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    Quote Originally Posted by 134sc View Post
    Wow. Nitpick much. I could literally watch any show, analyze it to death and find faults everywhere. But that's no fun. I'm not saying to just blindly enjoy what you watch, but come on.
    Every criticism can be dismissed as a nitpick by someone who doesn't agree with it. Doesn't make it a nitpick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 134sc View Post
    Wow. Nitpick much. I could literally watch any show, analyze it to death and find faults everywhere. But that's no fun. I'm not saying to just blindly enjoy what you watch, but come on.
    I guess it all depends on the standards of satisfaction each viewer sets for themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by costas22 View Post
    I guess it all depends on the standards of satisfaction each viewer sets for themselves...
    Agree. And also on the standards of what makes for good discussion on a discussion board, which each poster sets for himself/herself (taking into consideration mods rules, of course). I love reading critique written on these boards. It's fun. Interesting and stimulating. Makes me think. I guess one person's idea of fun = another's idea of boring; and vice versa.

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    There were a lot of moving parts in this one.

    -I was fine with Rene and Diggle. All that's been said about rushing the characters through their grief/remorse/self-doubt has been said, I won't get into detail much because that issue hasn't changed for me, even though the show is basically moving on from it. I can see what they're trying to do here. Diggle will be like a mentor while Rene might provide the sort of real world reality check Diggle may need (you know, outside of the fact Diggle's family could do that for him).

    Too soon to be healed? Yeah, but we can also say that about Cisco, Felicity, Rory, Barry being rushed past their own tragic and/or guilt-ridden moments, so Rene and Diggle have plenty of company on the baggage-brushed-under-the-rug bench.

    -I was also okay with getting to see Oliver be an actual mayor and deal with the greasy wheels of SC politics -- wheels that let's not forget Robert Queen had more than a hand in greasing back in the day. And his pushing for low income housing -- completely in line with his social conscience traits from the comics. I will take canon nods when I see 'em. Of course, half the time this ep. it was actually Chance as "Oliver" cutting those deals so we don't know if Ollie himself would have handled it the same.

    -The deal with the reporter was clumsy and rife with dangers. Thea was right to be wary of her. But again, it was Chance-as-Oliver that cut that 'one month reprieve' deal ... and got her number?

    -Church was likely a necessary sort of villain at this stage of S5, rooted in the real-world corruption and crime that defines SC and the series. The series needed a villain like him this early in the season to set the grim 'n gritty 'course correction' tone. But, yeah, his best before date as a character was approaching. I liked that the problem the team had to face had nothing to do with magical totems, immortal warlords or botched up time travel snafus -- but an alliance of gangsters aka a real-world 'legion of doom' backed not by magic or powers (other than Prometheus) but guns, and cops, politicians on the take.

    Won't go on about how the more fanciful elements infected/were forced upon Arrow's more realistic world -- you know where I stand on this.

    Tobias was never designed to be a season long Big Bad and Prometheus' appearance only underlined this. and I think his role was just that: a stage-setting role. Tobias played the only card he had left -- GA's identity -- and it didn't pan out. Been a fan of Chad Coleman on TWD, he went out like a boss.

    Who the heck was his masked henchman though? Good enough to stop Prometheus' first attack on Tobias, not good enough to save his own skin.

    -Olicity. Just to give this one a reality check: As I said, there were a lot of moving parts and thankfully, Ollie and Felicity sorting out their post-breakup status was only one part of it. It didn't overwhelm the ep. in my mind.

    It was refreshing that Oliver was the one who was cool with Felicity figuring out if bf Billy is 'The One' and giving her the space to do so as well as acknowledging that he may need to test new horizons too. Hardly the Olicity snugglefest the shipper factions expected. They're standing pat (for now), which is a good thing.

    But -- the lingering lovey-dovey looks they had -- nope, they need to dial that stuff down. Felicity was "not sure" about her new guy. Uhh, right. Makes me thing of Christina Aguilera's breakout hit. Felicity is Ollie's genie in a bottle ... her body's saying let's go, but her heart is saying no. Those scenes were brief, so that was a blessing.

    I'll just imagine Oliver in future scenes like that wearing a black sweatshirt in bold white letter: "Yo, I got a secret son!"

    (Billy, however, is doomed any way you cut it. If he's lucky only his heart is broken. If not, maybe his body and/or his soul. Odds that Prometheus sends him to his never-ending sleep: very, very good.)

    -Bratva scenes I loved, and the fact that Oliver is not universally loved in the brotherhood and will have to watch his back. I'm taking the flashbacks as welcome counter-programming to balance off some of the "sunnier" aspects of Mayor Ollie and Team Arrow 2.0.

    -Human Target. He did his job and, like others have said, he would have been fine if they had left him as just Ollie's body double during the hit. Mission accomplished, see you later. I agree that he was too involved as "Oliver", esp. in the mayoral aspects -- which real Ollie will have to live with ... while Chance goes off on another contract. Thanks, Chris, you left Oliver holding the bag.

    And there was no need for him to show up in the flashbacks, an Anatoly loyalist could just as easily have saved Ollie then. An easter egg for the sake of an easter egg.

    The sum of its parts still made the ep. okay with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Kent View Post
    Agree. And also on the standards of what makes for good discussion on a discussion board, which each poster sets for himself/herself (taking into consideration mods rules, of course). I love reading critique written on these boards. It's fun. Interesting and stimulating. Makes me think. I guess one person's idea of fun = another's idea of boring; and vice versa.
    Fully agree. I like reading detailed reviews as well. From people like President Luthor, Backward Galaxy, yourself and others. Helps me look at things from a different perspective and ponder whether I was too harsh or not.

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    Okay episode. I'm afraid Rene is a dead man walking, since I really like him. (I have really crappy record of Favorite Characters that end up Dead Sooner or Later - usualy Sooner). His mini-arc was fine when it comes to dealing with Trauma (liked his scenes with Dig) and the Sense of Guilt - I've noticed Plot Demands Event though (hearing a piece of important information and remembering etc.), but let's say that it more or less come together.

    I must say that they even managed to get quite disturbing feeling when it comes to characterization - Rene simply didn't look good after what he have been through. I mean, I don't even want to think what would be truly left of him in RL after being tortured, but for "Arrow" standards - it was quite gruesome (but then again when I remember myself the scene with a drill in "Daredevil"... x_x). Of course he put on costume shortly after taking that beating, but I really won't complain about that part of Plot Demands, because some Justice was needed - here another confrontation with Church.

    Prometheus ending scene was quite omnious. I worried that it might be Tommy, though, because srsly. Just. NO. x_x

    Objectively speaking Church was rather generic villain, but served his part well - I liked Chad L. Coleman performance here, got an impression that he was doing the best he could with the material. Since I like more grounded reality I think that the plot with drugs worked well within the setting.

    Olicity scenes - okay, I guess they needed to be here, or something. So, Oliver is cool with Felicity moving on etc., but unfortunately I've seen some warning signs that it might be back sooner than most of us would like it to be. I mean, the way those scenes were shot seemed as if they were telling "we will keep them apart for now but they're those STARCROSSED lovers so the have to be together". The scenes didn't make me cringe though, as they were not main focus and Oliver didn't preform table flip this time. Feel sorry for Billy Malone, he is another character that will be claimed by The Ripper. (Alongside Wild Dog of course).

    A bit disappointing that Oliver's glory scenes as The Mayor were in fact Human Target's doing (hey, it was Wil Traval from "Jessica Jones" ). The plot with the journalist collecting dirt on Oliver seems to be promising though. Bratva flashbacks still work well.

    A lot of cuts in the final confrontation of GA and Church, but the fight scenes keep that stable level. My eyes doesn't bleed any more when I watch "Arrow". I also enjoyed the exchange:

    "You mind if I call you Oliver?"
    "Yes, I do."


    ^

    Also - men flashing abs. "Arrow" is really going back to the roots. Solid 7 (adding one point on my private scale, because Rick Gonzales ). Overall it was quite pleasantly spend 42 minutes, especially after watching live the handball game of my national team (they've lost against Serbia in the first qualifier for Euro 2018 T_T).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward Galaxy View Post
    I managed to catch this one, simply because I didn't have anything else to do. I'm not the biggest fan of Arrow to begin with, so take my critiques with a grain of salt:

    - The Human Target bits were completely random. If I didn't know the significance of the character's crossover, I would have been totally confused by their use of him. A public figure like Oliver faking his death would also not be seen as a positive thing. It would be an enormous scandal that would get him recalled. This was tremendously contrived and fake.

    - The "art of politics" bits felt convenient and fake. The true art of politics is wheeling and dealing and the ability to compromise and form relationships to your benefit. When a Senator wants to get a bill passed, and someone from the other party is blocking it, the key to getting a deal done isn't to fall butt backwards into the luck of your opponent being corrupt and you being able to easily discover that fact when no one else could. While this event was framed as Oliver, a novice politician, learning how to act like a politician, it was actually just contrived blind luck. Not only is it poor and contradictory writing, but the promise of what they were going for was both a better story and a necessary one to show us that Oliver knows what he's doing or is at least figuring things out. Very poorly done.

    - I liked the Rene and Diggle bits, but again the writers found a way to cop out of substantial and real character growth. Rene dealing with his failure and pain... these are real things. Diggle, having been there, trying to help, is a real thing. Having Rene "think harder" and magically out of nowhere realize that the bad guy unwittingly revealed his entire plan is not. That is a fake thing. That lets Rene off the hook and allows the character to move past his shame without having a genuine realization, simply because he gleaned something useful. It would have meant more to the strength of the character if he had to do that without the contrivance that came out of nowhere because... once again... he thought harder.

    - Church was a terrible villain, so his death is equally meaningless. But so far, so is Prometheus. We have almost no information on his motives or goals, so the only thing we're going on is his power. The problem here is that his power is unearned. How does he defeat Church's police escort? We don't know, because they don't show it to us. It certainly isn't through cunning and guile, as one might expect, coming from someone who is basically just another archer at this point. No, he manages to wipe out the entire escort... just because. There's nothing terrifying or interesting about that. It doesn't make him a badass, it makes him omnipotent, and he'll continue to be until the very moment down the road where a script of an episode calls for Oliver to beat him. If they spent the time and effort to actually show Prometheus doing something interesting, using some sort of ingenious method of taking out the escort utilizing precision and tactics, then we start to understand why he's a threat. The method they chose was lazy. He killed them all because he can. He's dangerous because we said so.

    - Oliver's deal with the reporter was stupid. Asking one reporter to stop harassing you accomplishes nothing. There's about 8,000 more in a city ready to slam you. It's also unethical and bordering on illegal. He's bribing her with access. Good intentions or not, that scene is a depiction of corruption. It's a mayor trying to buy good press.

    So, yeah, I continue to not like Arrow.
    I don't hate arrow like Backward Galaxy does but I do have to agree with all of Galaxies critiques. I would like to highlight the political and news media scenes as particularly off-putting. Both Oliver and his political opponents looked like complete fools when his opponent drove all the way to Oliver's offices for a meeting where he simply refused to negotiate and gave his little movie villain speech. Oliver, who while not politically savvy isn't supposed to be a complete imbecile stands there clearly having come to the meeting with no plan or negotiating leverage. He doesn't present any offer to compromise elsewhere. Was he hoping to talk the politician into changing his mind with his charming personality? This show could borrow a couple writers from Suits for it's political scenes. That show is not a political drama and admittedly overuses strong-arm techniques (like they did here) but at least they manage to make it exciting and engaging and all intelligent parties come to the table with some kind of a plan.

    My own personal gripe. I hate it when shows or movies make a hero who will kill dozens of pawns who get in his way but is too noble to kill the villain who put them all up to it. A villain who will do it again if given the opportunity. Should arrow have killed Church? My answer: If he wasn't too noble to kill a number of other random thugs who found out his identity then he shouldn't be too noble to kill the boss. I would like to hear from one viewer who shared Oliver's idiotic optimism about Church keeping his identity secret due to being imprisoned. Too be fair I can't keep track of exactly when the arrow is or is not killing people so maybe I missed a switch back to mercy, but really?
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    Backward Galaxy >>>-----------> I was not even trying to understand the part about the politics, because it was clear it's some political fiction. Politics is a tight net of various complicated connections, so somehow I don't believe that Ollie will succeed as the Mayor. Another question is if a person with criminal past (how many times he had a trial in a court? Four? Five?) could be even elected?

    It's just like with the archery - once you had a bow in hands and practice archery you laugh when you show you slapping water as the way to build up muscles strenght in arms (especially that you know that the muscles in your back are in fact more important in order to draw back a bow) or the Arrow shooting multiple arrows at once and hitting any target. Yanking an arrow out of wound yourself is a nonsense. Becoming an excellent archer on the span of few weeks is another nonsense. But it's not a training video for archery. I'm okay with that aspect as long as it looks cool (season 1 mainly).

    Agree that the Trope of a vigilante hero who kills off all minions but spares the Main Villain is overused and a tad annoying. As for Prometheus - I think the longer he is so enigmatic villain, the better, and in the scene with police escort they wanted to built up the pararell between Church threatening Rene and being himself a victim in fear.

    With Rene - he said he didn't remember clearly what was happening to him. What would stay with him would be intense feeling of fear, anger and pain - of course memories can't be uncover like that by a small talk. It would need a long therapy.

    Quote Originally Posted by President_Luthor
    (Billy, however, is doomed any way you cut it. If he's lucky only his heart is broken. If not, maybe his body and/or his soul. Odds that Prometheus sends him to his never-ending sleep: very, very good.)
    He is this universe's Norrington, remember. :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Kent View Post
    Agree. And also on the standards of what makes for good discussion on a discussion board, which each poster sets for himself/herself (taking into consideration mods rules, of course). I love reading critique written on these boards. It's fun. Interesting and stimulating. Makes me think. I guess one person's idea of fun = another's idea of boring; and vice versa.
    I guess that if not for the overall quality of discussion on this forum and possibility to share the views I wouldn't be watching those shows. Glad that I've found KSite - DC and DC related stuff is really not big thing in other areas of the web/forum I usually visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zibroweed View Post
    I don't hate arrow like Backward Galaxy does but I do have to agree with all of Galaxies critiques. I would like to highlight the political and news media scenes as particularly off-putting. Both Oliver and his political opponents looked like complete fools when his opponent drove all the way to Oliver's offices for a meeting where he simply refused to negotiate and gave his little movie villain speech. Oliver, who while not politically savvy isn't supposed to be a complete imbecile stands there clearly having come to the meeting with no plan or negotiating leverage. He doesn't present any offer to compromise elsewhere. Was he hoping to talk the politician into changing his mind with his charming personality? This show could borrow a couple writers from Suits for it's political scenes. That show is not a political drama and admittedly overuses strong-arm techniques (like they did here) but at least they manage to make it exciting and engaging and all intelligent parties come to the table with some kind of a plan.

    My own personal gripe. I hate it when shows or movies make a hero who will kill dozens of pawns who get in his way but is too noble to kill the villain who put them all up to it. A villain who will do it again if given the opportunity. Should arrow have killed Church? My answer: If he wasn't too noble to kill a number of other random thugs who found out his identity then he shouldn't be too noble to kill the boss. I would like to hear from one viewer who shared Oliver's idiotic optimism about Church keeping his identity secret due to being imprisoned. Too be fair I can't keep track of exactly when the arrow is or is not killing people so maybe I missed a switch back to mercy, but really?
    Oliver could've done one of three things after discovering Church knew his identity. 1 He could've killed Church. 2 He could've gotten in front of Church and outed himself so the leverage Church had knowing who he is was taken away. 3 He could've done what Ben Affleck did to Michael Clark Duncan when Kingpin threatened to out Daredevil in prison, laugh at him for wanting to admit a blindman took down the Kingpin. The last choice doesn't work for Oliver so he really only had 2 choices and chose neither. Wow, how well thought out this show has become. And that was just one of MANY problems I had with the episode. It's better than seasons 3 & 4 but nowhere near season 1, it's sort of a middle ground. Still not worth my time though, I don't just want a lack of Olicity melodrama, I don't want my intelligence insulted between each and every commercial break time and time again. Actually I'm being slightly unfair to seasons 3 & 4, they insulted me with the melodrama but not so much my intelligence, they were better thought out. Even something as stupid as Laurel's death I could see some sort of thought went into the decision. Prometheus didn't even react when Church gave up Oliver's name in any way to the information. Did he know or didn't he? His reaction could've been either, he waited to kill Church until he gave up the name. If Prometheus is such a badass I would've had him kill Church BEFORE he said Oliver's name. It was a total retcon of Church in the very same episode. Thought he was bad enough to defy Prometheus and then quiver like a scared kid at the end even though he had this ďvaluableď information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amarice View Post
    Agree that the Trope of a vigilante hero who kills off all minions but spares the Main Villain is overused and a tad annoying. As for Prometheus - I think the longer he is so enigmatic villain, the better, and in the scene with police escort they wanted to built up the pararell between Church threatening Rene and being himself a victim in fear.
    ^This. I believe that's why they had Tobias only hearing (not seeing) the police force eliminated outside -- so that he would be a victim of the fear techniques he had just used on Rene. It built up the tension for him, knowing that he was likely about to die and not knowing how.

    I'd go with the theory that Prometheus didn't care that Tobias told him GA's identity -- because he either already knew it (this would fit into a 'Tommy is Prometheus' theory, with Malcolm blurting all to him well before S5), or knew he could find out soon enough. Tobias was going to die, Prometheus had told him continued failure would have a price, so it was Tobias' error that he thought telling GA's identity might save him. He was at the end of his rope and GA's secret identity was his only card.

    If Prometheus did not know GA's identity, then Tobias telling him was just a convenient and fortuitous bonus since Tobias would have died regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by President_Luthor View Post
    ^This. I believe that's why they had Tobias only hearing (not seeing) the police force eliminated outside -- so that he would be a victim of the fear techniques he had just used on Rene. It built up the tension for him, knowing that he was likely about to die and not knowing how.

    I'd go with the theory that Prometheus didn't care that Tobias told him GA's identity -- because he either already knew it (this would fit into a 'Tommy is Prometheus' theory, with Malcolm blurting all to him well before S5), or knew he could find out soon enough. Tobias was going to die, Prometheus had told him continued failure would have a price, so it was Tobias' error that he thought telling GA's identity might save him. He was at the end of his rope and GA's secret identity was his only card.

    If Prometheus did not know GA's identity, then Tobias telling him was just a convenient and fortuitous bonus since Tobias would have died regardless.
    Without doubt, Church was a deadman walking since his bodyguard caught Prometheus' arrow, it was just absolutely unimaginative and bland that it didn't interest me in the least and had nothing suspenseful in it at all. I knew exactly the outcome, including Church's fear, as soon as Oliver freed Rene.

    Brother Blood defying Slade made more sense and was interesting in season 2, this was just a waste of time.
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    An enjoyable episode

    Really I donít have any negative to say for this one.

    I enjoyed the action and characters which the level of quality there has been going good ever since 5x01.

    Over the summer the people involved kept saying Arrow would go back to itís dark and gritty tone, which I had my doubts even as this yearís episodes went on.
    Until now when the opening of Rene was being tortured and that stuff was dark for sure.

    Diggle coming back into the team went easier than I expected and it feels like he has a place, since itís clearly shown heís a veteran compared to the newer recruits.

    I enjoyed his scenes with Wild Dog where they came to a common ground due to their past experiences. Plus, just the action stuff alone of Diggle shooting those goons while being shot at and the newbies looked on in awe.

    Also itís neat to see Diggle and Oliver back working together.

    The new helmet looks miles better then whatever thatÖ thing was in season 4 which looks cobbled together from various parts.

    Got to see Oliver doing mayor stuff which was fun even through it was Human Target playing Oliver. Which that scene with the business man and at the end when you could see the subtle anger on his face, it reminded me of The Hood going after those types of people and bit of Oliver from the comics.

    So, I really hope to see that with the actual Oliver in the future, again at some point.

    Oliver single handily beating Church and his interrogating of the guys earlier in the episode when trying to find Wild Dog was cool. Itís nice to see they are keeping the Green Arrow still being like he was in the early seasons.

    Not sure why Oliver just didnít kill Church especially due to knowing his secret but if he was trying to play it off that the SCPD took him down, that could be why.

    Which in Tobias Churchís case, I liked hat his plan was to just build a massive drug empire instead of nuclear weapons like in season 4 with Darhk. Iím glad they are sticking with street level problems and really since it is personal on a small scale level it makes it even better than just another world destroying plot.

    For Tobias Church good bye, you a were a good villain but itís time for you to exit stage left. Because Prometheus is coming in and this guy is a scary force to be reckoned with.

    Also the Human Target is a cool character.

    Now for the massive elephant in the room of Olicty. Despite Marc Guggenheim saying along the lines it was going to be a big Olicty episode it was just the two main moments and very well handled at that since both Oliver and Felicity acted like mature adults.

    To sum it up they have for now put Olicty to either a full out stop or just on the back burner until a later season. My fears I had of how this could screw up of just going into full melodrama and over taking the episode, did not happen.

    So this makes me one very happy fan.

    For the flashbacks, Oliver is now a full member of The Bratva which itís nice to see happen. Also Oliver learns a few things about watching his back in The Bratva kind of proving he can only trust himself due to Victor sending those thugs to kill him.

    Which Oliverís line of ďI have no home, family, no nameĒ is why I think in Arrow season 1 episode 05 is why Oliver said to Diggle of course he cares about his family but the mission comes first. Just from he will be spending a whole year in that mind set.

    The biggest thing is the flashbacks of how they lead to that ending of the present day where Susan Williams learns that Oliver was not just off the island during those five years but the fact of a member of The Bratva.

    This should make things really interesting. Also, I think this is the first time in a long while I had that feeling of excitement in my gut like since season 2, where I know this is not going to go well for Oliver and his family considering Susan Williams is sitting on a power keg but I canít wait to see what happens next either.

    Plus they finally had somebody put together Oliver wasnít on the island for those five years since he got recognized due to his public image status.

    All in all a very well done episode and one I will be for sure rewatching.

    So yeah keep it up guys on for the showrunners to producers, actors and everybody else involved in Arrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by President_Luthor View Post
    ^This. I believe that's why they had Tobias only hearing (not seeing) the police force eliminated outside -- so that he would be a victim of the fear techniques he had just used on Rene. It built up the tension for him, knowing that he was likely about to die and not knowing how.

    I'd go with the theory that Prometheus didn't care that Tobias told him GA's identity -- because he either already knew it (this would fit into a 'Tommy is Prometheus' theory, with Malcolm blurting all to him well before S5), or knew he could find out soon enough. Tobias was going to die, Prometheus had told him continued failure would have a price, so it was Tobias' error that he thought telling GA's identity might save him. He was at the end of his rope and GA's secret identity was his only card.

    If Prometheus did not know GA's identity, then Tobias telling him was just a convenient and fortuitous bonus since Tobias would have died regardless.
    Also had a feeling that Prometheus knows very well that Oliver is the Arrow/Green Arrow. Still I hope it's not Tommy.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleDevil View Post
    Actually I'm being slightly unfair to seasons 3 & 4, they insulted me with the melodrama but not so much my intelligence, they were better thought out. Even something as stupid as Laurel's death I could see some sort of thought went into the decision. Prometheus didn't even react when Church gave up Oliver's name in any way to the information. Did he know or didn't he? His reaction could've been either, he waited to kill Church until he gave up the name. If Prometheus is such a badass I would've had him kill Church BEFORE he said Oliver's name. It was a total retcon of Church in the very same episode. Thought he was bad enough to defy Prometheus and then quiver like a scared kid at the end even though he had this ďvaluableď information.
    And which part was more thought out, I wonder? Cops swallowing up nonsene "Oliver Queen is not the Arrow" after discovering the Arrow's hideout under his club or Mr. Darkh let's-nuke-the-world-because-I'm-evil? No to mention "You've failed this omelette" and Oliver cured by the power of love. So far Prometheus works quite good as main villian IMO - he is not even near the level of Merlyn or Deathstroke though. I still expect massive failure at the second part of season 5 when the story is supposed to come together (if it will turn out that Tommy is Prometheus for example x_x). All comes down to subjective judgment, I think. I guess I'm rather enjoying season 5 because I prefer them to built up the stories around OC characters like Wild Dog or Ragman (I'm sure they have nothing in common with their comic counterparts except maybe bits of backstroy and costumes) than constantly screw up heroes like Black Canary. Oliver as a Paragon character is much better than the failure he was in season 4. Another reason why I can watch is the show is due to the fact that Green Arrow: Rebirth run has everything I wanted to see in GA stories, so for "Arrow" I've no expectations really.

    As for Laurel's death - I've seen that episode some time ago, and when it comes to execution/action/story I found the quality noticeably worse that season 5 average episode. But again - suuuuuubjective judgment. I see why people are not interested in season 5 - simply the best parts are copying tropes used in season 1.

    Oliver outing his identity later this season 5 would be a logical step, but I don't suppose they're going to follow my personal headcanons or rather what should happen to have Oliver Queen's story run a full circle.

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    Solid episode but I thought they killed off Tobias Church too soon. I felt like they could've done that in the mid-season finale, but it was obvious since the start of the season that Church would meet his end at the ends of Prometheus.


    And hopefully this is the true end of Olicity.




    LOL Yeah right

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