There are idealogies that say killing is wrong no matter what and there are idealogies that claim killing is wrong except in this situation or that. I don't think the writers were doing a bad job, rather the idealogy Felicity follows makes it near impossible to consistantly defend without seeming hypocritical. I had that problem in an early scene in the Defenders, Daredevil ran off to save 2 kids looting a store from getting shot by the store owners. Sure, they didn't need to be killed but Matt didn't stop the kids from stealing after preventing them from getting shot. Wasn't that a crime too? Didn't it deserved to be stopped?
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As far as I know people are usually not against the death penalty because they are against taking a criminal life. The reasons are deeper than that. They know that the justice system is not infallible, sometimes innocent persons are judged guilty. There is no way around that. Bad luck or intentional manipulation - it is not unheard of that years or even decades after judged guilty new evidence shows that the sentence was wrong. You can't give these innocent persons their years back but if one took their life it is even worse. And think of those who had made the wrong judgement, judge or jury, imagine yourself to have to live with the guilt of that.
It is our custom to think of the impersonal Law as the responsible one so that nobody really is responsible and has to live with the decisions they made. But in the end that is not true. It is humans who make a law and it is humans who judge according to this law and it is humans who execute this law and it is humans who didn't do anything to prevent that law used to kill an innocent. If an innocent is killed due to the law-system failing all these people are responsible, they all are murderers or guilty co-perpetrators because they didn't interfere. To prevent this from happening people are against the death penalty. They try to protect innocents and they try to protect themselves from guilt.Last edited by DoubleDevil; 08-25-2017, 04:11 AM.Comment
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There are idealogies that say killing is wrong no matter what and there are idealogies that claim killing is wrong except in this situation or that. I don't think the writers were doing a bad job, rather the idealogy Felicity follows makes it near impossible to consistantly defend without seeming hypocritical.
I had that problem in an early scene in the Defenders, Daredevil ran off to save 2 kids looting a store from getting shot by the store owners. Sure, they didn't need to be killed but Matt didn't stop the kids from stealing after preventing them from getting shot. Wasn't that a crime too? Didn't it deserved to be stopped?
So why did those kids in Defenders steal? Was it for fun - because they are addicted to the rush of adrenaline? Was it for survival because they have nobody to care for them?Comment
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That's OK, I didn't mean to direct the post at you personally. I didn't mean your arguement didn't change my mind rather I haven't heard an arguement on the subject from anybody that was able to convince me. As for what I don't understand, it's how somebody can believe a fetes is a life form and be pro abortion yet at the same time be against the death penalty. It's more common in Europe but I have seen those types of people everywhere.Last edited by DoubleDevil; 08-25-2017, 12:44 PM.Comment
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That's OK, I didn't mean to direct the post at you personally. I didn't mean your arguement didn't change my mind rather I haven't heard an arguement on the subject from anybody that was able to convince me. As for what I don't understand, it's how somebody can believe a fetes is a life form and be pro abortion yet at the same time be against the death penalty. It's more common in Europe but I have seen those types of people everywhere.
Of course, I just use biological concepts here, other people may have other definitions of "not life", "life" and "human".Comment
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Ah, okay, I misunderstood you. As to your question: I have no idea. Personally, I think as long as the embryo is not yet a foetus (about first three months since last menstruation) it is not a life form and if a woman does not want to have a baby these three months should be enough time to abort it. But once it is a foetus it is a life form. Why women would want to abort when it is already a foetus instead of before that time I don't know. Human, IMO, one cannot call a foetus until about the 20th week as only then the cerebral cortex is starting to build so basically the foetus is an animal before that time.
Of course, I just use biological concepts here, other people may have other definitions of "not life", "life" and "human".Comment
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Again, if the embryo/fetes isn't considered a life form then I can understand the argument, it's when people have the moral belief that an embryo/fetes IS a life form that I don't understand the argument. Some europeans still have a strong religious belief and it's the argument against the death penalty yet abortion is socially accepted so the religious belief is discarded and THAT'S what I don't understand. They pick and choose what THEY benefit from. Again, a totally selfish argument cloaked in compassion.
But maybe it helps if you remember that the majority of humans don't develop own opinions but only assimilate those of their surrounding (usually those from childhood). This may be due to an evolutionary advantage, because it stabilizes a human culture in it's current environment and thus helps the human species to survive. When one grows up in a surrounding that on the one hand accepts abortion and disapproves of death penalty but also is strongly influenced by the way Christianity was altered during the medieval age (just think of what all that abuse of LSD and alkaloid poison did to the religious beliefs in medieval Europe) self consistency is hard to reach and it takes a lot of inner strength to face those inconsistencies, a strength most people simply don't have.Comment
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