Supernatural: Bloodlines (Was Tribes, Spin-off Series, #9.20 Backdoor Pilot)

[waynedeath1047]

Ok I gotta say, I loved this episode, I really hope bloodlines gets picked up, cuz I think it will be awesome, it'll be a different show to supernatural like dabb has said, and that's why it will work. It won't be better than supernatural, cuz supernatural is my favourite show, but I think it has really great potential. I know a lot of supernatural fans hate it, but so what, I think it will attract new fans who don't watch supernatural, and I for one will defo be watching it. But people who don't like it, I hope they don't give people who do like it a load of crap about it, cuz we all have different taste, and if you don't like it, don't watch it. Simple.

Eh, we're all nerds here man. We all like things that most people hate so it would be pretty hypocritical to slam people for liking this of all things. I'm just very vocal in not seeing the same qualities in it that you do more so in an effort to see if you can convince me otherwise. I just feel this was painful to watch and I don't think I can go through this all again for 10 seasons.

[Anno_Domini]

Then don't sit through it for ten seasons, lol. I can't promise that I could sit through ten seasons of Bloodlines, but I'd like to see where it's going for sure. Lately, I've gotten hope in that Andrew Dabb went right to Eric Kripke about the spin-off. If it's got that man's approval, I could see some great things happening to the spin-off. "Bloodlines" the episode was a decent start, but it had so much going for it that I'll be glad to see how it all slowly pans out with the new series.

[Anno_Domini]

Well, people liked the backdoor pilot episode as much as people hated it and the latter group got their wish as the CW passed on the Bloodlines spin-off. I hope we get to enter that world sometime during season ten though and at least go through those storylines in a mini arc.

[SuperSheltie]

Well, at least they picked up the show about an artificially inseminated virgin.....

[Anno_Domini]

What can I say…the CW always takes two steps forward and three steps back. You can probably tell which step it was with moving "Jane the Virgin" to series, lol.

[gmster]

THR notes that The CW is still open to the idea of a spin-off, down the line.

[waynedeath1047]

I just don't think the Bloodlines idea was fleshed out enough to give it a fighting chance. They had so much back history with monsters, especially the things that make them interesting, as well as characters like The Alpha Vampire and what not to work with and they decided to go with what they did and it just wasn't very compelling at all. I didn't care about once character in the episode and I thought the acting was terrible and the plot predictable. It was the very definition of a filler episode. Unmemorable in the least. They could have changed the game but they decided to go par for the course.

If they wanted to do something interesting with monsters they should have had them organizing against and on the offensive against Angels, demons, and hunters after the devastation they caused in season 6 and 7 to their kind. Instead of having another group of hunters why not have a group of resistance monsters and have them play on the audience's sympathies instead? Maybe look for a way to avoid purgatory because it isn't their fault they are what they are or something that takes away the automatic disdain we are meant to have for them because Hunters = Good and Monsters = Bad. Look at how well this show can do that with demons like Meg and Crowley and Angels like Cas and Gabriel. And a Vampire like Benny. Benny could have carried his own show easily. Wasted opportunities and terrible contrived writing will get you nowhere.

[taftvalue]

^so much this

[Anno_Domini]

THR notes that The CW is still open to the idea of a spin-off, down the line.

I would hope that there are no more spin-off ideas. The one thing I liked about Bloodlines is that they were new characters and I wouldn't want to see any spin-off ideas using characters that are well known to the mother ship already.

I just don't think the Bloodlines idea was fleshed out enough to give it a fighting chance. They had so much back history with monsters, especially the things that make them interesting, as well as characters like The Alpha Vampire and what not to work with and they decided to go with what they did and it just wasn't very compelling at all. I didn't care about once character in the episode and I thought the acting was terrible and the plot predictable. It was the very definition of a filler episode. Unmemorable in the least. They could have changed the game but they decided to go par for the course.

If they wanted to do something interesting with monsters they should have had them organizing against and on the offensive against Angels, demons, and hunters after the devastation they caused in season 6 and 7 to their kind. Instead of having another group of hunters why not have a group of resistance monsters and have them play on the audience's sympathies instead? Maybe look for a way to avoid purgatory because it isn't their fault they are what they are or something that takes away the automatic disdain we are meant to have for them because Hunters = Good and Monsters = Bad. Look at how well this show can do that with demons like Meg and Crowley and Angels like Cas and Gabriel. And a Vampire like Benny. Benny could have carried his own show easily. Wasted opportunities and terrible contrived writing will get you nowhere.

After season six, monsters were looked on as "garbage" to beings like angels and demons, so I don't think a show like that could work with using a resistance of monsters against those kinds of threat. If season six were different, or if monsters were actually looked on as a threat, then I could see it making some sense, imo. Before the sixth season, I could see monsters having their say for once but they were made out to be extremely weak.

[waynedeath1047]

All the more reason to build them back up as a force to be reckoned with. I think the leviathan story line even though we may disagree on how intimidating they were really showed what a monster could do with the right mindset. Even the werewolf cult storyline from earlier this season would be interesting if they told it right. See, that's the only thing that this spinoff had going for it and at the same time didn't take it nearly far enough. The whole 5 monster families were obviously monsters who were smart enough to beat the system. But there was really no x-factor to what their endgame as monsters of crime would be. Now sure, I suppose we would have ti have watched more in order to grasp that concept but there was just nothing more I wanted to see.

At the end of the day monsters are just humans with powers. We have seen good monsters before. I don't see why a band of wayward monsters who have a purpose couldn't work even in the aftermath of season 6. I am just not convinced someone couldn't amp them up with the right direction. If they did I would certainly like 12 out of 23 episodes per season a whole hell of a lot more.

[Austin 3:16]

Im thinking maybe there being 5 monster families was too much. They should have started slower and then could have expanded later on. It was a lot to take in for a backdoor pilot u know?

[Anno_Domini]

All the more reason to build them back up as a force to be reckoned with. I think the leviathan story line even though we may disagree on how intimidating they were really showed what a monster could do with the right mindset. Even the werewolf cult storyline from earlier this season would be interesting if they told it right. See, that's the only thing that this spinoff had going for it and at the same time didn't take it nearly far enough. The whole 5 monster families were obviously monsters who were smart enough to beat the system. But there was really no x-factor to what their endgame as monsters of crime would be. Now sure, I suppose we would have ti have watched more in order to grasp that concept but there was just nothing more I wanted to see.

At the end of the day monsters are just humans with powers. We have seen good monsters before. I don't see why a band of wayward monsters who have a purpose couldn't work even in the aftermath of season 6. I am just not convinced someone couldn't amp them up with the right direction. If they did I would certainly like 12 out of 23 episodes per season a whole hell of a lot more.

"Building them back up" would do more harm than good. After seeing the Alphas and how just of a minor threat they were, the series will never look believable with trying to build them up as threats, ever. Maybe in the first couple of seasons while we've only gotten to demons and the majority that Sam and Dean had to deal with were monsters, but now having gotten to delve into the demon hierarchy, angels and even Leviathans, it would be laughable for the series to actually try to make the monsters much more of a threat than they are now.

The way you were with Bloodlines, I'd be with this idea for a spin-off, lol.

[Anno_Domini]

Im thinking maybe there being 5 monster families was too much. They should have started slower and then could have expanded later on. It was a lot to take in for a backdoor pilot u know?

I think Andrew Dabb had a feeling that they would get green lit for a series with the idea so he decided to just push everything into the backdoor pilot, but now it hurts the mother ship series with such an odd episode unless they enter that world again in season ten.