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    Loved It? Hated It? What did you think of "Human Target?"

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    Ah.... finally.... An episode I feel I can give a 10/10. A rarity for the past two seasons.

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    Another solid episode. Season 5 just keeps on rolling. I even liked how they handled Olicity. It was organic, honest and was NOT the focus of the episode.

    I reserve my judgement on Prometheus until we have more information. But based on what we know from the showrunners, Prometheus must know that OQ, GA and the Hood are all one in the same. If not, technically he should be going after Roy Harper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 134sc View Post
    Another solid episode. Season 5 just keeps on rolling. I even liked how they handled Olicity. It was organic, honest and was NOT the focus of the episode.

    I reserve my judgement on Prometheus until we have more information. But based on what we know from the showrunners, Prometheus must know that OQ, GA and the Hood are all one in the same. If not, technically he should be going after Roy Harper.
    Agreed. My thoughts on Prometheus killing Church was one part fulfilling his saying Church wouldn't get a third warning, but also to ensure Church couldn't tell anyone else that. "The only way two men keep a secret is if one of them is dead." Prometheus definitely knows that GA, The Hood, and OQ are one and the same. I still say its Tommy under the mask, but that's my bias.

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    Also, I love that the reporter has dirt on Oliver's 5 years away. its about damn time to be honest. My hope is that this leads to Oliver outing himself as GA and the Hood. That would indeed be the end of the 5 year journey, and would lead into season 6 nicely.

    JDBentz, just curious, why do you want Prometheusto be Tommy? To me it makes no sense because Oliver didnt really wrong Tommy as the Hood. Sure they had thier issues, but it seemed like it was water under the bridge. I did however, read a theory that in season 2 Malcolm took Tommys body to the Lazurs Pit and when Tommy came out, his mind was so warped that he blamed Ollie for everything and vowed to train and get revenge. That was why Malcolm was so against Thea going into the pit. If they went this way, I could buy it

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    Season 5 just keeps on rolling. I even liked how they handled Olicity. It was organic, honest and was NOT the focus of the episode.
    LOL I wouldnt put Olicity and organic in same sentence, there is so much cognitive dissonance in their writing, they are supposed to be moving on yet they look at each other like they want to be together? Its clear now the writers dont intend to change their bad writing habits for this pairing, they just wanted to make it look like they had, they are better trickers than the Human Target. *Applause*

    They are still not free from Olicity shippers' control, well fool me once, Im not going to be waiting for the other shoe to drop this time.

    I like the episodes so far but I now know that this quality is short lived, sucks. But Im glad to know beforehand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 134sc View Post
    Also, I love that the reporter has dirt on Oliver's 5 years away. its about damn time to be honest. My hope is that this leads to Oliver outing himself as GA and the Hood. That would indeed be the end of the 5 year journey, and would lead into season 6 nicely.

    JDBentz, just curious, why do you want Prometheusto be Tommy? To me it makes no sense because Oliver didnt really wrong Tommy as the Hood. Sure they had thier issues, but it seemed like it was water under the bridge. I did however, read a theory that in season 2 Malcolm took Tommys body to the Lazurs Pit and when Tommy came out, his mind was so warped that he blamed Ollie for everything and vowed to train and get revenge. That was why Malcolm was so against Thea going into the pit. If they went this way, I could buy it
    *coughs* That's actually my theory as far as how Tommy could be Prometheus.

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    I think the greatest part of this episode was the Oliver/Anatoly bar scene. Especially when Anatoly seemed a bit drunk! I really hope we see more less serious moments between these two in season 5. Overall, great episode. #BrassSermonsWereALovelyTime

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    Not a particularly good episode, imo. It had potential to be very good, but there were a couple of issues that dragged it down.

    - One of those issues ended up being the Human Target. If he was used exclusively as Oliver's double, I would have been perfectly fine with it. Instead they shoehorned him in a couple of situations where he wasn't even needed: He was the one who strong armed Cullens (which should have been Mayor Queen's finest hour), he got involved in Oliver's love life and he (oh so conveniently!) ended up appearing in the flashbacks in the same episode. The latter was the latest in line of those ridiculous coincidences where something that occurs in the present day just so happens to occur in the same episode's flashbacks. And yes, the logic behind it was to have Susan get info on Oliver's Bratva days, but they could have found a less contrived way to make it happen.

    - The Church stuff was mostly ok. I don't mind that he exhibited some Bond villain stupidity in this episode, because I never had the highest regard for the character anyway. He was there as filler until the Prometheus storyline began to unravel and he outlived his usefulness. As for Prometheus, again, he did what he was supposed to do. I don't expect the show to start dropping major hints about his identity. Yet.

    - The Olicity stuff added nothing to this episode. Oliver once again showed the kind of maturity and understanding that we already knew he had in this relationship. However, this arc has done nothing to endear Felicity in my eyes. The fact that she lied about the relationship for months and didn't plan on telling Oliver until it was "real" makes her look hypocritical after all her diatribes about Oliver's lies? At the same time, I don't get Felicity's logic in this. She's been with this guy for a while now, they are sleeping together and she's still trying to figure if it's real? When did she plan on figuring out if it's real and telling Oliver? Once Billy proposed? Finally, while they slightly teased it, I doubt Oliver will be doing anything with Susan. The showrunners probably don't want to incur the wrath of the shippers any more.

    - Nice to see Diggle in a Team Arrow environment again. His scenes with Rene worked quite well I thought. All in all, I'm still not a fan of how bloated the team is this season. We are talking about 6 members on the street with Felicity calling the shots from the lair. And it doesn't help that, besides Ragman, the new recruits don't come across as remotely likeable.

    - The flashbacks, minus Human Target's convenient involvement, were fun again. Anatoly is a blast.

    5/10. Quite a rough week for the DCTV shows. Hopefully LoT will be a bit better tonight.
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    It was good besides Oliver and Felicity's scenes together. Oliver's line asking Felicity "Is it real?" was odd. No Ollie, it's all in her head.

    Disappointed that Church is dead. Unless he is using Human Target .

    I guess it only took five years for people to realise that Oliver Queen was in fact alive and well in Russia. Would be interesting to see if this brought the Bratva back into the present day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDBentz View Post
    *coughs* That's actually my theory as far as how Tommy could be Prometheus.
    Ahh, well that makes sense then...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by costas22 View Post
    Not a particularly good episode, imo. It had potential to be very good, but there were a couple of issues that dragged it down.

    - One of those issues ended up being the Human Target. If he was used exclusively as Oliver's double, I would have been perfectly fine with it. Instead they shoehorned him in a couple of situations where he wasn't even needed: He was the one who strong armed Cullens (which should have been Mayor Queen's finest hour), he got involved in Oliver's love life and he (oh so conveniently!) ended up appearing in the flashbacks in the same episode. The latter was the latest in line of those ridiculous coincidences where something that occurs in the present day just so happens to occur in the same episode's flashbacks. And yes, the logic behind it was to have Susan get info on Oliver's Bratva days, but they could have found a less contrived way to make it happen.

    - The Church stuff was mostly ok. I don't mind that he exhibited some Bond villain stupidity in this episode, because I never had the highest regard for the character anyway. He was there as filler until the Prometheus storyline began to unravel and he outlived his usefulness. As for Prometheus, again, he did what he was supposed to do. I don't expect the show to start dropping major hints about his identity. Yet.

    - The Olicity stuff added nothing to this episode. Oliver once again showed the kind of maturity and understanding that we already knew he had in this relationship. However, this arc has done nothing to endear Felicity in my eyes. The fact that she lied about the relationship for months and didn't plan on telling Oliver until it was "real" makes her look hypocritical after all her diatribes about Oliver's lies? At the same time, I don't get Felicity's logic in this. She's been with this guy for a while now, they are sleeping together and she's still trying to figure if it's real? When did she plan on figuring out if it's real and telling Oliver? Once Billy proposed? Finally, while they slightly teased it, I doubt Oliver will be doing anything with Susan. The showrunners probably don't want to incur the wrath of the shippers any more.

    - Nice to see Diggle in a Team Arrow environment again. His scenes with Rene worked quite well I thought. All in all, I'm still not a fan of how bloated the team is this season. We are talking about 6 members on the street with Felicity calling the shots from the lair. And it doesn't help that, besides Ragman, the new recruits don't come across as remotely likeable.

    - The flashbacks, minus Human Target's convenient involvement, were fun again. Anatoly is a blast.

    5/10. Quite a rough week for the DCTV shows. Hopefully LoT will be a bit better tonight.
    My thoughts echo this post almost exactly. Especially the Human Target stuff at the end. So you're telling me that in all this time, no one has seen this picture and put two and two together but now all of a sudden when Chance gets involved, it comes to light. What kind of logic leads someone to look into an Oliver/Chance connection after the faked death stunt? It wasn't Oliver who pegged him in the first place, it was Diggle, right? And who was the guy who showed the pic to the reporter? Did he show up previously? At first I thought it was the DA guy taking a bribe. Seems wishy-washy, IMO.

    I liked the episode but that part left a bad taste in my mouth.

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    I managed to catch this one, simply because I didn't have anything else to do. I'm not the biggest fan of Arrow to begin with, so take my critiques with a grain of salt:

    - The Human Target bits were completely random. If I didn't know the significance of the character's crossover, I would have been totally confused by their use of him. A public figure like Oliver faking his death would also not be seen as a positive thing. It would be an enormous scandal that would get him recalled. This was tremendously contrived and fake.

    - The "art of politics" bits felt convenient and fake. The true art of politics is wheeling and dealing and the ability to compromise and form relationships to your benefit. When a Senator wants to get a bill passed, and someone from the other party is blocking it, the key to getting a deal done isn't to fall butt backwards into the luck of your opponent being corrupt and you being able to easily discover that fact when no one else could. While this event was framed as Oliver, a novice politician, learning how to act like a politician, it was actually just contrived blind luck. Not only is it poor and contradictory writing, but the promise of what they were going for was both a better story and a necessary one to show us that Oliver knows what he's doing or is at least figuring things out. Very poorly done.

    - I liked the Rene and Diggle bits, but again the writers found a way to cop out of substantial and real character growth. Rene dealing with his failure and pain... these are real things. Diggle, having been there, trying to help, is a real thing. Having Rene "think harder" and magically out of nowhere realize that the bad guy unwittingly revealed his entire plan is not. That is a fake thing. That lets Rene off the hook and allows the character to move past his shame without having a genuine realization, simply because he gleaned something useful. It would have meant more to the strength of the character if he had to do that without the contrivance that came out of nowhere because... once again... he thought harder.

    - Church was a terrible villain, so his death is equally meaningless. But so far, so is Prometheus. We have almost no information on his motives or goals, so the only thing we're going on is his power. The problem here is that his power is unearned. How does he defeat Church's police escort? We don't know, because they don't show it to us. It certainly isn't through cunning and guile, as one might expect, coming from someone who is basically just another archer at this point. No, he manages to wipe out the entire escort... just because. There's nothing terrifying or interesting about that. It doesn't make him a badass, it makes him omnipotent, and he'll continue to be until the very moment down the road where a script of an episode calls for Oliver to beat him. If they spent the time and effort to actually show Prometheus doing something interesting, using some sort of ingenious method of taking out the escort utilizing precision and tactics, then we start to understand why he's a threat. The method they chose was lazy. He killed them all because he can. He's dangerous because we said so.

    - Oliver's deal with the reporter was stupid. Asking one reporter to stop harassing you accomplishes nothing. There's about 8,000 more in a city ready to slam you. It's also unethical and bordering on illegal. He's bribing her with access. Good intentions or not, that scene is a depiction of corruption. It's a mayor trying to buy good press.

    So, yeah, I continue to not like Arrow.
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    Didn't it feel like they undersold Church's masked henchman a bit? I mean, he appeared and stopped an arrow from Prometheus and 20 minutes later he's killed off just like that. No further info on who he is or what his abilities are.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadow4486 View Post
    My thoughts echo this post almost exactly. Especially the Human Target stuff at the end. So you're telling me that in all this time, no one has seen this picture and put two and two together but now all of a sudden when Chance gets involved, it comes to light. What kind of logic leads someone to look into an Oliver/Chance connection after the faked death stunt? It wasn't Oliver who pegged him in the first place, it was Diggle, right? And who was the guy who showed the pic to the reporter? Did he show up previously? At first I thought it was the DA guy taking a bribe. Seems wishy-washy, IMO.
    That guy must have been a detective or a p.i. of sorts. Chance must have a reputation for faking deaths, because this guy immediately connected the dots and even Susan said that Oliver's "death" seemed like Chance's work. The photo was found when this guy looked into Chance's past operations. Like you, I'm also wondering how come no one else saw this photo earlier. This was typical "We'll go from A straight to Z" writing.

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    Wow. Nitpick much. I could literally watch any show, analyze it to death and find faults everywhere. But that's no fun. I'm not saying to just blindly enjoy what you watch, but come on.

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