Deadwood (HBO)

[vyperman7]

Did anyone catch this show last night after The Sopranos?? I am a huge fan of the Western genre, and I must say that I was impressed. It looks like it might be styled after the movie Tombstone a little bit. They have not laid out the whole story yet, but it looks like Wild Bill Hiccock, and an ex-martial from Montana are going to team up to become the law of Deadwood and battle the local thug who basically runs everything. All of the actors involved did a good job, and the show affectively recreated the old west.

HBO keeps putting out some great shows. Sopranos, OZ, Six Feet Under, Carnivale, and now Deadwood.

If you like the Western genre, you should check this show out!!

[reddevil]

yea tombstone is my all time favorite movie and i too love the western era. i cannot give a real good judgement just yet b/c they are still working on the lay out but i have liked what i have seen.

[Rose etta]

"You're a Daisy, if you do!"


{Lurve Val Kilmer's Doc Holiday!}

[vyperman7]

The only thing that gets on my nerves about this show is that they say the word "cocksucker" too damn much. It gets to be annoying at times.

[redkryp]

yeah vyperman7 they do say that a lot.

the show seems ok, i think it will get good after they get more into it.

[vyperman7]

I really like the show so far, because I feel they have given an accurate representation of what the west was like back then. Also, Keith Carradine gives a great performance as Wild Bill Hiccock, and Ian McShane is awesome as Al Swearengen.

[redkryp]

the ep on tonight was really good, i think this will be a show that i will be able to get into.

[vyperman7]

I am addicted to Deadwood already. It is a really good show. The thing that I like about HBO shows, is that there are not any breaks in between episodes. They air back to back until the season is over. All of the actors really do a great job.

The only character who gets on my nerves is the reverend.

[miffyy]

This is the best Western I have ever seen and my favorite show. Please tell me it isn't over! There was no closure in the last episode. You portrayed Hearst as the perfect villain and the town of Deadwood became unified to stand against him. He can't just ride out of town and the show ends. In the last episode there were 150 armed Chinese, 22 hired guns, a midget with a knife and the citizens of Deadwood ready for battle. It can't end like this! Please tell me Hearst is coming back to Deadwood and there is going to be a dramatic ending! Do something! I want to see more. Have another season. It can't end like this. Hearst has to be eliminated. Please work out something! It can't end like this.

[Tabularasa]

Sorry, but Deadwood is over. You can blame the creator. The ratings were going down for season 3 and the budget going up. HBO wanted Deadwood to have a 21 episode season to end it like The Sopranos did, but the creator wanted instead to do two 2 hour films. The films were never made and everyone has moved on.

[nicmar]

The end of Deadwood has always been a point of contention the Creator said that HBO cancelled the show they said that he pulled the plug. I thought that HBO was willing to give them an additional 8 episode 4th season but Milch wanted a full 12. The 2 movies were some kind of compromise. In the end Milch lost intrest and instead began work on the much hated John form Cincinnati and the two movies were never evenwritten although I saw on the special features to Deadwood the complete series there was some outline to how the show would have ended but since I owned the seasons individualy I did not want to spend the money twice

[Tabularasa]

I still never understood the logic in the 2 movies. I mean the 2 movies would be only 4 hours total. Why not just do the 8 hour season? I think the creator was just pissed that HBO wanted to end it.

[Xanderman]

Just finished this series, and man was that a terrible ending (series finale, season finale, either way it was bad). All this building and building, and the climax is Swearengen killing an innocent woman to appease Hearst? Deadwood was silly in that people were terrified of certain others, yet time and time again we've seen how easy it is to kill someone if you really wanted to. Hell Trixie just walked straight to Hearst's hotel room and shot him when he opened the door. And because she only wounded him then suddenly another woman has to be sacrificed to make Hearst happy? And THIS was the climax? And nobody but the supposed "dumb one" had a problem with it? Every single last one of them except for him, including Bullock, were such unbelievable cowards. Actually even the dumb one was a coward in the end, seeing as after he came to (he was knocked out by the big one), all he did was ask Swearengen if the woman suffered when he slit her throat. Uh, why don't you pull out a gun and blow Swearengen's freaking head off? And if the big one has a problem with it, gee I don't know, blow his brains out too? lol So, so stupid.

About some of the characters:

- Steve was such a disturbing character. When he was normal he was an effed up racist (a complete mental case), and then when he became a total vegetable he was still effed up, but in a different way. :lol:

- Cy Tolliver aka Curly Bill Brocious was always a jackass, but toward the end of the series Jesus did he ever become a complete psycho. So incredibly abusive and cruel to his employees, and at the end he just stabs that one guy and leaves him to die for no good reason whatsoever. Haha so effed up.

- Why does Bullock tolerate these people? Bullock was a frustrating character because he was supposed to be the hero of the story but he took action randomly and was indecisive. When he arrested Hearst the first time, why didn't he or Swearengen just kill him? They have no problem killing that innocent woman in the last episode, but killing Hearst in cold blood would be wrong I suppose? The man wasn't untouchable. And if he died, there was no indication that anyone anywhere would give a damn (or seek revenge). Deadwood was silly.

Anyway, the 3rd season was filled with too much damned messed up sh** for its own good, I'm not surprised it was cancelled. I'm just sorry Hearst's men didn't blow Bullock's head off at the end there as punishment for being the coward that he was (as again, he along with virtually everyone else had no problem with Swearengen murdering that woman so that everyone's favorite Trixie could be spared).

[kernel_thai]

Just finished this series, and man was that a terrible ending (series finale, season finale, either way it was bad). All this building and building, and the climax is Swearengen killing an innocent woman to appease Hearst? Deadwood was silly in that people were terrified of certain others, yet time and time again we've seen how easy it is to kill someone if you really wanted to. Hell Trixie just walked straight to Hearst's hotel room and shot him when he opened the door. And because she only wounded him then suddenly another woman has to be sacrificed to make Hearst happy? And THIS was the climax? And nobody but the supposed "dumb one" had a problem with it? Every single last one of them except for him, including Bullock, were such unbelievable cowards. Actually even the dumb one was a coward in the end, seeing as after he came to (he was knocked out by the big one), all he did was ask Swearengen if the woman suffered when he slit her throat. Uh, why don't you pull out a gun and blow Swearengen's freaking head off? And if the big one has a problem with it, gee I don't know, blow his brains out too? lol So, so stupid.

About some of the characters:

- Steve was such a disturbing character. When he was normal he was an effed up racist (a complete mental case), and then when he became a total vegetable he was still effed up, but in a different way. :lol:

- Cy Tolliver aka Curly Bill Brocious was always a jackass, but toward the end of the series Jesus did he ever become a complete psycho. So incredibly abusive and cruel to his employees, and at the end he just stabs that one guy and leaves him to die for no good reason whatsoever. Haha so effed up.

- Why does Bullock tolerate these people? Bullock was a frustrating character because he was supposed to be the hero of the story but he took action randomly and was indecisive. When he arrested Hearst the first time, why didn't he or Swearengen just kill him? They have no problem killing that innocent woman in the last episode, but killing Hearst in cold blood would be wrong I suppose? The man wasn't untouchable. And if he died, there was no indication that anyone anywhere would give a damn (or seek revenge). Deadwood was silly.

Anyway, the 3rd season was filled with too much damned messed up sh** for its own good, I'm not surprised it was cancelled. I'm just sorry Hearst's men didn't blow Bullock's head off at the end there as punishment for being the coward that he was (as again, he along with virtually everyone else had no problem with Swearengen murdering that woman so that everyone's favorite Trixie could be spared).

Glad u liked it :D

Deadwood isnt about justice. That was kinda the point. Did the family who got attacked on the Spearfish road in s1 get justice? One of the attackers got gunned down in the street, another in the #10 and last got put away by his own boss to cover the thing up. Did Alma's father get justice? The Nig*** General got tarred just because of his race when the mob couldnt get to Hugo Jarry. What about poor Ellsworth? The only guy who got justice was Jack McCall who was found innocent of a crime that witnesses saw him commit. Did Jen get justice? Nope. I guess if Al had loved her instead of Johnny Burns she would have.

As to Bullock, I'm not sure coward is the right word. Deadwood certainly changed him. The longer he was there the farther away the moral high ground seemed to be. Course before u condemn Trixie, she was about the only one with a pair in that camp. Maybe her and Doc Cochran. She not only risked everything to avenge Ellsworth but she was the one who stood up for Alma Garrett by going against Al in s1.

The show wasnt canceled, it died of neglect. David Milch got so excited about his new show, the legendary John From Cincinnati, that he stopped working on Deadwood. HBO used that as the excuse to end it.

[Xanderman]

Deadwood isnt about justice.I guess then it was about love....between a man and his gun.:cool: :lol: Yeah I know it was going for realism, but that 3rd season was so messed up (more than the previous two), it needed a dose of fantasy heroism/justice winning out. Would have enjoyed it more, personally. Sort of like how the movie Tombstone (love that movie) painted them all as heroes, pure and true. (When in reality most of those "heroes" were probably scumbags too. heh)


The only guy who got justice was Jack McCall who was found innocent of a crime that witnesses saw him commit.
So what you're saying, is that the system works.:cool: :lol:


Did Jen get justice? Nope. I guess if Al had loved her instead of Johnny Burns she would have.Hey you remember the names, good...cuz calling him the dumb one and the murdered woman simply the woman gets old, real fast. lol


As to Bullock, I'm not sure coward is the right word. Deadwood certainly changed him. The longer he was there the farther away the moral high ground seemed to be.I was disappointed by Bullock looking away at Jen's murder. I mean he was brave enough to walk right up to Hearst at the end and threaten him, but he wasn't brave enough to do the same beforehand to prevent an innocent woman's sacrifice? I tell ya, dem ho's get no respect, no respect at all.:lol: The murder of prostitutes in general wasn't something anyone got overly concerned about in this series. Their lives were valued less. As were women in general, of course. So if you were a woman plus a prostitute, damn if you weren't getting screwed in more ways than one.


Course before u condemn Trixie, she was about the only one with a pair in that camp. Maybe her and Doc Cochran. She not only risked everything to avenge Ellsworth but she was the one who stood up for Alma Garrett by going against Al in s1.You're right about Trixie. Unfortunately in the end she too was cowardly, accepting the sacrifice of someone else in her place, so she could live....unless she was only informed about it after the murder? I can't remember. If she didn't know, then yes you're completely right about Trixie.


The show wasnt canceled, it died of neglect. David Milch got so excited about his new show, the legendary John From Cincinnati, that he stopped working on Deadwood. HBO used that as the excuse to end it.I've never heard of John From Cincinnati....did you watch it?

[kernel_thai]

I guess then it was about love....between a man and his gun.:cool: :lol: Yeah I know it was going for realism, but that 3rd season was so messed up (more than the previous two), it needed a dose of fantasy heroism/justice winning out. Would have enjoyed it more, personally. Sort of like how the movie Tombstone (love that movie) painted them all as heroes, pure and true. (When in reality most of those "heroes" were probably scumbags too. heh)


So what you're saying, is that the system works.:cool: :lol:

Hey you remember the names, good...cuz calling him the dumb one and the murdered woman simply the woman gets old, real fast. lol

I was disappointed by Bullock looking away at Jen's murder. I mean he was brave enough to walk right up to Hearst at the end and threaten him, but he wasn't brave enough to do the same beforehand to prevent an innocent woman's sacrifice? I tell ya, dem ho's get no respect, no respect at all.:lol: The murder of prostitutes in general wasn't something anyone got overly concerned about in this series. Their lives were valued less. As were women in general, of course. So if you were a woman plus a prostitute, damn if you weren't getting screwed in more ways than one.

You're right about Trixie. Unfortunately in the end she too was cowardly, accepting the sacrifice of someone else in her place, so she could live....unless she was only informed about it after the murder? I can't remember. If she didn't know, then yes you're completely right about Trixie.

I've never heard of John From Cincinnati....did you watch it?

No, I was so POed by the Deadwood thing that I didnt watch it. Heard it was stupid tho.

The reason Bullock didnt act was Hearst threatened to burn the town to the ground. He was man used to getting what he wanted and didnt care about the town, only the mines. Bullock was also a man (he ended being a big politician and adviser to Teddy Roosevelt if I remember correctly) who had convenient code of honor. He often did things and felt bad about them after like beating Almas father and suggesting Al kill him. He also had no problem sleeping with Garrett until his wife and son showed up. Al Swearingen was the truest character in the thing. He was a bad man plain and simple. Even when they allowed him to do something nice or civic minded it was always answered with Al returning to form.

Trixie expected to die and I dont believe she knew about Jen until after she was dead and supplied the dress. After the failed attempted Trixie was more worried about Starr getting killed too when Hearst came after her.

I know the names because Ive watched it at least five times. Like most shows, the first season is the best. It also had a wealth of talent actors like Garrett Dillahunt and Robin Weigert who were just a pleasure to watch. The one thing that always puzzled me was Milch's decisions involving Ian McShane. In real life Al was from Iowa. For some reason Milch decided to make him English, had Jane refer to him as a Limey at least twice and hired an English actor for the role. Yet he had McShane play him with an American accent.

[JennyFaye]

Bullock really can't be held accountable for Jenn's murder. He was NOT consulted beforehand but only heard about it from Sol Star after Swearengen (falsely) claimed he had already done the dirty deed. Although Sol wasn't totally convinced Al had already killed the woman, do you believe he shared those doubts with Bullock knowing Trixie's life could be forfeit? Bullock's inaction suggests otherwise. Given how consistently (and spontaneously) Bullock responded to acts of violence against women and the helpless coupled with the way he chafed at being constrained by Hearst's greater threat to the camp it seems more likely he would have confronted Al and tried to prevent the murder of an innocent woman.

Not that Bullock would have offered another option to appease Hearst. Appeasement, deception and dirty back room political gamesmanship were not Bullock's strong suite. Al might comfortably dance with the devil in the moonlight, looking for an angle to exploit the whole time; Bullock would take the Dark One head on in a rage-fueled kamikaze gesture of honor bound defiance. Where Al was a survivor first and foremost (though not to the self-debasing level of E. B. Farnum), Bullock was driven by other "demons."

As for Bullock going along with the ruse post mortem, what choice did he have? To do otherwise would have plunged the camp in an all out bloodbath with Hearst (who had the extensive resources to raze the camp to the ground even if he died), would have gotten Trixie killed and rendered Jenn's death pointless. It was obvious from his body language that Bullock was not "okay with it." He's also the only one who inquired about informing Jenn's next of kin.

Nor was Bullock a coward in dealing with Hearst. He stayed his hand repeatedly at Al's request and did not administer the righteously brutal beat down that Hearst deserved and you know Bullock was coiled to administer, especially after the shots taken at Alma. Nor did he shoot an unarmed Hearst in the jail cell, which would have been cold-blooded murder and wrong on every level. But you have to enjoy the fact he arrested Hearst, dragging him down the thoroughfare by his ear and putting him in the cell next to the murdered Cornish miner, especially with the knife still in the man's chest. (Between Bullock and Utter, just taunting the beast and daring him to come after them personally.) Even Aunt Lou remarked that Bullock was the only man brave enough to ever take on Hearst. Plus there was the letter published in the paper and the act of putting Hearst on notice while surrounded by Hearst's armed muscle. Or heck, even calling him out as the bully he was in the hotel room with, again, some of Hearst's armed guards present. And don't forget the arrest of Hearst's bully boy Barrett after Morgan Wyatt's dubious shooting of another Hearst henchman.

No, it wasn't cowardice that nearly neutered Bullock and Swearengen, but the limits of frontier justice and old school blackjack thuggery in a remote, barely established camp facing off against a corporate bully with nearly limitless resources.

If it sounds like I am whitewashing Bullock or absolving him of all sin, that is not my intention. Bullock was a mass of contradictions and internally warring impulses. In short, he was essentially a good, kind and honorable man, but oh so flawed. So very, very flawed. But that is what makes him a source of endless fascination and possibility. It may also be one of the reasons he becomes such an integral part of Deadwood's development. While I may enjoy the fish out of water exploits of a Canadian mountie in modern Chicago, such a morally incorruptible and peaceful character would have been eaten alive in Deadwood!

(Okay, that was a Due South reference for anyone scratching their head and asking WTF, why so random?) :lol:

(Also, my comments are about the TV version of Bullock, not the historical figure.)

[kernel_thai]

It was the flawed characters that made Deadwood such a great watch. From the stars down to the bit players, everyone was layered in many shades of gray.

[Xanderman]

The reason Bullock didnt act was Hearst threatened to burn the town to the ground. He was man used to getting what he wanted and didnt care about the town, only the mines.



No, it wasn't cowardice that nearly neutered Bullock and Swearengen, but the limits of frontier justice and old school blackjack thuggery in a remote, barely established camp facing off against a corporate bully with nearly limitless resources.

That's the thing for me, I never really got the impression that Hearst was all that untouchable. It didn't seem to me he had family that would exact revenge or anything if he was murdered, and we know hired guns wouldn't give a damn. We saw how easily Trixie was able to just walk up to his room and shoot him in broad daylight even with hired guns around (and she wasn't even fingered for it because dopey Hearst couldn't tell the difference between different prostitutes, even when they walk right up to him face to face). Countless others had the same opportunity. Why didn't they just go after him before all his hired guns arrived? They knew ahead of time about his orders for more men because of the messaging/telegram service or what have you and what it would mean. It was a lawless town where people murdered people all the time, you'd think murdering Hearst in secret is something you could get away with easily enough if you really wanted to. Like just breaking into his room in the middle of the night and killing him in his sleep. For it to get to the point that it did just seemed ridiculous to me. The only conclusion is that every last one of them was a coward (or just stupid) except for Trixie it would seem, as kernel said. Mystery solved.

[kernel_thai]

That's the thing for me, I never really got the impression that Hearst was all that untouchable. It didn't seem to me he had family that would exact revenge or anything if he was murdered, and we know hired guns wouldn't give a damn. We saw how easily Trixie was able to just walk up to his room and shoot him in broad daylight even with hired guns around (and she wasn't even fingered for it because dopey Hearst couldn't tell the difference between different prostitutes, even when they walk right up to him face to face). Countless others had the same opportunity. Why didn't they just go after him before all his hired guns arrived? They knew ahead of time about his orders for more men because of the messaging/telegram service or what have you and what it would mean. It was a lawless town where people murdered people all the time, you'd think murdering Hearst in secret is something you could get away with easily enough if you really wanted to. Like just breaking into his room in the middle of the night and killing him in his sleep. For it to get to the point that it did just seemed ridiculous to me. The only conclusion is that every last one of them was a coward (or just stupid) except for Trixie it would seem, as kernel said. Mystery solved.

Hearst didnt recognize Trixie because she made sure he wasnt looking at her face. They didnt want Hearst dead. They wanted him to go away. If it hadnt been for Ellsworth, Trixie wouldnt have tried either. Hearst already had the Pinkerton's men there. Who is to say what the Hearst family would have had them do in the name of revenge.

[Xanderman]

Hearst didnt recognize Trixie because she made sure he wasnt looking at her face. I just rewatched the scene and he looked at her face quickly, then down. Then after she shot him, as he was closing the door he made sure to look at her face again. It all happened quickly though so he probably didn't have enough time to make a positive ID...heh. But he did get a look. They were lucky their ruse worked. As for Trixie, I don't think she cared if he saw her face, she was trying to kill him afterall. I saw the nakedness more as a distraction for him to not notice the gun she had pointed at him in time to react, and also her way of taking power or pride in what she is and flaunting it in his face in this final moment, sort of like saying "Hey big man, this insignificant little wh*** is the one who did you in, drink it all in you son of a b****." heh



Hearst already had the Pinkerton's men there. Who is to say what the Hearst family would have had them do in the name of revenge.It seemed to me the closest thing in the world he had to family was Aunt Lou, and she hated his guts. Seemed that any and all danger he represented was riding on him being alive (ie. any and all loyalty/love in his life was bought and paid for). And he wasn't always surrounded or protected by his men, especially early on. Given the threat he represented to the entire town, threatening to burn it down and such, he should have been a marked man. I just never bought that people like Swearengen did nothing, instead simply biding their time for the perfect moment or whatever. I mean didn't Swearengen lose a finger or something because of Hearst? It all just seemed silly and flawed. The show was clearly trying to set it up in a certain fashion, but I don't believe their vision made it to the screen very effectively else I wouldn't have been bugged by it.

[kernel_thai]

I just rewatched the scene and he looked at her face quickly, then down. Then after she shot him, as he was closing the door he made sure to look at her face again. It all happened quickly though so he probably didn't have enough time to make a positive ID...heh. But he did get a look. They were lucky their ruse worked. As for Trixie, I don't think she cared if he saw her face, she was trying to kill him afterall. I saw the nakedness more as a distraction for him to not notice the gun she had pointed at him in time to react, and also her way of taking power or pride in what she is and flaunting it in his face in this final moment, sort of like saying "Hey big man, this insignificant little wh*** is the one who did you in, drink it all in you son of a b****." heh

It seemed to me the closest thing in the world he had to family was Aunt Lou, and she hated his guts. Seemed that any and all danger he represented was riding on him being alive (ie. any and all loyalty/love in his life was bought and paid for). And he wasn't always surrounded or protected by his men, especially early on. Given the threat he represented to the entire town, threatening to burn it down and such, he should have been a marked man. I just never bought that people like Swearengen did nothing, instead simply biding their time for the perfect moment or whatever. I mean didn't Swearengen lose a finger or something because of Hearst? It all just seemed silly and flawed. The show was clearly trying to set it up in a certain fashion, but I don't believe their vision made it to the screen very effectively else I wouldn't have been bugged by it.

Hearst had a wife and children in San Fransisco. He certainly was much more interested in acquiring "the color" than in his family. He also seemed to have "issues" with women. Still, the Hearst Mining interest was a multi million dollar concern. Considering his lifestyle it was being run by others who might not have taken kindly to the boss getting assassinated. Hearst and his company had a history of killing people who got in there way as detailed by Ellsworth. It's hard to believe that all these action came personally at Hearst orders. More likely it was just the way they did business.

[Xanderman]

Why couldn't they just kill him and make it look like an accident or something? Or a fair fight, etc? Back then there were lots of acceptable reasons to kill people and feed them to the pigs. :lol:

I think the show could have done a better job making it clear why Hearst wasn't someone you could just kill and be done with. I doubt anyone would go after the entire town, burn it, etc, if he was killed for a "good reason" -- like revenge for being wronged or the like, etc. A fair fight, or a faked accident. Worse case scenario the person who did the actual killing would be in trouble I think. Just like how Hearst only wanted the prostitute who shot him killed, and didn't take action against the entire town (even though he probably wanted to). I was especially annoyed by Al being afraid to go after Hearst, especially after he lost a finger. Al of all people should have taken revenge. And he was intelligent enough to be creative about it (like make it look like an accident or what have you) and thus avoid the potential wrath of Hearst's associates. It was a never ending plot hole to me to see Hearst constantly pissing people off, killing/hurting/insulting and threatening people, and getting away with it. What Trixie did, a "lesser" or more easily provoked person (or a braver, more dangerous person) should have already done long ago.

[kernel_thai]

Why couldn't they just kill him and make it look like an accident or something? Or a fair fight, etc? Back then there were lots of acceptable reasons to kill people and feed them to the pigs. :lol:

I think the show could have done a better job making it clear why Hearst wasn't someone you could just kill and be done with. I doubt anyone would go after the entire town, burn it, etc, if he was killed for a "good reason" -- like revenge for being wronged or the like, etc. A fair fight, or a faked accident. Worse case scenario the person who did the actual killing would be in trouble I think. Just like how Hearst only wanted the prostitute who shot him killed, and didn't take action against the entire town (even though he probably wanted to). I was especially annoyed by Al being afraid to go after Hearst, especially after he lost a finger. Al of all people should have taken revenge. And he was intelligent enough to be creative about it (like make it look like an accident or what have you) and thus avoid the potential wrath of Hearst's associates. It was a never ending plot hole to me to see Hearst constantly pissing people off, killing/hurting/insulting and threatening people, and getting away with it. What Trixie did, a "lesser" or more easily provoked person (or a braver, more dangerous person) should have already done long ago.

They did go out of their way trying to make Hearst a guy u didnt mess with. In season two, Cy was completely disrespecting Walcott until he told him he worked for Hearst. Al, a big believer in stab first ask questions later, didnt even look for revenge when Hearst took his finger. Even Farnum, who refused several offers from Garrett immediately sold his hotel to Hearst. Aunt Lou, who Hearst actually liked, was terrified of him and didnt want her son getting involved with him.

[Xanderman]

Yeah I know they made Hearst out as someone everyone feared, I just never got on board with the "why". He seemed to be feared just because he was feared. In a practically lawless world, even Hearst was vulnerable to falling prey to any idiot with a gun, a knife, or an axe to grind. He wasn't exactly shown to be a great gunslinger or a great fighter capable of defending himself in a confrontation. He was just a rich man. Al and everyone else being so afraid of him was kinda silly. He should've been dead within a week of arriving to Deadwood, and the gentle town pigs should've gone to bed with a full stomach that night. lol Honestly, Al freakin' Swearengen loses a finger to Hearst and does nothing? Someone like him should've taken revenge and to hell with the consequences. Bullock tip-toeing around how to deal with Hearst also never sat well with me. He should've hanged Hearst in the town square for all the world to see, and then Al could have decorated his saloon with his corpse. Of course, that might've riled up William Munny, killer of women and children, who doesn't take kindly to people decorating their saloons with his friends, or cutting up no wh**es, as Unforgiven made clear. :lol:

[kernel_thai]

Yeah I know they made Hearst out as someone everyone feared, I just never got on board with the "why". He seemed to be feared just because he was feared. In a practically lawless world, even Hearst was vulnerable to falling prey to any idiot with a gun, a knife, or an axe to grind. He wasn't exactly shown to be a great gunslinger or a great fighter capable of defending himself in a confrontation. He was just a rich man. Al and everyone else being so afraid of him was kinda silly. He should've been dead within a week of arriving to Deadwood, and the gentle town pigs should've gone to bed with a full stomach that night. lol Honestly, Al freakin' Swearengen loses a finger to Hearst and does nothing? Someone like him should've taken revenge and to hell with the consequences. Bullock tip-toeing around how to deal with Hearst also never sat well with me. He should've hanged Hearst in the town square for all the world to see, and then Al could have decorated his saloon with his corpse. Of course, that might've riled up William Munny, killer of women and children, who doesn't take kindly to people decorating their saloons with his friends, or cutting up no wh**es, as Unforgiven made clear. :lol:

It's starting to sound like ur favorite part was Mr Woo's pigs. :D

[Xanderman]

It's starting to sound like ur favorite part was Mr Woo's pigs. :DLol, yeah, gotta love them hungry pigs. They'll eat anything, won't they...I guess now we know how they got their name.:cool: :lol:

[kernel_thai]

Lol, yeah, gotta love them hungry pigs. They'll eat anything, won't they...I guess now we know how they got their name.:cool: :lol:

they even ate Veronica Mars

[Xanderman]

they even ate Veronica MarsHaha... You know Saul, it's like the show reached into our brains and did what we all wished we could do to Veronica Mars ourselves, but never had the chance....that being, brutally beat her and then shoot her in the head.:cool: :lol: j/k (yup, a fan of VM I was not. heh)