lollie

[loliverlover]

what did you think of lollie in this episode? comment

[LoveHurts38]

They still look cute together.

[individuall]

I always liked Lollie...I'm glad Lois was there for him! :)

[OneShotClois]

I loved the Lollie scene, especially when she was talking to Oliver, and she was crying, it almost made me cry.

[pharaoh8]

i loved it when clark came in and touched lois' shoulder. my tears came out.

[kris10]

wow big surprise not over him by a long shot....guess clark and lois have that in common too...

[Liquid-Prince]

i loved it when clark came in and touched lois' shoulder. my tears came out.

Yeah, made you really see that she had feelings for Clark and looked sort of guilty for being with Oliver.

[pharaoh8]

true

[LovelyLoisLane]

I LOVED the scene with Lolliepop when Lois was talking to him. I felt cheated that we didn't get to see Oliver's reaction to having her around after he woke up, but that's what fan fic is for. ;)

Three episodes in a row, all good, all good storytelling and acting. I'm liking it.

But anyway I liked that Lois is regretting some things because it makes her human. I like that she STILL can't seem to see her value. Because I can relate . . . and in the end it works well for Clois in the future if she rethinks her relationship with Oliver.

Sometimes I wonder if Lois herself even know how she really feels about it.

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i loved it when clark came in and touched lois' shoulder. my tears came out.

Mine too. Lois was so sad and she couldn't even pretend to not be, though she tried to hide it. In the end Clark just tried to comfort her, like he did in Siren. It was very nice.

[WickedJenn]

It kind of sucked that we didn't see a little of Ollie's reaction to her sitting there but, Erica was brilliant in that scene.

[silverdragon]

i loved all their scenes together....just goes to show lois has evolved...in that she showed genuine emotion...

especially loved the scene where clark comes to comfort her....if chloe hadn't interrupted who knows we might have gotten a hug....grrrrrrrrrrrrr...

[rebecavaldez]

I felt cheated that we didn't get to see Oliver's reaction to having her around after he woke up, but that's what fan fic is for. ;)


i was thinking about writing one based on what happend!!
hahaha.....
but yeah..i'll give it to you

[Alicia Chipy]

Just shows what a tender forgiving woman Lois is becoming.She is always there for her friends with loyal support.No wonder she becomes Superman's staunchest ally though thick and thin!

[LovelyLoisLane]

Lois will always be a hard a** I like that about her, but she DOES have a tender side and can be suprisingly understanding as well. I love that about her.

[Kal-ed]

I dont like Lois being so insecure, Lois in comics has a softer side to her and she did have her doubts about dating the worlds greatest champion but I think today they took that a bit too far (btw Im complementing the Lollie scene with what she told Clark later on).

The Lollie perse was great but I didnt get the impresion of closure at all, specially with her line about not being sure if it made the best decision, it implyed that it wasnt just remnants of the love they had but a present tence love, which is more confusing given SPOILER what´s supposed to happen in Commited when Lois admits having feelings for ClarkSPOILER.

I just think that they should either get Lollie back together or give it closure, if they arent planning on having them back together, then why leave the door open, it makes no sense IMO.

ETA: [B]LLL[/B I didnt read your last post, I was typing mine when you posted yours, I realized it seems like its addresing yours specifically but it isnt, Im giving my general take on this matters.

[ginnyfan]

I loved the Oliver/Lois in this episode. It continues so nicely from where it left off in Siren.


i loved it when clark came in and touched lois' shoulder. my tears came out.

Oh yeah. That was a great moment.


I LOVED the scene with Lolliepop when Lois was talking to him. I felt cheated that we didn't get to see Oliver's reaction to having her around after he woke up, but that's what fan fic is for. ;)

I know! I wanted to see both Lois and Oliver's reactions. I thought Oliver would be touched and Lois would play it off...

[LovelyLoisLane]

I don't think it left it open ended at all and this is coming from a Lolliepopper. I think it just made it clear that Lois admits that she might have made mistakes but they are done and she knows she has to be okay with that.

[Kal-ed]

I guess its the reasons that bother me, why cant we just have, for once a couple break up (in SV), for internal reasons. Its always something, Clark and Lana, cause of his secret, then Lex´s manipulation, then Clark´s greater detiny. Chloe and Jimmy cause she couldnt tell him the truth about Clark and that just caused problems, Lollie cause he had to travell all around the world to stop Lex and then cause Lois was letting him go so he could go and be a hero; why cant the break up ever be about "we just dont click", "we may like eachother but disagree in the fundamentals" "our lives are heading in diferent directions" "I dont love you, so what´s the point", etc. Dunno, something some internal conflict, but as it seems its always about an outside force or external circumstances pulling them apart.

So Lois, once again with the "he´s off to be the hero, Im just the girl writting about him" yada yada, terrible writting to me, she should at least admit that they dont have a real problem and that the only problem there is are her insecurities and the fact that she doesnt think she´s enough for a guy who´s hot, rich, famous and a hero.

[eas]

I dont like Lois being so insecure, Lois in comics has a softer side to her and she did have her doubts about dating the worlds greatest champion but I think today they took that a bit too far (btw Im complementing the Lollie scene with what she told Clark later on).

The Lollie perse was great but I didnt get the impresion of closure at all, specially with her line about not being sure if it made the best decision, it implyed that it wasnt just remnants of the love they had but a present tence love, which is more confusing given SPOILER what´s supposed to happen in Commited when Lois admits having feelings for ClarkSPOILER.

I just think that they should either get Lollie back together or give it closure, if they arent planning on having them back together, then why leave the door open, it makes no sense IMO.

ETA: [B]LLL[/B I didnt read your last post, I was typing mine when you posted yours, I realized it seems like its addresing yours specifically but it isnt, Im giving my general take on this matters.

Well, I agree that the insecurity thing might end up being a bit much, but - for now - I think they're playing it right. I think that part of Lois's journey is coming to terms with the issues in her past and dealing with the residual anger/hurt she has from her relationship with her father.

In other versions of Lois Lane, we meet Lois much later on in life - when she's in her 30s and 40s. We met this Lois in her teen years and now she's in her early 20s. That's a full decade's worth of self-examination she needs to go through before she's going to become that woman in her 30s and 40s who knows exactly what she wants and deserves & she't not afraid to go after it. When that time comes, she'll be much stronger and the pressure and doubt of being with Superman won't hold her back. She'll still have doubts and fears, but she'll be able to push them aside for her own greater good. Lois isn't quite there, yet. And I like that, because I think it takes a strong woman to be with Superman and this a great way for us to see what makes Lois strong enough to handle it in the future.

Regarding Lollie: Personally, I think they did put closure on it. Does Lois still have some feelings for him? Sure, why wouldn't she? They didn't break up because he was mean to her or because she didn't love him, anymore. They broke up because she thought she was letting him go for the greater good of mankind. To me, it makes sense that she has doubts about it, from time to time - particulary if she's not in a relationship with anyone else. But, at the end of the episode, they addressed her version of closure: That when you doubt your break-up, you have to remind yourself of why you broke up to begin with and stick with your decision, because you have to trust you made it for a reason. Clark gives her an odd look, because (imo) he realized that this same attitude can be applied to his relationship with Lana. It's interesting to note that this is almost identical to the advice Lois gave Clark back in "Oracle" (it's part of the Harley speech). She told him that he had to trust his gut, because he broke up with Lana for a reason. Lois is very much a girl who doesn't look back - she gave Ollie 2 chances (one without knowing his GA identity and one with) and she made the decision that it would never work between them. Rather than yo-yoing back and forth about it, she's dealing with her pain & moving on.

So, in short, I don't think we need to worry about roma Lollie coming around the corner anytime soon. :)

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I guess its the reasons that bother me, why cant we just have, for once a couple break up (in SV)

[...]

"our lives are heading in diferent directions" "I dont love you, so what´s the point", etc. Dunno, something some internal conflict, but as it seems its always about an outside force or external circumstances pulling them apart.

So Lois, once again with the "he´s off to be the hero, Im just the girl writting about him" yada yada, terrible writting to me, she should at least admit that they dont have a real problem and that the only problem there is are her insecurities and the fact that she doesnt think she´s enough for a guy who´s hot, rich, famous and a hero.

Well, personally, I think that the whole "our lives are going in different directions" is EXACTLY why they broke up. It's not so much that Lois doesn't think she's good enough for him - it's that she knows where she stands in his list of priorities. She's at the bottom of the list, to be honest. Partly, this is because Oliver doesn't love her that much. And, frankly, if she loved him enough, I think she'd fight for their relationship. It's easier for her to break it off with him, rather than wait to be the girl who is left behind.

To contrast this with her future relationship with Clark: Clark won't leave her behind. Superman will always have her at the top of his priorities & there will be no doubt that he loves her more than anything or anyone in the world. And she loves him just as fiercely right back -- so he becomes someone worth fighting for & the risk of pain for her is worth it. It's not worth it with Ollie.

And, then, to compare Ollie vs. Clark. To be honest, Ollie has to work hard everyday to get up in the morning and don on that suit. He has the same issues that Batman has - they have to work hard everyday and get hurt, over and over again, to do their jobs as super-heroes. It's hard, both emotionally and physically, and it takes a toll on them.

Now, Clark, on the other hand, doesn't have these issues. The guy is pretty much invulnerable. It's not an emotional struggle for him to be a hero everyday, because it's par for the course... it's his state of being, all the time. He doesn't have mentally "go there" to force himself to be a hero. He just is... and that's why he can have a lasting relationship with a woman... because he's not tortured all the time.

[unfocused]

Barf

Where's the "didn't hate them but disliked them" option? There are two options for the couple but only one against the couple :lol:

[Kal-ed]

Well, personally, I think that the whole "our lives are going in different directions" is EXACTLY why they broke up. It's not so much that Lois doesn't think she's good enough for him .


Then why did she say so? she belittle herself with the line "he´s the man of tomorrow, Im just the girl wrtting..." I think it clearly implied she felt insecure and beneath Ollie, totally OOC IMO.

[smallvillefreak24]

I'm glad they didn't just ignore the Lollie it was nice, i dont want them to revisit it but they are cute together

[chlo-el]

It reminded me of Fever. When Lois was crying there and he was saying Mercy. I actaully liked that for some strange reason.

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Then why did she say so? she belittle herself with the line "he´s the man of tomorrow, Im just the girl wrtting..." I think it clearly implied she felt insecure and beneath Ollie, totally OOC IMO.

It's not OOC for Lois when it comes to Ollie now that she knows he's the Green Arrow. Lois can be tough but every now and then she'll have this vulnerability and it comes out when she lets her guard down and gets her heart broken.

[borednow]

Neutral... it was okay... really I just want to see someone be a real grown up about a break up... I was hoping Lois would do it but she got a little piny for my taste... it was understandable, which is why it was neutral... on any other show I might have thought it was sweet but on this show it there is just too much I'm not over _________

[alejandrita439]

well i liked them :)

[ShelbyKent]

Then why did she say so? she belittle herself with the line "he´s the man of tomorrow, Im just the girl wrtting..." I think it clearly implied she felt insecure and beneath Ollie, totally OOC IMO. I don't think it's necessarily OOC. I think it's meant to show why Lollie didn't work out. Lois is not yet in that place where she's ready to love and feel like it's worth fighting for a man who's a superhero and whom she has to share with the world. We know that in the future, Lois would be eventually ready to make that leap of faith and love (with Future!Clark of course). So it's interesting to see the process of how she gets to that place, and what is it about Clark that would make her eventually believe that their love would have a chance even if she has to share him with the world.

[eas]

Then why did she say so? she belittle herself with the line "he´s the man of tomorrow, Im just the girl wrtting..." I think it clearly implied she felt insecure and beneath Ollie, totally OOC IMO.

But I don't think it's OOC when you also add in her thoughts in "Siren"... it's very similar to what she said to Clark back then, too. That she was left behind, all the time, with her dad & she doesn't want to get into a relationship with another guy who is going to leave her behind.

See, she's coming from a place where she feels that Oliver will never put her above his super-hero duties and that she's not #1 on his priority list. I think she's also right about this - I don't think that Oliver loves Lois enough to not leave her behind. He may not do intentionally and he may not want to hurt her, but the end result will be that he does. I think that this is what Lois's line about just being the girl writing about him is about - that the Man of Tomorrow (i.e. Ollie) will be out there and he won't even glance back at her. While it's true that it sounds a little like she's being insecure, I see it more like her being wise to his ways and knowing that he's going down a path that she can't follow. Not because she doesn't want to, but - rather - because she & Ollie won't be able to make it work out.

When you contrast that with her future relationship with Clark, the difference will be that Clark loves her so much more than Ollie ever did & when he flies off, he will always glance back at her. She'll be his compass and she'll be the one he goes home to. Just like in John Donne's poem:

Our two souls therefore, which are one,
Though I must go, endure not yet
A breach, but an expansion,
Like gold to aery thinness beat.

If they be two, they are two so
As stiff twin compasses are two ;
Thy soul, the fix'd foot, makes no show
To move, but doth, if th' other do.

And though it in the centre sit,
Yet, when the other far doth roam,
It leans, and hearkens after it,
And grows erect, as that comes home.

Such wilt thou be to me, who must,
Like th' other foot, obliquely run ;
Thy firmness makes my circle just,
And makes me end where I begun.

In this poem, Donne is talking to his wife and saying that even though he has to leave her, they are still very much connected. She'll be the center, standing still and waiting for his return, and she is the one who makes his journey (his circle) perfect and makes him "end where I begun".

I can't imagine that Oliver would have this feeling about Lois, can you? So, to me, it's not that Lois is being insecure... she's just being realistic & she is actually being true to her own needs by not going out with a guy who can't be there for her.

[Kal-ed]

I don't think it's necessarily OOC. I think it's meant to show why Lollie didn't work out. Lois is not yet in that place where she's ready to love and feel like it's worth fighting for a man who's a superhero and whom she has to share with the world. We know that in the future, Lois would be eventually ready to make that leap of faith and love (with Future!Clark of course). So it's interesting to see the process of how she gets to that place, and what is it about Clark that would make her eventually believe that their love would have a chance even if she has to share him with the world.


I hate the "I dont want to share you with the world" but its not my biggest complain, nor what I was talking about, Im talking about her insecurities and that she pretty much feels beneath Ollie and THAT is totally OOC. If we had been introduced to an insecure Lois Lane since the beggining I could buy that but, Lois may be flawed in many ways but being insecure isnt (or wasnt) one of them.

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in response to eas: My problem is not on Clark or Ollie´s side, for me the problem is Lois and her insecurities, yes Clark will love her far beyond what Ollie felt for her, its Lois´s feelings Im intrested in and how they were inacurately portrayed in this episode.

Ok the part about being left behind was totally consistant with what she said in Siren but her "He´s the man of tomorrow and Im only the girl who writtes about it" line was disasterous and unless my english has deteriorated a lot, very fast, It clearly implyed Lois felt beneath Ollie and this IMO is a whole diferent territory than the "I cant share you with the world" thing.

[HeartChakraBabe]

I'm more of a Lois/Oliver fan than a Lois/Clark fan. I thought some of the scenes were a little too much, but overall I liked 'em. Loved Lois's line: "I may have played nurse to Oliver, but it never progressed to doctor." :lol:

[eas]

in response to eas: My problem is not on Clark or Ollie´s side, for me the problem is Lois and her insecurities, yes Clark will love her far beyond what Ollie felt for her, its Lois´s feelings Im intrested in and how they were inacurately portrayed in this episode.

Ok the part about being left behind was totally consistant with what she said in Siren but her "He´s the man of tomorrow and Im only the girl who writtes about it" line was disasterous and unless my english has deteriorated a lot, very fast, It clearly implyed Lois felt beneath Ollie and this IMO is a whole diferent territory than the "I cant share you with the world" thing.

Hhmmm... I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. For me, I've kind of seen a Lois Lane on "SV" that has had insecurities from the beginning. She strikes me on someone who is insecure despite her bravado. There are plenty of conversations she's had with Martha, Jonathan, and Clark where she has been down on herself. How many times did Martha have to reassure Lois that she was smart and good at her job? How many times did Lois assume that she wasn't good enough about a variety of things? She is confident, arrogant, and cocky -- but, a lot of the time, it's a front. When she let's down her guard, she will doubt herself and her own abilities. I'm not going to say that she allows it to hold her back - far from it - but to say that it's not there and this line was OOC doesn't work for me. To me, it completely fits with what we've seen her say and do in the past.

And, as I've said before, it's part of her journey that she has to move past her issues with her dad.

[SparkleforSmallville]

ED and JH have a great Romantic chemistry.
Haven't seen much of that yet with ED and TW.

[rebecavaldez]

If they don't put Clois together, Lois deserves to be happy....with Oliver

[koryaunka]

omg loved it! lollie 4evr!

[Rival X The Great]

For me I don't like lollie but hated was the only option. I don't really like oliver that much to tell you the truth. I will always put clois above any other shipper.

[IHeartClois]

Lollie look good together! But its time for Clois...

[SleepingBeauty]

loved them
we did get such a lovely scene :)

[TessIsNotAVillan]

I like them alright I suppose, but in a sort of stop gap before Clois begins and Tollie restarts <3