I honestly wish Jor-El would have said, "The Stones of Knowledge" are already in place on Earth and this Orb will be soon to follow. Our civilization will have a fool-proof backup plan if we found ourselves in desperate times." Would have cleared it up completely. Well besides the whole Orb taking away Clark's powers stuff. And the fact that the Orb was in the Mansion...*sigh*
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Well we don't yet know how Krypton's time travel works or if it is even time travel. For all we know for every year they live it's 10 years for us or even more. So he could've hid those stones on earth maybe. Or were those the original stones even they look the part, but are they "the" stones? You know?Comment
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Exactly. A lot of people keep saying: "The orb was created to control Clark if he ever became a threat to humanity," but the only reason to explain what the orb does know is to say that the orb can do MANY things, which including the power to control Clark.Comment
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personally, as someone mentioned previously, I think the writers realized how stupid season 4's plot was an decided to update it a little to be more compelling. I know continuity disruptions is a little annoying, but i find this storyline to be more interesting as well. that being said, I think we can't judge yet, give them time they may explain themselves.Comment
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I'm confused with the stones as well. I could have sworn the Kryptonian who came to earth in the 16th century who fathered the Kawatche people came to earth to hide the stones. This man fall in love with a human women & procreated the Indian tribe from that forbidden affair.
This will make sense since there were already on earth when Gertrude/Isobel arc and all of the seasons & arcs of the stone since the S4-S7
Why right the history of the “Stones of Power”. It doesn’t make sense it’s a huge loop hole to the entire history of the stones & Smallville mythos
They should have left it alone & Jor-el shouldn’t have had those stones in his procession.
There has to be an explaination to this huge turn of storyline. It does look like Jor-el had something else to do on earth.
As far as Zod sons, he was probably previous married before Faora.Comment
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Well, they weren't just buried. They were housed in relics. The Fire stone was housed in a statue of Ra. The Water stone was housed in what looked like a Mayan relic. The Air stone was housed in the horse relic in China and was buried underground in a spot that someone needed the map to find. The original map was in the China temple on that ancient garment and was in color that revealed it to not be a map, but a guide that identified a tree that had the Air stone buried by its base. So all these details had to be done over a long period of time. It makes sense that the person who foretold the legend of Naman and knew that Naman would live on Earth with humans would be the one to create the stones to prepare Naman's stay on Earth.
Edit: Or, he sent someone else to Earth with the stones AFTER they were created and THAT person started the legend of Naman. If the Els were able to visit Earth via portal, why wouldn't other Kryptonian families be allowed the same experience?Last edited by Aries83; 11-06-2009, 08:04 PM.Comment
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Time differences between Krypton and Earth, along with time travel explain the differences with the stones.
Davis is explained because his first wife was killed in the battle that occurred in Kandor, so Davis was an experiment.
The Orb is explained even better to me then it was in Season 7. We now know it was infused with blue kryptonite. This means that the stream that went through him in "Arctic" was infused with blue kryptonite, which stole his powers.
As for why it "controlled" Clark, there are two possible explanations: 1) Jor-El held onto the Orb and when he had his son, he changed its purpose (hence why Zod wasn't released right away along with the other Kandorians) or 2) Zod, himself, and the other Kandorians were always meant to be released from the Orb eventually, and by their presence to "guide" Kal-El they could stop him if he attempted to turn evil. They explained this possible outcome by having Zod and Jor-El being friends, which means he would have trusted him to help reign in his son.
Just my opinions.
The building of the artificial red son by the Luthorcorp is going to strip Clark of his powers. This was the control mechanism.Comment
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Time differences between Krypton and Earth, along with time travel explain the differences with the stones.
Davis is explained because his first wife was killed in the battle that occurred in Kandor, so Davis was an experiment.
The Orb is explained even better to me then it was in Season 7. We now know it was infused with blue kryptonite. This means that the stream that went through him in "Arctic" was infused with blue kryptonite, which stole his powers.
As for why it "controlled" Clark, there are two possible explanations: 1) Jor-El held onto the Orb and when he had his son, he changed its purpose (hence why Zod wasn't released right away along with the other Kandorians) or 2) Zod, himself, and the other Kandorians were always meant to be released from the Orb eventually, and by their presence to "guide" Kal-El they could stop him if he attempted to turn evil. They explained this possible outcome by having Zod and Jor-El being friends, which means he would have trusted him to help reign in his son.
Just my opinions.
I would have explained the Orb as being the Eradicator and as having been invented by Kem-El. In the comics, the Eradicator did somewhat control Clark/Superman by influencing his mind. And Gertrude & her Veritas society could have seeked it out back in the 1600's when she made contact with Zod according to Justice & Doom with some crystal. They could have maybe even explained Gertrude's contact with Zod as being a result of using the Eradicator, though I'm not sure if that would have worked.
Here is how I explained all this a few weeks ago:
Post your wildest theories, speculation, musings about what's going to happen on the show. ALL threads containing spoilers must be marked with the word SPOILER in the subject line.
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For the rest, all they have to do is introduce Kem-El. That's what I did in my fanfic Krypton. He was explained as the one who started it all. And from there, generations of the House of El made it their mission to either save Krypton or have a relocation backup plan. And Zod foiled that plan when he commandeered the Brainiac project. That would have been perfect.Comment
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I'm confused with the stones as well. I could have sworn the Kryptonian who came to earth in the 16th century who fathered the Kawatche people came to earth to hide the stones. This man fall in love with a human women & procreated the Indian tribe from that forbidden affair.
This will make sense since there were already on earth when Gertrude/Isobel arc and all of the seasons & arcs of the stone since the S4-S7
Why right the history of the “Stones of Power”. It doesn’t make sense it’s a huge loop hole to the entire history of the stones & Smallville mythos
They should have left it alone & Jor-el shouldn’t have had those stones in his procession.
There has to be an explaination to this huge turn of storyline. It does look like Jor-el had something else to do on earth.
As far as Zod sons, he was probably previous married before Faora.Comment
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Why does it have to be time travel? Why does it have to be Jor-El? Does this show know how to introduce other Kryptonians other than Jor-El? What about Kem-El? What about Nim-El? It should have been Nim-El in the orb, not Jor-El since Jor-El did not live in Kandor---his twin brother Nim-El did. But these foolish uninformed writers think that Jor-El is the only Kryptonian of consequence in the House of El.
With regard to this episode, I thought it was fantastic. I thought they did a nice job of tying things together. Personally I was wondering how they were going to explain a 2nd Zod on Smallville (one apparently at an early point in his life) and they did it nicely. Essentially, the orb was the bottled city of Kandor (for all intents and purposes). This might have been a good episode to bring back Kara since she was supposedly looking for Kandor, but that's not a huge deal. We've already seen that Kryptonians have done this before (storing DNA in crystals for cloning - I guess it's just too bad that Jor-el and Lara weren't "stored" in the SAME crystal). I LIKED how they brought the stones of knowledge back up. Now we know that they weren't really intended for Clark (they were intended for the Kandor clones). That explains why they were protected by Kryptonite. Unpowered Kryptonians wouldn't be affected by Kryptonite, as we've seen in past episodes. AND, having Jor-el as their creator (rather than some ancient Kryptonian) explains why HIS voice (in AI form) is a part of the "program". I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the stones were sent back in time (we've already seen time travel on Smallville - in Apocalypse). And I think we can also assume that Zod DID have a wife and son prior to getting together with Faora. After losing his son, Zod would have become a little "obsessed" with having another child. Not being able to have one with Faora could have led him to do something as drastic as to create Doomsday/Davis.
Here's some more food for thought. Is Major Zod's family REALLY dead? Couldn't the so-called destruction we witnessed ACTUALLY have been the point in time when Brainiac took the city, shrank it, and put it into the bottle? Maybe they're still alive, trapped in the bottle. And maybe THAT'S the city Kara will some day find.Comment
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I haven't read through all of this thread so I don't know if this was mentioned, but there's no inconsistency with the stones. We already know that Zod communicated with Gertrude in the 17th Century about the stones, so clearly Kryptonians have a way to communicate through time. The fact that they showed the stones and the orb 20 years before Krypton's destruction changes nothing. Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that Faora was Zod's first wife.
The whole OP is nothing but assumptions.Comment
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They could time travel, Jor-El must have gone back and reconfigured everything for Clark to find, and the orb is explainable too. It was to stop Clark just in case he turned bad. Jor-El must have known of a fail safe just in case they needed their powers before putting his DNA in it. So an entire army of Kryptonians was the way to stop the traveler, but it was mistranslated to "control" (ok can't get rid of that mistake easily).Comment
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Also Zod & Faora weren't able to have children according to Bloodline. Now we find out there was a previous Davis and the Season 8 Davis was nothing more than a clone. It kills the entire atmosphere that existed in Bloodline that was used to explain his creation.Comment
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