Ratings were a .8 again...worst for a finale. The show needs changes...big time. Guggenheim has run it to the ground. Here's hoping the neg reviews and backlash and low ratings do the trick. He has no business running a green arrow show. Get Wendy mericles out as well. This show was so good prior to midseason 3
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Loved It? Hated It? What did you think of "Schism?"
Collapse
X
-
Ratings were a .8 again...worst for a finale. The show needs changes...big time. Guggenheim has run it to the ground. Here's hoping the neg reviews and backlash and low ratings do the trick. He has no business running a green arrow show. Get Wendy mericles out as well. This show was so good prior to midseason 3Comment
-
Yeah, I been pretty vocal about how I felt about Laurel getting killed off the show, but in my eyes, it changed nothing on this show. I mean, I felt like Laurel could be doing so much more on this show than say someone like Thea, whose arcs keep going around in circles. All Thea does is date guys, save for Roy, who end up getting killed off and whether she is right or wrong, acts like brat when dealing with her father. Thea is as useless as Donna on this show, so perhaps her breaking away from the team for a while is a good thing.......of course, depending on how long that is another story.Comment
-
You missed the part of my post where I said the execution was where they failed. My meaning of "on paper" = in theory aka in theory, it may have been a good idea to have Arrow face off against a villain who possesses powers beyond the team's ability to battle aka magic. On-screen, obviously they couldn't pull off what they wanted with their villain. A sin the Berlantiverse has also repeated, and more egregiously, with Zoom and Savage -- villains who began cool but were watered down in the writing by the finale.I would say The Flash got off lucky. They had to do some Firestorm build up, and their own crossover was meh but this is nothing compared to having Arrow stories sidelined in the first half of S4 to service LoT's set-up. Did we see 3-4 Flash episodes essentially surrendered just to prop up LoT's launch. No -- this happened primarily on Arrow. Again, you missed the part where I actually say: 'S4 as a whole suffered from the usual Berlantiverse sins of here-and-there plot and characterization issues and the frequent defaulting to melodrama' aka flaws of Arrow's own that it alone is responsible for. I never said LoT is responsible for all of Arrow's problems, as your post is insinuating. What I did say is that LoT is responsible for gutting chunks of Arrow's S4 content in the lead-up to the crossover/LoT prologue eps. and this had an impact on S4's quality as a whole. I consider them more LoT eps. than Arrow ones, since they had little to do with Arrow itself. With this interpretation, Arrow's season 4 got "chopped" by 3-4 episodes of content. Some fans are free to believe otherwise, excuse LoT for it, I just won't share that belief
As for the LoT-specific grievance I have re: Arrow S4, LoT will get no pass from me. It must share some responsibility for S4's flaws (Note: not all ... just in case this point was missed the first time) and we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
God bless you! God bless everyone!Comment
-
And another thing, as the season went on, those HIVE ghosts became big jokes in the fight scenes. From not knowing how to shoot guns properly to doing twirls and whirls in battles, lol.Comment
-
If I had my way I'd ban killing off any regulars off the show. Just killing someone is a lazy way of upping the consequences. If the show just flat out takes that off the table, they would be forced to be more creative and I think it would have been more satisfying all around. But instead they decided for whatever reason at the start of the season to kill someone in the cast.
I'd much rather lose a character whose absence doesn't really mess up the dynamic of the show than one that would take away something big in the long run. Killing Diggle, Felicity, or Thea would have IMO taken away too much. Quentin was the one I expected but his death would have had even less of an impact on the team (while also taking away a flavor that no one else on the show replicates.) Laurel would have been very upset but the rest of the team would have only been mildly affected.
Laurel's death wasn't so big that it will affect the dynamic of the show forever but it was big enough that it provided a lot of emotional fallout for the rest of the season. It likely won't be a big long term thing next season on Arrow but I do expect Laurel's death to strongly hit Sara over on LoT next year. So while no, I don't think Laurel's death on Arrow did much, that's likely one of the big reasons why they decided they could kill her and while killing Quentin on Arrow wouldn't have created a new storyline for Laurel to explore since they did the death of a loved one before for her, Sara's never been in that position before, so Laurel's death will create a new aspect to Sara's storyline.
God bless you! God bless everyone!Comment
-
If ARROW has an average of a .8 and 2.21 million viewers as it did for this episode, this show can go on for many, many years. THE CW seems pretty content with those type of numbers considering all the shows in their current lineup, that have worse ratings, are continually renewed.Last edited by 134sc; 05-26-2016, 08:08 PM.Comment
-
If ARROW has an average of a .8 and 2.21 million viewers as it did for this episode, this show can go on for many, many years. THE CW seems pretty content with those type of numbers considering all the shows in their current lineup, that have worse ratings, are continually renewed.Comment
-
Hey, I enjoyed this episode for what it was. I watch this show so much differently then I used to. Now it's just a silly, crazy, ridiculous comic book show. To me it's like The Flash, Legends or even Smallville. I really hope that next season though, they can get back to seasons 1 and 2, by minimizing the craziness and making the villain have a personal connection to Oliver and hopefully doing something different then destroying the city.
On a side note and I'm probably in the minority (like usual) I have enjoyed and appreciated Olivers journey over the course of the series.
Season 1: Oliver is ruthless and kills without hesitation. He is very, very dark.
Season 2: Oliver is still pretty ruthless, but will not kill unless absolutely necessary. He is fighting his darkness, but is on the path to the light
Season 3: Oliver will not kill unless absolutely necessary and wants to stop torturing (interogating) people. The lightness is there at the start, but recedes as the season goes on. At the end he has fully embraced the light and has let it back in
Season 4: Oliver does not torture anymore and will not kill unless absolutely necessary. The light is strong within him, but the darkness remains. He realizes that both sides of him may always be there but can be beneficial in his crusade.
If I had to guess season 5 will explore the dual sides of Oliver, but as the season goes on the light within him will over power the dark and thus his transition from The Hood to the Green Arrow will be complete. Any seasons beyond 5 will probably be full on Green Arrow. Also, doing it this way will provide great contrast to the flashbacks which will have Oliver on the cusp of becoming the Hood, while in present day he is literally doing the exact opposite.Last edited by 134sc; 05-26-2016, 08:45 PM.Comment
-
Hey, I enjoyed this episode for what it was. I watch this show so much differently then I used to. Now it's just a silly, crazy, ridiculous comic book show. To me it's like The Flash, Legends or even Smallville. I really hope that next season though, they can get back to seasons 1 and 2, by minimizing the craziness and making the villain have a personal connection to Oliver and hopefully doing something different then destroying the city.
On a side note and I'm probably in the minority (like usual) I have enjoyed and appreciated Olivers journey over the course of the series.
Season 1: Oliver is ruthless and kills without hesitation. He is very, very dark.
Season 2: Oliver is still pretty ruthless, but will not kill unless absolutely necessary. He is fighting his darkness, but is on the path to the light
Season 3: Oliver will not kill unless absolutely necessary and wants to stop torturing (interogating) people. The lightness is there at the start, but recedes as the season goes on. At the end he has fully embraced the light and has let it back in
Season 4: Oliver does not torture anymore and will not kill unless absolutely necessary. The light is strong within him, but the darkness remains. He realizes that both sides of him may always be there but can be beneficial in his crusade.
If I had to guess season 5 will explore the dual sides of Oliver, but as the season goes on the light within him will over power the dark and thus his transition from The Hood to the Green Arrow will be complete. Any seasons beyond 5 will probably be full on Green Arrow. Also, doing it this way will provide great contrast to the flashbacks which will have Oliver on the cusp of becoming the Hood, while in present day he is literally doing the exact opposite.
Now yes as time goes on there will be a for sure spilt between present day GA (even if just kill when needed) and the past which like you said is becoming The Hood.Comment
-
Hey, I enjoyed this episode for what it was. I watch this show so much differently then I used to. Now it's just a silly, crazy, ridiculous comic book show. To me it's like The Flash, Legends or even Smallville. I really hope that next season though, they can get back to seasons 1 and 2, by minimizing the craziness and making the villain have a personal connection to Oliver and hopefully doing something different then destroying the city.
On a side note and I'm probably in the minority (like usual) I have enjoyed and appreciated Olivers journey over the course of the series.
Season 1: Oliver is ruthless and kills without hesitation. He is very, very dark.
Season 2: Oliver is still pretty ruthless, but will not kill unless absolutely necessary. He is fighting his darkness, but is on the path to the light
Season 3: Oliver will not kill unless absolutely necessary and wants to stop torturing (interogating) people. The lightness is there at the start, but recedes as the season goes on. At the end he has fully embraced the light and has let it back in
Season 4: Oliver does not torture anymore and will not kill unless absolutely necessary. The light is strong within him, but the darkness remains. He realizes that both sides of him may always be there but can be beneficial in his crusade.
If I had to guess season 5 will explore the dual sides of Oliver, but as the season goes on the light within him will over power the dark and thus his transition from The Hood to the Green Arrow will be complete. Any seasons beyond 5 will probably be full on Green Arrow. Also, doing it this way will provide great contrast to the flashbacks which will have Oliver on the cusp of becoming the Hood, while in present day he is literally doing the exact opposite.
Ollie's journey is what I signed up to watch, and it's the alpha story arc that I pay attention to. As long as the show is called Arrow, it's the story that should always matter most.
The flashbacks are going to be pretty dark, it's unavoidable if they are ending with S1 Hood as its endgame and this will contrast with the positive things Ollie accomplishes as the mayor. His GA identity will mirror both light and dark sides of him.Comment
-
Good points. However, regarding your post about Quentin above: I'm pretty sure he was told that his suspension was no longer a suspension, but permanent. He said something like when he was told that, he found he didn't mind it as much despite having only ever wanted to be a cop all his life. I'd have to re-watch that scene to be sure, though.
And he did incriminate himself at the trial earlier in the season, for the greater good etc. but he still implicated himself with his Darhk association. I can understand why the SCPD would opt to terminate his service -- they can't have a police captain openly acknowledging collusion with a criminal of Darhk's high profile and still keep him on the force, no matter what the circumstances. It would be a political, face-saving move.
If we enter the speculation arena, it's possible that the police union opted not to contest the police board's decision to end Quentin's service. They could have fought it, but it would be an uphill battle with odds against him. Maybe they cut him a deal: the force will let him out clean, no demotion or further reprimands, let him keep his pension ... if he keeps mum about what he did while serving as Darhk's "mole". The stuff he admitted at trial is on public record, but maybe his exit from SCPD also means he agrees not to blab about it in a tell-all book or press interviews etc. Worst case scenario: he was terminated with just cause re: Darhk schemes, in addition to reprimand, maybe demotion of rank, dishonourable discharge and even loss of his pension.
Maybe they'll fill in the details in S5, but these are probably the explanations I'd run with if we hear nothing more about it.Comment
Comment