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  • #31
    Cool theory

    Although all TPTB really need MRLex to do is say "Yeah. That was a mandroid you blew up in the truck. I've been here all along." (LMAO at the Supernatural joke btw ) I think the fans would accept that without too much of a deep explanation. JMO

    There's just part of me that wants the final Lex Luthor to be the one that's been here since season 1. The REAL one...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by VilleFan
      Cool theory

      Although all TPTB really need MRLex to do is say "Yeah. That was a mandroid you blew up in the truck. I've been here all along." (LMAO at the Supernatural joke btw ) I think the fans would accept that without too much of a deep explanation. JMO

      There's just part of me that wants the final Lex Luthor to be the one that's been here since season 1. The REAL one...
      I'm very optimistic with MR's return that he will be the real Lex.

      And I love that joke because Chris Gauthier, who plays the Toyman & that IT specialist in Delete, also played Ronald Resnick in Supernatural as you probably know & referred to the shapeshifter in that episode as a mandroid. And in Echo, there was a madroid of him, LOL!! Toymandroid!!

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      • #33
        ^LMAO! "Toymandroid."

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        • #34
          A cool theory. But it would be difficult to explain on the show. And you would think that the mandroid would leave behind some trace that indicate that it was an android and not a living being that perished in that explosion.

          A favor the idea that it was a clone that died in that truck. It is the same idea, but a lot easier to explain. Especially since we already know that Lex has been cloning himself.

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          • #35
            Excellent theory, xray, as always! I think the writers will probably explain it in a more simple way, i.e. Lex saying, "I never died; that was a clone. Did you really think you could ever kill the REAL Lex Luthor?" That would explain it enough without confusing viewers who haven't watched as consistently as we have since season 8. But I'd LOVE if they actually DID go your route and show the full detail of his evil scheme. Would definitely show what a mastermind he is. "The greatest criminal mind of our time!"

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            • #36
              Everything that happen Lex realted in seasons 8-10 just doesnt fit with the Lex we watched in seasons 1-7. The best way to go about it is to say season 8 Lex was a clone, Lex never resurfaced from Arctic, until the finale. Explain that the clones are not perfect and are dying that is why their action are different.

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              • #37
                Yup, it's looking increasingly likely that the Lex that was in the truck explosion wasn't the real Lex, allowing DNA evidence of his death to be splattered all over the street (similar to Lana in Phantom).

                Originally posted by xrayvision
                I wanted to bump this theory up since the story of Lex's return is being done now & this is an explanation of what we saw in season 8.
                Seems an excellent call on your part back in November, man.
                Last edited by skully; 02-14-2011, 12:48 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                • #38
                  An android wouldn't hold up to autopsy. It was a clone. The clone was paralyzed and left alone in the truck with no protection, while Lex controlled events from somewhere else. The entire point wasn't to permanently split Clark and Lana, but rather to push Clark far enough to break his code of ethics and become a murderer. The added bonus for Lex was that with Clark and Oliver believing him dead, they would stop tracking him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by chumchees
                    Everything that happen Lex realted in seasons 8-10 just doesnt fit with the Lex we watched in seasons 1-7. The best way to go about it is to say season 8 Lex was a clone, Lex never resurfaced from Arctic, until the finale. Explain that the clones are not perfect and are dying that is why their action are different.
                    Oh I'm hoping Lex resurfaced once since Arctic---in Echo when Oliver saw his reflection briefly. I'm hoping that he's been using the invisibility technology his own scientists developed when they powered up Wes Keenan on himself to make himself be able to walk around undetected & cloak/decloak at will. That would mean that the moment we saw him in Echo was the actual Lex briefly decloaking just to taunt Oliver some more & get him to attempt suicide again. The Lex in Echo flinched when the drink was thrown at the glass door. If he was merely Oliver's imagination, he wouldn't have flinched like that.

                    ----- Added 54 Seconds later -----

                    Originally posted by skully
                    Yup, it's looking increasingly likely that the Lex that was in the truck explosion wasn't the real Lex, allowing DNA evidence of his death to be splattered all over the street (similar to Lana in Phantom).


                    Seems an excellent call on your part back in November, man.
                    Thanks.

                    ----- Added 8 Minutes later -----

                    Originally posted by N-ZERO
                    An android wouldn't hold up to autopsy. It was a clone. The clone was paralyzed and left alone in the truck with no protection, while Lex controlled events from somewhere else. The entire point wasn't to permanently split Clark and Lana, but rather to push Clark far enough to break his code of ethics and become a murderer. The added bonus for Lex was that with Clark and Oliver believing him dead, they would stop tracking him.
                    A cyborg would obviously have living tissue covering it like skin, otherwise the Toyman cyborg in Echo would have been easily detectable. So if the non-living parts of a Lex cyborg would have melted (and could have been mistaken as parts of the truck he was in) and pieces of cloned skin with Lex's DNA were found, then the theory holds up.

                    Like I said, I'm 50-50 about whether it was a full-on clone or if it was a cyborg with cloned parts (like skin) since I have theories for each possibility. A cyborg would mean that Oliver didn't kill anyone living. It could also mean that there was a Lex-Toyman collaboration, which would explain the Toyman cyborg in Echo having actual skin, which Toyman would need from a cloning operation that Lex Luthor had at Cadmus Labs.

                    A clone also makes sense since the clone would have known he was dying and may not have valued his own life just like the older clone in Lazarus didn't. So I'm torn apart between these 2 possibilities.
                    Last edited by xrayvision; 02-15-2011, 01:12 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                    • #40
                      I think this theory should be combined with the clone theory into a new explanation that Lex & the Toyman collaborated to create a Lex cyborg using the body of one of the Lex clones at Cadmus Labs.

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                      • #41
                        Now that it's all over, based on what happened over seasons 8-10 I'm pretty sure the Lex in Requiem was a prototype cyborg Toyman made from a Lex clone whose organs were already transplanted to the real Lex (so Lex had no more use for the rest of his body), which is why he had all those things hooked up to his mouth & body (because the cyborg was in an unfinished & unperfected state).

                        Then come Echo, the Toyman had perfected his method of constructing cyborgs & built one of himself. Toyman definitely used some sort of clone of himself to make that cyborg of himself since it had living skin, hair & his exact voice & the clone simply housed the machine parts & bomb (which such a prototype Lex cyborg in Requiem could have also had) inside while looking exactly like the Toyman himself. And there's only one place where Toyman could have gotten a clone of himself made & that was Cadmus, which Lex would have done for the Toyman after he successfully did his job in Requiem by:

                        1. Splitting up Clark & Lana

                        2. Driving a wedge between Clark & Oliver

                        3. Screwing up Oliver's mind

                        4. Making the world think Lex Luthor was dead so nobody would interrupt the many transplant surgeries needed to heal Lex

                        This to me sounds the most probable of scenarios based on the post-Arctic history of the series and the ties Lex had with Toyman in seasons 8 & 9.

                        I'm also pretty sure the drug that gave Duncan the ability to create an astral projection of himself in Reunion was given to Lex in Echo, which accounted for the image of Lex that Oliver saw in that episode when he threw his drink at the glass door to which the image of Lex flinched (something that wouldn't have happened had that Lex just been a figment of Oliver's imagination).

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                        • #42
                          Hi All,

                          I think it likely that the Lex in this episode wasn't the real Lex. I am indecisive if he was a mandroid or a clone but if he was a clone it would at least explain this strange illness he appeared to have.

                          Let's say he was not the real Lex - the questions remain what happend to the real Lex and who was behind the scheme in this episode. My idea is that it wasn't the real Lex. For - to me - it makes no sense for him to blow up his loyal people at Luthorcorp. In fact it makes no sense for him to not take Luthorcorp back as soon as coming back from the Arctic. Also, in season one to seven Lex never tried to get inbetween Clark and Lana, quite the contrary: he even let Lana return to Clark at the beginning of season seven. And, he told Clark that he didn't believe in the Comic hero idea (Warrior Angel) that a Superhero HAD to be lonesome.

                          So who might it have been? My speculation is: Lana. I hope you won't kill me now but as far as I see she is the only one we know that had the resources, the reasons, and the darkness for a scheme like that. Lana, being a Luthor, had access to Luthorcorp's projects, especially the clone project - she used it herself after all at the end of season 6. She had the money and, being Mrs Luthor, the authority. She also had the reasons: she didn't really want to become Mrs Kent after being Mrs Luthor and I think she became aware that she wasn't in love with Clark at all after the Bizarro affair. And she certainly didn't want to be murdered like the beloved one of Warrior Angel. She might even believe herself that she held Clark back from becoming who he was supposed to be. She didn't want to return to Clark when she met Olli, but couldn't really tell him why. I suspect it was because she knew that once Clark saw her again she didn't have much choice but staying with him again if she didn't want to anger him and loose his protection (as before somewhere in the first seasons when it was her who told him she wanted them to break up). So Lana had a lot of reasons for such a scheme. But she wouldn't have wanted Clark to know it was her. As to the darkness I think Jimmy had an intuition here in episode "Noir". We know that Lana is able to torture and to kill if it suits her. And very vengefull.

                          So I think when she understood that Lex didn't take Luthorcorp back she tried to do it herself but failed as Lex had put Tess in command. She activated a Lex clone, tried to ally herself with Tess and killed all those who stood in Tess' and her own way (probably thinking that they were evil anyway). I doubt that she really wanted the Toyman to blow up the Daily Planet but after all it was mainly her own decision to save the innocent people there by her sacrifice of absorbing the kryptonite. This way she was free of Clark, while he still thought well of her, and had her own skin protection and powers. Lana won a lot in this episode.

                          What do you think? Could it have been Lana?

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                          • #43
                            It was Lex. End of story.

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                            • #44
                              I still question if that was the real Lex who got blown up in Requiem or if that was a test run of one of his Cadmus Labs clones or a cyborg implanted with a bomb that Toyman created for Lex much like the cyborg Toyman with the bomb inside that we saw in the episode Echo. Here are some things to point out once again:

                              1. Toyman was involved in the events in both Requiem & Echo, so the Lex we say in Requiem could have easily been a prototype cyborg/robot with th bomb implanted that we later saw of the Toyman himself in Echo.

                              2. In Echo, Oliver saw a reflection of Lex in the glass door on the rooftop after Clark left. Lex did have cloaking technology that he used on Wes Keenan that he could have used on himself and a fake cyborg Lex blowing up in Requiem could have made the world think he was dead so he could spy on everyone and get all of Clark's & his friend's secrets without anyone knowing, suspecting him or even seeing him with cloaking technology to make himself invisible. Lex briefly showing himself in Echo would be his way of messing with Oliver's mind and making him try to actually kill himself.

                              3. Lex is too smart to have let himself get caught like that in a truck and the animosity the Lex in Requiem showed against Clark & Lana didn't match the way he wanted to help Lana even in Apocalypse after he killed Lionel or the way he still considered Clark a brother in Arctic when he felt bad about ding what he did in the Fortress of Solitude. When we next saw the confirmed real Lex in Finale, he once again lacked that animosity the Lex seen in Requiem had, and urged Clark to save the world because he could not be the villain he's destined to be & counter Clark's heroics with his darkness until Clark rises up first and saves the world from Darkseid.

                              4. Even after the FoS collapse in Arctic, Clark made a point to bring up how he survived the collapse without his powers and the same could have been true of Lex, especially since Clark had no injuries even without his powers.

                              5. If the real Lex had been injured by the FoS collapse with Tess being his protege and 2nd in command who he handpicked, he would certainly have wanted her to find him because he trusted her by handpicking her. But this did not happen. Instead there was a power struggle between Tess and Regan who in season 7 was Lex's personal assistant in finding the orb and planning the trip to the Arctic. It's obvious the real Lex did not want to be found and it's possible that maybe Regan and not Lex got the Toyman to create a fake cyborg Lex for him that would be Regan's puppet and so he could order the rest of Lex's staff to serve his (Regan's) own interests and plans. Either that, or the real Lex could have been testing Regan's & Tess' loyalty to him so he would know which of the 2 he should trust, if any.

                              6. Lex mentioned he didn't read the cliffnotes to the Veritas journals regarding Darkseid in the finale. Those journals were in Clark's possession, not Lex's, so this gives some credence to my idea that he could have been walking around using his own cloaking technology on himself to make him invisible like a ghost as he read Clark's secret documents and other things.

                              7. If I remember correctly, the only Cadmus clone that was missing any skin or tissue was the Alexander/Conner clone whose missing tissue was used to heal Tess from what happened to her in Salvation. The rest of them were destroyed by the fire set by the old clone Lex seen in Lazarus, so I don't think any clone tissue would have been used to restore the real Lex if what they wanted us to think (that he was blown up and put back together using clone parts from Cadmus) is true. I believe the chamber where the main Lex that the clones were supposed to be restoring was empty in Lazarus.

                              8. Lex could have easily confiscated, replicated and improved the death serum that Lance created in Void after he woke up from his near death experience and this would explain his appearance in the void between life & death in Lazarus.

                              I really wish they did go back to explain this because not only would it make Lex look extremely resourceful & badass, but it would be an amazing callback to all kinds of continuity throughout the years. And it's something the brilliant Lex from the comics would do.

                              I actually remembered point #6 just now and wanted to come back and update this theory because it really makes me wonder. This scenario would mean that Lex wanted the world to think he was dead after bringing down the Fortress. After all, he did kill his father and the clone of his brother Julian, so leaving & taking a vacation/long sabbatical would be beneficial and make the world forget about his crimes while he could spy on his enemies and return stronger than ever after learning all their secrets while walking around invisible. I mean after all when we last saw him in Arctic, he did finally learn Clark's secret and who Naman in the Kawatche cave legend was, so doing something like this would be a very smart move given who Lex's #1 enemy is and the preparation he would need for him as Clark probably knew Lex was Sageeth for a few years by then and had time to prepare for him.
                              Last edited by xrayvision; 08-08-2017, 04:46 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Oh yeah--one other thing I wanted to mention is how Lex had used cybernetic devices already on his own sister Tess when he had her eyes implanted with cameras we found out about in season 8 that he used to spy on others.

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