But we're not talking about an mustache twirler, we're talking about any villain who's not portrayed as a hero in certain circumstances. Which so far, Lex, Doomsday, Zod and Metallo now have been. They have all saved people's lives. How are we supposed to get on board with the fight against them in we sort of agree with them most of the time?
See this is exactly my problem. People seem to think that in order to not make the villain cliched, they need to make him sympathetic... well that's just a cop out for writers who can't be inventive with their villains, and now, the sympathetic villain IS the cliched.
Love Toyman. Also the only fanfiction i'm reading at the moment has toyman as the villain. VILLAIN!
But Metallo, as i've seen him in other interpretations, IS a villain. A very angry at Superman, psycho villain.
Exactly. And it's causing us to start hating our main characters. When half the main cast are saying about Doomsday 'yes there is good in him, but he's too dangerous to be allowed to live on earth' and the other half are saying 'no I have to save him at all costs.'
This is a very supermanly arguement, don't get me wrong. But it never should have been projected onto a character like Doomsday, who truly is too dangerous to be allowed to live. What would the justice league have done when they first met Doomsday in the comics, if they'd found out that he was actually a man under all that monster? Would they have stopped trying to kill him? NO! They were fighting for their lives!
Why do villains have to be one dimensional if they aren't 'good'?
In the real world, we have serial killers who do it just for the feeling of power, rapists who simply hate women, people who abuse and kill children, and people who like to torture their victims to see pain.
I wonder if they all think what they are doing is right?
I find it hard to view them as villains, because they have at times been portrayed as heros. Lex has done some very heroic things throughout the series. And Zod this year has been portrayed as a great war hero, and got shot trying to save one of his people from a maniac.
Completely agree. Loved Metallo, probably my second favourite Superman villain because he is such a threat to Clark. I remember posting about this the first time around, when Clark defeated him so easily I felt cheated. In STAS, Metallo beats him to deaths door. In Smallville, a necklace can bring Clark to his knees, but a man who is literally running on kryptonite can't do any damage?
When they said he was coming back i sutupidly got excited again, thinking maybe this time he'd
be done a bit better. But no, it was much much worse.
Which is all well a good in a way, but this is a story we are telling. And not just any story, but a Superhero story.
Superheros have villains, that they fight. They also have an arch nemesis, whom they usually hate. They have a moral code and they have their own view on the world and on people, but that doesn't mean that they are always right, or that other people don't have different views.
If a show about Superman simply had Clark meeting bad people and then helping them turn good, it wouldn't be entertaining, it'd be almost spiritual.
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The point is, that it's very hard to get excited about the finale, when I can't really see a big fight. I can see a big 'conversation'.
I would just love it if we could see something else for a change. I'd love too have a villain that Clark actually HATED because of events throughout the season. Yes, Superman is allowed to be angry at people, he's allowed to hate people. He just doesn't kill them. He sticks to his principles despite his emotions. He's not as violent about his hate as Batman, but he's still capable of bearing it.
At this point we are running out of villains. And every time a Superman villain has been on the show, i've been highly dissapointed by the amount 'conversations' compared to 'fights'.
A villain can have his reasons. He can have had a terrible past, we can all almost understand why he is the way he is. Or he can be someone we simply can't understand. Someone who has lived their life with no conscience, and simply does not value human life. Either way, the only thing that's important in the present is that what they are doing is TRULY VILLANOUS.
Which I have to say, no one is. Not a single person this year has yet done anything truly villainous. It's all 'to save the world'.
See this is exactly my problem. People seem to think that in order to not make the villain cliched, they need to make him sympathetic... well that's just a cop out for writers who can't be inventive with their villains, and now, the sympathetic villain IS the cliched.
Love Toyman. Also the only fanfiction i'm reading at the moment has toyman as the villain. VILLAIN!
But Metallo, as i've seen him in other interpretations, IS a villain. A very angry at Superman, psycho villain.
Exactly. And it's causing us to start hating our main characters. When half the main cast are saying about Doomsday 'yes there is good in him, but he's too dangerous to be allowed to live on earth' and the other half are saying 'no I have to save him at all costs.'
This is a very supermanly arguement, don't get me wrong. But it never should have been projected onto a character like Doomsday, who truly is too dangerous to be allowed to live. What would the justice league have done when they first met Doomsday in the comics, if they'd found out that he was actually a man under all that monster? Would they have stopped trying to kill him? NO! They were fighting for their lives!
Why do villains have to be one dimensional if they aren't 'good'?
In the real world, we have serial killers who do it just for the feeling of power, rapists who simply hate women, people who abuse and kill children, and people who like to torture their victims to see pain.
I wonder if they all think what they are doing is right?
I find it hard to view them as villains, because they have at times been portrayed as heros. Lex has done some very heroic things throughout the series. And Zod this year has been portrayed as a great war hero, and got shot trying to save one of his people from a maniac.
Completely agree. Loved Metallo, probably my second favourite Superman villain because he is such a threat to Clark. I remember posting about this the first time around, when Clark defeated him so easily I felt cheated. In STAS, Metallo beats him to deaths door. In Smallville, a necklace can bring Clark to his knees, but a man who is literally running on kryptonite can't do any damage?
When they said he was coming back i sutupidly got excited again, thinking maybe this time he'd
be done a bit better. But no, it was much much worse.
Which is all well a good in a way, but this is a story we are telling. And not just any story, but a Superhero story.
Superheros have villains, that they fight. They also have an arch nemesis, whom they usually hate. They have a moral code and they have their own view on the world and on people, but that doesn't mean that they are always right, or that other people don't have different views.
If a show about Superman simply had Clark meeting bad people and then helping them turn good, it wouldn't be entertaining, it'd be almost spiritual.
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The point is, that it's very hard to get excited about the finale, when I can't really see a big fight. I can see a big 'conversation'.
I would just love it if we could see something else for a change. I'd love too have a villain that Clark actually HATED because of events throughout the season. Yes, Superman is allowed to be angry at people, he's allowed to hate people. He just doesn't kill them. He sticks to his principles despite his emotions. He's not as violent about his hate as Batman, but he's still capable of bearing it.
At this point we are running out of villains. And every time a Superman villain has been on the show, i've been highly dissapointed by the amount 'conversations' compared to 'fights'.
A villain can have his reasons. He can have had a terrible past, we can all almost understand why he is the way he is. Or he can be someone we simply can't understand. Someone who has lived their life with no conscience, and simply does not value human life. Either way, the only thing that's important in the present is that what they are doing is TRULY VILLANOUS.
Which I have to say, no one is. Not a single person this year has yet done anything truly villainous. It's all 'to save the world'.
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