Clark not over Lana - Lois not over Oliver

[Clana4Life]

I just thought it was interesting that Clark talked about how feelings just don't go away. He talked about Lana - which will set the stage for Lana's return. I'm surprised that Lois cut him off though. She's usually very supportive when it comes to Clana.What I mean is that she usually at least listens or gives Clark a shoulder to cry on. Today she wasn't having any of that, though.
It was very obvious how much she's not over Oliver. I can't see a Clois until Clark and Lois deal with the strong, lingering feelings they have for their ex's. Whatever feelings Lois may have for Clark (and it seems a little one side at the moment. I haven't see Clark show that much interest in her yet. I'm sure it's coming) -- anyway, whatever feelings she may have for Clark, they don't hold a candle to her love for Oliver. I think the same goes for Clark's feelings for Lana. How can Clois start a relationship with so much baggage (i.e., lingering love for Ollie/Lana)? What do you guys think?

[superspider02]

Well over the course of the next few episodes we will probably see them getting over their past feelings.

[Cage]

Feelings just don't go away - there's an old saying that I have found true throughout meager existence - you can't go back - if it didn't work the first time - it won't work the second - not a hard and true axiom - but something I've found to be true.

[Clana4Life]

I agree Cage if there was some big problem. But Lois pretty much did the same thing that Lana did - let go of the man she loves so that he could save the cheerleader and save the world (I'm sorry, Heroes overload - reprogramming brain) I mean save the world.
I think feelings do go away. Most of us have gotten over our ex's. If these two haven't gotten over their respective ex's (especially Lois - it's been over a year), they maybe they need to revisit the relationships and deal with some things or heck, Try Again. Especially if their are doubts like there seem to be for Lois. I can't say the same for Clark & Lana just yet, b/c I haven't seen them together post-breakup, but I suspect the same.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Doesn't matter if there are still lingering feelings. If something doesn't work it doesn't work and BOTH people have to work at it. Thing is there have been many relationships where couples have loved each other and that hasn't been enough. Both Lois and Lana did the brave thing by realizing that and walking away. IMO Lois was more honorable about it cos she did it face to face *shrugs* to me the Lana break up with Clark was but one step from dumping him by text. :(

So I think Lois realized in this eppie that she still has feelings but that they aren't enough to make it work. And I would expect the same to happen with Clark when Lana returns. PLUS Lana's return gives it a better ending than the DVD Dear John/Clark. Both Lois and Clark are showing a more mature attitude to relationships this season. You can be split up with someone for years and still have feelings for them but that doesn't mean you keep trying to make something work when it just plain doesn't. You then meet someone you have bigger feelings for and it does work and that's that ;)

[Liquid-Prince]

I just thought it was interesting that Clark talked about how feelings just don't go away. He talked about Lana - which will set the stage for Lana's return. I'm surprised that Lois cut him off though. She's usually very supportive when it comes to Clana.What I mean is that she usually at least listens or gives Clark a shoulder to cry on. Today she wasn't having any of that, though.
It was very obvious how much she's not over Oliver. I can't see a Clois until Clark and Lois deal with the strong, lingering feelings they have for their ex's. Whatever feelings Lois may have for Clark (and it seems a little one side at the moment. I haven't see Clark show that much interest in her yet. I'm sure it's coming) -- anyway, whatever feelings she may have for Clark, they don't hold a candle to her love for Oliver. I think the same goes for Clark's feelings for Lana. How can Clois start a relationship with so much baggage (i.e., lingering love for Ollie/Lana)? What do you guys think?


She cut him off because she feels something for Clark and doesn't want to hear about Lana anymore.

[amberdawn]

Doesn't matter if there are still lingering feelings. If something doesn't work it doesn't work and BOTH people have to work at it. Thing is there have been many relationships where couples have loved each other and that hasn't been enough. Both Lois and Lana did the brave thing by realizing that and walking away. IMO Lois was more honorable about it cos she did it face to face *shrugs* to me the Lana break up with Clark was but one step from dumping him by text. :(

So I think Lois realized in this eppie that she still has feelings but that they aren't enough to make it work. And I would expect the same to happen with Clark when Lana returns. PLUS Lana's return gives it a better ending than the DVD Dear John/Clark. Both Lois and Clark are showing a more mature attitude to relationships this season. You can be split up with someone for years and still have feelings for them but that doesn't mean you keep trying to make something work when it just plain doesn't. You then meet someone you have bigger feelings for and it does work and that's that ;)

I agree with this and I have nothing to add. :)

[Clana4Life]

She cut him off because she feels something for Clark and doesn't want to hear about Lana anymore.

I thought that too, Liquid-Prince, b/c she's never done that before. And this isn't the first time that Clark has talked about Lana with Lois. But this is the first time she referred to them as a rollercoaster and stopped the conversation dead in its tracks. I also thought that maybe was just consumed with thoughts of Oliver and didn't want to hear about anyone else's drama.

[Liquid-Prince]

I thought that too, Liquid-Prince, b/c she's never done that before. And this isn't the first time that Clark has talked about Lana with Lois. But this is the first time she referred to them as a rollercoaster and stopped the conversation dead in its tracks. I also thought that maybe was just consumed with thoughts of Oliver and didn't want to hear about anyone else's drama.

Probably a mix of both.

[Alicia Chipy]

Lois obviously still cares about Ollie,but realises it won't work between them.That extra something she and Clark will have isn't present with Ollie.She will be willing to wait for the hero then.
I thought the Lollie seen were very bittersweet and on the money.

[AndiGirl]

You dont just lose feelings for someone...it takes time.
The only thing that stuck out to me was Lois kept saying "I just cant be with a man who has a hero complex."

I know, of course Lois doesnt know clark will become superman. But wouldnt that discourage clark from having feelings for lois...because he knows she doesnt want to go there??

[Clana4Life]

Did she realize that? Because sounded as if she said she wondered if she made the right decision by letting him go. I didn't see Lois realize that it wouldn't work. I saw her doubt her decision. We really needed Oliver's reaction to all of this. What are his feelings? It's kind of unfair that they didn't show this. I think had he said he still loved her and always would love her on his deathbed, we might see Lollie become revived.

[WickedJenn]

I wouldn't expect their feelings to go away immediately.

However, I noticed Clark was definitely not angsty in any way with a mention of Lana which was VERY nice.

I see what you mean Andi. In "Siren" though, Clark says to Lois that it doesn't mean her life has to take a backseat to that. He's right, it won't because HE wouldn't allow that.

Once they do get together, she'll see that.

Kind of an ironic statement but also a huge anvil from Lois ;)

I agree with you Clana4Life in that it would've been nice to see Ollie's reaction to all that.

[Clana4Life]

AndiGirl, how much time are we talking about? It's been over a year and her feeling seem as strong as ever.
And yes, I agree - her line about "hero-complexes would discourage Clark I would think.

[individuall]

You dont just lose feelings for someone...it takes time.
The only thing that stuck out to me was Lois kept saying "I just cant be with a man who has a hero complex."

I know, of course Lois doesnt know clark will become superman. But wouldnt that discourage clark from having feelings for lois...because he knows she doesnt want to go there??

See that bugged me too...But then Val brought up a good point in another thread...It seemed like when she said 'I just can't be with a man who has a hero complex' it was more about her own self worth...Like she didn't think she was good enough to be loved by someone like that...Ollie obviously cared about her, but to me he was always putting her second in his life...Sometimes even like an after thought...He had good reason too, but it probably just made Lois feel like she wasn't good enough for him...So maybe instead of discouraging Clark from having feelings...It'll encourage him to show her that she is good enough to be loved by someone like that and even though sometimes he'll have to leave her behind he'll always come back to her...Does that make any sense?

[geminis]

Crystal clear! Lois in her monologue to comatose Ollie was obviously very down on herself. She was mocking Ollie as usual because he didn't hold up his end of the bargain but where she got really emotional was in saying that she also failed. And Clark, being Clark, believes in everybody, he's not going to let Lois wallow, as evidenced by his comeback when she is later denigrating herself, saying she's just the person writing about 'The Man of Tomorrow (!!!!!!)'. He's like, "there's nothing wrong with that."

[Clana4Life]

See that bugged me too...But then Val brought up a good point in another thread...It seemed like when she said 'I just can't be with a man who has a hero complex' it was more about her own self worth...Like she didn't think she was good enough to be loved by someone like that...Ollie obviously cared about her, but to me he was always putting her second in his life...Sometimes even like an after thought...He had good reason too, but it probably just made Lois feel like she wasn't good enough for him...So maybe instead of discouraging Clark from having feelings...It'll encourage him to show her that she is good enough to be loved by someone like that and even though sometimes he'll have to leave her behind he'll always come back to her...Does that make any sense?

Yeah, it does. And I think you're right, Lois probably does have some inferiority complex - like she's not good enough. I just think these two (Clark/Lois) have too many unresolved feelings for their ex's to move on to another relationship. I'm all for Clois - but I'm also aware that all we're going to get this year are longing glances and angst. They won't dabble into a relationship from what I've heard and maybe that's for the best at this point. Maybe they need to get over Lana and Oliver, respectively. And I guess that might take the whole year

[individuall]

^I agree..But I think when Lana comes back Clana will (hopefully) get the real honest closure it deserves..We'll have to wait and see on that one...
As for Lollie I think that in some ways tonight really did shut the book on them. Yes, Lois realized that there were lingering feelings there, however, they weren't strong enough for her to prompt her to try again with Ollie...Even though she does still obviously cares about him she 'trusts her gut' and knows that she broke up with him for a reason.. There was something missing from there relationship and she knows that in the end it's just not going to work out.

[geminis]

Lois is still angsty over Oliver IMHO but it seems to me that Clark has lost his guilt complex over Lana. IIRC Lois was the dumper and Clark was the dumpee in their individual relationships. That has to make a difference. Lois dumped Oliver to let him be a superhero and Lana did the same for Clark. One was a face to face; the other by video.
Heart to heart, painful, but dear john'd, ouch! So it didn't surprise me when Clark didn't seem too torn up when he mentioned watching Lana's kiss off video over and over.

It seems to me though, that neither are completely done expressing their feelings. I don't think the book has completely shut on either pairing; certainly not on Clana, we'll see about Lollie.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

It seems to me though, that neither are completely done expressing their feelings. I don't think the book has completely shut on either pairing; certainly not on Clana, we'll see about Lollie.

I agree on some of this and disagree at the same time :o

I think with Lois a lot of it is insecurity. She even talks about her 'fragile ego'. Lois doesn't know how to deal with emotions and buries them under a front of bravado. So yes in this eppie she has had to confront whatever lingering feelings she has for Ollie but at the same time she is quick to tell Clark that she may have played 'nurse' with Ollie but they didn't play 'doctor'. The relationship is still OVER. This doesn't mean she doesn't have regrets about it but to me it was plain she isn't planning on revisiting it either. And if interviews with JH are right then this is the year Oliver has several love interests so it will be plain as day that he has moved on so why in hell would Lois pine after him? The door on Lois and Oliver is closed IMO. And there's no point in rehashing it. None. What does it do to progress the characters to where they're supposed to end up? Nothing. Therefore it's pointless.

The door on Clark and Lana is obviously gonna be stepped through when she returns. Seeing Clark not pining or doing the whole dropped chin/broken hearted reaction when he said he had watched the DVD again was very telling to me. He still has feelings, yes, but this is the guy that made the MAJOR DECISION to leave the past in the past and to make a new life for himself, remember? When she comes back he will have to revisit their relationship the same way Lois has just done with Ollie and I for one just hope that it is ended on a good note for both Clark and Lana so they can leave it behind once and for all. No-one can say they didn't try to make their relationship work time after time after time after time after time after time after time :\ So at SOME POINT they were gonna have to read the signs and realize whatever they had wasn't enough. Full stop. That's what ADULTS do.

And I wouldn't say never to Clark and Lois in Smallville. Their relationship is changing. A lot of people seem to forget that the back end of the season hasn't even been written yet. If the show is renewed and IF TW signs up again and there is a season nine then I think it will seriously effect the tail end of the season and how it's written. So we all have to wait and see how far they take it. I'd have said all bets were off at this point until the spoilers for episodes 12/13 and onwards start to filter through. Plus the Superman movie reboot is put back now to something like 2010 maybe even as far as 2012 so if there were any worries about that then they don't exist anymore. The CW and the writers have all pimped the Clois way way way too much for it to end with them just giving longing looks at each other. We might not get a happily ever after/I love you/full reveal on Clark's secret/get engaged type scenario at the end but I do think we'll get the beginnings of a relationship. Otherwise why pimp it the way they have - Hero's Passion trailer and Legendary Love in the Maxima trailer anyone??? ;)

[individuall]

^indubitably (Look Annie I'm up to the 'I's' now :p)

[citizenlen]

I definitely think the "hero complex" goes back to her father. He's a general who leads men and save the world that his own children are always second thought.

Raising her little sister and if her father will come home alive was probably quite a burden and worrisome to her.

She probably didn't want to hear anything about Clark and Lana because well...you know how you don't want to hear other people's problems because it so similar to yours. so the rollercoaster relationship is not just Clana, but about Lois and Oliver too.

[ginnyfan]

I just thought it was interesting that Clark talked about how feelings just don't go away. He talked about Lana - which will set the stage for Lana's return. I'm surprised that Lois cut him off though. She's usually very supportive when it comes to Clana.What I mean is that she usually at least listens or gives Clark a shoulder to cry on. Today she wasn't having any of that, though.
It was very obvious how much she's not over Oliver. I can't see a Clois until Clark and Lois deal with the strong, lingering feelings they have for their ex's. Whatever feelings Lois may have for Clark (and it seems a little one side at the moment. I haven't see Clark show that much interest in her yet. I'm sure it's coming) -- anyway, whatever feelings she may have for Clark, they don't hold a candle to her love for Oliver. I think the same goes for Clark's feelings for Lana. How can Clois start a relationship with so much baggage (i.e., lingering love for Ollie/Lana)? What do you guys think?

I didn't see it as baggage blocking Clois. I saw it as the natural residue of a broken heart. I think it shows that both Lois and Clark have broken hearts that are healing. They were there for each other as friends. Lois has often been rather impatient with Clark when it comes to Clana. LOL! I think she's allergic to brooding whiny Clark.

But I like that the writers are respecting Clana and Lollie and the place that those relationships hold in Lois and Clark's hearts.

By the end of the scene both acknowledged that they are in the process of moving on.

[Kal-ed]

Doesn't matter if there are still lingering feelings. If something doesn't work it doesn't work and BOTH people have to work at it. Thing is there have been many relationships where couples have loved each other and that hasn't been enough. Both Lois and Lana did the brave thing by realizing that and walking away. IMO Lois was more honorable about it cos she did it face to face *shrugs* to me the Lana break up with Clark was but one step from dumping him by text. :(

So I think Lois realized in this eppie that she still has feelings but that they aren't enough to make it work. And I would expect the same to happen with Clark when Lana returns. PLUS Lana's return gives it a better ending than the DVD Dear John/Clark. Both Lois and Clark are showing a more mature attitude to relationships this season. You can be split up with someone for years and still have feelings for them but that doesn't mean you keep trying to make something work when it just plain doesn't. You then meet someone you have bigger feelings for and it does work and that's that ;)


Im a cloiser and as much as Id like to agree with you, I dont.

I half agree with the OP cause Lois (at least as was shown in this episode) is NOT over Ollie, Clark on the other hand seemed past much of the drama, that´s why he said that some feelings remain, bu he seemed ok about it.

Lois on the other hand, they just shattered Clois for me this season, too bad:( Im not going to buy that after her speaches today, three or four episodes down the line we hear she´s starting to have feelings for Clark cause I wont buy it, further more the only problem she has with Olliver is one she will still have with Clark (the hero thing) and her ridiculous insecurities would be multiplied exponentially once she learns what Clark is capable off, at least staying in line with the Lois they showed us today.

[ShelbyKent]

I know, of course Lois doesnt know clark will become superman. But wouldnt that discourage clark from having feelings for lois...because he knows she doesnt want to go there?? Maybe the writers/TPTB wanted to explore why it will take Clois some time to seriously hook-up because they have issues / emotional baggage from their previous relationships. I hope the show would subtly explore how they overcome these things (I say subtly because I'd still like the show to focus on Clark becoming Superman)

[Kal-ed]

But Lois´s inferiority complex is completely OOC, its one thing to have a softer side but this is just ridiculous "He´s the man of tomorrow, Im just the girl who writes the story" Boo hoo hoo, somebody call the "Whaaaambulance" in the words of Clark Kent, "doesnt sound like you Lois"

[LovelyLoisLane]

I didn't think it was OOC at all. When it comes to her job she has a HUGE ego, but when it comes to romance she's been burned so many times that she doesn't think she's cut out to be in one.

I can totally relate. The fact that we that side of her so rarely doesn't make it out of character to me, but just a hidden facet. She has been confiding some of those insecurities to Clark lately as well, so I think had it been someone else in the scene instead of Clark she wouldn't have said anything.

[Kal-ed]

I dont think its that she doesnt think she´s cut out for a relationships, her reasons where very specific, she thinks she´s not worthy of Oliver "the man of tomorrow". Im glad you liked it, I didnt, I prefer a more confident Lois Lane, or at least not one acting as if she were a peasant, who mistakenly dated a king and sudenly realized the diference in status, he´s just rich Lois, not a god.

but if your right and this is a hidden facet and she´s acting in character then I dont like SV Lois that much anymore, I prefered her when she resembled more the comic´s Lois. I understood her in siren but its time she had gotten over that feeling of not being enough.

ETA: was I the only one who felt like it was the sort of like the Siren conversation recycled with a little bit less ice cream and less tears??

[amberdawn]

It's very possible to have feelings for someone else while you're still getting over another love. I'm sorry it was ruined for you though. :(

[Kal-ed]

Not completely ruined but definetively stained, I mean if it happens, I dont want it to seem like a rebound thing, since a few epis before she thought she had made a mistake breaking up with Ollie.

Or contrived, I mean is she still having doubts and incredible insecurities about dating people she consider´s "above" her, how can she even phantom dating the world´s greatest and mightiest hero of them all, when she broke up with Ollie for that same reason, also if Clark´s know´s how she feels why on earth would he put himself and Lois in a situation he know´s weighs so much on Lois, which is the hero thing, or is he planning on dating Lois and lying to her for the rest of their lives?? I really thought she´d get over it after Siren.

Finally I dont want it to be angsty and if one or both of them are still hung up on someone else, drama is expected to rear its ugly head and Id rather they just remain friends for the rest of the show.

Just look at the quality of Lois´s scenes, to me and other fellow Cloiser friends I have, its the worst (the only bad one) Clois scene so far, this season.

Lollie has been detrimental for Lois, even before their original break up, in Siren she ran to him and he knew she would, this time, ok he was hurt but it shook her so much, I thought that in the process Lois would realize they werent meant to be, but aparently nursing Ollie just sparked her feelings again, both her love for him and her ridiculous insecurities and she reverted back to the rudeness (and not in a good way, as all Lois´s have been) she threaded Clark with, like in Rage, she was outright nasty with Clark in the hospital scene and didnt even bother to thank him after he invited Ollie to the Thanksgiving dinner.

We´r back to that and it bothers me, a lot of people here can atest to this, I love Lois, I defend her everytime she gets senselessly bashed, or unfarily judged, Im self admited cloiser and a Loiser but I must remain objective and true to what I think and what I think is that its really unfair of Lois (and not in the regular tomboyish rudness that´s so cute in her) to talk and talk about Olliver but a soon as Clark mentioned the Lana video she turned into this shrue thing I thought we were past and dissed it, it didnt even look like he planned on delving further into the Clana subject, it was just as a parallel of what was happening between Lois and Olliver, is that the kind of friend she was thriving to be in that last scene in Apocalypse?? so it takes Lana being in a coma so Clark can talk about his feelings?? bleh, they blew it (Clois) even in the friendship department.

[darkone]

I'm loving that they have Lana or his feelings for her very much present in Clark's heart.And sorry the more they show Clark telling Lois how strong his feelings for Lana are the more I call bullsh*t on Clois.

[vyperman7]

While I do agree that Lois is obviously not over Oliver, I somewhat disagree about Clark/Lana. While Clark is not completely over her, I think this episode did a good job showing that he is at least starting to accept it and move on with his life. In past seasons, you would see him pining away. At least now, he has a job to focus on instead of being stuck on the farm, and he is spending more and more time with Lois.

[WickedJenn]

While I do agree that Lois is obviously not over Oliver, I somewhat disagree about Clark/Lana. While Clark is not completely over her, I think this episode did a good job showing that he is at least starting to accept it and move on with his life. In past seasons, you would see him pining away. At least now, he has a job to focus on instead of being stuck on the farm, and he is spending more and more time with Lois.

I agree, Lois is not completely over Oliver. But, as she said, "they broke up for a reason". She is sticking to her guns on that.

ITA on Clark. As I posted earlier, for the first time in well, seven years, Clark showed absolutely no signs of angst upon mention of Lana. That was so refreshing, I had to blink a few times to make sure!

[RedKalEL]

She cut him off because she feels something for Clark and doesn't want to hear about Lana anymore.


and she knew most of US didn't want to hear about lana lol

[Estro-gen X]

I don't think what he said means that clana fans should rejoice. He loves lana but that love doesn't mean they will get back together. More likely is that that love will change and become something different. Hopefully very close friends.
If anyone wants to read a spectacular comic story with lana pick up supergirl #34 on stands now. She'll be a presence in that comic for the forseeable future.

[DontCha]

um, in interviews by cast and crew they've already said that Lollie wont be getting back together and by the time Lana comes back clark will be moving on.

[WickedJenn]

um, in interviews by cast and crew they've already said that Lollie wont be getting back together and by the time Lana comes back clark will be moving on.

Yep exactly.

[loistickyfingerz]

If Lois seems OOC, I personally put the blame on Kelly Souders & Brian Peterson. IMO, they never fully understood or frankly, liked Lois. In episodes they wrote with Lois in the past she always seemed OOC and she often came across as some kind of sex-object ( e.g. Exposed).

While I enjoyed the line about not taking a ride on the Clana roller-coaster, I felt a bitterness about Lana from Lois that came out of left field. Almost as if it was stuck in there to "foreshadow" something unusually artificial in the story-line.

In other words, it almost felt like it was just some cute kind of shout out to the fan saying "look, we're saying something we think you'll get a kick out of" when in fact it came off as OOC and lousy character development.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Im a cloiser and as much as Id like to agree with you, I dont.

I half agree with the OP cause Lois (at least as was shown in this episode) is NOT over Ollie, Clark on the other hand seemed past much of the drama, that´s why he said that some feelings remain, bu he seemed ok about it.

Lois on the other hand, they just shattered Clois for me this season, too bad:( Im not going to buy that after her speaches today, three or four episodes down the line we hear she´s starting to have feelings for Clark cause I wont buy it, further more the only problem she has with Olliver is one she will still have with Clark (the hero thing) and her ridiculous insecurities would be multiplied exponentially once she learns what Clark is capable off, at least staying in line with the Lois they showed us today.

It's obvious you're quite upset about this and I'm sorry to see that but I'm still going to disagree - particularly on the phrase 'ridiculous insecurities'. So this girl is just supposed to drop all the insecurities that were built throughout her childhood after one mature relationship? Really? Gosh. I wish I'd had that experience when I started dating. You're talking about something very deep here and a Lois that is still learning from her relationships and growing. Ollie was the first guy we have seen her really love to any degree and the very fact she was so manic when she realized what those feelings were in Hydro shows us how she really doesn't know how to deal with them. Same way she's not comfortable with the touchy feely stuff and doesn't how how to 'do sad' as she told Clark at the end of Apocalypse. And for me that streak of vulnerability in a Lois Lane is both refreshing, new and adds a dimension to her character that makes me like her even more. It humanizes her. Lets us see that a woman who is not entirely 'perfect' is as deserving of the love of a 'superhero' as someone who could hold their own in the superhero world like Wonder Woman or Lori Lemaris or whoever :rolleyes: So I LOVE this streak of vulnerability and the fact that Clark can see it and knows when she's trying to hide her feelings.

In fact for her to show that vulnerability to him is as big as thing as him sharing his secrets with others would be. He hides behind mild mannered farm boy/reporter and one day the Superman persona - she hides behind brash and reckless and brazen while having a vulnerability that many women (and men for that matter) can understand. Both of them hide who they really are from the real world in their own ways. And for both one of their major weaknesses is that of the heart and emotions.

So learning to deal with her emotions regarding Ollie is as much a growth experience for Lois as anything that happens to Clark. And there is an irony to the things she says about Ollie and him being a hero/man of tomorrow yada yada yada because we all know she ends up with Clark who will be all these things and more. What makes the difference is the MAN. To me showing their relationship as Clark and Lois as opposed to Clark and Lois and Superman allows us to see that he IS there for her and DOESN'T leave her behind and that their friendship is a great foundation to build on. He will already have proved they have a stronger foundation than Oliver and Lois by the time the Superman persona comes along. Oliver and Lois' relationship, lets face facts here, was based on a foundation of mutual lust - and funnily enough in the end that wasn't strong enough even with love. Clark and Lois' relationship is based on friendship then a growing mutual respect, they're learning to trust each other more and more - then add in the passion and the love? Well that to me is a MUCH stronger relationship in the end.

Again I'm sorry you feel that way but to me not a chance is Lois going to revisit the Ollie relationship again. She still stings from it and will probably always have a part of her that loves him but it won't be a patch on what she feels for Clark in the end. And think of it this way - having watched the never ending struggle of Clark and Lana trying to hold onto a relationship that was dead as a DoDo it's not like Lois doesn't know when Clark commits to someone he works at the relationship :p He's the least likely person to 'leave someone behind' in the universe Lois Lane currently inhabits... ;)

[Jade4813]

Hmmmm...

Yeah, I have to say, that last scene, I did feel like some of the language was OOC. "He's the man of tomorrow; I'm just the girl who writes about it." I think it's natural for Lois to realize, in the future, that in terms of how the world looks at Superman, it would seem like she's "just" the girl he loves. But I don't think she really lets that get to her. That is, she's not the kind of girl who feels like she's less than Clark.

I attributed this to OOC writing. :\

As far as Lois's feelings for Ollie...I don't think she's entirely moved on, but she was very clear that she knows that she broke up with him for a reason and she's trusting that those reasons still hold up. Which is essentially where I anticipate Clark being when Lana comes back. He'll realize that, of course, those feelings don't go away overnight. However, he and she aren't meant to be together, and so the reasons why it wouldn't work are still valid.

I don't expect Clark to be like, "I'm over you, beeyotch," any more than I would expect Lois to have been like, "Meh. Ollie can live or die for all I care."

But just because you have feelings doesn't mean you have to act on it...or even that you thnk acting on it is a good idea.

It could be like, as a friend told me a few days ago, a case of, "Well, I admit, I still have feelings for him because I can't snap my fingers and make it go away. But I'm going away for a couple weeks, and then he'll be away for a couple weeks and....I just feel like by the time he gets back and I see him again, I'll be over him."

I see where Kal-Ed is coming from in that I feel like the reasons Lois gave there at the end were OOC. I just attributed it to OOC writing though - because there really isn't a scenario where I can buy even with the character within Smallville - that Lois would feel that way. The same woman who joked with Lana about having her own billionaire isn't going to feel like she doesn't belong in that world. I don't think it was OOC just because I didn't like it; I think it's clear that this was OOC within the context of how Lois has been presented in the show. Honestly? I got the feeling that they were wanting to give a reason that would still be ironic (and drop some anvils) but wouldn't be the same reason they used in "Siren" because they know some people took that the way that I don't think they intended it to be taken. And they just missed the mark there.

I don't like the OOC-ness of that, but like all OOC moments (and there have been many in the series), I accept that they must be dealt with or ignored.

Sorry it tainted things for you, Kal.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Lollie has been detrimental for Lois, even before their original break up, in Siren she ran to him and he knew she would, this time, ok he was hurt but it shook her so much, I thought that in the process Lois would realize they werent meant to be, but aparently nursing Ollie just sparked her feelings again, both her love for him and her ridiculous insecurities and she reverted back to the rudeness (and not in a good way, as all Lois´s have been) she threaded Clark with, like in Rage, she was outright nasty with Clark in the hospital scene and didnt even bother to thank him after he invited Ollie to the Thanksgiving dinner.

We´r back to that and it bothers me, a lot of people here can atest to this, I love Lois, I defend her everytime she gets senselessly bashed, or unfarily judged, Im self admited cloiser and a Loiser but I must remain objective and true to what I think and what I think is that its really unfair of Lois (and not in the regular tomboyish rudness that´s so cute in her) to talk and talk about Olliver but a soon as Clark mentioned the Lana video she turned into this shrue thing I thought we were past and dissed it, it didnt even look like he planned on delving further into the Clana subject, it was just as a parallel of what was happening between Lois and Olliver, is that the kind of friend she was thriving to be in that last scene in Apocalypse?? so it takes Lana being in a coma so Clark can talk about his feelings?? bleh, they blew it (Clois) even in the friendship department.

Already talked about the insecurities bit but want to discuss the 'rudeness'.

Couple of things first:

1/ Lois is in the same clothes as the night before and Clark has just told her Chloe told him she didn't come home... (Lois has been up ALL NIGHT)

2/ Lois is trying to hide her feelings and the last thing she wants to do is discuss them with someone who understands (that to her would help her wallow not help her get on with it)

So you have a girl who is tired and emotional who doesn't 'do sad' and has been trying to bury herself in work. She's vulnerable and I dunno about most women but if it was me and I was tired, emotional,vulnerable and trying to bury myself in work the last thing I want is a friend to come along and turn me into a blubbering heap in the WORKPLACE.
Plus we all know Lois doesn't like doing the breaking down in public thing. In Siren she went away and hid with a tub of ice cream. I doubt had that scene been played out in the Talon coffee shop with a crowd that Lois and Clark would even have HAD that conversation.

Clark was trying to help in his own way, and Lois knows that I think. I just don't think she wanted it there and then. Thats how I read that scene. And the fact she then said her piece, threw 'free advice' at him at la Lois, threw the story she didn't want at him and stole his coffee left him with a smile on his face. He knows she gonna be okay cos she's back to being Lois. That was my take on it.

So I have NO PROBLEM with seeing their relationship continuing to build. But again I'm sorry you've lost faith. I really am.

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While I do agree that Lois is obviously not over Oliver, I somewhat disagree about Clark/Lana. While Clark is not completely over her, I think this episode did a good job showing that he is at least starting to accept it and move on with his life. In past seasons, you would see him pining away. At least now, he has a job to focus on instead of being stuck on the farm, and he is spending more and more time with Lois.

ITA with this except for the Lois/Oliver part :D (hopefully why makes sense in my posts) Still love your vids tho Ryan ;)

[geminis]

Oh, I agree with you that Lois and Oliver aren't going to revisit the relationship; to paraphrase Estrogen X, Lois loves Oliver but that love doesn't mean they'll get back together. But the feelings, once you have them, are still hard to let go. And Lois has always had a hard time dealing with feelings, stemming all the way back to her father. Which is exactly why she can commit to Clark/Superman; she knows that even if he's running all over the place, he's always coming back to her. He stands head and shoulders above the rest in understanding her, protecting her, but also allowing her freedom, something nobody else will ever do. Right now Oliver is too close to the surface, but it'll take Clark to go skin deep.

[Jade4813]

Lets us see that a woman who is not entirely 'perfect' is as deserving of the love of a 'superhero' as someone who could hold their own in the superhero world like Wonder Woman or Lori Lemaris or whoever :rolleyes:

Yeah...I think that was kinda where I had a problem.

In the comics, even, I think Lois realizes that there is a difference between being with Clark and being with a man like Clark/Superman. She does have her moments of insecurity. At the beginning of...gahhh!...that storyline that I can't think of the title of off the top of my head, the one where Clark has to fight on Valhalla for a thousand years...I think it's clear that Lois has some insecurities.

She makes a comment about the stupid golden lasso, she wonders if golden bustierres (?) come in her size, and she gets really hostile when Jimmy says that he thinks there's something going on between Superman and WW. It's very, very clear that she feels insecure because the entire world thinks that Supes and WW are or at least SHOULD get together.

At the same time, I don't see Lois as considering herself "just Lois Lane" when it comes to a guy like Ollie. I could see it when it comes to the Green Arrow in the context of the show...because she's afraid of being left behind. But when it comes to Ollie...I just don't see her thinking she can't hold her own. Again, a woman who joked about having her own billionaire on several occasions doesn't sound like she thinks she can't live up to that.

Of course SHE knows that Ollie IS the Green Arrow, and she DOESN'T know that Clark knows it. So I could believe that she was just trying to express her feelings in a way that talked about the issue without being too revealing about it - as she did in Siren, when she talked about "Ollie's" responsibilities, etc. I just think they made it less clear that this is what they were doing than they had in Siren.


Again I'm sorry you feel that way but to me not a chance is Lois going to revisit the Ollie relationship again. She still stings from it and will probably always have a part of her that loves him but it won't be a patch on what she feels for Clark in the end. And think of it this way - having watched the never ending struggle of Clark and Lana trying to hold onto a relationship that was dead as a DoDo it's not like Lois doesn't know when Clark commits to someone he works at the relationship :p He's the least likely person to 'leave someone behind' in the universe Lois Lane currently inhabits... ;)

Indeed. I don't think they'll hit it again. I think this was their way of saying that you don't get over feelings right away, but you do move on, and just because you care about someone doesn't mean you should be with them, could be with them...or even that you want to be with them. And some day, as anvils drop, you will find someone you love more.

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Already talked about the insecurities bit but want to discuss the 'rudeness'.

Couple of things first:

1/ Lois is in the same clothes as the night before and Clark has just told her Chloe told him she didn't come home... (Lois has been up ALL NIGHT)

2/ Lois is trying to hide her feelings and the last thing she wants to do is discuss them with someone who understands (that to her would help her wallow not help her get on with it)

So you have a girl who is tired and emotional who doesn't 'do sad' and has been trying to bury herself in work. She's vulnerable and I dunno about most women but if it was me and I was tired, emotional,vulnerable and trying to bury myself in work the last thing I want is a friend to come along and turn me into a blubbering heap in the WORKPLACE.
Plus we all know Lois doesn't like doing the breaking down in public thing. In Siren she went away and hid with a tub of ice cream. I doubt had that scene been played out in the Talon coffee shop with a crowd that Lois and Clark would even have HAD that conversation.

Clark was trying to help in his own way, and Lois knows that I think. I just don't think she wanted it there and then. Thats how I read that scene. And the fact she then said her piece, threw 'free advice' at him at la Lois, threw the story she didn't want at him and stole his coffee left him with a smile on his face. He knows she gonna be okay cos she's back to being Lois. That was my take on it.

So I have NO PROBLEM with seeing their relationship continuing to build. But again I'm sorry you've lost faith. I really am.

:lol:

You know what this part reminded me of, when I was reading your post about it?

Early Clana.

Clark: "I'm going through a really hard time right now because of X, Y, and Z."

Lana: "I know I've been having a hard time recently because of A, B, and C."

The conversation shifts to talking all about Lana and ignoring Clark's problems.

Me: "Now wasn't the time for your pity party, Lana. Yours comes later, but Clark's is scheduled right now and he has much a right to talk and worry about his problems as you do. Only one pity party at a time!"

Honestly, when you're having a problem, you don't necessarily want to talk about someone else's problem, no matter how much you love them...as a friend or otherwise. Because you can barely handle your own issue right then, so until you finish processing the one, you cannot take on the other or the emotional weight that comes with it.

It's like last night, when I found out I had a week to write a 40 page paper and apparently what I had done so far had to be chucked, my conclusions rethought, etc. And I go home and my boyfriend is like, "Well, I know that I had a meeting with my professor about the paper due at the end of the year, and he said I needed to do more research."

I wanted to kill him right then. Not because I didn't sympathize with his dilemma, but I had my own issue right then, and it was all I could do to keep it together while I processed it. In another couple hours, we could have talked about my boyfriend's problems with no worries, but I just could not handle it right then.

I was having my moment. I needed my moment to be appreciated and dealt with. Not turned into someone else's moment like they used to do with Clark/Lana conversations in earlier seasons.

[geminis]

Jade, if only your professor could read your posts here. He'd see no muddiness or misapplied thinking. You go clearly and directly to the target. And how dare your boyfriend be a guy and not allow you your moment?

[Jade4813]

He also said, "I think you're getting more upset than you should be, under the circumstances."

It is a miracle - a miracle, I tell you - that that man is still alive. :lol:

[LuckyLois]

Lois is fiercely protective of her friends and Ollie being on his deathbed I'm sure brought back alot of feelings that she has and had for him. Just because you break-up with someone doesn't mean mean you don't care anymore or think What If. I think this is the way the writers wanted to get Clark and Lois to explore their real feelings out in the open with each other and maybe see what is in front of them. His expression after she told him "you broke up for a reason and to trust your gut" had a lightbulb little reaction. Remember his Mom told him the same thing after he broke up with Lana in SV5.

I think the anvils are starting to fall although subtle, and by exploring their past feelings they will discover their true feelings.

[Dor el]

For this first time, I am beginning to be able to envision Clark and SV Lois together. I think that they are no where near the legendary couple they will eventually become, but I saw glimpses of what will be. Lois continuing to hold a spot in her heart for Ollie is a good thing, I think, just as it is good that Clark has a spot in his heart for Lana. Lois and Clark probably always will have feelings for Ollie and Lana. And I think they should hold onto significant parts of there past as their respective pasts are part of who they are now and who they will become. If either or both of them was/were able to totally and immediately dismiss people who were very important to them, how could either trust the other to be dependable in a relationship, loyal, and responsive in the future? That Clark still has feelings for Lana, although those feelings are way different now (hopefully), should be some comfort to Lois in the future. It shows his feelings and his efforts at a relationship are reliable. It shows he loves completely so when he tells her he loves her in the future. Lois will be able to believe that. The same goes for Lois. Lois had feelings for Ollie the man first, and she rejected a relationship with Ollie the hero. Perhaps she did this because she didn't feel worthy or because she didn't want to play second fiddle to the world or what ever. In the future, Lois falls for Superman first in the Lois//Superman relationship. She knows Clark and she likes Clark, but it is Superman who catches her eye first. An infatuation perhaps, but still she is enamored with Superman. She learns to trust, depend on, and share herself with Clark. In time she comes to accept all of who Clark is and accepts him completely.

Clark, at the moment, is learning to accept himself and all that he is so he has some pretty stifling issues to deal with himself. I think his simple "'s-Okay" response to Lois's I don't want to talk about Lana was very telling. He is no longer drowning in his love for Lana. He still loves her, but that love is morphing into a more healthy memory of what was, but was not meant to be. All in all, I think that Clark and Lois are in good places right now. And isn't it nice to begin new relationships on good foundations?

[Jlvsclrk]

Quoting Jade4813: In the comics, even, I think Lois realizes that there is a difference between being with Clark and being with a man like Clark/Superman. She does have her moments of insecurity. At the beginning of...gahhh!...that storyline that I can't think of the title of off the top of my head, the one where Clark has to fight on Valhalla for a thousand years...I think it's clear that Lois has some insecurities.

I love that WW story from 2000 (Action 761). Around this time, Lois's feeling of unworth are growing because of the deal she made with Lex to sell the Daily Planet to Perry for a song, on condition that she one day kill a story of his choice. That story winds up being "Lex knew" and was complicit with Brainiac in Ours World at War, and thus responsible for her father's death. Ouch. Man I've loved a lot of the story arcs in the comics over the last decade. I wish the SV writers would read them and see some of the ideas they could be pursuing instead of love trianges that have passed their expiry date. OK, enough geekish ranting.

[Kal-ed]

I'm loving that they have Lana or his feelings for her very much present in Clark's heart.And sorry the more they show Clark telling Lois how strong his feelings for Lana are the more I call bullsh*t on Clois.


When where they shown present, he mentioned Lana in relation to what Lois was going through, not cause he hasnt moved on.

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Oh, I agree with you that Lois and Oliver aren't going to revisit the relationship; to paraphrase Estrogen X, Lois loves Oliver but that love doesn't mean they'll get back together. But the feelings, once you have them, are still hard to let go. And Lois has always had a hard time dealing with feelings, stemming all the way back to her father. Which is exactly why she can commit to Clark/Superman; she knows that even if he's running all over the place, he's always coming back to her. He stands head and shoulders above the rest in understanding her, protecting her, but also allowing her freedom, something nobody else will ever do. Right now Oliver is too close to the surface, but it'll take Clark to go skin deep.

SPOILER We vitually know for sure Lollie wont be revisited, its the credibility and quality of Clois that worries me SPOILER

One thing Im really bothered about is that if she´s not ok with Ollie I dont see her being ok with Clark, it would be like breaking up with a cop cause of the dangerous nature of the job and the fact that they are more or less on duty 24 hrs, they can be called at any time, just to go and date a special forces soldier:rolleyes: kind of a selfcontradicting logic if you ask me.

The thing is, couldnt they just have a diferent reason, Gawd damn it, really I mean, why does it have to be something that clearly aplys to Clois as well, why does it have to be some external reason and not a simple "we´r not meant to be", its like they are forcing themselves apart.

I posted this way way back when I joined the forum, If there´s ever a Clois in Smallville I want Clana to be done with and properly at that (I didnt count on Lollie), I wanted it to be cristal clear that it wasnt a star crossed lover´s thing, that Clark settled for Lois cause for a miriad of exteranl reasons he couldnt be with Lana, I want it to be a choice, if not there would always be this little "what if..." that would have gotten in the way of things. Same with Lollie, if they keep breaking up for external reasons and Lois is still questioning whethere she made the right choice, no matter how hard she falls for Clark, deep down there would be an omnious "what if...". I want closure on both Clana and Lollie, real closure not just a "he´s too much for me" or "too busy for me" or "your destiny is greater than mine". I want a simple "we dont work as a couple, lets face it, its not that you´r off saving the world, its not about you being a hero, its about us as a couple, we dont work, I love you but "we" just dont make sense".

[geminis]

Unfortunately on Smallville very few things are ever very simple; it has after all been a superhero soap. And feelings aren't like voiding a check, it's a little more difficult to cancel them out. Hopefully by the time the whole shebang actually ends we will see finally have no more "what ifs". I want closure too, and it would be nice if it were obvious and in glaring neon "DONE".
As for Lois, as was stated earlier, I think it's more a fact that she doubts herself, not the superhero in her life. She's been surrounded by hero types her whole life but feels inadequate, like there is something lacking in her. Clark is able to see her sensitive nature behind the hard veneer and he is after all, the big boy scout who has faith in everyone, he's not going to let Lois doubt herself or their relationship.

[smallvillefreak24]

I am very glad he mentioned lana and stuff can't have enough CONTINUITY and with the veritas catastrophe we need as much we can get-clark has been in love with lana sense the beginning of time and they can't jsut act like she never existed and shove lois in to fill the void, so they need to get over their loves but it cant be a lightswitch

[umm]

I honestly can't blame Lois for not wanting to hear about the endless and mindnumbingly painful Clark/Lana saga of imature and unnecessarily overdramatised love, which makes one's gagrefex run on overdrive!

[Last Duchess]

You dont just lose feelings for someone...it takes time.
The only thing that stuck out to me was Lois kept saying "I just cant be with a man who has a hero complex."

I know, of course Lois doesnt know clark will become superman. But wouldnt that discourage clark from having feelings for lois...because he knows she doesnt want to go there??

discourage him to be with Lois, fearing he may break her heart and that sort of thing, or he may love Lois so much that he'd not "embrace his destiny" to become Superman, then history will be repeating itself (Lana).. We'll see. i'm really dying to see "Committed".

[Minela]

I think it was clear at the end of the episode when Lois said, "you have to trust your gut and know you broke up for a reason," that she is moving on. Plus, it was a very nice Clois anvil when she said to Ollie that maybe in their relationship nobody was supposed to be the hero. She wasn't supposed to be the sacrificing girl and he wasn't supposed to save the world. We all know what's coming in the future. :D

[kalelnica]

i wasn't expectin the im not over lana/oliver thing but i guess you cant avoid it. im hoping clark and lois dont lose their memories to fix this problem cause that would be stupid.

[Clana4Life]

Kal-Ed you make a lot of good points. This episode did not help Clois in my opinion. It will be pretty hard for fans to buy that she's developing feeling for Clark in the next few upcoming episodes when she pretty much poured out her heart to Oliver - essentially telling him how much she still loves him. I pretty much feel that if he had woken up and said that he loved her and never stopped, they would be revisiting the relationship. So this leaves a lot of questions still unanswered concerning Lollie. Too bad the writers didn't give them a scene after he woke up. Now if it's been over a year and she still feels this strongly about Oliver - it makes me think that Clark's feelings for Lana will barely have diminished when he sees her again. I would have expected Lois to be pretty much over Oliver at this stage in the game - but I guess not, so Clark "supposedly" getting over Lana will take what - another year? The way they set this up it does almost give you the feeling that Clark and Lois get together because they can't be with Lana and Lollie, respectively. I'm a Clois fan, and I don't want them to come together like this. I don't think the writers will give us a scene where Clark and Lois realize they love each other more than they have loved anyone else. I just think that if Oliver said "let's try again" Lois would say "okay" and the same for Clark and Lana. Will we ever get a "I love you but we don't work"? I don't think so. Even with Lana's return, I don't think so. Nope - just more "you're meant for the world," "I love you forever, but I have to let you...etc." Given Clois' history, they really don't need to make Clois seem like the alternative to Clana/Lollie. Just my two cents. :)

[amberdawn]

I see your point. Maybe they shouldn't be touching on Clois romance at all.

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But wouldnt that discourage clark from having feelings for lois...because he knows she doesnt want to go there??
Well, you really can't help it when you fall in love with someone, so that shouldn't keep him from loving her.

[wendelboe]

Well i would had liked if Black canary showed up, since they are destined to marry (in the comics anyway), i though they were lovers now and not Lois

[DontCha]

clark in regaurds to Clana and Lollie:

"even though the relationship is over(finished) it doesnt mean the feelings go away"

in other words, Clana is OVER, Lollie is OVER but theres still feelings.

feelings which need to be given PROPER closure, hence the fact they've told us that lois and oliver WONT be getting back together...EVERand the FACT that lana is coming and then LEAVING again..

..it just SCREAMS closure to the relationships for GOOD.

[geminis]

clark in regaurds to Clana and Lollie:

"even though the relationship is over(finished) it doesnt mean the feelings go away"

in other words, Clana is OVER, Lollie is OVER but theres still feelings.

feelings which need to be given PROPER closure, hence the fact they've told us that lois and oliver WONT be getting back together...EVERand the FACT that lana is coming and then LEAVING again..

..it just SCREAMS closure to the relationships for GOOD.

This is what I was trying to get at in my post. Well said, DontCha.

The feelings are not done, the romantic relationships are. I think in both cases those feelings will not necessarily go away, just evolve into friendship. Also, for both couples one half of the party was not present. It was a monologue, not a dialogue. Oliver, while technically present, was comatose and uncapable of reacting to Lois; Clark received a dear John video message, again, incapable of responding to Lana. I'm sure those 'ship ending dialogues are coming, for sure in Clark and Lana's case, we'll see about Lois and Oliver.

[TheLeague]

any1 wanna join me? im gonna go do clark a favour and kill lana before we get to episode 10 so i will save him the trouble of seeing her return! :cool:

[abbaspice1]

^^LOL^^

[LCforever]

I think when Lois said that they broke up for a reason, it meant that she is still going with her decision to not be with Ollie and Clark confirmed that even though they're broken up, the feelings don't go away but that's OK.

Translation: "We're both getting over our past flames and we need time to come to terms with it."

But eventually Lois and Clark will realize that the reason that they broke up with their past loves is so they can have THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL..which is the person that is standing right in front of them!

I know that a lot of people are skeptical of a SV Clois but we'll see what happens. I'm not losing hope yet. I get a sense that these new producers know the direction they want to take and I know for sure it's definitely not a merry-go-round called Clana.

You can tell that the cast is also very excited about where their direction is going. Just like as if the show is maturing. Who wants to be in high school for the rest of their lives anyway? :p

[msleggie]

I'm so with you on this!

[Iluvgreen]

wait a couple weeks.

[kiariclois]

Well, yes... for this time being, they're supposed to still feel the love they have for their exes. I found it really normal.

Lois is not over Ollie, and she didn't want to be with Ollie because of his hero complex, and it just to show how she (later one day) really loves the man she's bound to be with to even care about him having the hero complex. LOL. That's what I thought.

[borednow]

Wow people in Smallville having trouble moving forward... what a shocker!

[Kal-ed]

I think when Lois said that they broke up for a reason, it meant that she is still going with her decision to not be with Ollie and Clark confirmed that even though they're broken up, the feelings don't go away but that's OK.

Translation: "We're both getting over our past flames and we need time to come to terms with it."

But eventually Lois and Clark will realize that the reason that they broke up with their past loves is so they can have THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL..which is the person that is standing right in front of them!

I know that a lot of people are skeptical of a SV Clois but we'll see what happens. I'm not losing hope yet. I get a sense that these new producers know the direction they want to take and I know for sure it's definitely not a merry-go-round called Clana.

You can tell that the cast is also very excited about where their direction is going. Just like as if the show is maturing. Who wants to be in high school for the rest of their lives anyway? :p


Its not the fact that Lollie are apart or not, its the reason´s that disturb me, I know Lois is sticking with her decision, I just dont think her decision was based on valid reasons, at least not if we expect to have Lois being SUperman´s wife and be ok with it.

I know some people will hate me for saying this but iconic Superman is pretty much like Oliver from Smallville, he will spend as much time as he can with Lois but he will always put his duty as Superman first and formost, yes he will save her more often than other people and keep a special intrest in her safety, but he´d miss a dinner plan, or a picnic plan to save someone and Lois will have to deal with it. The diference here is that Lois shouldnt care about that specific thing, it shouldnt be the reason she´s breaking up with Ollie. Why use something that also aplys to Clois in a similar degree as a reason for Lollie to break up, first time around I was ok with it but this crap again is kind of anoying cause I thought it was just a nod to the SupermanII (MKLois made a very similar speach) I also thought that maybe Lois would be over those insecurities but she isnt, she just added a few more actually, now, per her own words "Oliver is the man of tomorrow, she´s just the girl who writes about it" well, we know CLARK and not Ollie is the man of tomorrow and guess what? she´s the one writting about it, how is the situation not fairly similar?? ANd how am I supposed to buy Lois being ok with it with Clark but it being a huge issue with Olliver... unless we actually hear her say something like "It was diferent with Ollie, I thought it was because he put his hero thing first but it turns out it was just because I didnt really love him, not as much as I love Clark" then Id buy it but since I dont expect them to, Clois is tainted for me.

[eas]

We´r back to that and it bothers me, a lot of people here can atest to this, I love Lois, I defend her everytime she gets senselessly bashed, or unfarily judged, Im self admited cloiser and a Loiser but I must remain objective and true to what I think and what I think is that its really unfair of Lois (and not in the regular tomboyish rudness that´s so cute in her) to talk and talk about Olliver but a soon as Clark mentioned the Lana video she turned into this shrue thing I thought we were past and dissed it, it didnt even look like he planned on delving further into the Clana subject, it was just as a parallel of what was happening between Lois and Olliver, is that the kind of friend she was thriving to be in that last scene in Apocalypse?? so it takes Lana being in a coma so Clark can talk about his feelings?? bleh, they blew it (Clois) even in the friendship department.

Of course, I think that you're right: You do need to be objective and not mindlessly defend Lois, even when she doesn't need it. I try to do it, myself.

However, in this case, I think that Lois doesn't really need defending. I totally got why she changed the subject from Clana... she's heard it all before, over and over again. As Jade pointed out - it was Lois's turn to vent and Clark's turn to listen. She wasn't being a bad friend, she was being an honest friend.

And, as far as roma Lollie is concerned vs. future roma Clois: Lois is still on a journey... and, yes, part of that is getting to the point where she is secure enough to be in a relationship with Superman. She's not there, yet. And that's partly why it didn't work out with Ollie. Just like Clark isn't in an emotional place where he can say he loves Lois or has even fallen in love with her -- he's not strong enough to handle Lois, right now. But he will be!! :)

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I know some people will hate me for saying this but iconic Superman is pretty much like Oliver from Smallville, he will spend as much time as he can with Lois but he will always put his duty as Superman first and formost, yes he will save her more often than other people and keep a special intrest in her safety, but he´d miss a dinner plan, or a picnic plan to save someone and Lois will have to deal with it. The diference here is that Lois shouldnt care about that specific thing, it shouldnt be the reason she´s breaking up with Ollie. Why use something that also aplys to Clois in a similar degree as a reason for Lollie to break up, first time around I was ok with it but this crap again is kind of anoying cause I thought it was just a nod to the SupermanII (MKLois made a very similar speach) I also thought that maybe Lois would be over those insecurities but she isnt, she just added a few more actually, now, per her own words "Oliver is the man of tomorrow, she´s just the girl who writes about it" well, we know CLARK and not Ollie is the man of tomorrow and guess what? she´s the one writting about it, how is the situation not fairly similar?? ANd how am I supposed to buy Lois being ok with it with Clark but it being a huge issue with Olliver... unless we actually hear her say something like "It was diferent with Ollie, I thought it was because he put his hero thing first but it turns out it was just because I didnt really love him, not as much as I love Clark" then Id buy it but since I dont expect them to, Clois is tainted for me.

The difference is how she views herself in the future (she'll be in her 30s vs. early 20s). Also, she'll love Clark more than she loves Ollie right now. That makes a huge difference. As a woman, I can tell you that there are sacrifices I've made for my husband (purely out of love) that I would NEVER have made for any other guy. In fact, if the 15 year old version of me were to wander through my life right now, she's be shocked out of her mind, because she'd never think that her life would be this way at 30. For example: My dad was a professor and we moved around 7-8 times in my childhood while he finished up grad school and tried to get tenure. I swore I'd never marry an academic and when I had kids I would never put them through what I went through. Guess what? I'm married to a guy getting his PhD and we've moved 3 times since we got married - we'll move again next year and then his search for tenure will begin. I've been perpetually broke since we got married and it's a re-run of the life I had with my dad. BUT I'm happy... because I love this guy that much and he's worth it. It's ironic and weird that it worked out that way, but that is the way life is....

Same with Lois... it's ironic and Clark will make her do things she'd never thought she'd do... just because she loves him that much.

[THE"Lurker"]

I agree on some of this and disagree at the same time :o

I think with Lois a lot of it is insecurity. She even talks about her 'fragile ego'. Lois doesn't know how to deal with emotions and buries them under a front of bravado. So yes in this eppie she has had to confront whatever lingering feelings she has for Ollie but at the same time she is quick to tell Clark that she may have played 'nurse' with Ollie but they didn't play 'doctor'. The relationship is still OVER. This doesn't mean she doesn't have regrets about it but to me it was plain she isn't planning on revisiting it either. And if interviews with JH are right then this is the year Oliver has several love interests so it will be plain as day that he has moved on so why in hell would Lois pine after him? The door on Lois and Oliver is closed IMO. And there's no point in rehashing it. None. What does it do to progress the characters to where they're supposed to end up? Nothing. Therefore it's pointless.

The door on Clark and Lana is obviously gonna be stepped through when she returns. Seeing Clark not pining or doing the whole dropped chin/broken hearted reaction when he said he had watched the DVD again was very telling to me. He still has feelings, yes, but this is the guy that made the MAJOR DECISION to leave the past in the past and to make a new life for himself, remember? When she comes back he will have to revisit their relationship the same way Lois has just done with Ollie and I for one just hope that it is ended on a good note for both Clark and Lana so they can leave it behind once and for all. No-one can say they didn't try to make their relationship work time after time after time after time after time after time after time :\ So at SOME POINT they were gonna have to read the signs and realize whatever they had wasn't enough. Full stop. That's what ADULTS do.

And I wouldn't say never to Clark and Lois in Smallville. Their relationship is changing. A lot of people seem to forget that the back end of the season hasn't even been written yet. If the show is renewed and IF TW signs up again and there is a season nine then I think it will seriously effect the tail end of the season and how it's written. So we all have to wait and see how far they take it. I'd have said all bets were off at this point until the spoilers for episodes 12/13 and onwards start to filter through. Plus the Superman movie reboot is put back now to something like 2010 maybe even as far as 2012 so if there were any worries about that then they don't exist anymore. The CW and the writers have all pimped the Clois way way way too much for it to end with them just giving longing looks at each other. We might not get a happily ever after/I love you/full reveal on Clark's secret/get engaged type scenario at the end but I do think we'll get the beginnings of a relationship. Otherwise why pimp it the way they have - Hero's Passion trailer and Legendary Love in the Maxima trailer anyone??? ;)

ITA i couldnt agree more with this bravo:cool:

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In other words, it almost felt like it was just some cute kind of shout out to the fan saying "look, we're saying something we think you'll get a kick out of" when in fact it came off as OOC and lousy character development.

While i agree with your most of your post the last part i have to disagree. For me yes it was rude but thats Lois. But OOC no. After seeing how heartbroken clark was over that DearJohn video and seeing that rollercoaster of a relationship. I think its perfectly fine for Lois not to be a Lana fan or have some distaste of her:cool:

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I posted this way way back when I joined the forum, If there´s ever a Clois in Smallville I want Clana to be done with and properly at that (I didnt count on Lollie), I wanted it to be cristal clear that it wasnt a star crossed lover´s thing, that Clark settled for Lois cause for a miriad of exteranl reasons he couldnt be with Lana, I want it to be a choice, if not there would always be this little "what if..." that would have gotten in the way of things. Same with Lollie, if they keep breaking up for external reasons and Lois is still questioning whethere she made the right choice, no matter how hard she falls for Clark, deep down there would be an omnious "what if...". I want closure on both Clana and Lollie, real closure not just a "he´s too much for me" or "too busy for me" or "your destiny is greater than mine". I want a simple "we dont work as a couple, lets face it, its not that you´r off saving the world, its not about you being a hero, its about us as a couple, we dont work, I love you but "we" just dont make sense".

Im sorry to hear about your concern on Clois but i do totally agree with this last part here. The last thing i want to think is that the Legendary love of Lois and Clark was because Clark settled for Lois. Not because he loved her or cared deeply for her. But just because "Hey shes hot, she likes me, why not?":cool: But tho i understand your concern i must say i dont think they will portray it this way or at least i hope they wont:cool:

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clark in regaurds to Clana and Lollie:

"even though the relationship is over(finished) it doesnt mean the feelings go away"

in other words, Clana is OVER, Lollie is OVER but theres still feelings.

feelings which need to be given PROPER closure, hence the fact they've told us that lois and oliver WONT be getting back together...EVERand the FACT that lana is coming and then LEAVING again..

..it just SCREAMS closure to the relationships for GOOD.

ITA I'd say both relationships are over and the revisiting of these feelings is only a way of closure for the both of them:cool:

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The difference is how she views herself in the future (she'll be in her 30s vs. early 20s). Also, she'll love Clark more than she loves Ollie right now. That makes a huge difference. As a woman, I can tell you that there are sacrifices I've made for my husband (purely out of love) that I would NEVER have made for any other guy. In fact, if the 15 year old version of me were to wander through my life right now, she's be shocked out of her mind, because she'd never think that her life would be this way at 30. For example: My dad was a professor and we moved around 7-8 times in my childhood while he finished up grad school and tried to get tenure. I swore I'd never marry an academic and when I had kids I would never put them through what I went through. Guess what? I'm married to a guy getting his PhD and we've moved 3 times since we got married - we'll move again next year and then his search for tenure will begin. I've been perpetually broke since we got married and it's a re-run of the life I had with my dad. BUT I'm happy... because I love this guy that much and he's worth it. It's ironic and weird that it worked out that way, but that is the way life is....

Same with Lois... it's ironic and Clark will make her do things she'd never thought she'd do... just because she loves him that much.

Well said eas:cool:

[Kal-ed]

Of course, I think that you're right: You do need to be objective and not mindlessly defend Lois, even when she doesn't need it. I try to do it, myself.

However, in this case, I think that Lois doesn't really need defending. I totally got why she changed the subject from Clana... she's heard it all before, over and over again. As Jade pointed out - it was Lois's turn to vent and Clark's turn to listen. She wasn't being a bad friend, she was being an honest friend.

I agree it was Lois´s turn to vent, no argument there but when I said this:


it didnt even look like he planned on delving further into the Clana subject, it was just as a parallel of what was happening between Lois and Olliver

its because as I saw the scene play out, it was pretty clear to me, Clark was not in anyway trying to shift the conversation about him and Lana, he was just making a quick parallel so Lois could put things in perspective and frankly it was a good example, that feelings just dont go away, I think Lois was rude in that scene and I dont feel like excusing her behaviour, as much as I love her.


The difference is how she views herself in the future (she'll be in her 30s vs. early 20s). Also, she'll love Clark more than she loves Ollie right now. That makes a huge difference. As a woman, I can tell you that there are sacrifices I've made for my husband (purely out of love) that I would NEVER have made for any other guy. In fact, if the 15 year old version of me were to wander through my life right now, she's be shocked out of her mind, because she'd never think that her life would be this way at 30. For example: My dad was a professor and we moved around 7-8 times in my childhood while he finished up grad school and tried to get tenure. I swore I'd never marry an academic and when I had kids I would never put them through what I went through. Guess what? I'm married to a guy getting his PhD and we've moved 3 times since we got married - we'll move again next year and then his search for tenure will begin. I've been perpetually broke since we got married and it's a re-run of the life I had with my dad. BUT I'm happy... because I love this guy that much and he's worth it. It's ironic and weird that it worked out that way, but that is the way life is....

Same with Lois... it's ironic and Clark will make her do things she'd never thought she'd do... just because she loves him that much.

No argument there and as I said previously (maybe it was on a diferent thread but on the same subject), if they do explain to us that Lois feels stronger for Clark than for Ollie then Im all for it, I just dont expect them to, as Im seeing things they´ll just fall for each other and Lois´s abandonment issues and inferiority complex will vanish in to thin air. Im a simple guy and I dont like to asume things and as things stand right now, Im not buying romantic Clois at all, if/when it happens Il be happy, no doubt but there will also be a sense of incompleteness unless this issues and Lollie and Clana are directly adressed.

[eas]

No argument there and as I said previously (maybe it was on a diferent thread but on the same subject), if they do explain to us that Lois feels stronger for Clark than for Ollie then Im all for it, I just dont expect them to, as Im seeing things they´ll just fall for each other and Lois´s abandonment issues and inferiority complex will vanish in to thin air. Im a simple guy and I dont like to asume things and as things stand right now, Im not buying romantic Clois at all, if/when it happens Il be happy, no doubt but there will also be a sense of incompleteness unless this issues and Lollie and Clana are directly adressed.

I see what you're saying and I agree with you on some levels. I mean, if - let's say - Lois falls in love with Clark in Episode 6 and then, in Episode 9, she finds out his secret and she's totally cool with it and has no doubts then I'm right there with you. It would be odd and completely out of the blue. It would be bad writing and I wouldn't buy roma SVCLois, either. But, personally, I don't think it's going to go down that way.

Chances are that Lois is going to fight her feelings for Clark (which goes along with her not wanting to take a chance with a guy who can hurt her); then, more than likely, there will be some drama/angst about how she think he's never going to love her (again, going in line with her thinking that a guy wouldn't want to be with her if he can be with someone great like Lana or Chloe); and then, when/if Clark gets his act together and tries to convince it's worth it, she'll probably decide to give it a shot - but not without a lot of bravado and fake arrogance. And, THEN, when she learns the "secret", it should send her into a tail-spin and she should doubt whether they can make it work. Eventually, of course, it will work, but she should have moments of doubt and try to break up with Clark before it does work out and she realizes she can't live without him.

So, my question is: If it goes down that way, would you still not believe in roma Clois? Because, to me, that pretty much details every version of roma Clois we've seen so far in other versions of the medium (save for "SR", which was an exception to many things). To me, that's pretty much classic Clois. Except for the part where Lois Lane falls for Superman... but in "SV" Clark Kent IS Superman. There is no dual identity. So Lois has to bumble her way through her feelings for Clark, while he's merrily going around acting like Superman at the same time. He's arrogant, snarky, confident, and smart around her - he's no bumbling and annoying Clark Kent. So, in a way, she's falling in love with Superman without the powers.

I think that a lot of what concerns you can't even be addressed until/unless SVLois learns the truth about SVClark. And, to be honest, I think we're not even going to get to see that onscreen. My guess is that the series will end with SVLois and SVClark not in a roma relationship and that she won't know his secret by series end. So all of this won't even matter -- we'll never really learn if Lois was "magically" OK with Clark's dual identity.

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its because as I saw the scene play out, it was pretty clear to me, Clark was not in anyway trying to shift the conversation about him and Lana, he was just making a quick parallel so Lois could put things in perspective and frankly it was a good example, that feelings just dont go away, I think Lois was rude in that scene and I dont feel like excusing her behaviour, as much as I love her.

Fair enough. I actually thought about that scene a bit after I posted my response to your post and I think that your interpretation is as good as any. It can be seen that way - that she was being rude and she shouldn't have cut him off. I think it can swing both ways... personally, I still err on the side of thinking that she had every right to go, "Enough with the Clark and Lana saga, this convo is about me!". But I think that line of hers reminded me that she took him out for beer in "Apocolypse" and then held him as the dvd played in "Arctic"... I kind of laughed and figured that this was referring to her having to have lots of heart-to-hearts about Lana with Clark and she just couldn't take it anymore. I mean, it's not like we haven't seen Lois give Clark advice about Lana over the years -- I could see how/why she'd get a bit annoyed. And, furthermore, if she kind of has feelings for him (is developing a little crush) then it would hurt her to listen to him go on and on about Lana again.

Also, I thought that it was nicely done of her to turn their conversation about Oliver around on him by saying that when you break up, you do it for a reason and you need to remember that -- she seemed to be making a pointed reference at Clana and Clark caught that, because he gives her a look where he arrives at some sort of epiphany.

But, yeah, I get where you're coming from now - I can see that it can be taken in a rude way. And this is Lois Lane we're talking about - she's not exactly nice and so we should be expecting even more rude-ness coming from her on a weekly basis. ;)

[Kal-ed]

See I knew we could at least understand each other even if we dont completely agree :D

Well, in retrospect I am jumping the gun a bit here, Ill just wait and see how they handle Clois when they start getting them closer, I just hope they do adress this issues (Clana, Lollie, Lois´s insecurities).

[Paty26]

Wow people in Smallville having trouble moving forward... what a shocker!

:lol: that's true!

[eas]

See I knew we could at least understand each other even if we dont completely agree :D

Well, in retrospect I am jumping the gun a bit here, Ill just wait and see how they handle Clois when they start getting them closer, I just hope they do adress this issues (Clana, Lollie, Lois´s insecurities).

Well, of course we always understand each other! Even when we disagree! You and I have been posting back and forth for awhile now... I think it says a lot that we can disagree even when we both stand on the same side. :)

I also think that we may jumping the gun a bit... roma Clois has been pretty slow so far, and I can't imagine that it'll speed up any time soon. We still have stuff that's going on with Chloe; Lana coming back; and Lois's own issues. Let's see how it all plays out.

[borednow]

:lol: that's true!

Totally blows your mind doesn't it! :eek: