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    Also announced today is that episode 9's release date has been pushed back from 5/24/2019 to 12/20/2019.

    This delay was probably much needed considering the changes that have happened during pre production. Shooting originally was set to begin in January, which means the script had to be finalized in a rushed manner. Now they have more time to-hopefully-come up with a good story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backward Galaxy View Post
    Abrams directing is a good thing.

    Abrams writing is a bad thing.

    This should be interesting.
    I'm intrigued by Chris Terrio's role in this. If Abrams just comes up with the story and Terrio writes the screenplay, then it might work for the best. People seem to be confused by Terrio. He was praised for Argo, but he also bore part of the blame for BvS. I feel he can come up with a pretty coherent screenplay. After that, it all hinges on what Abrams makes if it as director.
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    Quote Originally Posted by costas22 View Post
    Also announced today is that episode 9's release date has been pushed back from 5/24/2019 to 12/20/2019.
    This now means that there will be a battle for the December 2019 Box Office with the Wonder Woman sequel being released just a week prior to Episode IX.

    I don't know which will flinch first and move their release date but, my money would be on Wonder Woman; SW is just on another level that no other movie can touch.

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    You know, I'm not sure I entirely get why people don't like JJ Adams writing. I've seen stuff from his Star Treck, to Star Wars and Person of Interest, and this dislike just doesn't make much sense to me.

    I've seen both his Star Treck films and I enjoy Star Wars Force Awakens without much issue. Really the only gripe I have with Star Treck into darkness off the top of my head, is he brought back the original Spock to basically explain how to defeat Kahn.

    Force Awakens, eh I get why people dislike the Starkiller base and compare it to the Death Star. That doesn't bother me all that much and not like the Empire isn't known for their love of planet destroying weapons. Really the only reason we even got a second Death Star is because Lucas had blown up the first one and instead of choosing to do something different just decided to build a second one to blow up yet again.

    Yeah I know they are called the First Order but guess growing up it will always be the Empire and Rebels to me.

    For me JJ Adams brought back Star Treck and Star Wars from the dead and updated them properly for a new Generation without screwing it up. That I give the guy credit for. Kind of ironically I think I've got bigger issues with George Lucas then I do JJ Adams.

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    JJ Abrams' writing tends to be charismatic and fast-paced, which somewhat covers up for the fact that it also tends to be derivative with large plot holes. It has more personality than genuine emotional resonance. It feels natural because he's excellent with dialogue, but often falls short the more you think about it.

    As a relatively minor example of what I'm talking about, remember how he had Leia hug Rey instead of Chewie at the end of TFA? A larger example would be how Spock screamed like an out of control maniac when Kirk died at the end of Into Darkness. Were either of those emotional beats truly earned? Did they make you cry? Did they make you feel the same way as Spock dying did in Wrath of Khan?

    JJ's characters all feel real, but there's a deeper emotional connection he never quite achieves in order to truly earn those moments, despite them being there. It's almost like watching strangers cry. You believe they're sad, but you don't always feel their sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggard01 View Post
    For me JJ Adams brought back Star Treck and Star Wars from the dead and updated them properly for a new Generation without screwing it up. That I give the guy credit for. Kind of ironically I think I've got bigger issues with George Lucas then I do JJ Adams.
    That's not unusual. I think there are people out there who have more issues with Lucas than they do with their dysfunctional parents. For me, Lucas deserves criticism for the shortcomings of the prequels, but he deserves more praise for the size and popularity of this franchise. The creation and expansion of the SW universe over the past 40 years is why it's so popular to this day. Which is why I would respectfully disagree that JJ brought it back from the dead. IMO a 7th movie (especially with Han, Luke and Leia back) would have been highly successful no matter who was at the helm.

    Anyway, I wouldn't say JJ's writing lacks in general. After all, he wrote Regarding Henry which is a terrific movie, IMO. But for whatever reason, the way he wrote (or co-wrote, to be fair) TFA left him open to criticism. It was just way too similar to A New Hope, among other things. BG's point about the emotional beats is also valid and I would just add that his handling of Kylo Ren wasn't the greatest. Nothing wrong with a villain not being the finished article, but when he's so petulant that he draws laughs from the audience, something has gone very wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by darkphoenix21 View Post
    This now means that there will be a battle for the December 2019 Box Office with the Wonder Woman sequel being released just a week prior to Episode IX.

    I don't know which will flinch first and move their release date but, my money would be on Wonder Woman; SW is just on another level that no other movie can touch.
    My money would be on WW as well. In a way it's become the DCEU's flagship, so they want to give it every chance of succeeding. Plus, no one would make a big deal out of the change, seeing as DCEU movies get moved around all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by costas22 View Post
    Abrams to write and direct Episode IX:

    http://www.starwars.com/news/j-j-abr...c%7C1069686719

    Not sure how original his script will be, but at least there will some continuity within the trilogy.
    Remake of Return of the Jedi, another Death Star, Ewoks........
    JJ has no imagination. Examples-Star Trek Into Crap, er, Darkness and The Force Awakens. How many more
    franchises can he just remake a classic and a majority of the fans call it great?!?
    I guess that I'm done with Star Wars. Thanks, Kathleen and Disney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward Galaxy View Post
    I mean... How interesting was Palpatine in Jedi? He was just this evil old dude who shot lightning out of his hands. Vader didn't even get too compelling until ESB. It sounds like you're going in with your mind made up. There will be plenty of time to complain about this thing after we see it.
    Emperor Palpatine got his introduction in the prequels which would have been made in 1977 had George Lucas had the technology to do what he wanted. Snoke will have no such introduction unless Disney makes Episodes VI 1/4, VI 1/2, and VI 3/4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glove View Post
    Emperor Palpatine got his introduction in the prequels which would have been made in 1977 had George Lucas had the technology to do what he wanted. Snoke will have no such introduction unless Disney makes Episodes VI 1/4, VI 1/2, and VI 3/4.
    You're missing or ignoring the point. The OT didn't suffer from Palpatine being an underdeveloped mustache-twirler because his backstory was irrelevant to that story. If the prequels had never been made, we wouldn't be complaining that the Emperor ruined ROTJ.

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