. New 52 is a real continuity whether you like it or not. New 52 Superman died. Yet we have Pre New 52 Superman who has been in the New 52 Continuity since the beginning watching everything unfold in the background.
So again, Black Canary's backstory in New 52 is real. It's a real reality where those things happened to her and it's still being applied and used. It doesn't just magically go away.
Fair warning about the guy your responding to? Just don't and save yourself the trouble. I've had more then one conversation that has led to him being put on my block list, for a few reasons. He hasn't watched the show since season 4, and comes to various forums to argue.
In regards to his views on Black Canary/Laurel? You will never get him to even agree to disagree because he picks and chooses with whatever his head canon is with everybody else is wrong since his views are always "fact".Comment
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So he's one of those guys that doesn't listen to logic and fails to admit when he is wrong? Got it. I'm glad you enjoyed my post and got some information out of it. Glad to be useful. ^_^ If you're interested in DC comics I highly recommend a lot of the Rebirth stuff. It keeps in line with the New 52 continuity but a lot of the first issues give a nice recap of the character and what goes on so you're less confused. Also YouTube channels like ComicsExplained and Comicstorian are amazing at giving good insightComment
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The reason Green Arrow's origin along with Batman's and Superman's is more important and rooted to their characters then others is because it's cemented in their characters. It's been that one constant throughout the years. For other characters, it's different. Look at Wonder Woman, who has multiple different origins (which they are trying to fix in Rebirth). Even The Flash has had two different origins. Also, personality defines the character. Even in Injustice Superman had a very similar personality to the main continuity but was a victim of circumstance and went down a path he couldn't escape from. Batman has been a lighter tone before but has always kept his personality.They took the concept of her New 52 backstory and altered it slightly. So instead of Covert Ops, she was an undercover cop. The show went with a more believable variant that made sense for the show.Again, that is her real backstory in the main continuity. You can't say it's a false backstory when it actually happened. In case you didn't read Rebirth, DC Rebirth is still in the New 52 continuity. Years were stolen. Lost. 5 of those years are still missing and unknown. They still dealt the world around them and went through real things. You're argument with Flashpoint Batman is invalid. That timeline was created briefly as a plot device and changed. Thus no longer being existent. New 52 continuity is still going. It's staying until or if they decide to reboot again. The whole point of DC Rebirth is to keep the New 52 continuity while bringing back things from Pre New 52 that others loved. So that everyone is pleased. New 52 is a real continuity whether you like it or not. New 52 Superman died. Yet we have Pre New 52 Superman who has been in the New 52 Continuity since the beginning watching everything unfold in the background.
So again, Black Canary's backstory in New 52 is real. It's a real reality where those things happened to her and it's still being applied and used. It doesn't just magically go away.
God bless you all!Comment
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So he's one of those guys that doesn't listen to logic and fails to admit when he is wrong? Got it. I'm glad you enjoyed my post and got some information out of it. Glad to be useful. ^_^ If you're interested in DC comics I highly recommend a lot of the Rebirth stuff. It keeps in line with the New 52 continuity but a lot of the first issues give a nice recap of the character and what goes on so you're less confused. Also YouTube channels like ComicsExplained and Comicstorian are amazing at giving good insight
I've heard of the Rebirth stuff and I have been keeping my eye on it. I'll keep those Youtube Channels in mind in case I need them.Comment
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