Curtis Knox = Vandal Savage?

[Odysseus]

From Wikipedia:

In the days of prehistory, 50,000 BC, Savage was a caveman named Vandar Adg, leader of the Blood Tribe. He was bathed in the radiation of a mysterious meteorite, which gave him incredible intellect and immortality. An observer from the Bear Tribe would later approach that same meteorite and become Savage's eternal nemesis, the Resurrection Man, possessing the power to resurrect as a new persona every time he is killed.

Savage's first mark in the "history" of the DC Universe came when he and a select group of people successfully undermined and destroyed the lost city of Atlantis. That group of people became known as the Illuminati, with Savage serving as its leader, then and ever since.

He claims to have ruled hundreds of civilizations under hundreds of names: Khafre, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar (though he has also claimed to have participated in the murder of Julius Caesar), Genghis Khan, Blackbeard, and Vlad the Impaler, to name a few. He has also worked as close friends and advisers to the likes of Erik the Red, Napoleon Bonaparte, Ra's al Ghul, Otto von Bismarck, and Adolf Hitler.




Vandal Savage was the first person I thought of when Dean Cain made that speech about Crusader's spears, etc. And plus, Dean Cain even LOOKS like Vandal Savage (minus the beard that Savage usually wears, but then again Vandal Savage's various personas have not always had beards).

My guess is AlMiles for some reason didn't get the rights to specifically say "Curtis Knox"'s real name, but the backstory is totally Vandal Savage.

[birdman]

Originally posted by Odysseus
From Wikipedia:
An observer from the Bear Tribe would later approach that same meteorite and become Savage's eternal nemesis, The Resurrection Man.

So who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? Both evil?

[Poweranimals]

Yeah, I think they totally set that up. Curtis Knox is said to have used thousands of names so I think it matches up. I just hope he returns in a future episode. Dean Cain seemed a little uncertain that'd he want to endure the long hours again.

[Drakaun]

I totally loved the quote from the episode after Chloe said he was a jack the ripper wannabe, and he said, I was jack the ripper, lol. He was very Vandal Savage in that line alone.

[Shardz]

i hope he reappears in the season later. his character is pretty cool if he does turn out to be vandal savage. i like how he is linked to important events in the history of the earth. a flash back episode would rock

[Super Maverick]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Savage#In_other_media

[Mischael12]

I think they tried to avoid pointing out he was Vandal Savage, by pointing out the aliases he possibly had like julius Caesar.

[jazzylg]

Only thing to do to an immortal: Banishment! Either on a far distant world, or he sent him to the phantom zone!

[jessestuber]

"what are you gonna chop me up like some jack the ripper wannabe"
(something like that was said)

"i was jack the ripper"

i liked that quote

[Timester]

Originally posted by Odysseus
My guess is AlMiles for some reason didn't get the rights to specifically say "Curtis Knox"'s real name, but the backstory is totally Vandal Savage.

"Curtis Knox" had another purpose. Curtis Knox = CK, what Jimmy used to call to Clark all the time in L&C.

[theWatcher]

Originally posted by SOnMyChest
Yes this was discussed many months ago....and it does fit for vandal savage. Even, the whole storyline of him living forever and facing the same problems as Clark, all the people around him that he loves will die eventually. This fits the storyline from Superman: The Animated series...somewhat.

I felt that this was some kind of twist on the Vandal Savage character as well. I wonder why they didn't use the name Vandal Savage?

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by BigSexySuperMan
Savage is seen in several episodes of the animated series Justice League, where he is voiced by Phil Morris

In Smallville, previous Superman actor Dean Cain is set to guest star as Dr Knox, a character very similar to Vandal Savage.

Wait, Savage was voiced by Phil Morris? The same Phil Morris who now plays Martian Manhunter on Smallville?!

Cooooooooooooool. You think Phil gave DC some tips?

[Kii]

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[Shardz]

lex is behind on the times. that treo is 2 years out of the market.

[jon-el87]

I seem to remember a FLash villain who's existed since the dawn of time. Could Curtis Knox be this particular bad guy?

Vandal Savage wasn't a Flash villan, but rather an enemy of the true Green Lantern (Alan Scott).

Golden age Villans--

Green Lantern;

VillainFirst appearanceDescriptionVandal SavageGreen Lantern #10 (Winter, 1943/44)Vandar Adg, an immortal Cro-Magnon altered by the rays of a fallen meteor. Vandal Savage has manipulated human history behind the scenes for centuries and has been an enemy of Alan Scott, the Justice Society, the Justice League, Secret Six, and many others.The GamblerGreen Lantern vol. 1, #12 (Summer, 1944)Steven Sharpe III, a gentleman thief, master of disguise, and expert knife-thrower who battled the Golden Age Green Lantern. Sharpe committed suicide after losing all his money to a corrupt casino. He was succeeded as the Gambler by his grandson, Steven Sharpe V.Solomon GrundyAll-American Comics #61 (October 1944)Formerly Cyrus Gold, a Gotham City merchant murdered and thrown into Slaughter Swamp, where he was transformed into an undead zombie-like creature. Grundy was initially an enemy of the Golden Age Green Lantern and the Justice Society, but has both battled and aided various heroes during his multiple resurrections.SportsmasterAll-American Comics #85 (May 1947)Lawrence "Crusher" Crock was a former professional athlete who turned to a life of crime using various sports-themed paraphernalia. An enemy of the Golden Age Green Lantern, Sportsmaster later retired and married fellow villain, the Tigress.HarlequinAll-American Comics #89 (September 1947)Molly Mayne, secretary of Golden Age Green Lantern Alan Scott, developed a crush on the hero and sought to gain his attention as a costumed criminal. She used hallucinatory goggles provided by the Manhunters, but she was more likely to help Alan and the Justice Society than oppose them. Eventually reforming, Molly later married Alan and the two remain together to this day.The IcicleAll-American Comics #90 (Oct. 1947)Dr. Joar Mahkent, a scientist who created a powerful "ice-gun" capable of freezing the moisture in the air, was a foe of the Golden Age Green Lantern. He was slain by Krona during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. His son Cameron Mahkent, born a cryokinetic after exposure to his father's weapon, has become the second Icicle.


The Flash;

VillainFirst appearanceDescriptionShadeFlash Comics #33 (September 1942)A villain who makes use of a special cane that enables him to cast complete darkness at will.RagdollFlash Comics #36 (December 1942)Peter Merkel was born "triple jointed" which enabled him to flex farther than any other human being. Has recently died, but has had two sons who are also Ragdolls, one is a villain and the other a member of the Secret Six.The EelComic Cavalcade #3 (Summer 1943)“Eel” Madden was a criminal who had a grease gun which made it almost impossible for anyone to catch him.ThinkerAll Flash #12 (Fall 1943)Clifford Devoe, a former DA, was a villain who used a specially designed "thinking cap" as an aid in conjuring up and performing various crimes. He later became friends with the Flash before dying from cancer; however, his Thinking Cap technology has become a computer program that made itself into a villain that battled Wally West.Golden Age TurtleAll Flash #21 (January–February 1946)A villain who used slowness related weapons against the Flash, was inactive for a long time, then reappeared and now has the power to take away speed from people.Rose and ThornFlash Comics #89 (November 1947)Rose Canton had a multiple personality disorder, the Thorn, who was a villain. She later committed suicide.
(She's also the former wife of Alan Scott and mother of his children, Todd Rice/Obisidian and Jennifer-Lynn Hayden/Jade.)
The FiddlerAll Flash Comics #32 (January 1948)Isaac Bowin was a villain who used a violin to perform crimes, usually by using the violin to hypnotize people. Recently, he joined the Secret Six, but when he failed a mission, he was killed by Deadshot on the orders of their leader, Mockingbird. After his death, a woman found his violin and is now using it, calling herself Virtuoso.Golden Age Star SapphireAll Flash #32 (January 1948)A queen of the 7th Dimension, she tried to take over the Earth twice but failed. She is now trapped in the Gem.The RivalFlash Comics #104 (February 1949)Dr. Edward Clariss, a professor at the university attended by the Golden Age Flash, Jay Garrick, believed he had recreated the formula that gave Garrick his speed, which he called "Velocity 9." However, this formula was only temporary, and he was defeated. He is now pure energy from the Speed Force.


Wonder Woman;

VillainFirst appearanceDescriptionDoctor PoisonSensation Comics #2 (February 1942)Princess Maru joined the Nazi forces in 1942 and became Doctor Poison, hiding her gender behind an oversized costume and mask. In an early adventure, she developed a toxin called "Reverso" which when administered would cause people to do the opposite of what they are told. Later, she joined Villainy Inc., and would do battle with Wonder Woman time and time again, using her skills for chemical warfare.Wonder Woman, vol. 2, #151 (December 1999)The current Doctor Poison has yet to be identified, but claims to be the granddaughter of the original. Having used herself as a subject for bio-chemical experiments, she's developed the ability to secrete various toxins and chemicals.Baroness Paula Von GuntherSensation Comics #4 {April, 1942}Wonder Woman's first recurring arch-nemesis, a ruthless Nazi spymaster, evil scientist, and femme fatale. After several battles, Wonder Woman discovered The Baroness was only working for the Nazis because they were holding her daughter hostage. In a daring raid, Wonder Woman rescued the child and returned her to Von Gunther, who gladly turned against her former masters and helped the Amazon Princess round up the Nazi spy ring. Taken to Transformation Island, the Amazon rehabilitation community, The now-reformed Baroness and her daughter Gerta joined the Amazons, using their scientific skills to benefit Paradise Island.AresWonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942)Ares is the son of the Greek god Zeus and god of war. His mere existence falls into conflict with Wonder Woman's peaceful way of living. Time and again he has tried to cause strife in the world but remains defeated by the Amazon princess. He was referred to by the Roman name Mars for most of the pre-Crisis period.Pepita ValdezWonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942)Compelled to act as a spy for the Axis because a Japanese general was holding her father in Mexico, Pepita seduced Etta Candy's brother Mint and used drugged cigarettes to force him to unwittingly reveal military secrets.Doctor Cue / Agent XSensation Comics #9 (September 1942)Japanese Col. Togo Ku, chief of Japanese spies in America, wore a full face mask as Dr. Cue, who kidnapped women (including Diana Prince White) for use in an underground "hospital" of horrors, and also disguised himself as the female "Agent X" in a scheme to obtain a disintegrating gas developed by Dan White, husband of the real Diana Prince.Duke of DeceptionWonder Woman #2 (Fall 1942)A servant of the evil god Mars, he embodied deceit, confusion, and treachery, using his godlike powers of illusion, shape-shifting, and influencing minds to further the cause of war. He sometimes worked with Mars' other flunkies, the Earl of Greed and Lord Conquest. One of Wonder Woman's most persistent foes, he plagued her throughout the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages.MavisWonder Woman #4 (April-May 1943)A slave of Baroness Paula Von Gunther, she seized control of Paula's Nazi spy operation after Von Gunther's reformation. Cunning, deadly, and determined to take revenge on both Paula and Wonder Woman, she stole the invisible plane and used it for aerial sabotage, kidnapped Paula's daughter Gerta, strapped Wonder Woman to a bomb, and later escaped Reformation Island.The Masked Menace'Sensation Comics #16 (April 1943)Axis agent Karl Schultz, using the alias Prince Hylo Goulash of Hungary, became Etta's fiance and worked with Japanese saboteurs and Italian agents disguised as Mexican ranch hands to commit sabotage in the Southwest, in particular to destroy the oil fields connected to the Bar-L Ranch owned by Etta Candy's father, Hard Candy.Princess YasminiSensation Comics #17 (June 1943)Royalty from India who operates a Nazi spy ring and broadcasts from a Cape Cod radio station and uses pet lions, Thuggee assassins, and poison in her evil schemes.Doctor PsychoWonder Woman #5 (June-July 1943)Ridiculed as a child for his small stature and strange appearance, Doctor Psycho grew up to be highly sexist and mysoginist. Formerly a brilliant student, he went mad and turned to crime after being framed for a crime by a rival who stole the only girl he ever loved. A Little person with telepathic and psychic powers, he was originally intended to be an archetypical Mad Scientist and spirit medium, but that image was dropped post-Crisis. He is one of Wonder Woman's most deadly foes.American AdolphSensation Comics #21 (September 1943)Inspired by the example of Adolph Hitler, the American Adolph penned a prison manifesto My War Against Society, in which he detailed his plot to organize a massive criminal network nation-within-the-nation. Master of disguise; superb athlete; cunning planner; charismatic leader.CheetahWonder Woman #6 (October 1943)The original Cheetah, Priscilla Rich, was a beautiful dancer and philanthropist who developed an odd sort of split personality when she felt overshadowed by Wonder Woman. Donning a costume made from a cut-up cheetah-skin rug, she vowed to destroy the Amazon princess.Wonder Woman #274 (December 1980)A second pre-Crisis Cheetah, Debbi Domaine, the niece of the original, appeared a number of times as well. An ecologist, she was kidnapped, brainwashed into a feral ecoterrorist, and trained in unarmed combat by Kobra. Post-Crisis, Debbi never became the Cheetah.Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #7 (August 1987) (as Barbara Minerva); #8 (as Cheetah)The current Cheetah, Barbara Minerva, is a former archeologist and treasure-hunter who sold her soul to the plant-god Urtzkartaga for power and immortality, not realizing she'd be bound in eternal servitude to him.Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #171 (August 2001)Minerva briefly lost her power to Argentine businessman Sebastian Ballesteros, who became Circe's consort and funded the transformation of Vanessa Kapetelis into the Silver Swan. It is thought he died in a fight including Barbara and Diana in Brazil. It is remained to be seen if this true or not.ZaraComic Cavalcade #5 (December 1943)Leader of the Cult of the Crimson Flame, Zara is a skilled pyrotechnics expert which she uses in her hatred for mankind. Zara was sold into slavery as a child and was witness to many horrors in her lifetime. After her cult was defeated by Wonder Woman she joined Villainy Inc. and sought revenge against not only Wonder Woman but her mother Queen Hippolyta also.Danny "the Demon"The Big All-American Comic Book #1 (1944)Murderous thug who killed Gen. Courtney, framed Steve Trevor for the crime, and then hid in a circus after killing Dipsy the Clown and assuming his identity.Queen CleaWonder Woman #8 (March 1944)A cruel,anorexic ruler of the Atlantean city of Venturia, where women were large and powerful and masculine and men were stunted, weak, and worked in the kitchen, Queen Clea often forced her subjects to battle in gladitorial combat for her amusement and overwhelming sexual drive. Wanting to take over all of Atlantis she eventually stole the Trident of Poseidon to make herself supremely powerful, and increasingly masculine. She was stopped by Wonder Woman and later joined Villainy Inc. as an attempt at revenge.GigantaWonder Woman #9 (June 1944)Giganta, another one of Wonder Woman's most notorious enemies, was originally a gorilla who was super-evolved by Professor Zool. Her modern day version is Doctor Doris Zuel, a medical doctor suffering from a fatal disease who hoped to transfer her life essence into Wonder Woman. When Wonder Girl foiled her attempt, her essence was placed into a gorilla. She then transferred her essence into Olga, a circus strong-woman who had the power to grow to gigantic size. She is now a continuing thorn in Wonder Woman's side.Anton UnrealSensation Comics #30 (June 1944)Anton Unreal led a cult that brainwashed rich young adults into handing over their funds to become Blue Spirit Masters of the 4th Dimension. Used a device to trap Steve Trevor's body in the 4th dimension, leaving him an insubstantial thought form in this dimension.EvilessWonder Woman #10 (Fall 1944)Hailing from planet Saturn, Eviless was a slave driver who tried to invade Earth with fellow Saturnian Duke Mephisto Saturno. She was captured with the rest of the invaders and sent to Transformation Island for rehabilitation. However, Eviless came back with a vengeance, freeing several foes of Wonder Woman and leading a prisoner revolt. She then formed the first incarnation of Villainy Inc., an all female group of Wonder Woman's super villains to snuff her out once and for all.Sontag HenyaSensation Comics #35 (November 1944)Leader of anarchist movement in Atlantean nation of Venturia, exploiting the history of mistreatment at the hands of Queen Clea and a subsequent rebellion against the kind-hearted Queen Octavia.HypnotaWonder Woman #11 (Winter 1944-1945)A stage magician who disguised herself as a man, Hypnota was accidentally shot in the head during a rehearsal for her stage show. Treating the gunshot wound with an experimental surgery saved her life, but also gave her the ability to use "Blue Electric Rays of Dominance" emanating from her "Mid-Brain". Using this new power for crime, she enslaved her sister, the weak-willed Serva, and used her as a pawn while selling hypnotized captives to the Saturn slave traders. She later became a member of Villainy Inc.King NeptuneComic Cavalcade #9 (Winter 1944)Another female villain who disguised herself as a man, King Neptune was really Leona Masters, Olympic swimmer known in the press as "Mermaid Queen" until forced off the team for breaking training rules. Using the drug Nepenthe for brainwashing and memory wiping, a trident that sends out electric flashes, a submarine, and a squadron of "mermaids," she operated a piracy operation from her undersea cave in the Equator.Draska NishkiSensation Comics #42 (April 1945)Crafty spy-for-hire and extortionist who also attempted to escape trial by binding Wonder Woman in her own magic lasso. Appeared in both Golden and Silver Age.The Great Blue FatherComic Cavalcade #10 (Spring 1945)Biologist Dr. Protus Plasm disguises himself as the Great Blue Father, leader of a cult "family" using his "moron hormone," a chemical that makes people childlike.Third World War PromotersWonder Woman #12 (Spring 1945)Network of munitions manufacturers and industrialists across the world who operated from a headquarters in a secret sub-basement in the building next to military intelligence HQ. Planted spy Nerva as Steve Trevor's secretary. Crafty Velma Boswell, wife and business partner of Bird Boswell, escaped the Promoters' imprisonment on Venus and rounded up other members of the network for an attempted takeover of Venus. (Full-length tale scripted by Joyce Murchison.)Gentleman KillerWonder Woman #14 (Fall 1945)Rudolph Hessenpfeffer, the Gentleman Killer, was a debonair, charming, and ruthless killer and spy.Minister BlizzardWonder Woman #29Prime Minister to the hidden kingdom of Iceberg Land, inhabited by cold-loving "snow people" and ruled by the kind-hearted Princess Snowina Minister Blizzard used various devices to freeze both items and people and plotted to seize control of the kingdom and take over the world.The Bughuman PlagueSensation Comics #55 (July 1946)A microbial society that almost conquered the globe after being enlarged by a reckless experiment conducted by Gerta Von Gunther.Blue SnowmanSensation Comics #59 (September 1946)Byrna Brilyant, a small town school-teacher and scientist who disguised herself as a man, used a telescopic snow ray to create and reverse blizzards.Queen AtomiaWonder Woman #21 (January/February 1947)Queen of a subatomic universe who attempted to take over the world.SharkeetaComic Cavalcade #21 (June/July 1947)Sharkeeta was the leader of a pack of sharks that became humanoid-shark "flying mermaid" hybrids after unauthorized experiments by Paula Von Gunther's daughter Gerta. Sharkeeta seized Queen Hippolyta's magic girdle and was only defeated when Gerta provided the missing human element.The MaskWonder Woman #24 (July/August 1947)Nina Close, frail and oppressed wife of a billionaire industrialist, developed a split personality patterned after bold explorer Fancy Framer and went on an insane rampage to extort millions from her husband and the U.S. government. Stole Wonder Woman's invisible plane. Trapped people in S/M-style masks that would release poisonous hydro-cyano gas if removed improperly.The Purple PriestessWonder Woman #25 (September/October 1947)Sinestra, former Axis agent, was a cult leader from Zarikan who used a purple gas to brainwash her acolytes into unthinking devotion. Her cult was responsible for a series of murders before Wonder Woman drove them away.IronsidesComic Cavalcade #23 (October/November 1947)Brother of Doctor Psycho; a brilliant geologist who used stilts and armor to frighten natives of Wooloo Island into believing iron giants threatened them.Tigra Tropica
Wonder Woman #26 (November/December 1947)Glamourous wild animal trainer and extortionist; used pack of highly trained tigers; could press nerves behind the ears to induce hypnotic, highly-suggestible states.BadraComic Cavalcade #25 (February/March 1948)Refugee from the ruined planet of Hator, Badra was a superpowerful thief who could fly faster than light.LyaComic Cavalcade #26 (April/May 1948)Daughter of the Duke of Deception, who double-crossed her own father and was a master of lies.Anti-ElectricComic Cavalcade #27 (June/July 1948)Invents "deactivating electronic generator" which cancels out electric current on nation-wide scale.FuriosaSensation Comics #78 (June 1948)Mistress of masquerade, disguises herself as Steve Trevor in order to lure Wonder Woman into a trap.Mona MeniseWonder Woman #30 (1948)Obsessed with childhood friend Steve Trevor, the murderous wild child daughter of a general; already evil-minded, she gained the power to enslave men with her song when she donned an armband carved from a tree that the siren Parthenope had been transformed into by Aphrodite.TrixterWonder Woman #31 (Sept.-Oct. 1948)Leader of criminal racket who claims to be a wizard from the year 1313 and performs feats of "magic" by using mass hypnosis and advanced science to fool the public.FrenziSensation Comics #82 (October 1948)Leads fascistic Greenshirt movement.CirceWonder Woman #37 ("The Secrets of Circe" Sept/Oct 1949)Circe is based on the Greek mythological character of the same name. A witch and sorceress of vast power, specializing in illusion and transformation spells, Circe was originally a minor villain but post-Crisis has become one of Wonder Woman's most formidable foes.NuclearWonder Woman #43 (September/October 1950)A dissolute heir who had his name changed legally to match his gossip column moniker "Percy Playboy," Nuclear created machinery in an underground lair that empowered him to seize Navy ships magnetically. His first published appearance referred to a previously unpublished adventure, which was later told in All-Star Squadron #16.

Superman;

Villain First appearance Description Ultra-HumaniteAction Comics #13 (July 1939)The Ultra-Humanite is the first supervillain faced by Superman. He was designed to be the polar opposite of the man of steel: while Superman is a hero with superhuman strength, Ultra-Humanite is a criminal mastermind who has a crippled body but a highly advanced intellect. Siegel and Shuster replaced the Ultra-Humanite as Superman's archfoe when Lex Luthor was introduced into the Superman comic. When Luthor replaced Ultra-Humanite as chief nemesis, he was retired for several decades only to return with the Earth II Superman and the Justice Society of America the targets of his machinations.Lex LuthorAction Comics #23 (May 1940)Superman's arch nemesis and the consummate evil genius. He continues to play different roles in various Superman comics and media. In his classic Silver Age incarnation, Lex Luthor and Superman were once friends, but a lab accident indirectly caused by Superman (then Superboy) caused Lex's hair completely to fall out. This event causes Luthor to snap and become a dangerous criminal who plots the destruction of Superman. In the modern era, Luthor was re-envisioned as a wealthy corporate scientist who hides his sociopathic tendencies behind a mask of philanthropy. Although beloved by the people of Metropolis for his many public works, Superman knows the truth. In the mainstream comic series, Luthor eventually manipulates his way to the U.S. Presidency, but is forcibly unseated from office by the Justice League.
PranksterAction Comics #51 (August 1942)Oswald Loomis, The Prankster's particular gimmick was the use of various practical jokes and gags in committing his crimes. This, coupled with his cartoonish appearance, caused many to write him off as a "joke villain", until the early 2000s, when writers improved upon the character by giving him a more svelte appearance, as well as high tech weaponry that made him a more serious threat.ToymanAction Comics #64 (September 1943)The Toyman (Winslow Schott) uses toy-based or toy-themed devices and gimmicks in his various crimes. The Toyman's weapons, while sometimes comical, are also very dangerous.Mister MxyzptlkSuperman #30 (September 1944)An imp from the fifth dimension, Mxyzptlk possesses nigh-limitless reality-bending powers, which he often uses to pose challenges to Superman for his own amusement.