Loved It? Hated It? What did you think of "Man Of Steel?" ("SEEN IT" Thread!)

[Saber]

The movie was good but kinda forgettable for me. It had a redundancy to it. There wasn’t one part of the movie that I can say “oh that scene is gonna stay with me” very choppy.

I’m giving it a 7, it was just too much action overkill/overload. After a while, I was like ok that’s enough of the same special effects thing, I actually got tired and started looking at my watch (not a good sign). I was also hoping Zod would take the lady next to me with her excessive giggling (wish I had heat vision there… but whatever)

I did like that everyone one of the characters was believable and there wasn’t any corniness to them. All the actors did a great job on their portrayals and was credible in their own rite.
It was for sure, way... way better than the last Supes movie but it still wasn’t “wow” enough for me to run out and buy the DVD when it comes out. It did make for a pleasing movie morning.

They are getting closer to making Supes edgy, they are just not there yet but very close.
Overall…not bad, not great, …just good enough to keep me hoping for a Supes 2 with a little more edge and just a bit less of the same special effects overload.

[victorsage]

I didn't like it either. In the comics he overcame a group of "heroes" called The Elite without killing them. As others have said he used a Batman type of strategy to defeat them which he could have done here. Superman is not a detective like Batman, but he isn't stupid either. The murder of Zod traumatized him.......he let out a cry of anguish over doing it, and my guess is that this incident is how he adopts his no kill policy in the movie universe.

I don't want this to sound mean towards you specifically superherofan it isn't my itention to insult you personally, but I think so people didn't watch the same film I did.

Lets get this out of the way from the start.

1. The Elite and Zod of this film are not the same thing or characters. The Elite were super powered beings who believed it was better to kill weaker criminals then take them to prison even though they had a choice, and could easily have just arrested them and handed them over to the proper authorities. Zod was a member of the Kryptonian Warrior class who was breed and trained to put the interest of Krypton and it's citizens above everything else. He says outright that his plan is to destroy the entire human race and most of the life on Earth in order to bring back the glory of Krypton. That was what his caste did in Krytponain society. That's why they were created! Those were the idealize he was trained with and the traditions he followed! It was literally the majority of what he talked about when he was on screen.

After Clark stopped Zod's plan and sent all of his conspirators back to the Phantom Zone. When that happened everything that Zod was breed for, his entire philosophy and reason for living was taken away from him. After that he declared that the rest of his life was dedicated to destroying all of the human race himself after he killed Clark. This is not a group of misguided heroes who have declared themselves above the law, and who believed themselves to be the jury and executioner of people weaker then him. This was a manic who has no problem with creating the mass genocide of the entire human race to prove a point about the superiority of Krypton, and that if Krypton was not allowed to live then humanity could not be allowed to live either. His motives and reasons are clearly stated and laid out.

There was no way for Clark to "think" his way out of it. Zod was not going to listen to pleas of mercy, even when Clark begged him over and over by saying no.

2. This movie was as much of a war and alien invasion film as it was strictly a comic book film. Millions died in Metropolis because that was the city that the Kryptonian Army decided to put it's terrafoaming machine over. Clark couldn't save everyone no more then the US Army could save everyone in NYC is an Army showed up there and started killing people.

Do people think that when DC has a major event that happens in a city where the big bad is destroying things and killing people that the heroes show up and save everyone? Seriously?

When a war happens their are causalities it's the sad reality about war. Clark is SuperMAN not SuperGOD. He was faced against an entire military unit and had to face them alone.

Still he could have hurled Zod out of the building......I mean they punched each other back and forth through several buildings.......it was just an odd scene altogether.

There is no way Superman could have stopped Zod besides killing him. There was no Krpytonite to use to erase his powers, no magic room to use, no red solar ray generator to put Zod under. Zod had all the powers of Clark and was going to do all he could to destroy humanity. Zod says outright that if Krypton couldn't survive then neither will humanity.

Clark tried to stop him without killing him outright and it lead to the destruction of buildings, probably the death of thousands of people in each building that was destroyed. Zod was not going to stop. He was not going to be talked out of it. He was planning to kill every human being on Earth before hand, there was nothing Clark could say or do to stop him besides ending his life. As Zod says and knows.

What else could Clark do? Cripple him, then lobotomize him, and continue to do it as he body heals until Zod grows old and dies naturally? Would that ending have made people feel better?

Killing Zod was a correct decision in the way the movie was written. And it's not like Clark acted like Dirty Harry as he did it. He was traumatized by it, exactly as an officer of the law would be if he had to kill a sniper who was picking off civilians.

[Rival X The Great]

They could of just had the fight while he was trying destroy that projector and then Zod could of teleported to Phantom Zone. That would of been a better ending.

[PHOENIXZERO]

The smashing two phantom drives thing reminds me of how on TV characters get knocked in the head resulting in amnesia with the only cure being another knock on the head.

I wanted to vote 7.5 but no such option so I rounded up to 8. I've seen it 4 times already. Not in the mood for a full blown review yet.

As a Superman origin story (the movie feels like a 6 part mini series unfolding on the big screen and no that's not a compliment) I give it 8.5. In comparison to the rest of the genre an 8. Objectively as a film a 7 maybe 6.5.

The editing after the Krypton part and until they go to Black Zero is horrendous in places and the script is garbage for the most part. Goyer needs to go (he also needs a good kick in the "jewels"). And those are the biggest issues for me. But the good outweighs the bad and It's my favorite Superman movie (and Cavill most definitely my favorite Supes) even though it's kind of disappointing. However, as much as it paints me to admit it, it's not the best Superman movie. Maybe the sequel. Gets better on repeat viewings though, for me anyway. I'll comment on other issues in due time as well as provide a review.

For now though, I'm glad the movie is making good $$$. Bring on the fast tracked sequel in 2015!

Goyer is incredibly hit or miss with little in between and a lot more misses than hits, he can come up with some decent ideas but needs help fleshing things out a lot of the time I really think this movie could have benefited from a co-writer who was well versed in Superman's mythology or simply a better writer.

But hey, at least Jon Peters finally got his polar bear! I wonder if the tentacle thing was his idea...

[maasaloo]

^^
John Peters got his polar bear and his giant spider.

[dru-zod2501]

Over and over again, I'm reading people say Superman should never have been put in this situation in the first place, that it was a poor choice by the writers, and while I get it, I also don't think it does anyone a favor to pretend these situations never happen in life or in fiction. This isn't the cartoons where the writers are required to leave an out for the hero, this is the "real world". Things got ugly this time; Clark will never forget this lesson, he will learn from it and grow, refine his methods and understand how not to get trapped in this kind of situation again. It's too early to start throwing this Superman under the bus he can get better; he WILL get better

[Backward Galaxy]

Over and over again, I'm reading people say Superman should never have been put in this situation in the first place, that it was a poor choice by the writers, and while I get it, I also don't think it does anyone a favor to pretend these situations never happen in life or in fiction. This isn't the cartoons where the writers are required to leave an out for the hero, this is the "real world". Things got ugly this time; Clark will never forget this lesson, he will learn from it and grow, refine his methods and understand how not to get trapped in this kind of situation again. It's too early to start throwing this Superman under the bus he can get better; he WILL get better

That's only part of the point, though. It's not that he shouldn't have been put in the position at all ever.

1: Within the context of the film, it doesn't work because we don't see Superman struggling to save civilians as Zod tries killing people and buildings are collapsing. It should be over and over. Not one family. And we shouldn't be wondering why he doesn't just throw Zod out of the way.

2: This is an origin film, a way to re-introduce the character to brand new audiences and THAT'S how they do it? You can't get through one movie without him killing someone? And not just killing them... violently snapping their neck with his bare hands.

3: You can't have Superman do that and then end your film on a high note, pretending like it never happened. That kind of moment, especially for Superman, requires deconstruction. Not in a sequel. But right now.

4: Thematically speaking, we're told over and over that Superman, unlike other Kryptonians, will get to live a life where he gets to CHOOSE the kind of man he wants to be. That's what the whole movie is about and then they put him in a situation where he HAS NO CHOICE but to kill.

All of these reasons together are why that NEVER should have happened, didn't make sense, and didn't work.

[Dr_Who]

She's gone to the arctic to, I don't even know, study some spaceship she found out the military knows about but can't get to. Oh, and Clark is there. I'm not sure how HE knows it's there. Maybe it "called to him" at some point and I missed that.

He overheard the soldiers talking about it at the bar.

[victorsage]

They could of just had the fight while he was trying destroy that projector and then Zod could of teleported to Phantom Zone. That would of been a better ending.

There wasn't a Phantom Zone projector. The Phantom Zone only happened because the two ships clashed and were using alternate types of the same energy. A kind of positive and negative mass colliding.

[Ginx]

Thought it was really good. Missed the superman theme music though.

[Rival X The Great]

There wasn't a Phantom Zone projector. The Phantom Zone only happened because the two ships clashed and were using alternate types of the same energy. A kind of positive and negative mass colliding.

Wow that's pretty whack. Not sound like negative nancy. But wow.

[Theshadow129x]

I have something to say about the whole "he shouldn't have been put in that position." I've read numerous Superman stories in which killing was the solution that was presented to Superman in which people would tell him he had to kill. It was then that he would find a way around the situation to not kill those people as he would find a better way. This movie didn't have that happen at all. obviously the movie could have ended with Clark and Zod fighting it out around the world machine before the phantom drive was inserted to send him back into the zone. im not sure why they had to separate the action the way they had. I hated the whole fighting that world machine in the indian ocean it felt like it was literally trying go for more destruction porn more than anything. but i really felt like it was lazy on Goyer's or Snyder's end to allow the final battle to be what it was. he didn't have to kill Zod. it really felt like it was inserted to say to people "see, he can be hardcore too!" i do get that he ultimately had to do it, but it felt like it came at a moment where someone made a last minute judgement that they had to have more action happen before the wrap up.

[curiosity]

Man, I don't know, man. I mean on the one hand it was SO DARN GOOD, I can't even stand it! On the other, Superman snapped somebody's neck. I mean, crap. Really?

Like, I get that the stakes were high and it was supposed to be a last resort and Clark hated that he "had" to do it... or whatever... but, I mean imagine you have like an eight-year-old kid and you can't wait to take him or her to their first Superman movie and you're so excited only to find out that your eight-year-old's first Superman experience was watching him snap somebody's neck.

Its weird. The movie did a really good job of making me care about Clark and making believe the how and why of becoming a superhero, and it even did an okay job of making his decision to kill Zod a forgivable and understandable one, but I expect more from Superman. Or maybe my Superman is a thing of the past now, and I shouldn't be expecting more from Superman anymore. I don't know.

Superman killed three Kryptonians including Zod in Superman II. Not sure why a Superman fan would claim that he is "now" killing Zod. If you're a Superman fan you should know this. Sorry, don't mean to bash you, but this doesn't make sense.

[curiosity]

Awesome movie! I can't wait to see it again!

I have to agree. It was unbelievable for Superman fans. I think a lot of the story was put into explaining what happened on Krypton, and I loved seeing that, also, flashing back to Clark's childhood, and then an alien invasion. The next film will most definitely focus the story half on Clark/ Superman / Lois and also action. I think where some people are saying no story, that's really because the story was there, leading up to Superman's story.

[Rival X The Great]

Superman killed three Kryptonians including Zod in Superman II. Not sure why a Superman fan would claim that he is "now" killing Zod. If you're a Superman fan you should know this. Sorry, don't mean to bash you, but this doesn't make sense.

We don't know if Zod is dead. They just fell down a suppose nothing down there in the Fortress. What if it's trap room down there or something. Man of Steel he flat out snapped his neck. I'm Superman fan I didn't like it. Doesn't make me less of a fan. The movie was bad for me not just cause of Zod thing. It's just the script that I hate. Everything else was fine.