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    Took them long enough to drop a longer official-ish trailer. To me, the giant fleet of perfectly aligned Star Destroyers stood out the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsteroidMike View Post
    Took them long enough to drop a longer official-ish trailer. To me, the giant fleet of perfectly aligned Star Destroyers stood out the most.
    Looks ridiculous when seeing the Resistance Fleet is a few small X-wings and such. At least in Return of the Jedi the rebel fleet consisted of Admiral Ackbar's larger cruiser class ships as well as these smaller fighter class ships. I don't see how the Resistance would even stand a chance. Oh that's right, Leia can fly through space like Superman.

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    Current worldwide gross: $1,073,294,598. It's currently the 8th highest grossing movie of 2019. Prior to its release, I figured that it would end up in the top three grossing movies of 2019, when you look at the track record of recent Star Wars movies (not counting Solo): TFA (#1), Rogue One (#2) and TLJ (#1).* Sure, looking at Box Office Mojo, it's still grossing money, but it won't break into the top five grossing movies.

    The top five grossing movies of 2019:
    1) Avengers Endgame ($2,797,800,564).
    2) The Lion King ($1,656,943,394).
    3) Frozen II ($1,448,824,988)
    4) Spider-Man: Far From Home ($1,131,927,996).
    5) Captain Marvel ($1,128,274,794).

    * Not to mention the older movies: ANH (#1), ESB (#1), RotJ (#1), TPM (#1), AotC (#4), RotS (#2).
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    I saw a version of Episode 9 on Disney Plus. Was it the version that was shown on the screen? I don't know. It's a so-so movie. It would have a little bit better if it wasn't a Star Wars movie.

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    Yeah, it was that awful.

    But in this movie's defence, the previous 2 movies caused it to be so awful.

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    I just purchased this thing to finish the Skywalker saga. I simply skip the celebration scene. I'll never watch it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by costas22 View Post
    Yeah, it was that awful.

    But in this movie's defence, the previous 2 movies caused it to be so awful.
    This.

    WIth the dumpster fire that the episodes VII and VIII were, it'd have taken one hell of an effort and an awesome writer to come up with a great Episode IX. It's as if you were riding shotgun on a car, and the driver started driving at full speed towards a wall, only to hand you the wheel a mere 15 yards before said wall.

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    Rewatched the Star Wars Rebels episode "A World Between Worlds". Frankly, this movie should've taken inspiration from that. The whole thing writes itself: Kylo Ren (despite his whole "let the past die" speech in TLJ) is on a quest for another portal to this "world between worlds", to allow him to save the Emperor's life (during his fall, after Vader throws him) and bring him into the present (for whatever endgame Kylo has). The heroes set out to stop Kylo. Use this "world between worlds" to further explore the main trio, by having them see things from their pasts. The family that Finn was taken from. A Rey origin twist (a better one), if they want. Want to bring back a few dead characters? They could. Mace Windu, directly after he's thrown out of Palpatine's window. Han Solo, right after he's stabbed by Kylo Ren (and falls down the abyss). Introduce plot device (not force healing), to not only repair the fatal damage to Han's body, but perhaps rejuvinate Han. Resulting in Han transforming and looking young again (enter Alden Ehrenreich), while having the experiences of his older self (and now has do deal with suddenly seeing a 40-ish years younger man looking back at him, in the mirror. While also dealing with the news that Leia has passed away). It would've Allowed Lucasfilm, if they want, to do more Han Solo films. Without being dependent on Harrison Ford, or forced to make them prequels. Would've also given more weight to Solo A Star Wars Story. Suddenly, not just a random prequel, but them introducing the actor who'll be playing Han Solo from this point in the timeline.

    This is just me spitballing (right after rewatching an episode of television). A writers room, with months on their hands, would've been able to develop and improve the concepts.
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    Quite enjoyed the parody, in the most recent episode of Robot Chicken.

    Palpatine: "You despise me. And with your hatred..."
    Rey: "Despise you? We have no relationship whatsoever."

    They really hit the head on the nail with that one. People often talk about the "No, I am your father" twist, but there was more to it than a mere line. In A New Hope, Luke is told that Vader murdered his father. Mere hours later, Luke sees Vader strike down Obi-Wan (Luke's friend/mentor/father-figure). Empire Strikes Back takes place three years later. For three years, both Luke and the audience have believed that Vader killed Anakin Skywalker. For three years, Luke has hated Vader for killing both his father and Obi-Wan. Now... Luke (and the audience) is told that Vader, a man whom he hates, is his father. Shattering everything that Luke thought he knew.

    Compare that to the Rey and Palpatine reveal. They have no established relationship. Rey has never suffered at his hands. Rey has no prior expressed views (in TFA or TLJ) on Palpatine (who died long before she was born), that would cause her learning that she's related to him to turn her world upsidedown.

    Now, you don't need to have two characters have a pre-established relationship for a reveal to have an impact. I thought that the Tess reveal on Smallville worked (and she had never interacted with the Lionel Luthor (i.e. her father) from her Earth). However, there you first had 26-year-old Tess learn that she's adopted, something that she had never known (as her adopted parents had never told her). Suddenly learning that you're adopted can be a shocking revelation (and Tess is shown dealing with the newly discovered knowledge that her father abandoned her. She has regained the traumatic memory of Lionel leaving her at the orphanage). Then you have the fact that she learns that she's the daughter of Lionel Luthor... around the same time that she's been making friends with a bunch of people... who views Luthor blood (that she now knows is in her vains) as poison (and all with it as evil). Putting her in a position, where the reveal might damage or end her new friendships. Finally, while she has no past relationship with Lionel Luthor, she does have one with Lex. Lionel's son and her half-brother. So it is a revelation about someone, that Tess has an established, pre-existing relationship with (since before her season eight introduction). In fact, she once claimed to have loved Lex. If it was love in a romantic sense, she is now confronted with the revelation... that a man she once loved... is her half-brother. These are elements that turns a character's world upsidedown.

    Rey turning out to be Palpatine's grandkid (an obvious attempt to undue the reveal from the previous film (that Rey's parents were nobodies), that was met with backlash, and a sparked petition demanding that the film be rendered non-canon) is not that. Frankly, I didn't care. If anything, I found it disappointing, that they had to make her part of a special bloodline. A character shouldn't need to be the child or grandchild of someone to be important. Instead, they decided (in the eleventh hour) to make her the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine... wait... if her grandfather was an Emperor. Does that technically make Rey a Princess? I thought that (fictional) Princesses were a bad thing now (I'm not being sarcastic). I'm certain that I've seen some criticism over female characters being Princesses somewhere, but can't remember the specifics. Tried to Google it, but all that came up were stuff about Disney Princesses (of course, with Lucasfilm owned by Disney... Rey, if she is a Princess, technically is a Disney Princess), not feminist views on fictional Princesses in general.

    So, the big impact on the character of Rey is that... she's basically (if not outright) a Princess. She's also shown to have romantic feelings for Kylo Ren (even kissing him). A man who has spent an entire trilogy abducting her, telepathically violated her mind, beat her, tried to kill her, verbally abused her, tried to control her, manipulate her. Making her part of another tired (even dangerous) trope. He's done all of that crap to her, but "she knows that she can change him, with her love".
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