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  • No, Sasha and Roy are correct. Look back over television history and I would bet that any shows that were moved around a lot ended before their time. Though Smallville has literally millions of die-hard fans, most who do watch don't check these sites, and other more mainstream entertainment sites such as TVGuide and Entertainment Weekly don't have flying banners announcing that it is airing that night.

    Not to mention that no matter what night it airs on or how many people happen to be watching TV that night, the fact is the CW does not and will not invest in promoting a show that doesn't exactly meet its business model, doesn't bring in high percentages of its desired demographic (18-34), and is in its 9th year. Fans, die hard or not, SHOULDN'T have to work so hard to watch their show. That's just a fact. Unless I had been on this site, b/c I no longer watch most of CW's programming, I probably would have missed either the move to Fridays or the actual date of the premiere.

    It is far too early in the season to move the show since, yes, people are still finding it since its move. That's evidenced in its ratings for Echo, as compared to Rabid. There is no doubt it would do better on another night. But the fact is, what the network is looking for is a sustainable show to hold up their Friday night and the ad revenue they get with that one demographic. Smallville only fills one of those requirements, and although we are offended by the move to Fridays and all that it insinuates, the fact is, it IS doing well there, not in COMPARISON to its previous nights/years, but put it into perspective and it is doing great. Moving it would not be a good idea for the network as a whole. And if the network fails, then so does our show.

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    • Originally posted by edvedder
      Is there a particular reason why u would prefer repeats moving to that timeslot instead of the current season? Personally, friday sucks for me cause my girl and I like to go out that night, and overall i think the MP timeslot would be much better then Friday at 8pm. If that was the case, i highly doubt we would even question the liklihood of season 10. FYI, I tivo the show on friday but its much better to actually watch it when it Airs LIve! That sad thing is my Tivo viewing doesnt really help the show in terms of ratings, and that bothers me as a devoted Smallville fan
      I agree. Actually, viewing the show live does not help the ratings either unless you get a diary in the mail from Neilson stating that they want you to write down all the shows your household watches.

      I received one a few years ago. They take your results and extrapolate it to all the households in your viewing area which is hilarious since I live in the redneck capital of the world and only watch Smallville and PBS.

      Your use of Tivo is probably being counted somehow since it seems relatively easy for Tivo to track their customer's viewing and give the data to someone. That must be how they come up with the DVR numbers. I don't know.

      With a show like Smallville, the CW will keep it on the air because it is produced by the WB who probably help finance it. The WB is committed to Smallville because they make good money off it through DVD and other merchandise sales.

      ----- Added 8 Minutes later -----

      Originally posted by Mrs. Superman
      Moving it again would not be good at this point. You shouldn't move a show around so much bc it ends up confusing the general audience. What would help is if they aired repeats of Smallville on one of those nights. That way more people would have a chance to see it, and more people will realize the new episode is on fridays so a greater possibility that you'll get higher ratings for fridays too. That might be their best bet if MP doesn't last.

      Most likely, they'll air repeats of VD or GG.
      I totally agree with your logic. That would be wonderful to see Smallville two nights a week and it would drive viewers to friday night to see new episodes. What would also work is if they showed classic Smallville episodes on a different night of the week. The CW used to do that on Sundays.

      The reason they will probably show repeats of VD or GG instead of Smallville is because they can count both sets of ratings in order to artificially inflate the ratings of the new shows. If GG gets 2 million viewers one night and 1 million viewers for the repeat, that's 3 million viewers for the week.
      Last edited by stenochick; 10-23-2009, 06:15 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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      • Originally posted by stenochick
        I agree. Actually, viewing the show live does not help the ratings either unless you get a diary in the mail from Neilson stating that they want you to write down all the shows your household watches.

        I received one a few years ago. They take your results and extrapolate it to all the households in your viewing area which is hilarious since I live in the redneck capital of the world and only watch Smallville and PBS.

        Your use of Tivo is probably being counted somehow since it seems relatively easy for Tivo to track their customer's viewing and give the data to someone. That must be how they come up with the DVR numbers. I don't know.

        With a show like Smallville, the CW will keep it on the air because it is produced by the WB who probably help finance it. The WB is committed to Smallville because they make good money off it through DVD and other merchandise sales.

        ----- Added 8 Minutes later -----



        I totally agree with your logic. That would be wonderful to see Smallville two nights a week and it would drive viewers to friday night to see new episodes. What would also work is if they showed classic Smallville episodes on a different night of the week. The CW used to do that on Sundays.

        The reason they will probably show repeats of VD or GG instead of Smallville is because they can count both sets of ratings in order to artificially inflate the ratings of the new shows. If GG gets 2 million viewers one night and 1 million viewers for the repeat, that's 3 million viewers for the week.
        I feel that the two nights a week is the best ideal for the show. He** just saw a whole page advertisement for VD in The Entertainment Weekly Oct issue but not one word for Smallville, which is a crime in MOP!!!

        Take Care,

        Jack

        ----- Added 13 Minutes later -----

        Originally posted by edvedder
        Is there a particular reason why u would prefer repeats moving to that timeslot instead of the current season? Personally, friday sucks for me cause my girl and I like to go out that night, and overall i think the MP timeslot would be much better then Friday at 8pm. If that was the case, i highly doubt we would even question the liklihood of season 10. FYI, I tivo the show on friday but its much better to actually watch it when it Airs LIve! That sad thing is my Tivo viewing doesnt really help the show in terms of ratings, and that bothers me as a devoted Smallville fan

        I feel that a repeat on Tuesday or Wednesday would help the show much better in the long run this way people would not have to look for when its on it's regular time spot. And yes your TiVo viewing does count it's in the DVR numbers +3 or +7, but it does count in the end!!!!!

        Take Care,

        Jack
        Last edited by jack1487; 10-26-2009, 01:44 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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        • When do DVR ratings come out for Echo?

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          • Smallville's in another CW Press release!
            Live+7 for Echo = 3.25mil

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            • 3.25 million for Echo after DVR! There was a gain of 1.08 million!

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              • Smallville S9 *Final Rating - DVR
                #1 Savior ~ *2.57mil. & Live+7= 3.39mil.

                #2 Metallo ~ *2.24mil. & Live+7= 3.03mil.

                #3 Rabid ~ *2.28mil. & Live+7= 3.02mil.

                #4 Echo ~ *2.59mil. & Live+7= 3.25mil.

                #5 Roulette ~ *2.47mil.

                #6 Crossfire ~ *2.42mil
                Last edited by SparkleforSmallville; 11-02-2009, 03:01 PM.

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                • On Friday, SMALLVILLE remains in DVR demand, as its Live+7 ratings skyrocketed above its live-only viewing by 77% in adults 18-34 (1.45rtg v. 0.82rtg) and 70% in adults 18-49 (1.43rtg v. 0.84rtg).

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                  • Go Smallville!

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                    • You gotta see this. Tvbythenumbers posted the DVR viewer stats after a bunch of us
                      SV Fans complained! Victory! :

                      "We don’t hate total viewers. We just don’t think they matter much in terms of the fates of shows. But then again, not even the 18-49 increases due to DVR viewing really wind up making much difference, so since fans are interested in the viewer numbers here they are for the week ending October 18,2009. The first table is based on most absolute DVR viewing (including Live+SD viewing). The second table are the shows with the largest percentage increases after the same day.
                      Again, let me say that despite the recent media hoopla, I don’t believe these numbers really make much of a difference in a show’s fate. But I don’t think those 18-49 numbers make any difference in show fates either, so…

                      "Smallville fans, jump directly to the second table and start skimming."

                      "This first table is sorted by most absolute DVR viewing for the week ending October 18, 2009":

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                      • Shows with the biggest percentage viewing increases after the day the show aired:
                        Show Net Date R=Repeat S=Special P=Premiere Live Viewers (000) Live+SD Viewers Live+7 Viewers Total DVR (000) DVR increase vs. Live DVR increase vs. L+SD
                        FRINGE FOX 10/15/2009
                        4,927 5,796 7,570 2,643 53.6% 30.6%
                        MELROSE PLACE CW 10/13/2009
                        1,172 1,383 1,762 590 50.3% 27.4%
                        HEROES NBC 10/12/2009
                        4,552 5,561 7,042 2,490 54.7% 26.6%
                        OFFICE NBC 10/15/2009
                        6,244 8,053 10,045 3,801 60.9% 24.7%
                        90210 CW 10/13/2009
                        1,722 2,265 2,820 1,098 63.8% 24.5%
                        SMALLVILLE CW 10/16/2009
                        2,172 2,611 3,249 1,077 49.6% 24.4%
                        GOSSIP GIRL-MON CW 10/12/2009
                        1,996 2,377 2,938 942 47.2% 23.6%
                        AMERICA’S TOP MODEL 7 CW 10/14/2009
                        2,531 2,999 3,661 1,130 44.6% 22.1%
                        GREY’S ANATOMY-THU 9PM ABC 10/15/2009
                        11,893 13,809 16,821 4,928 41.4% 21.8%
                        SUPERNATURAL CW 10/15/2009
                        2,298 2,587 3,130 832 36.2% 21.0%
                        FLASHFORWARD ABC 10/15/2009
                        7,838 9,093 10,966 3,128 39.9% 20.6%
                        30 ROCK NBC 10/15/2009
                        5,451 6,400 7,718 2,267 41.6% 20.6%
                        GLEE FOX 10/14/2009
                        6,435 7,666 9,205 2,770 43.0% 20.1%
                        BONES FOX 10/15/2009
                        8,537 9,630 11,550 3,013 35.3% 19.9%
                        VAMPIRE DIARIES CW 10/15/2009
                        3,141 3,884 4,629 1,488 47.4% 19.2%
                        COMMUNITY NBC 10/15/2009
                        4,593 5,111 6,074 1,481 32.2% 18.8%
                        LIE TO ME FOX 10/12/2009
                        7,117 7,886 9,358 2,241 31.5% 18.7%
                        MENTALIST, THE CBS 10/15/2009
                        14,288 15,071 17,853 3,565 25.0% 18.5%
                        PRIVATE PRACTICE ABC 10/15/2009
                        9,509 10,387 12,295 2,786 29.3% 18.4%
                        CASTLE ABC 10/12/2009
                        9,132 9,776 11,544 2,412 26.4% 18.1%
                        EASTWICK ABC 10/14/2009
                        4,720 5,091 6,010 1,290 27.3% 18.1%
                        HOUSE FOX 10/12/2009
                        10,970 13,552 15,983 5,013 45.7% 17.9%
                        PARKS AND RECREATION NBC 10/15/2009
                        4,124 4,552 5,312 1,188 28.8% 16.7%
                        MEDIUM CBS 10/16/2009
                        7,454 8,120 9,375 1,921 25.8% 15.5%
                        NUMB3RS CBS 10/16/2009
                        7,566 8,016 9,237 1,671 22.1% 15.2%

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                        • Originally posted by SparkleforSmallville
                          You gotta see this. Tvbythenumbers posted the DVR viewer stats after a bunch of us
                          SV Fans complained! Victory! :

                          "We don’t hate total viewers. We just don’t think they matter much in terms of the fates of shows. But then again, not even the 18-49 increases due to DVR viewing really wind up making much difference, so since fans are interested in the viewer numbers here they are for the week ending October 18,2009. The first table is based on most absolute DVR viewing (including Live+SD viewing). The second table are the shows with the largest percentage increases after the same day.
                          Again, let me say that despite the recent media hoopla, I don’t believe these numbers really make much of a difference in a show’s fate. But I don’t think those 18-49 numbers make any difference in show fates either, so…

                          "Smallville fans, jump directly to the second table and start skimming."

                          "This first table is sorted by most absolute DVR viewing for the week ending October 18, 2009":

                          http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/02...comment-150972
                          Nice job! SV's fans are the best.

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                          • Finals for the repeat of Echo: http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums?a=t...8262#206108262

                            Smallville (R, 9pm)
                            - 1.260 million viewers
                            - 0.8/1 HH
                            - 0.4/1 A18-49
                            - 0.4/1 A18-34
                            - 0.4/1 W18-34

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                            • Rabid at 8pm did better than Echo at 9pm. I wonder if some didn't know that there
                              was another episode.

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                              • ^^I expected them to advertise that it was a full night of Smallville, or even show a preview for it in the middle of Rabid, but they didn't. They just showed the original preview at the end of Rabid and their annoying screen tags that cut out half tv screen saying Smallville was on next. Oh well...

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