"But it will matter because every event/episode in the show lead him to where he ended in the finale".
Exactly; every event in the show made Lex the man he became. Lex is still that same man, only he doesn't remember why he is. Clark--and the audience--have the advantage over Lex of knowing what made him become who he is, but Lex doesn't. That doesn't mean he's not the same Lex. Simply that he can't figure out why he is the way he is, or why he does the things that he'll continue to do.
"Me personaly I wished it was the mind control formula made from Chloe's mother's DNA but a new batch that has the person carry out the command forever and Tess's command would be "I want you to forget all you know about Clark Kent" and in the flashes Lex sees the ones with Clark he's still there but his face is blured then Lex looks down at a dead Tess and his last words are "who was the alien traveler?"
Great idea, jester! I would've preferred something like that as well. Because even if we disagree with Boyscout about his take on the mind wipe, he definitely makes valid points and the execution could've definitely been handled a lot better. That being said though, I agree with you that the wipe was meant to show us that Lex will still be Lex but just can't remember why, like we've been saying. And I agree with you about how epic the scene was overall!
"The difference with the other mindwipes on the show as I have mentioned many times is that we saw the characters gaining their memories back and continue on their path."
Good point, Boyscout. But then again, we're given iconic President Lex. Doesn't that suggest he's back on his path? I know we disagree about this, but what else would be the point of showing him as President Lex?
"Lex forgot Clark's secret but he didn't forget about Clark. There's a huge difference if one of the show's main reasons to exist was to show how friends end up hating each other. Now Lex doesn't hate Clark, he can't, because he can't remember him."
But he can hate Superman and probably would feel the same emotions but just toward Superman and not Clark. Why else would they give us a scene like the final one between Clark and Lex that greatly foreshadows the future relationship? I think we're meant to believe that he and Superman will share a similar one, even if Lex can't put his finger on the specifics of why he feels this way about Superman.
"He can't be bitter about losing Lana (own fault but still) because to him she doesn't exist. His hatred for his father and how Lex killed him isn't present to shape his future decisions because it's wiped away...burnt like the scene showed us."
But again Lex still becomes the same Lex, as we're shown in the epilogue. Surely all these things made him the man he is. Here's how I see the mind wipe: rather than it changing Lex's personality and decision-making, it simply made it so that Lex would not understand WHY he does the things he does...but he will continue to do them. Again it's like the Joker in "The Killing Joke" or even real life killers with repressed memories like Ted Bundy. They don't always understand why they are such evil people because their memories are repressed, but they still continue to do the same evil things because of how deeply their past influenced them.
"We agreed that Lex's personality would remain the same and Lex is left with the things he choose in Lexmas money and power,plus he doesn't have the Clark influence and he already killed the good side of his mind. so to me if we use the mental picture they used in fracture the only one left in Lex's mind is the evil Lex "
Exactly, Lex chose money and power, he burnt the good side of his mind, and now Clark's influence is also gone as well. He's basically left with all the dark choices he made even if he can't remember why he made them, and why he will continue to make them over and over.
"In any case I'm interested in seeing how Lex will act with BQM writing the comic. Will it be like comic book Lex, Smallville Lex or something in between?"
Great question, BoyScout! I think he'll be somewhere in between. If my theory (and jester's) proves correct, then I think Lex will be a continuation of Smallville Lex but just won't remember the specifics that made him this way. I think that will lead him to also become a bit like comic book Lex too where he'll hate Superman but--because he doesn't remember WHY he hates him--will start to come up with more and more justifications for his hatred. Philosophical justifications like Lex in "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" for instance.
"This is still up for debate? The finale made it very clear that the real Lex was dead and this was a composite clone, created from the best parts of his imperfect clones (only the heart could not be cloned perfectly). "
They never said Lex was dead in "Finale" though. Lionel simply said that he grafted the best pieces of his clones together to "create a masterwork". Then we're shown Lex with a burnt hand...I took that to mean that this was the original Lex who was severaly injured and suffered terrible burns (from the truck explosion? Or ice burn from the Fortress? still not sure on this one but the Fortress seems more like it...) and that's why he's been working all these years on piecing together the best clone parts to recreate himself. IMO.
Exactly; every event in the show made Lex the man he became. Lex is still that same man, only he doesn't remember why he is. Clark--and the audience--have the advantage over Lex of knowing what made him become who he is, but Lex doesn't. That doesn't mean he's not the same Lex. Simply that he can't figure out why he is the way he is, or why he does the things that he'll continue to do.
"Me personaly I wished it was the mind control formula made from Chloe's mother's DNA but a new batch that has the person carry out the command forever and Tess's command would be "I want you to forget all you know about Clark Kent" and in the flashes Lex sees the ones with Clark he's still there but his face is blured then Lex looks down at a dead Tess and his last words are "who was the alien traveler?"
Great idea, jester! I would've preferred something like that as well. Because even if we disagree with Boyscout about his take on the mind wipe, he definitely makes valid points and the execution could've definitely been handled a lot better. That being said though, I agree with you that the wipe was meant to show us that Lex will still be Lex but just can't remember why, like we've been saying. And I agree with you about how epic the scene was overall!
"The difference with the other mindwipes on the show as I have mentioned many times is that we saw the characters gaining their memories back and continue on their path."
Good point, Boyscout. But then again, we're given iconic President Lex. Doesn't that suggest he's back on his path? I know we disagree about this, but what else would be the point of showing him as President Lex?
"Lex forgot Clark's secret but he didn't forget about Clark. There's a huge difference if one of the show's main reasons to exist was to show how friends end up hating each other. Now Lex doesn't hate Clark, he can't, because he can't remember him."
But he can hate Superman and probably would feel the same emotions but just toward Superman and not Clark. Why else would they give us a scene like the final one between Clark and Lex that greatly foreshadows the future relationship? I think we're meant to believe that he and Superman will share a similar one, even if Lex can't put his finger on the specifics of why he feels this way about Superman.
"He can't be bitter about losing Lana (own fault but still) because to him she doesn't exist. His hatred for his father and how Lex killed him isn't present to shape his future decisions because it's wiped away...burnt like the scene showed us."
But again Lex still becomes the same Lex, as we're shown in the epilogue. Surely all these things made him the man he is. Here's how I see the mind wipe: rather than it changing Lex's personality and decision-making, it simply made it so that Lex would not understand WHY he does the things he does...but he will continue to do them. Again it's like the Joker in "The Killing Joke" or even real life killers with repressed memories like Ted Bundy. They don't always understand why they are such evil people because their memories are repressed, but they still continue to do the same evil things because of how deeply their past influenced them.
"We agreed that Lex's personality would remain the same and Lex is left with the things he choose in Lexmas money and power,plus he doesn't have the Clark influence and he already killed the good side of his mind. so to me if we use the mental picture they used in fracture the only one left in Lex's mind is the evil Lex "
Exactly, Lex chose money and power, he burnt the good side of his mind, and now Clark's influence is also gone as well. He's basically left with all the dark choices he made even if he can't remember why he made them, and why he will continue to make them over and over.
"In any case I'm interested in seeing how Lex will act with BQM writing the comic. Will it be like comic book Lex, Smallville Lex or something in between?"
Great question, BoyScout! I think he'll be somewhere in between. If my theory (and jester's) proves correct, then I think Lex will be a continuation of Smallville Lex but just won't remember the specifics that made him this way. I think that will lead him to also become a bit like comic book Lex too where he'll hate Superman but--because he doesn't remember WHY he hates him--will start to come up with more and more justifications for his hatred. Philosophical justifications like Lex in "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" for instance.
"This is still up for debate? The finale made it very clear that the real Lex was dead and this was a composite clone, created from the best parts of his imperfect clones (only the heart could not be cloned perfectly). "
They never said Lex was dead in "Finale" though. Lionel simply said that he grafted the best pieces of his clones together to "create a masterwork". Then we're shown Lex with a burnt hand...I took that to mean that this was the original Lex who was severaly injured and suffered terrible burns (from the truck explosion? Or ice burn from the Fortress? still not sure on this one but the Fortress seems more like it...) and that's why he's been working all these years on piecing together the best clone parts to recreate himself. IMO.
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