I think "A contract is a contract is a contract....but only between Ferengi" is actually quite applicable too, especially that last bit
Of course - I forgot that part, sorry
Really interesting theory; I read a bit of your discussion on this thread before too, and it's a fascinating angle.
What I'm not quite able to reconcile about Clark changing this is the question, can he really change fate? Either he can or he can't, but in some respects he is bound as tightly as everyone else by this thing called fate, and cannot escape it. We actually only have Jordan Cross' word that he *can* change fate (or do we.... I may have missed some point on this)
Humans like neat boxes. It helps us to manage a world that defies logic and sense sometimes, and lets us try to process a vast amount of information (some psyhologists would call the boxes 'schema' or 'schemata', I believe) I've never actually discussed much sci-fi outside of SV but I would suggest the pre-determined fates of the characters, backed by decades of comic fandom, leads people to seek to confirm a juxtaposition of 'good' Superman and bad' Lex. In effect, those characters are lugging a lot of meta-textual baggage arouund with them
It would be interesting to compile a list of 'bad' things Lex did, in terms of general morality, and in terms of actual crimes, over the years. There'd obviously be room for debate though
Oh definitely - that would have been, for me, the moment for Clark to legitimately start to really dislike Lex, rather than the half-baked reasons he apparently had before
I can't help it - I like season 1-3, the classic Clex years when everything was bright and pretty and you could believe they had a chance Not to say that I don't find what I saw of the other seasons intruiging, just that I love those early years
Well, there you go - I've only watched about two thirds of the season 6 episodes, and often fast-forwarded bits, so obviously I got that wrong - apologies. My issue with his acts in this season though are still part of the whole 'means to an end' thing. I think some of what he did, from what I saw and you describe, did do harm to the cloned entities and others. I also don't subscribe to saying that because he could have done worse, he didn't do harm. (I'm not saying you're saying that, btw, it was just what you mentioned about how he *could* have taken over the world )
Ehhhhhh.... We'll have to disagree on this - I don't see how the fact that Lana can be manipulative on one level means what Lex did wasn't a big deal.
I saw the killing as 'accidental' in a way too, but it was still not a positive act. A similar act would be what he did to Duncan....except in that case, he had a lot less to do with the 'death' (which wasn't really a death as it turns out).
I don't see her thinking like that, and I don't know any women who think like that about men in real life either (sure, I've seen sexist remarks on the internet, but those go both ways, sadly). I firmly believe that making someone think they're pregnant by feeding them drugs, and then making them think they've miscarried is way beyond playing the Luthor game, and certainly not what Lana expected in the 'chess game' she entered. I also think that that alone was reason enough for Lana to detest him. I didn't even see it as particularly clever on Lex's part, but rather born of sheer desperation.
There could be an element on Lana's part (following these events) that made her angry she hadn't been able to 'win the game' though, but I don't believe that was the main reason. I think she assumed Lex would have no qualms about destroying people considering what he did to her (she only full-out hated him after the baby revelation - for example, when she left him to die in Nemesis) and with that always on her mind, she wouldn't be able to see any future 'good' he did or would do.
Oh yeah, I agree she was scared of herself, and I think she ended up almost split in three by trying to exist as the sweet farmer's wife, the business woman, and the last line of defense against Lex (in her mind, anyway!)
Of course - I forgot that part, sorry
Really interesting theory; I read a bit of your discussion on this thread before too, and it's a fascinating angle.
What I'm not quite able to reconcile about Clark changing this is the question, can he really change fate? Either he can or he can't, but in some respects he is bound as tightly as everyone else by this thing called fate, and cannot escape it. We actually only have Jordan Cross' word that he *can* change fate (or do we.... I may have missed some point on this)
Humans like neat boxes. It helps us to manage a world that defies logic and sense sometimes, and lets us try to process a vast amount of information (some psyhologists would call the boxes 'schema' or 'schemata', I believe) I've never actually discussed much sci-fi outside of SV but I would suggest the pre-determined fates of the characters, backed by decades of comic fandom, leads people to seek to confirm a juxtaposition of 'good' Superman and bad' Lex. In effect, those characters are lugging a lot of meta-textual baggage arouund with them
It would be interesting to compile a list of 'bad' things Lex did, in terms of general morality, and in terms of actual crimes, over the years. There'd obviously be room for debate though
Oh definitely - that would have been, for me, the moment for Clark to legitimately start to really dislike Lex, rather than the half-baked reasons he apparently had before
I can't help it - I like season 1-3, the classic Clex years when everything was bright and pretty and you could believe they had a chance Not to say that I don't find what I saw of the other seasons intruiging, just that I love those early years
Well, there you go - I've only watched about two thirds of the season 6 episodes, and often fast-forwarded bits, so obviously I got that wrong - apologies. My issue with his acts in this season though are still part of the whole 'means to an end' thing. I think some of what he did, from what I saw and you describe, did do harm to the cloned entities and others. I also don't subscribe to saying that because he could have done worse, he didn't do harm. (I'm not saying you're saying that, btw, it was just what you mentioned about how he *could* have taken over the world )
Ehhhhhh.... We'll have to disagree on this - I don't see how the fact that Lana can be manipulative on one level means what Lex did wasn't a big deal.
I saw the killing as 'accidental' in a way too, but it was still not a positive act. A similar act would be what he did to Duncan....except in that case, he had a lot less to do with the 'death' (which wasn't really a death as it turns out).
I don't see her thinking like that, and I don't know any women who think like that about men in real life either (sure, I've seen sexist remarks on the internet, but those go both ways, sadly). I firmly believe that making someone think they're pregnant by feeding them drugs, and then making them think they've miscarried is way beyond playing the Luthor game, and certainly not what Lana expected in the 'chess game' she entered. I also think that that alone was reason enough for Lana to detest him. I didn't even see it as particularly clever on Lex's part, but rather born of sheer desperation.
There could be an element on Lana's part (following these events) that made her angry she hadn't been able to 'win the game' though, but I don't believe that was the main reason. I think she assumed Lex would have no qualms about destroying people considering what he did to her (she only full-out hated him after the baby revelation - for example, when she left him to die in Nemesis) and with that always on her mind, she wouldn't be able to see any future 'good' he did or would do.
Oh yeah, I agree she was scared of herself, and I think she ended up almost split in three by trying to exist as the sweet farmer's wife, the business woman, and the last line of defense against Lex (in her mind, anyway!)
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