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    Loved It? Hated It? What did you think of "Powerless?"

    What did you think?

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    I really liked this episode a lot. It was like old school Arrow with mainly just Oliver , Felicity, Diggle and without Olicity being shoved down our throats. When they do this kinda of stuff this show can still be really good and I don't hate Felicity.

    The Bomb actually going off is interesting almost like at the end of Season 1 when the Earthquake machine actually went off.

    And now Dahrk is more powerful then ever and I have loved Dahrk this whole season a much better villain then Ra's was last season and it will be interesting to see how they stop him.

    I really liked last night's episode of the Flash but I think for me this episode of Arrow was overall better. Which hasn't been the case for a lot of episodes this season.

    I know they won't do this but if they would keep Oliver and Felicity apart then this show could still be at least as good as the Flash.

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    I agree this episode felt a lot like the first couple of seasons, especially the bomb going off. They were able to make the damage less than what was intended like disarming one of the earthquake machines. If or when they do put Oliver and Felicity back together they need to do it where the relationship is just a background storyline and not the main one. IMO when they focused too much on the relationship it hurt both characters. I do think the last three episodes of each season really deliver though.

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    It was a pretty good ep and it did feel more like a S2 ep. Plot-driven and action-oriented, it was a fun one.

    Lyla, as usual, was amazing and cool. She even had a great zinger about having to save the world with two guys in Halloween costumes. (Yes, Diggle, this is your green light to change that horrid mask. Just put on an army-issued balaclava already. I'm sure ARGUS has a spare one somewhere.)

    There was barely a peep on the melodrama front. We had Donna helping Quentin come to terms with Laurel's death, but this was a minor subplot. Noah trying to create a fatherly bond with Felicity during their mission was definitely awkward. He tried to make parallels between the Arrow's blurred moral boundaries and competing identities and his own and Ollie's response was apt: It doesn't work (or words to this effect).

    Another Thea-obsessed villain, this time in the form of Lonnie, came back with an axe to grind against Darhk. It wasn't that great a subplot, but at least he actually told her (paraphrasing here) not to be dependent on/at the mercy of other guys. Who'd have thought this nugget of wisdom would come from the face-fried wacko killer? And: [SPOILER]Did he actually kill Alex? Not surprised, as being in a ship with Thea is practically a death sentence.[/SPOILER]*

    The flashbacks are back. I guess the plus here is that Ollie and Reiter duke it out.

    Arrow should be the show where the consequences are real and can't be reset by magic, time travel or super-powered trickery. I was happy that the Team Arrow vs HIVE story was the main plot. The team's unavoidable break-in of Palmer Tech's labs, since [SPOILER]Felicity was drummed out the the company by -- of all things -- a board vote. Security escorted her out! [/SPOILER], was usual Team Arrow hi-jinks but outside of this, there was a lot of stage-setting not just for the finale but for what could potentially be spinning into S5.

    It looks like they're starting to have Ollie be the 'light' for his team, as we're seeing this now with his timely chat with Diggle not to give in to the darkness that obviously is consuming him re: Andy and his lying about it to Lyla. And after this episode, it'll be Felicity who will likely need someone to be a light for her going forward [SPOILER]She only managed to redirect the HIVE-launched nuke targeted at Monument Point -a big metropolis- and it still detonated over a small town. She saved millions but at the cost of wiping out tens of thousands of lives.[/SPOILER]. Great Scott, it was an eventful day for Felicity ... and it had nothing to do with secret sons or broken engagements.

    I read no spoilers about this ep., so the surprises were unexpected to me.

    *(Spoiler tags for the west coasters, DVR-ers.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smllvllfn View Post
    I agree this episode felt a lot like the first couple of seasons, especially the bomb going off. They were able to make the damage less than what was intended like disarming one of the earthquake machines. If or when they do put Oliver and Felicity back together they need to do it where the relationship is just a background storyline and not the main one. IMO when they focused too much on the relationship it hurt both characters. I do think the last three episodes of each season really deliver though.
    Agreed I don't have a problem with there relationship when it isn't the main focus of the story. But this is the CW and they love artificial relationship drama so they can never let a couple just be a couple without bs.

    And if they keep doing that and keep not listening to all the people who criticizes it I don't think this show will last much longer honestly. But if they can get back to the basics of why the show was so successful then I think they'll be OK.

    The question is whether or not they can swallow there pride and except this Olicity drama bs was a huge mistake?

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    It was a good episode and one that kind o felt a little more season 2 ish. Compared to last's week like where I'm hoping please don't let this be the new direction of the show this week kind of sets it's self back on course.

    Ok first, I did fast forward through all of the Quentin and Donna scenes along with mostly any Felicity scene not involving Oliver.

    Speaking of Felicity I am down right shocked, that the board actually removed Felicity for mis-use of funds if I'm correct or something along those lines. Looks like some of the stuff wasn't complete fan pandering and Mary Sue as I originally thought when it came to her in charge. I'm impressed and Felicty's response fits probably every single Olicty lover out there. Yea I know, it's shocking they actually knocked her down a peg.

    Also I'm not going to be the idiot who is going to give Felicity hate for that not so good missile change into killing those people. There was nothing she could do and it was a no win situation.

    Moving on

    Oliver and Diggle back in action with just the two of them is refreshing to see. Really not having Laurel around as a fourth mask, well I'm kind of glad she's not since it was getting over crowed. Having Oliver and Diggle as field members along with Thea and Felicity as Overwatch, yea I can live with that. (I've not changed my stance on Felicity but I can tolerate her in the show if the writing among other things work correctly)

    The action was surprisingly good in this episode and Oliver even shot multiple arrows.

    Seeing Thea run around was fun. Which poor Alex but he was Thea's boy friend so that's like being mayor in Star city or Joe's partner in Central. Lonnie Machin being the one to tell Thea, she can quit being a pawn in between men is something I have a feeling that will play into the remaining season 4 and 5.

    The flashbacks, ok where interesting a bit. But the problem is unlike season 1/2, they are to darn short.

    I have to give credit to the man who played Noah Cutter who did a good job.

    Lyla running around was fun. Which one thing I've really warmed up to is now Lyla being the director of ARGUS, since that works on so many different levels now.

    All in all it was an enjoyable episode and it's got me at least curious to see how this season is going to play out. More than I was a few episodes ago.

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    I went into this episode expecting to hate it because it had been touted as one of two that would focus on the Smoaks. Imagine my shock when I actually came to enjoy it. This was a character-centric episode for several of the auxiliary team and, yes, Felicity Smoak.

    So, summarizing the events: Team Arrow joins forces with Felicity’s dad and ARGUS to stop the launch of all nukes controlled by major powers in the present day while Oliver fights for his life in the flashbacks. Thea Queen finds herself the sole source of sanity, so to speak, in HIVE’s Ark. Now, let’s focus on those character development points:

    Felicity: Despite my dislike for the storyline of the character this season, I actually liked Felicity in this episode. Right off the bat she recognizes that she needs the help of her father in this situation, and they explain the reason for that rather than dilly-dallying. Felicity is also faced with the same consequences Oliver once faced when it comes to Palmer Tech and splitting her time between being Overwatch and being CEO of the company. I honestly didn’t expect the current Arrow writers to deal with this aspect, but I take a certain degree of smug satisfaction that even they recognized that what they had so far been doing was unrealistic. Finally, Felicity is faced with a life-altering choice near the end of the episode. No matter how you shake it, she had to choose to move the missile’s coordinates and is responsible of a ‘for the greater good’ choice for the first time I can think of in this show. That makes her a far more interesting character going forward, seeing as she is a very moral person and is not going to react well to having had to do that.

    Donna Smoak: When Donna was first introduced, she annoyed the hell out of me. Every time I would hear her squealing cry of welcome, I was like, “Oh, hell. . .” But once she became a more recurring character this season, she actually moved from the ‘annoying character that you wish would shut up and go away’ category and slowly became a more nuanced character. She’s still got her ditzy moments, but she has had a lot of growth this season, regardless of how one might want to claim the contrary. I am not sure how I feel about her being the voice of reason for Quentin in the way Felicity has, in a way, taken over as such for the majority of Team Arrow, but I like that she got Quentin to decide to tell the truth.

    Alex: A warning needs to be put out to all candidates for “love interest of a Queen Sibling.” Roy’s in hiding, Chase is dead (albeit for good reason), now Alex is dead when it comes to Thea’s side of things. On the other side of things, Shado and Taiana are dead, Sara’s died twice and is now gallivanting about the timeline, Laurel’s dead, Helena’s in prison (presumably) and the other two (McKenna and Felicity) have both been immobilized even though Curtis invented a miracle chip for Felicity. Ah, well, Alex was hardly a major character but the Queen family trail of wreckage when it comes to love interests had to be addressed.

    Thea Queen: Oh, look, another brief alliance with daddy dearest because your spiritual son is wreaking havoc on the Ark. And I’m still not sure if its this episode or the next one that is meant for Thea to have to make the choice between being a Queen and a Merlyn. Though I will say I liked Lonnie’s telling her that she needs to stop letting her life be defined by the men in it, whether its her boyfriends, her brother, or her father, and that she’s not a pawn to be ordered about, but a Queen who does as she wishes. Hoping to see some interesting storylines for Thea (presuming she makes it out of Season 4 alive).

    Not sure what about their conversation was supposed to shock Oliver when it comes to Noah.

    There was some decent humor in this (“I have so-and-so asking me if it comes down to a hacker, her criminal father, and two guys in Halloween costumes.” Paraphrased.) However, I have to dock it a point for the Russian commander thinking one of his underlings was playing a prank with the nuclear alarm. I don’t see military people doing that kind of thing, especially the ever-dour Russians.

    So, good humor, good character development, but there’s a time and place for amusing humor and a military base isn’t going to be one of them. Oh, and Oliver actually fired arrows this time, and stabbed through Brick’s arm, so that’s a big plus.

    All in all, 8/10. Not spectacular, and the Russian thing at the beginning gets a point dock.

    For those who were expecting a rant about it: I’ll be honest, there’s only so long you can stay angry at the show. Yes, they killed Laurel, and I’m still pissed at that. But I’m not going to let that color my reviews for Arrow despite my initial response to 4x18.

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    I think they voted to remove her because she wanted that implant design to be made affordable for people and the board didn't, at least that's how I was understanding it. Since Legends season ends a week before Arrow, if there isn't a big cliff hanger, it wouldn't surprise me if Sara and Ray make it back and Ray takes back the company and puts Felicity back in the driver's seat. Someone on Team Arrow needs to be able to fund what they do...lol.

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    Oh, and I didn't even address Malcolm: well, what can be said? Malcolm's been moving towards full-tilt villain this year and it looks like his alliance with Darhk has finally put him over that edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smllvllfn View Post
    I think they voted to remove her because she wanted that implant design to be made affordable for people and the board didn't, at least that's how I was understanding it. Since Legends season ends a week before Arrow, if there isn't a big cliff hanger, it wouldn't surprise me if Sara and Ray make it back and Ray takes back the company and puts Felicity back in the driver's seat. Someone on Team Arrow needs to be able to fund what they do...lol.
    This is correct. Mr. Dennis (aka the Corporate Stooge) said he and the board had serious concerns over the fact that she wanted to basically give the chip away at a low price. In other words, they're greedy a-holes and she's standing in their way. She has to go. Now, admittedly, this is what would happen in a business, so they at least made it real. Hopefully stuff like this will get Felicity and Oliver thinking about helping the little guy again in Season 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDBentz View Post
    This is correct. Mr. Dennis (aka the Corporate Stooge) said he and the board had serious concerns over the fact that she wanted to basically give the chip away at a low price. In other words, they're greedy a-holes and she's standing in their way. She has to go. Now, admittedly, this is what would happen in a business, so they at least made it real. Hopefully stuff like this will get Felicity and Oliver thinking about helping the little guy again in Season 5.
    Oh, that's actually the opposite of what I thought. Opps, some how I missed that but yea still glad they made it real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smllvllfn View Post
    I think they voted to remove her because she wanted that implant design to be made affordable for people and the board didn't, at least that's how I was understanding it. Since Legends season ends a week before Arrow, if there isn't a big cliff hanger, it wouldn't surprise me if Sara and Ray make it back and Ray takes back the company and puts Felicity back in the driver's seat. Someone on Team Arrow needs to be able to fund what they do...lol.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's more a move to free her up so that she can leave Star City at the end of the season. They basically did the same thing with Quentin. It was my based on nothing start of the season guess that the year would end with Felicity leaving but her being the CEO always made that hard to do. (Point of note, my season three based on nothing start of the season guess was that Oliver would quit being the Arrow so now I have people actually thinking I might be right, I'm just as curious)

    I've very annoyed that the show once again is equating being the CEO and owning the company. I can't deal with that insanity but if she had to lose the company at least it was for taking a noble stance. They already had the miracle battery, they really didn't need to make more money.
    There was some decent humor in this (“I have so-and-so asking me if it comes down to a hacker, her criminal father, and two guys in Halloween costumes.” Paraphrased.)
    Best part of that was it was POTUS (President of the United States) asking. Team Arrow has a fan club in high places.

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    Yes, I'm still not over them killing off Laurel and I probably will never be, but this isn't about that.


    More of Noah and less of Donna, please. Donna is a complete waste in this show, she does nothing for me. But, I really like Noah and his scenes with Felicity were really good. I can't stand the Olicity crap, but I can start to like Felicity again, if she's more like how she was in tonight's episode. And a big REALLY at Malcolm......REALLY, you need Thea's help to take down Anarky? LOL, Malcolm should wipe the floor with that guy, no problem.

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    It wasn't bad. Just flat out boring, as far as I'm concerned. I lost my interest in Darhk's storyline months ago and I never had any for the Kuttler/Smoak family to begin with. Some observations.

    - Maybe I'm too simple minded for some of this stuff but I had trouble keeping up with all the tech references. Not stating this as a negative on this show. Just a personal gripe against it and one of the reasons why I failed to stay interested.

    - Since when did this show become all about Felicity and her parents? The stuff with Noah was tolerable but, again, I could care less about her daddy issues. She's not who I am watching this show for. And of course, they had to squeeze in a scene where both Noah and Oliver admit how much they failed the all mighty Felicity!

    - Donna's portion was far more cringeworthy. You can tell where Felicity gets her "If you don't do as I tell, I'll pout until you do" boyfriend issues. What a pathetic and disgraceful way to use Quentin and Laurel's death. Oh and since when is Donna living in the house that belongs to Thea and Oliver? WTF! Oliver moved out last week so that Donna can move in?

    - Felicity gets canned as CEO? Good. They may have come up with the biostimulant excuse to make her look like the victim, but Mr Dennis was justified in his actions. She hasn't exactly looked like the most dedicated CEO we've ever seen. Of course, I don't expect this thing to stick. Ray will return in the season finale, bring her back as CEO and fire the evil Mr Dennis...

    - I was actually fine with Felicity's (aka this show's hero and the clear leader of Team Arrow) saving Monument Point, but at a cost. Not every situation is completely salvageable and I'm glad to see the show remember that here and there. Too bad that this will probably turn into a Felicity pity party where she questions whether she's a Kuttler or a Smoak (Wendy Mericle's words, not mine).

    - RIP Alex. You won't be missed.

    - The Thea stuff was pretty good. She's the only one I'm truly interested to see what the future holds for.

    - Diggle lying about Andy. Yawn!

    - The flashbacks were on par with the rest of the season's flashbacks.

    3/10.
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    That was ok even if there was a glaring error.

    There is no way Malcolm would be ok with Damien hiring the man that killed Malcolm's wife, who shaped the man he is today, who Malcolm tried to kill last season. Ridiculous.

    I'm surprisingly sad to see Alex go. He was just a good guy. If Oliver is about to become mayor, it would have been nice to see Alex working with him.

    I always love some Mrs Diggle.

    Too much Felicity although I'm glad she has been fired even though I doubt it will last. It will be like her paralysis. Blink and you miss it.

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