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  • #46
    Originally posted by bucketofwater
    They don't write holes in shows this well written. It all makes perfect sense.

    1. Sylar kills Claire
    2. Future Hiro stabs Sylar
    3. Sylar Regenerates
    4. Future Hiro goes back in time to tell Peter to save Claire
    5. Claire is saved
    6. Present Hiro transports 5 years into the future.
    7. Nobody stabs Sylar
    8. Events of String Theory/5 years gone transpire as we watched.

    That is why Future Hiro is so surprised/pissed when he sees present Hiro. The fact that Peter is the 1 who explodes is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Ginx has it right.

    though...al of this is very confusing...tremendously....!! but yeah...you got it right...!!! It is a very well written show..and the directors and writers put in a lot of thinking and accuracy in the story lines....and they dont have any loop holes...!!!!

    I hope Al Miles would have such shows....!!! darn them...but anyways....

    In Heroes, this was all supposed to happen...but nowww..it wont..Now...they would save the world....its unpredictable...!!!

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    • #47
      Probably already mentioned but I'm not reading this whole thread. Here's what happened:

      Peter confesses that HE was actually the one that exploded. He got the bomb power from being around Ted, he got the regenerative power from being around Claire. (This next part is theoretical, not fact.) Hiro actually stabbed Peter when the bomb exploded, I'm guessing he had gotten the shapeshifting power at some point and looked like Sylar, probably from not being able to control it.

      Claire was alive and Sylar never got her power. Peter blew up and regenerated and Nathan covered it up (or Sylar, not sure when Nathan died/whatever happened to him and Sylar took over.)

      This isn't a hole in the writing, it's some fans missing what actually happened in the episode. Sylar never blew up, Peter did, just like we've been led to believe since the episode where he passed out and had that dream. Everything that wasn't explained can easily be filled in so it is not a plothole it is room for theorizing.
      Last edited by MidgardDragon; 05-01-2007, 10:13 AM.

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      • #48
        It is clear that Peter is the one that blows up because he said it, but I still don't see how stopping Sylar prevents Peter from Blowing up.

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        • #49
          Peter's Scar

          I think Peter has the scar in the future because Claire dies. I think some others have it right, Peter only has his powers as long as the person is alive.

          She must have died and he must have gotten attacked by another bad hero and wasn't able to regenerate.

          He could gain the healing again once he got around Sylar, but by then the scar was already forming and you can't heal old wounds.

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          • #50
            Re: Peter's Scar

            Originally posted by kemosabe
            I think Peter has the scar in the future because Claire dies. I think some others have it right, Peter only has his powers as long as the person is alive.

            She must have died and he must have gotten attacked by another bad hero and wasn't able to regenerate.

            He could gain the healing again once he got around Sylar, but by then the scar was already forming and you can't heal old wounds.

            No she was alive, it was more like they never meet. Maybe they will show how he gets the scar in the novels.

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            • #51
              Re: Re: Peter's Scar

              Originally posted by chrisxs5
              No she was alive, it was more like they never meet. Maybe they will show how he gets the scar in the novels.
              They had to have met otherwise she wouldn't have been alive. Also, Claire seemed very steaming mad at Nathan and Claire looked at a pic of Nathon/Peter in Nathon's office all mysty eyed. Like maybe after he sends her off to Paris with Ma Petrelli he lies and never wants her to come home again. But eventually when the crap starts to hit the fan about peeps with abilities then Mr. Bennet must track her down so that he can keep her safe.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by shipgrad2002
                It is clear that Peter is the one that blows up because he said it, but I still don't see how stopping Sylar prevents Peter from Blowing up.
                Stopping Sylar doesn't prevent Peter from blowing up. Future Hiro + Present Hiro are both operating on incorrect information. Unless Hiro manages to stop Peter and/or Ted in the process of trying to get to Sylar then the bomb will still happen. That was one of the main points of the episode, that everyone has the wrong idea about Sylar blowing up, as it's really Peter that does.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by MidgardDragon
                  Stopping Sylar doesn't prevent Peter from blowing up. Future Hiro + Present Hiro are both operating on incorrect information. Unless Hiro manages to stop Peter and/or Ted in the process of trying to get to Sylar then the bomb will still happen. That was one of the main points of the episode, that everyone has the wrong idea about Sylar blowing up, as it's really Peter that does.
                  Exactly.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Re: Re: Peter's Scar

                    Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
                    They had to have met otherwise she wouldn't have been alive. Also, Claire seemed very steaming mad at Nathan and Claire looked at a pic of Nathon/Peter in Nathon's office all mysty eyed. Like maybe after he sends her off to Paris with Ma Petrelli he lies and never wants her to come home again. But eventually when the crap starts to hit the fan about peeps with abilities then Mr. Bennet must track her down so that he can keep her safe.
                    OK, good point. That does make sense, becuase when Hiro went to the future we would have to assume that everything we have seen has happened.

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                    • #55
                      ok, i've read this entire thread and I think there are some points being missed. I'll try to walk through them.

                      #1: According to the writers and future Hiro. From the time future Hiro froze time and talked to Peter in the train until the moment him and past hero met up in the loft, nothing happened in between those two moments in future Hiro's life. As far as he is concerned, he goes back to the train, talks to Peter and returns to the future in the exact moment we see him meet past Hiro. Therefore, when future Hiro returns to his future, he expects New York to not be blown up. But he is under the impression that Sylar is the bomb and Sylar has Claire's powers. But his may all be incorrect because of the shapeshifter power.

                      2. We don't know when Peter or Sylar run into Candace (shapeshifter) and get her power. So Peter could be anyone and Sylar could be anyone. With the information we have right now, we can't tell who is who.

                      the most important thing to remember is the shapeshifter power. We don't know who is who.

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                      • #56
                        You guys are awesome. You really go deep inside the writers minds.

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                        • #57
                          There is one explanation that everyone missed. There is only one timeline and time is tougher than we actually think. It's not the first time I saw this theory happening. Let me explain it:

                          There is only one timeline. The normal idea is when we change one event, the butterfly effect of it change everything else. But there is one less talked idea. The timeline is tougher, resistant to changes. When a paradox occurs (like Claire being alive), what the timeline does? It adapts the paradox to the timeline, without changing the timeline.

                          Remember what Mirai Hiro said? He stabbed Sylar and Sylar regenerated, meaning that Sylar killed Claire (and he did, the comics show it). What happened was a pure fusion of the two possible futures (Peter exploded NY in both), with both Sylar and Claire. Now a 3rd future will be built, without Peter exploding.

                          BUT this will not change the future, most likely the metahumans will be presecuted again.

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                          • #58
                            you see in trailer for next episode that hiro is next to sylar with his sword, he wotn end up doing it and thats how sylar is still alive.

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                            • #59
                              Well, All we have to do is listen carefully what the characters are talking about.


                              1) The Future Hiro went past at least 2 times.

                              ((Hiro probably went back in time many times but they only mentioned the 2 of them))



                              2) When he went back for the first time,

                              he stabbed Sylar with his sword before the explosion. But Sylar regenerated himself.

                              ((In fact Sylar has nothing to do with the explosion,

                              because Peter is the one who exploded which Hiro doesn't know just like the public,

                              because of the falsified information given from USA President Nathan.

                              And then furious Sylar comes for revenge and kills Nathan, gets his ability,

                              and most importantly takes his place -> The Presidency

                              Right after Sylar becomes the President, to satisfy his hunger for different powers,

                              he starts the man hunt for people with abilities,

                              while he announces the special people as terrorists to mask his intention...

                              This is what happened in the first place))



                              THEN Hiro probably return to the future and see that nothing has changed.

                              Stabbing Sylar fails what he wishes. So Hiro must have thought that,

                              "as long as Sylar gets Claire's ability, there is no meaning of attempting to kill sylar"

                              With this concluison, Hiro went past for the second time.

                              This time he appeared in the train which Mohinder and Peter was in...



                              We know the rest.

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