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  • #46
    Re: Should Clark have apologized to Lex?

    Originally posted by KryptonX81
    Now im personally in the group that feels that Lex isnt evil yet, so I may be a bit bias, but I think Clark's actions last night were way out of line.

    He comes to Lex's mansion and accuses him of the mass murder of migrant workers, with apsolutly no evidence.

    Sure Lex technicly owned the farm, but that has nothing to do with the actions that take place there. Now I dont know that much about farming, but from what I have heard it isnt uncommon for someone to sell a struggling farm to a bigger company, and set up an agreement where they still stay on the land and farm it, but the company collects some of the profits.

    Clark didnt have any info or facts connecting the murders to Lex, and he made very severe accusations that turned out to be wrong. So shouldnt he apologize?
    In one word, "NOOOO"!!!

    Lex is responsible, he knew what that guy was and exploited it. He probably even had the workers brought to him to help him run the farm. Just because Lex didn't know about the murders, Lex knew McNally was running the farm, had people under his control, had abilities that made him dangerous.

    And if you don't consider Lex to be evil when he kidnaps, tortures, and shot several people (not always in self-defense), manipulates and uses blatant lies, then you have a strange idea of evil.

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    • #47
      Clark needs to apologize for not ... signing ... in ... at the gatehouse like all the other uninvited guests.

      Lex had to remind him -- again -- that he's not welcome.

      Knock 'before' entering, Clark.

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      • #48
        "And I think its absolutely clear that Lex was involved in the murder of the doctor that freed Victor."

        BadToad, I agree with all your points about Lex using Victor and illegally torturing AC, but as for this one, I'm not totally sure Lex had anything to do with it. The murder of that doctor could've been by Creeg (the guy who was conducting the experiments on Victor). Lex could've found out about Creeg after Clark waved the red flag (like he said), but instead of stopping Creeg and trying to help Victor like he said he would, he decided to work with Creeg and use Victor.

        Or, you could be right, and he could've been involved in the doctor's murder. I'm just not entirely sure if that's how it played out or not. That's something I love about Lex's evil right now-it's so amibguous and up for debate. There are different possibilities and you wonder sometimes if he's trying to do the right thing or if he's up to no-good, but ultimately, I think he's crossed over to the dark-side for good now. Season five saw Lex on the crossroads, really close to being evil but still wanting to be somewhat good, and now, in season six, I think he's really embracing his destiny. Al and Miles promised "the rise of Lex Luthor", and I think the ending of "Subterranean" with Lex walking callously past all the inmates being experimented on in 33.1 clearly represents this and shows just how much Lex has crossed over.

        "Random accusations. No evidence to back it up. The only people we know for sure are in that lab are mass murdering criminals."

        Well, according to Vengeance Chronicles (which I haven't watched yet in full, but I've heard about) the girl from "Vengeance" is being imprisoned, and she's clearly not a mass murdering criminal. Also, (if you don't want a spoiler don't read any futher) I read somewhere that the Flash is being imprisoned in 33.1 as well. He's also not a mass murdering criminal. So there are innocent people as well as bad ones being imprisoned.

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        • #49
          Yes and no. Both Lex and Clark could resign their differences. But, it was so bad that Clark couldn't be a little nicer to Lana. The trailer for next year could say differently about those two ex-lovers.

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          • #50
            Ummm.. .Lex was responsible. So it wouldn't seem that an apology was necessary. Though I didn't like the whole scene...

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            • #51
              Clark knows Lex, and Lex deep down Knows that Clark knows him.

              Personally I would have put the Kaibosh on Lex and his crap awhile ago, but then again I have no issues in abusing my superpowers

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              • #52
                Don't get me started... Clark is *way* too wussy in using his powers. He's never heard of combatting foes on more than one level, or softening them up before he closes, or anything resembling tactics...

                Lois needs to get him some of the training that she's had or something... too bad Raya couldn't train him before she died...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by wraith808
                  Don't get me started... Clark is *way* too wussy in using his powers. He's never heard of combatting foes on more than one level, or softening them up before he closes, or anything resembling tactics...

                  Lois needs to get him some of the training that she's had or something... too bad Raya couldn't train him before she died...
                  Maybe someone should give him the art of war by Sun Tzu or better yet, the book of five rings by Miyamoto Musashi.

                  That'll make him kick ass !

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                  • #54
                    I was hoping that getting the beat down by Batista would let him know that he sucks as far as effective use of his powers... but MM bailed him out too soon...

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                    • #55
                      Hard to say if Batista's character would really have been able to do any real damage to Clark, guess we will never know.

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                      • #56
                        "But, it was so bad that Clark couldn't be a little nicer to Lana."

                        I don't know...I mean, Lana hasn't been very nice to Clark lately. When Clark offered to help her in that one scene, she ended up just being mean to him and saying, "Go away" basically instead of thanking him. She's always in his face about lying to her, acting like Lex is this saint who only tells her the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth; she's clearly blinded herself to Lex's true colors. So I don't think Clark was out of line. He just said it like it is, but he was still a gentleman about it. He wasn't rude, but just stood up for himself and said the truth. I liked that.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by RMF
                          No matter what Lex says, if Clark is stopped by security but then actually escorted inside, then Lex wants him there. Quite possibly he is enjoying these scenes, because that's when he gets to rub Clark's nose in things.
                          Very good observation- I hadn't thought about that...

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                          • #58
                            Lex lives for power and to him control and manipulation is Power.

                            He lives to move people around him like chess pieces.

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                            • #59
                              ^^ You mean money isn't power? Whoa... someone outta clue Lana in on that!

                              ---
                              It's quite easy to see why Lex is as controlling as he is. His father is that way. He doesn't trust anyone, even Lana. But he is impulsive around her which let's us see that he could possibly slip up. But, would she even notice?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by kickarse
                                ^^ You mean money isn't power? Whoa... someone outta clue Lana in on that!

                                ---
                                It's quite easy to see why Lex is as controlling as he is. His father is that way. He doesn't trust anyone, even Lana. But he is impulsive around her which let's us see that he could possibly slip up. But, would she even notice?
                                Money is Power? only to the naive.

                                The ability to control and manipulate people, that is power and that is what lex thrives on.
                                To get someone to do something 100% against their own character, against their own common sense AND make them think you had nothing to do with it, bay, THAT'S POWER !

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