Loved it?Hated it?What did you think of Toxic? [Archive]

silverdragon

10-02-2008, 06:30 PM

i gave it a 9....everything happened onscreen exept the whole clark going to brazil for antidote...

the lois/oliver seen was perfect...lois seemed to really still care about him...

lois/chloe....is it me or do their characters still seem off with each other?

chole/clark....was great

chole/davis- they were ok...it seems the new guys are moving quickly to establish something between them before they bring back jimmy....

tess/clark...trying to get into his pants are...sexual tension anyone? well on tess' side anyway....clark definately not..(thank god)

tess/oliver...interesting...have chemistry and past together maybe? mmm....something to look forward to finding out more about....

oliver/clark....glad oliver found out about his parents...too bad he took his anger out on clark...i mean the guy did just save his life...though i guess i know where he is coming from... if i had just found out a friend knew who killed my parents and never told me...i'd freak out too...

ah now we come to my favourite couple in t.v.
LOIS/Clark-

1. quite observant of clark to comment on how lois edits his stories from the way chole would have done it had she been the one working with him.....

2. love how concerned he is when he sees how upset she is over oliver...that could have been a major moment had chloe not interrupted them....

3. love the DP scene....they just keep getting better and better...that scene totally sets up next weeks episode which i'm still sqeeling over....:rotfl:

wooosmallville

10-02-2008, 06:34 PM

I kind think ok and they could have chloe heal oliver, after oliver and clark bar part oliver could confront chloe about information about his parents die, He could got mad chloe for knowing and etc. Could add chloe, oliver ending part.

how would that make sense? oliver confronting chloe? that wouldn't serve much purpose. and we saw in the first epi that she can't heal anymore.

AndiGirl

10-02-2008, 06:43 PM

I gave it a 7...I didnt love it, but I didnt hate it.

I'm just not that interested in Ollie's past....but it was ok.

green_arrow_girl358

10-02-2008, 06:49 PM

mosquitos? all i can say

Bane

10-02-2008, 06:57 PM

I loved it, we finally got to see them show Ollie's past, which I thought was cool in the way they did it. I'd give it a 7/10.

ZODisGOD

10-02-2008, 07:01 PM

It was good for a non-Clark centric episode, so i gave it a 7, but I'm glad next week is going to resume Clark's journey to Superman

LuckyLois

10-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Man, can Tom get any better looking? I loved his and Lois's scenes, when he put his hands on her shoulder while with Ollie, so sensitive!

Chloe is getting a little defensive too.

I thought Ollie and Tess were good. I liked the confrontation between Clark and Oliver.

xHerox

10-02-2008, 07:08 PM

I gave this episode a '7'. The plot itself wasn't too memorable, but I really liked some of the character interaction moments (especially those between Lois and Clark) and felt that they added a lot to the episode. In addition, I liked that Tess was focused on a bit more since she will obviously be a major character this season, and knowing a character's motives and backstory really makes me appreciate the character more. I thought the entire idea involving Tess/"Mercy" was well-executed.

I can't wait for next week's episode!

Drakian

10-02-2008, 07:16 PM

Gave it a 1.

The episode was kind of okay, until Ollie mentored Clark about being invincible and then being afraid of doing anything. Enough's enough. The last 7 seasons have been about Clark avoiding everything, running away from Jor-El, blah blah blah. I thought things were going to change when I saw the last episode, and Clark saving people from the bus, but they managed to overshadow that with this episode. Can we please have Clark from the comics start to appear?! I'm so sick of this show now!

BadToad

10-02-2008, 07:33 PM

I didn't much care for this. I don't have a lot of use for SV eps that treat Clark as a bit player, and I just don't believe Smallville is the right show for a Green Arrow origin story. I also think its far too early in the season to have a whole episode rest on JH/Oliver, and a new character that we're just meeting. Frankly, the only thing I cared about less then Oliver's backstory, was Oliver and Tess' backstory.

And really, I could've lived without Oliver talking crap to Clark after he had just played a huge part in saving his life. Ugh!

I gave it a 5. That was very generous.

dimeo782002

10-02-2008, 07:38 PM

i actually liked this episode dispite my dismay when i first heard it would be and ollie episode .I like oliver i just feel this show is about Clark BUT This was really good . There was basically one storyline going on so they could focus on that and that madethe epsiode good for me . It was not all over the place, it was focused and i really , really like that !
The clois was better this episode cause Lois's remarks were funny but not a snippy, i laughed and enjoyed there banter in this episode .

Chloe was a little surprising ! She is either jealous of clois or she really thinks clark and lois could have something , but i think it's more about the comment she made about how she thought that she would be the one circling his errors at the DP. Is it jealousy or just regular banter ? i guess we will have to see , she was also a little colder trhan usual with clark at the isis foundation whe the whole brainiac things came up ! Clark is concerned and i guess chloe does not want him fawning all over her about it ! my guess honestly / i don't think chloe is too happy with clarks response in plastique . Or maybe she has a lot on her plate i mean ollie is both there friend .

This is my favorite tess epiosde so far , i believe she is tainted just like lex . for her the ends justify the means and she obviously has some identitiy i need to read up on . people are calling her mercy so i will have to research that to possibly get to know who tess is . but this episode i believe she showed she is a force to reckon with !

can't wait to see this brainiac stuff and the next episode wooo hoo make out scenes i saw clarks chest in the preview * blushing *:o

loistickyfingerz

10-02-2008, 07:41 PM

I think it was an improvment on last week. I really enjoyed the Clark and Lois. The Lois and Oliver interaction was good too.

Nice Chloe "supersmart" scene too. Clark can add 2+2 after all!

warriorrenegade

10-02-2008, 07:44 PM

I'd rather be eaten by mosquitoes than watch this episode again. From cringe worthy dialogue. To over the top drama. Felt like sometimes I was being yell at. Like they were trying to make me care.

And what was with that scene with Ollie and Clark at the bar. WTH! Ollie again cuts Clark down at the knees. Talking down to him etc.. I get the whole foreshadowing deal. Clark's "island" is DoomsDay blah blah blah I get it..I do. But dude enough of the talking down to. It's insulting.

For once I'd like to see Clark own his and just put Ollie on blast...snatch him up by the collar and set it straight.

The one good thing about the episode I did enjoy was Chloe's scene at Isis. That whole computer whatchamacallit...was sweet. Brainiac is in there somewhere...and he's going to get out. And I can't wait.

I'd rate it a 4/10

luvinChlark

10-02-2008, 07:46 PM

It was okay, I sorta fell asleep in some parts. I loved the Lollie, Chlark and also Tess, she is such an evil b*tch! I love it!

Darth Pipes

10-02-2008, 07:55 PM

I thought Ollie's backstory was way too rushed and poorly edited. We see him shooting arrows with not much discernable change in his appearance, then the drug dealers come and all of a sudden we learn Ollie's been on the island for two years? WTF? They can do a lot better with that.

But this episode was really a strong one for Tess. She's has a strong scene with Clark and a stronger one with Ollie, setting up an interesting dynamic between the two. Then she dips into the badass pool by killing that guy at the end. Awesome.

Speaking of badass, what about that guy putting a bullet in her friend's head? Even without the blood, that was a pretty intense kill for Smallville.

I also really enjoyed Ollie learning the truth about his parents death and taking it out (rightly) on Clark for never telling him and really, when you think about it, protecting Lionel. Though his usual rants about Clark not caring don't hold up as well considering Clark has been much more pro-active this season. Also liked the further use of Chloe's powers and Davis Bloom.

Lexgirl33

10-02-2008, 07:56 PM

This was horrible. The only good part was Ollie shirtless and the Clois references. 4/10

txluvstom

10-02-2008, 08:04 PM

I find myself being cauious on what I would like to say,because I might be editted. So,I'll just say that my fears were founded. I guess tptb felt that two episodes were enough before the Clark-bashing could slide itself in and maybe people wouldn't notice. This is just my opinion. I hope I have a right to express it.

Darth Pipes

10-02-2008, 08:04 PM

I thought Oliver and Tess coming together like that in the past was contrived but that the interaction between them was very good.

Ginx

10-02-2008, 08:09 PM

7/10 it was ok but it seemed to me that Clark took a lot of steps back again and that we were missing key elements of why, what, when, where etc. Instead of showing Lois still loving Ollie maybe they could have shown us where CK got the vaccine and how he knew to get it? Or did I miss something....... anyway - not bad but not great. I enjoyed learning more about Chloe's powers and her interactions with Davis. I liked that Clark NOTICED the difference in Chloe instead of just going along with it like whatever like he usually does.

RedKRules

10-02-2008, 08:15 PM

I thought this episode was lame !!!!

Kal26

10-02-2008, 08:23 PM

I liked the episode, but I only gave it an 8. Don't get me wrong, I like Ollie, and I loved seeing them go into his time on the island, but I have to state for the record that getting rid of one hero to give Clark more screen time, then making him take a back seat to another hero just doesn't sit well with me. I actually liked Kara on the show, and listened to a lot of people complain that she was stealing Clark's spotlight. It seems to me that Ollie did just that tonight. We're only 3 episodes into the new season and already we're not getting much Clark. I can't make a judgment yet, but if I can't have Kara and Clark, I'd better at least get a lot more Clark, not just a little Clark in the background of other characters. He had more lime light with Kara on the show than he seems to be getting without her.

kkjdt

10-02-2008, 08:25 PM

My favorite part of Smallville is the Chloe and Clark interaction and it looks like they are heading away from that.

ann91

10-02-2008, 08:44 PM

7
I liked this episode but not entirely xD
oliver emmm between Tess and a good one
I liked the advance of the next episode :D

alejandrita439

10-02-2008, 09:01 PM

9
i think it was OK

scifigirl

10-02-2008, 09:10 PM

I gave it a 7. Why? Why did we have to go back to taking pot shots at Clark? !?:mad::confused:

SnowBird

10-02-2008, 09:27 PM

It was okay but because it was an Ollie story, I gave it an 8 instead of a 10. Clark should have more of the story line.

Jlvsclrk

10-02-2008, 09:30 PM

Only a 6 for me, which is very low on my scale. Found more to dislike by far, especially Ollie's unwarranted rant to Clark at the end. What an a-hole.

Pros:
- Chloe's new power being revealed to Clark, especially the first bit as she sprinted through the scientific research. Kudos to AM for her delivery here: I've got a pretty good idea of how difficult it was to make that performance sound spontaneous
- Clark's reaction to the new power being caused by Brainiac: so in character for him to worry (and you have to know that in this instance he is right to do so)
- Tess is Mercy. Cool
- Lois giving Clark the story of the kitten adoption drive. How appropriate given the long running joke in fanon about his future penchant for saving kittens.
- no Jimmy! You know I'm stretching it when that makes the list.

Cons
- everything else I think. Explicitly, every moment with Ollie on screen. Usually, I don't mind Ollie screentime, but this time he was just wretched. First off, if he'd simply said to Clark that leeches were the antitode in the teaser (instead of the idiotic I only have 12 hours to live line), the whole story would have been over at the start. I didn't give a hoot about the backstory. I'm sick of looking at his chest. He and Tess had absolutely no chemistry together. And then there's his rant to Clark at the end. Grrrrrrrrr. Even if Clark did know about Lionel killing the Queen's before Lionel himself was killed by Lex, the attack was unwarranted. I'm sure the writers were just trying to establish that Clark's "island" - ie a life changing event - is still to come, and spoilers tell us what it will be. But good grief. Clark has been through many many moments far more traumatic than 2 years on a dessert island and being bitten by mosquitos. Yes, Clark is afraid of things, especially telling the truth to his friends. But he has good reason for that fear. For Clark NOT to be afraid would make him a fool. The fact that he is afraid and still tries to help is what makes him a hero.

txluvstom

10-02-2008, 09:37 PM

Only a 6 for me, which is very low on my scale. Found more to dislike by far, especially Ollie's unwarrented rant to Clark at the end. What an a-hole.

Pros:
- Chloe's new power being revealed to Clark, especially the first bit as she sprinted through the scientific research. Kudos to AM for her delivery her: I've got a pretty good idea of how difficult it was to make that performance sound spontaneous
- Clark's reaction to the new power being caused by Brainiac: so in character
- Tess is Mercy. Cool
- Lois giving Clark the story of the kitten adoption drive. How appropriate given the long running joke in fanon about his future penchant for saving kittens.
- no Jimmy! You know I'm stretching it when that makes the list.

Cons
- everything else I think. Explicitly, every moment with Ollie on screen. Usually, I don't mind Ollie screentime, but this time he was just wretched. First off, if he'd simply said to Clark that leeches were the antitode in the teaser (instead of the idiotic I only have 12 hours to live line), the whole story would have been over at the start. I didn't give a hoot about the backstory. I'm sick of looking at his chest. He and Tess had absolutely no chemistry together. And then there's his rant to Clark at the end. Grrrrrrrrr. Even if Clark did know about Lionel killing the Queen's before Lionel himself was killed by Lex, the attack was unwarranted. I'm sure the writers were just trying to establish that Clark's "island" - ie a life changing event - is still to come, and spoilers tell us what it will be. But good grief. Clark has been through many many moments far more traumatic than 2 years on a dessert island. Yes, Clark is afraid of things, especially telling the truth to his friends. But he has good reason for that fear. For Clark NOT to be afraid would make him a fool. The fact that he is afraid of things and still tries to help is what makes him a hero.
Nicely put. But I'm afriad we're in the minority reguarding Clark.:(

dimeo782002

10-02-2008, 09:39 PM

Only a 6 for me, which is very low on my scale. Found more to dislike by far, especially Ollie's unwarrented rant to Clark at the end. What an a-hole.

Pros:
- Chloe's new power being revealed to Clark, especially the first bit as she sprinted through the scientific research. Kudos to AM for her delivery her: I've got a pretty good idea of how difficult it was to make that performance sound spontaneous
- Clark's reaction to the new power being caused by Brainiac: so in character
- Tess is Mercy. Cool
- Lois giving Clark the story of the kitten adoption drive. How appropriate given the long running joke in fanon about his future penchant for saving kittens.
- no Jimmy! You know I'm stretching it when that makes the list.

Cons
- everything else I think. Explicitly, every moment with Ollie on screen. Usually, I don't mind Ollie screentime, but this time he was just wretched. First off, if he'd simply said to Clark that leeches were the antitode in the teaser (instead of the idiotic I only have 12 hours to live line), the whole story would have been over at the start. I didn't give a hoot about the backstory. I'm sick of looking at his chest. He and Tess had absolutely no chemistry together. And then there's his rant to Clark at the end. Grrrrrrrrr. Even if Clark did know about Lionel killing the Queen's before Lionel himself was killed by Lex, the attack was unwarranted. I'm sure the writers were just trying to establish that Clark's "island" - ie a life changing event - is still to come, and spoilers tell us what it will be. But good grief. Clark has been through many many moments far more traumatic than 2 years on a dessert island. Yes, Clark is afraid of things, especially telling the truth to his friends. But he has good reason for that fear. For Clark NOT to be afraid would make him a fool. The fact that he is afraid of things and still tries to help is what makes him a hero.

i think there were some things i liked ,like gettting a background on tess alitlle and the story pretty much being on one subject so it was not all over the place the one thing i did not like was the rant by ollie but i understand if a friend of mine knew who killed my parents i would be upset , but maybe not as harsh , given who clark is he should know clark would not say anything in fear oliver would hurt lionel and regret it later but if it were me i would be hurt my friend did not tell me that is some big ass news ... the murder of your family.

i gave this episode an 8. more clark !!! chloe with brainiac actually has me excited for allison having such a big story arc and she gets to be challenged as an actor im so happy for her !

cksidekick

10-02-2008, 09:56 PM

i have to address this Oliver rant issue...i didn't want to see any more lectures from the Green Bean...this was different though...the last time he gave Clark a piece of his mind, he was a Superhero at the top of his game and Clark was playing house on the farm...

this was different...it was a troubled Oliver taking out his drunken frustration on Clark...this was a rant from a guy on his way down...his statements, true or not, hold little weight this time...i wasn't left thinking Oliver is pushing Clark as a friend...Clark came out on top in that scene...

jwm

10-02-2008, 10:02 PM

9 Seems like the episodes are just getting better.

Could have been more Clark centric but on the plus side Clark was pro-active, showed obvious caring for every single character (well maybe not Bloom but Bloom didn't really need it) and acted heroically the whole way through. I enjoyed the GA back-story and adding Tess to Oliver's past. Even the Clark bashing at the end didn't bother me too much. Oliver was angry and drunk (and seemed to me even regretful regarding Tess) and was lashing out for reasons that were perfectly understandable and Clark happened to be on the receiving end. Clark's a big boy. He can take it.

On the down side the cuts in budget are really apparent. The sound stage makes nighttime Metropolis seems like a freaking ghost town and it's just fake looking. Special effects have been cut mostly to the bare bones. I would have preferred they spent more on Clark's save of Tess rather than slow motion views of Ollie's archery practice.

Magda Halliwell

10-02-2008, 10:17 PM

----- Added 53 Seconds later -----

Man, can Tom get any better looking?

If he does I see a stroke in my future. JK! He looked gorgeous. I missed him though! I know it was a Ollie centric episode but I like some others could have cared less.The episode seemed too back door piloty for me!

I really really like Tess and the actress who plays her.

I loved Lois and I CANNOT praise Erica Durance enough for her role as Lois. She is my favorite Lois every PEROID!!!

Chloe has some really interesting stuff this year.

It wasn't my favorite and I was not into Green Arrow conception so I gave it a 6! I wanna see my man Clark back on the screen. It reminded me of Billie taking the front seat away from The Charmed One's in it's 8Th season. I didn't really like it. I know Tom needs a break though! Like The Charmed One's it was their final season and I wanted to see them as much as possible. If this one turns out to be Smallville's last, I wanna see my man as much as possible! SEXY WELLING MAN!!

Taeylor

Magda Halliwell

10-02-2008, 10:26 PM

9 Seems like the episodes are just getting better.
On the down side the cuts in budget are really apparent. The sound stage makes nighttime Metropolis seems like a freaking ghost town and it's just fake looking. Special effects have been cut mostly to the bare bones. I would have preferred they spent more on Clark's save of Tess rather than slow motion views of Ollie's archery practice.

I can understand your frustration. I was the same way in Charmed's final season. They saved a great deal of money for the Finale episodes and they looked amazing but you could tell they didn't have the money to do as elaborate effects and they were on the Paramount lot. I like the Paramount lot and it looks a lot more realsitc than this one in my opinion! Maybe if they get another season they can build it up like Buffy did with there back lot!

I love Smallville didn't get into like a lot of people here so I have to ask you all the questions. Which is fun! Charmed's budget was cute because the ratings sank just a bit in Season Seven, is that what happend with SM. Why the budget cuts?

kraami

10-02-2008, 10:26 PM

I gave it a 4 just for being a solid filler ...yeah it was nice to see some ollie past but wasn't that important. The best thing of the eepisode was Chloe standing up to clark and Ollie giving him hell for not telling about his parents The thing is ...Oliie is right Clark is fearful he is afraid of chloe getting hurt he blames himself he thinks he was protecting Ollie.. I think those two people standing up to him will get him to insert himself in his role of superman.

It was just a 4 ... so far the episodes are not too worthy of a great season. I was afraid of this.

Lois is still little annoying but not near as bad as last week still need to tone her down a bit more. I want to like her but I find it hard to do. Meaning i would rather go yeah it's lois instead of saying OMG its lois BLAH.

ShInE4YoU

10-02-2008, 10:35 PM

I gave this episode an 8. It was pretty good...

Things I liked:
-ED! She was awsome the whole way thru.
-Chloe embrassing her new powers.
-Clark in a suit! (HOTNESS!!!)

Things I had mixed feelings about:
-Oliver and Tess' connection
-The 'sodes villan
-Oliver's speech to Clark

Things I disliked:
-The fact that Oliver spend 2 years on that island and looked nice n' tiddy. I know they want the guys to look hot, but give him a beard, long hair, or some muddier clothes or something.....

Zeburial

10-02-2008, 10:41 PM

Gave it a 7, quite good episode. But I liked the first 2 alot better.

Mini Wolfsbane

10-02-2008, 10:42 PM

I give it a 7 or an 8. At least it was better then last weeks poorly written offering.

Good stuff:
IDK about everyone else, but I didn't mind Ollie yelling at Clark. I'd yell too if I were in
that situation even if they guy did save my life the night before. (Well, maybe.)

Eventhough I normally don't like flashbacks TOO much, this time around they
actually were cool. (Plus, you know, shirtless dirty, sweaty, wet Olly. Hello!)
The backstory was interesting, though maybe a little rushed.

It was nice that for once they didn't just brush over the fact that Chloe now has a super brain and Clark didn't react to it lightly. (Not that he would, but it was nice to see it onscreen.)

Tess was cool and I might be getting to like her a little. The ending was so Lex, but more, well, merciless. I mean, Lex would probably just have someone kill the dude for him, but Tess poisioned the guy herself. She's got moxie! (LOL. I can't believe I just wrote that, but I couldn't think of the right word, so I just used that instead.)

bad stuff:
Lollie. It's been done, it's over. Can we move on now?

Oliver is on the island for 2 years and he has no beared? Just some stubble? Come on!

That's really sad that Tess wanted a story on Olly just because she thought he was drunk. I don't get it. Some rich guy is supposedly drunk and that's big news how?

Lana got mentioned. Errgh.

Other:

Jimmy was no where to be seen in this episode. Maybe it's me, but I'd think since they're getting engaged he'd at least have one tiny scene in the episode, just because. I don't care if it is Olly's eppy, Jimmy should've showed up somewhere. It just doesn't feel like him and Chloe are engaged otherwise.

The plot near the end was a bit too formulaic and like we've see a trillion times before.
Does Clark have to show up and get the bad guy every time?
However, I was relieved at the very end when Tess got her revenge, so that made it a tad different. Haven't seen that kind of ending for a while.

ShInE4YoU

10-02-2008, 10:51 PM

Lana got mentioned. Errgh.

Other:

Jimmy was no where to be seen in this episode. Maybe it's me, but I'd think since they're getting engaged he'd at least have one tiny scene in the episode, just because. I don't care if it is Olly's eppy, Jimmy should've showed up somewhere. It just doesn't feel like him and Chloe are engaged otherwise.

I cringged when she got mentioned too......Where is Jimmy? Chloe and Davis have such a good chemistry. They are making it hard for me to believe this very intelligent (now even more than before) girl is gonna marry some one she has vague feelings for...

ginnyfan

10-02-2008, 11:05 PM

10/10

This was a fantabulous filler episode.

It's so wonderful when the same old characters interact with each other in new and unexpected ways. I enjoyed all of the character interactions. I liked the plot. I have to admit that I enjoyed Oliver's history better in the cellphone version but... it was still cheesy fun. It was suspenseful and action packed and funny. Great episode. The development of the characters and the plot moved forward. I felt that they did a good job keeping the momentum despite the fact that it was pure filler with Oliver's backstory and the evil... mercenaries. Lots of fun callbacks like Lionel killing Oliver's parents. :D

Fun.

Mini Wolfsbane

10-02-2008, 11:07 PM

I cringged when she got mentioned too......Where is Jimmy? Chloe and Davis have such a good chemistry. They are making it hard for me to believe this very intelligent (now even more than before) girl is gonna marry some one she has vague feelings for...

I didn't think Lana's name would even get mentioned again. Well, at least that
was all...and Clark didn't get all sappy about it. Sounds like he's actually pretty over
her. (Thankfully!)

Hmmm. Though I think Chloe and Davis seem as forced as a nail pounding a hammer,
I have to agree with you that they do seem to have chemistry.

jrose

10-03-2008, 01:01 AM

I gave it a 9. I was actually excited about this episode. Actually more excited than the premiere. Mainly because of the GA backstory. I never cared for GA until JH came on Smallville. So I was pretty stoked. But I think I was expecting too much. And now reading comments about show needs to be more Clark centered, I can't help but agree. But I do enjoy when they focus on other characters tho. But yea, it was totally unbelievable that he was on the island 2 yrs. It was totally rush. Maybe they can better tell that story in a GA spinoff (instead of "The Graysons" ack!)

Teri Hatcher has always been my favorite Lois Lane, but ED this season may be giving TH a run for her money this season. I'm enjoying Clois scenes a lot more this season than before. I still hate that she actually lived in Smallville - takes away from her "Smallville" pet name - City Girl paired with the Farm boy. If TW and ED continue on the chemistry they been having this season (I don't necessarily mean romantic), I may just forgive them for bringing Lois to Smallville.

I cannot end this without mentioning the last Clark/Ollie scene. I'm sorry, Ollie had every right to flip out. But only about his parents. That whole "afraid" bit. I blame that on his drinking. And oooo Clark's "Island" is out there. I liked the forshadowing, but it should have not been put in that scene. It took away from what the scene was about.

So yep 9. You would think I give lower, but hey, I can't help it... I love Smallville, even when its not great.

Yasise

10-03-2008, 01:53 AM

I gave it a 9 - I really enjoyed this episode, even if it wasn't Clark centric.
The little we saw of Clark was awsome!

All actors did an excellent job, IMO. I loved the continuity.

And, what I recognized in the last episode as well....finally Tom changed his way of "standing", I mean, in the last two seasons I always found his way of just standing there really "unnormal", so to speak.
He always stood there, hands down on both of his sides, like (as I said in posts before) Barbie's Ken - so not like a normal person I mean.
Of course he's meant to be superman and he's not a normal guy, but again, it looked so ridiculous, when he was standing there like that.

Now I noticed to my relief, that he puts his hands in his pockets while standing and talking to somebody, e.g. with Oliver in that last scene of them and it really looked so cool and "normal", like it should be IMO.

O.k. you can call me stupid or whatever, but I liked this "little" change very much :D

Oh, and Tom looks soooo gorgeous in that suits...wow... *going to faint*:o

yaseen101

10-03-2008, 01:59 AM

I gave it a 4.

Liked:

-Clark being pro-active
-Oliver on the island scenes
-Ollie and Tess scenes
-Clark and Lois at the Daily Planet.
-Clark's S curl at the DP.
-Scenes with Davis Bloome
-Tess being ruthless.

Disliked:

-The ep felt too unbalanced, too much Oliver I would have prefered that they showed great character moments rather than a GreenArrowville episode.
-I hate mushy stuff even if I'm 15 so yeah the Ollie/Lois scene bothered me a little.
-Too less Clark.
-The bar scene made me angry, 'cause Ollie seemed...scratch that is a jerk.
-Clark almost cried during that bar scene.

vyperman7

10-03-2008, 02:21 AM

This episosde was OK.

It felt like just when they got the ball rolling in Plastique, they take a step back in Toxic. It focused mainly on the backstory of Oliver and Tess as individual characters as well as their history together. Personally I could care less about this. I get that they are trying to develop their characters. However, it is development that didn't really need to happen. I personally liked seeing Tess as a mysterious villain like presence. Seeing her as a sweet and naive marine biologist adds a sympathetic layer to her character that I think she would do better without. Also, I was willing to accept Oliver as the GA at face value. I didn't need a whole episode dedicated to watching him on an island, shooting arrows into a tree. The main purpose of secondary characters like Oliver and Tess are to serve as background to pad the show. Most of the time should be spent on Clark.

This episode wasn't completely horrible though. It had little nuances that I liked. I liked that Clark discovered Chloe's new power, and once again I really liked Davis and his scenes with Chloe. I liked the reference to him having a secret side that he keeps hidden. Nice subtle hints at Doomsday is great. The bar scene with Clark and Oliver was very cool. I liked how Oliver found out about Lionel killing his parents, and the comment about Clark needing to find "his island" to test himself was great. I also got a laugh out of the "You stick to your milkshakes" bit from Oliver. The episode also had a few nice Clois moments in this episode. Speaking of Clois, I really liked the comment from Chloe about how much time that Clark and Lois have been spending together. Finally, I really liked the fact that they were able to make it seem like Clark was finally moving on from Lana.

So like I said, I think it was a mistake to waste an episode on two secondary characters, especially when they got some momentum going in Plastque. But, it was not comletely terrible either.

7/10

*One thing I have been noticing lately is that the show is cutting back on FX. So far, we have only seen one example of heat vision and speed, and every other time it has only been superhearing. I am wondering if the FX budget was affected.

sebari77

10-03-2008, 02:35 AM

2 out of 10.

This series is getting dangerously close to becoming a train-wreck and an insult to the loyal fans who have looked the other way after 2+ years of poor choices.

The Kate and Sawyer scenes.... err... the "Tess" and "Oliver" scenes.... how pathetic were they?? First of all, let us say that Smallville *previously* had a great tradition of taking old movies and TV shows and doing an homage or a direct rip-off, having fun with it, with a good sense of humor, kept it within the framework and goals of a Smallville episode. But this was horrible and pointless, a time-filling distraction at best.

With "Dichotic," Smallville used the nerd with grade problems in shop class from "The Breakfast Club" and made an interesting story which moved along both the Clark/Chloe and the Clark/Lana storylines/love-triangles.

With "Mercy," Smallville used the "Saw" movie series formula to create an interesting series of moral choices that advanced the Lionel Luthor struggle within himself, of his own good versus his own evil.

With "Void," Smallville used the "Flatliners" concept of dealing with the afterlife to explore Clark/Lana's breakup, Clark's superhuman abilities, and the death of the Clark/Lana relationship...

But this week's episode?

Gee, let's use flashbacks, jungle scenery, a dirt-smudge-faced supermodel-high-cheeked woman in a tight white shirt, and a topless man with a scruffy unshaved beard, unkempt brown hair with highlights, and some mysterious island because.... because.... well, gee, that stuff is so cool on Lost and, gee, why should we need justify it in order to achieve anything on Smallville? We want to do it cuz it looks so kewl.

PATHETIC.

Cassidy Freeman is all full of spunk, sexyness, and go-get'em enthusiasm... but... no substance, no depth, no reason to exist. She is out of her depth - and let's face it, Smallville isn't Shakespeare. Smallville is a great show, but, there are countless actors who could try to step in and minimize the damage created by the loss of Rosenbaum. But they haven't even tried. They try to act like this is a brand new show and, gosh darnit, give this rookie a try, and once you get to know her, you'll discover her hidden talents. First of all, I disupte those people who are placing such faith in her, but for the sake of argument, let's say they're right, I'm wrong, and eventually this Cassidy Freeman person will grow into some level of competence.... it is >obviously< the case that she is not up to stepping into Rosenbaum's shoes, she's not even up to the level of Sam Jones III as a sidekick, let alone, an antagonist/villain.

Freeman was tasked with saying in this episode, "You are one of the men in my life that taught me how to fight back" and she literally kung-fu's an evil man while wearing high-heels. It's like a bad self-parody of incompetent, tacked-on feminism. A walking caricature in sexy-business-professional iconography.

The new show-runners are obviously trying oh-so-hard to expand the tableau of Smallville into new areas. I won't fault them for their enthusiasm. But so far, their efforts are appalling. NOBODY CARES about this sudden "depth" of relationship between two secondary characters, one of which didn't arrive until season 6 or one which didn't arrive until season 8. Yes, the series must grow and move on... but, these Tess/Ollie stories are clearly examples of how NOT to go forward.

But, let's try to focus on the few, the very few, glimmers of hope from the episode. I gave it a "2" after all. I'm not yet ready to start handing out zeroes.

Even though the episode as awhole is among the worst in SV history, the Chloe/Clark moments revolving around the realizations of Chloe's new abilities, and the palpable fear of what that might represent for the both of them, were encouraging, and, despite 7 years' worth of territory, represented new areas to explore for the Chloe/Clark relationship, and hints at a number of interesting developments to look forward to as the season progresses.

Next, the Lois/Clark stuff from this season continues to surprise and delight. MORE PLEASE !!! Lois's grabbing of Clark's coffee at the end was one of the first moments in this series that made me felt like I was truly watching Lois and Clark characters that are completely compatible with the rich mythology of Superman. Great jobs all around - the writing, editing, directing, costuming, but *especially* the performances made these moments stand out.

Lastly, the one totally new dynamic in SV, the chemistry between Chloe and this new EMT character (who, I've gathered, may be SV's version of Doomsday), is actually not that bad. They've piqued interest in their scenes. Not too bad.

Bottom line:
Chloe-powers storyline: staying interesting
Tess Mercer: is it too late to pretend this character never existed?
Chloe/Doomsday: not too bad, as far as SV secondary plots go. Better than the witches!
Clark/Lois: THIS SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF THE SEASON.

Final comment:

STILL NOT ENOUGH CLARK-DEVELOPMENT.

The show is going off the rails. Fix it, please!!!

Chloe>All

10-03-2008, 04:50 AM

This episode was kind of weak. I felt there should have been more action. Plus, it needed more Clark/Lois, but it looks like we'll get some of that next episode. I gave this a 6.

shamville

10-03-2008, 05:37 AM

Forgot about lois and davis scenes it was good, i wish davis would bring food to lois , chloe. For least have food in their system i know oliver hurt, Lois got know davis well.

RedKalEL

10-03-2008, 06:48 AM

i din't like this episode. this is a superman show not a green arrow show. and also i think people are overreacting with the bar scene. jsut becuase oliver said clark hasn't move on doesn't mean it's true. i mean come on he in the daily planet doing investigating saving people. Oliver was just being a jerk and don't forget he was drunk.

dimeo782002

10-03-2008, 07:20 AM

i get the feeling tom welling may not sign a season 9 contract and they plan on going forward with the green arrow in smallville ! thus the green arrow related episode ! they want to see if green arrow can hold and episode alone imo ! im not for it ... sorry this is smallville ! story of clark kent. yes there were things i liked about the episode. i liked the fact it only dealt with two stroylines rather than three or four lol ! ollie could have been dirtier on the island . either brainiac is effecting chloe or theretrying to continue there classical shipper angst. i choose to think that chloe is a little upset at clarks reaction to her engagement and that a alittle time has passed and she is also still adjusting to changes , lois at the planet correcting clarks papaers , that is jealousy lmao ! she will alwasy have some love for journalism and i believe her when she said she thought she would be the one there despite her career change she probably will have doubts and remorse if she didn't it would be another lightswitch so im glad they brought that line into the scene we need to believe chloe misses being a reporter to some degree because if she didn't at all ..... it would not make sense

shadow4486

10-03-2008, 07:46 AM

Over all I liked the episode. It didn't delve too much into the Green Arrow back story, at least not as much as I would have liked, but it did give us some insight in to Tess Mercer. I really am beginning to like this character. The sheer ruthlessness at the end was awesome!

I also loved the line Chloe said to Clark about how, with her new Brainac power, that before he start giving her 7000 ways it is his fault, that she's cool with it. That just kinda gives some closure on all the times that something happened and he has indeed said it's all his fault. Hopefully he won't ever say that again about anything.

Over all it was a good episode, not great or game changing, but good...kinda like the VP debate

SueB

10-03-2008, 08:24 AM

I wrote a longer review elsewhere so I'll keep this short.

Smallville has turned into a live-action comic book. It was always the back story about a comic book character but now it is a comic book.

The style, the editing, the plot jumping, etc... all comics. Some are thrilled with that or the Clois and are screaming "best EVAH", me, not so much.

Comic approach to storytelling:
- Did anyone else half expect to see a little yellow box in the upper left corner with black italics writing which said: "Many year ago, on a deserted island" or "Meanwhile, back at the Daily Planet"? We were jumping from action spot to action spot. A patchwork of scenes (again) with very little stitching in between.
- The number of WTF/Plotholes/non-sequitors was astounding. How did Ollie not stumble across that plant in 2 years, why would Davis risk his job for Chloe after only 1 episode which ended kindof badly for the patient, why would Chloe not try to cover her intelligence better from Davis, some random thug has the memory recall ability to recognize Ollie... the list goes on but you get my point.
- The dark lighting. This isn't TDK, is this a budget issue? Clark should have some sunshine -- it's in his nature.
- The sets which scream "TV set!". The island with CGI sunset was particularly bad. But it all felt plastic-y.
- The characterization. I thought Tess was great but she was larger than life right off the bat. There is no one who is real anymore. Lois is a caricature, Chloe/Clark/Ollie are superpowered or superheros, Davis is a hidden monster... .

If you want a live action comic, with broad characters and jumping from action to action with no attempt at explanation of why it all makes sense ... then this SV is for you!

A final note about Clark this episode. Yay, he's running around saving the day. Boo-hiss he's a doormat. Several harsh comments from Chloe at the party(is this herself or are her new abilities affecting her?), Chloe shutting him down on the effect Brainiac has had on her (Clark really should have at least said "I'll accept that for now, but we need to talk after we take care of Oliver", the usual Lois abuse (why would he possibly accept finishing a kitten story?), he apparently watches the videotape alot (cringe. I would love him to say he's thought about Lana alot, but watching the video tape again --- with Hagen Daaz?), and finally Ollie's tirade where he calls Superman a coward. I know the point of the tirade was a foreshadowing anvil, but Clark has already had "his island". The Phantom Zone, the pop-sicle, the Russian work camp. It may have not had "mosquitoes!" but it served the same purpose. And, since Ollie is apparently completely witting of Clark being an alien, he should know what Clark has been through. I really need a transcript of that offscreenville reveal to Ollie... Bottom line: Clark should not be the doormat, he should be the star.

ETA: And for those who insist that TPTB would never destroy the Chlark friendship to enable Clois -- yeah, you were mistaken. Chloe herself (or Chloe with the extra snippy brainpower) spotted it straight away -- Clois replacing Chlark as friends is not only happening, it's a major point of the season. And this is not romance. This is the friendship. Of course we have to marry Chloe to a lessor man, have her affected by a supercomputer, and giving her Superman's deadliest enemy as a new confident to make this plausible --- but hey, we've stopped trying to make a story, we're making a comic book.

BIGBLUE1

10-03-2008, 08:36 AM

Ok Show I Liked It .. A Little Bit Of Ollie . I Think Justinwas Moving Around And Showing Alotta Emotion To Be Poisoned... But I Like The Connection Between The Two Honestly I Would Have Liked To See More Of The Ollie Dreams But What Happened Happened. The Quick Montauge They Had For Ollie As He Was Learning To Shot A Bow And Arrow Was A Little To Whack Not Enough Showmenship Of How Became The Green Arow.. But This Issmallvile Not Star City. Anyways I Think The Graphic For The Arrow Spilit Were Cool But With Th Crappy Out- Put The Cw Has Ill Wait To See It On Dvd To Se It Better. I Like Tess She Starting To Grow On Me .. We See Her Right Away Showus How Ruthless She Can Be And Not Afraid Of Gettin Her Hands Dirty. The Death Of Her Friend Was A Little Overdramatic Or Mayb It Was Just They Editing ..but It Was Ok. As For Davis The Mans Good I Like Him Not Bad.. Im Even More Exicted That I Can Play Him As A Lightsaber Force Powering Jedi In The Star Wars Game . But Back To Smallville.... I Like Clark In The Suit .. Fills Out Nice I Even Saw The Red An Blue Man I Guess He's Alwasy Going To Be That Way But What Happens When He Dawns The Cape And Tights Well He Still Where The Red Anblue Orwill He Disembow His Red And Blue Fetish Before Hand .. Ah Anyways The End Scene With Ollie And Clark Was Good I See The Frustration With Ollie. Whihc Is Cool And I Can't Wait To See What Chloe Is Gong To Go Through This Season. All In All I Liked The Show But I Think It Was One Of The Weak Show Of The Season But There Always Is One. And I Knew That This Wasn't Going To Be Opne Of Those Great Smallville Episoes But It Was Still Good. I Love This Show!!!!!!!!

Season 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stenochick

10-03-2008, 10:00 AM

oberyn

10-03-2008, 10:05 AM

I gave it a 7. I have no problem with either the Oliver Queen character or Justin Hartley's portrayal. The only reason I didn't give it an 8 or 9 is that I'm generally not too enthusiastic about episodes that make Clark Kent a supporting character.

unfocused

10-03-2008, 10:05 AM

blah blah blah

There's so much of that around here :rolleyes:

All about Clark

10-03-2008, 10:10 AM

I thought it was solid, I gave it an 8.

Too much Oliver and Tess, and not enough Clark IMO.

The last Clark and Oliver scene, wow, I had to watch that like 10 times. Oliver is really only half right, Clark is afraid of being who he is expected to be, no lie there. But Clark has had his island, I mean, if being in the PZ wasn't it, then I don't know what would be. There is still much Clark is not willing to share with Oliver, and that makes Oliver right about the "not trusting your friends" line. Clark clearly only has one he trusts and that's Chloe. So I give Oliver credit for getting it partially right. But Oliver hasn't lived a day in Clark's shoes, so it's not fair of him. But I do get he was pissed that Clark knew that Lionel had killed his parents, and the sh!t gets worse in that he killed them for the traveler. So, as I said, WOW. Oh, and maybe TPTB used the island as forshadowing for Doomsday, who knows, but the PZ had to be worse, the way he watched Earth get more distant and blackened out. That was clearly his island. Because that was emotional and physical panic, and Doomsday is just a battle that someday he won't win.

Chloe already jealous of Lois, well you knew that would be coming.

Super genius Chloe, not really digging the quantum leap she is taking. Clark had every right to be concerned. This spells danger if you ask me.

Lois and Clark sharing their feelings was sweet.

And when did Oliver thank Clark and Chloe for saving his life.

disciples of zod

10-03-2008, 10:12 AM

7/10

i thought that it seemed to me that they left a lot out. i thought there was going to be more about oliver's time on the island. but instead, it was just an oliver/tess....thing.

idk, to say i was disappointed would be wrong, but i thought it would have been better.

other than that, very great episode! =]

Joelito

10-03-2008, 10:23 AM

ok, I gave 8..filler for me it was.

Yasise

10-03-2008, 10:27 AM

................Great jobs all around - the writing, editing, directing, costuming, but *especially* the performances made these moments stand out.

Final comment:

STILL NOT ENOUGH CLARK-DEVELOPMENT.

Wow sebari, you really made an effort to write all your thoughts down! And actually I totally hear you. I so understand where your frustration comes from.
And I totally agree with these two points above, that I left of your long post ;)

That's my point overall: In season 7 "....the writing, editing, directing, costuming, but *especially* the performances...." have changed to the better this season and for me these are the reasons I'm still watching this show - and of course Tom Welling :D

I've to say though that I've enjoyed this episode.

BUT: Let's hope this season is the last season!!!

AND: Your final comment is also totally true!

I enjoyed watching it. I agree with a lot of SueB's points, but I guess I have shut down that part of my brain for the sake of enjoying Smallville.

Tess gets better every episode, as does Clark. I have a crush on Clark Kent. He is sooooo adorable and sublime and humble. This is definitely the adult son of Jonathon and Martha Kent. This is definitely the future Superman.

The one thing I am still wrestling with is Ollie calling Clark out on his fears. He told him that perhaps he has not had his "desert island" yet, which I assume was to foreshadow his ultimate battle with Doomsday.

But, really?

Ollie is saying this to Clark after 1. Ollie killed him, 2. Clark spent a month in slave labor 3. the FOS collapsed on him, he lost his powers, and sans powers hiked through the Arctic, 4. he fought and defeated Brainiac after spending several weeks watching his lover suffer horribly, 5. he fought and defeated Bizarro as well as a handful of other zoners, 6. he was trapped in the phantom zone, 7. his adoptive father died, 8. his birth parents died along with his entire race, 9. he landed on earth as an orphaned, helpless toddler.

Correct me if I left anything out.

But, I do agree with Ollie. Clark is a fearful guy and it does hinder him (flying) physically, mentally, and emotionally. Plus, Ollie was drunk and just found out one of his best friends knew that Lionel murdered his parents.

Anyway, that was the only thing that I had to work through. I enjoyed watching and there were no plotholes or inconsistencies that were so gaping that they took me out of the story or that I felt the urge to vent about.

100 % agreed.:)

stenochick

10-03-2008, 10:35 AM

...we were missing key elements of why, what, when, where etc. Instead of showing Lois still loving Ollie maybe they could have shown us where CK got the vaccine and how he knew to get it? Or did I miss something.......

Tess told him that there was a Luthorcorp location in Brazil that had the antidote but that there was no way to get it to Ollie in time. I assume that during the commercial, Clark was able to get the exact location in Brazil from Tess' files, or he got Chloiac to hack some database to find the exact location. Or, he supersped to Brazil and was able, with his super-hearing, xray-vision, and superspeed, to search the entire country for the Luthorcorp facility with the antidote in time to get it to Ollie.

----- Added 9 Minutes later -----

Anyway, that was the only thing that I had to work through. I enjoyed watching and there were no plotholes or inconsistencies that were so gaping that they took me out of the story or that I felt the urge to vent about.

Actually, there was one thing...when Ollie said that he had been on the island for two years but only had about two days beard growth. That took me out of the story because my husband snickered, "nice beard" and then I remembered an interview with JH where he said that he was only given a couple days notice not to shave for that episode.

Remy72883

10-03-2008, 11:37 AM

"Very Nice"

This episode was lack of a better word. GREAT. We got to see the events which in turn led to Oliver's transformation into the notorious arrow shooting, air spliting GREEN ARROW. We also get to see a good backstory showing that Oliver and are recently knewly added character to the show Tess. Have a very interesting and exciting history. We also get to see Clark and Chloe's first little tiff about Chloe's new and improved powers. And that Lois despite her tough as nails attitude still lingers feeling for are Hooded Crusader. All and all i feel this episode was very good going into a great backstory and that Tess is just as dark if not more than Lex Luthor. And it is still keeping the door open for many excting things yet to come. I give this episode 9+

geminis

10-03-2008, 11:38 AM

I enjoyed watching it. I agree with a lot of SueB's points, but I guess I have shut down that part of my brain for the sake of enjoying Smallville.

Tess gets better every episode, as does Clark. I have a crush on Clark Kent. He is sooooo adorable and sublime and humble. This is definitely the adult son of Jonathon and Martha Kent. This is definitely the future Superman.

The one thing I am still wrestling with is Ollie calling Clark out on his fears. He told him that perhaps he has not had his "desert island" yet, which I assume was to foreshadow his ultimate battle with Doomsday.

But, really?

Ollie is saying this to Clark after 1. Ollie killed him, 2. Clark spent a month in slave labor 3. the FOS collapsed on him, he lost his powers, and sans powers hiked through the Arctic, 4. he fought and defeated Brainiac after spending several weeks watching his lover suffer horribly, 5. he fought and defeated Bizarro as well as a handful of other zoners, 6. he was trapped in the phantom zone, 7. his adoptive father died, 8. his birth parents died along with his entire race, 9. he landed on earth as an orphaned, helpless toddler.

Correct me if I left anything out.

But, I do agree with Ollie. Clark is a fearful guy and it does hinder him (flying) physically, mentally, and emotionally. Plus, Ollie was drunk and just found out one of his best friends knew that Lionel murdered his parents.

Anyway, that was the only thing that I had to work through. I enjoyed watching and there were no plotholes or inconsistencies that were so gaping that they took me out of the story or that I felt the urge to vent about.

In Oliver's defense, he doesn't have all of that information about Clark; only Clark does. Also, you can spend two years in a place and never really know it, even if and especially because it's an island. I lived on one for one year and still barely scratched the surface. I don't see Ollie as the flower type guy, either, I think he was probably too busy trying to oh, say, eat and stay alive rather than muck about with flowers.

And regarding the characterization. Hello, this is based off a comic book, they are going to be larger than life. But I also have to respectfully disagree that Lois was not a caricature. That was some pretty heartfelt deep emotion she showed over Ollie's comatose form, something she hates to show and usually masks by being rude and brusk.

Clark and his island. Everything up to this point could be considered his island; it's the one that makes Clark step up and say I'm not going to be the same person hiding in the shadows that I think Oliver was getting at. That was Oliver's turning point, he's saying Clark is still not necessarily a coward, just that he's not completely ready to be the Superman that Ollie knows he can be, but eventually there will be a point when Clark makes that decision. That's his island.

I like comic books. I like tv shows. Neither of them are real life and consequently don't have the time to show everything. Mistakes are made, but that happens in real life too. Writers have the advantage but they are only human. Nothing is going to turn out exactly like we expect, but that's part of the journey.

Remy72883

10-03-2008, 11:38 AM

POSSIBLE TROUBLE FOR THE FUTURE OF SMALLVILLE. A FRIEND SENT THIS TO ME AND I HOPE IT IS NOT TRUE.

A young acrobat who performs as part of a family act called The Flying Graysons is orphaned when a mobster sabotages the family trapeze, killing his parents in a horrible accident. Bruce Wayne comes along and takes the boy under his wing, and thus Robin is born.

Sound interesting?

The CW hopes so because Variety is reporting that the network plans on replacing Smallville with The Graysons should the Superman teen drama come to a conclusion this season. If Smallville stays, then the Robin prequel will serve as a companion piece.

The name of the spinoff show comes from Robin's true identity - Dick "DJ" Grayson.

Smallville executive producers Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson, as well as Supernatural executive producer McG are slated to work on the new Warner Bros. TV endeavor.

The project demonstrates Warner Brothers' continued support of the CW, which also hosts Gossip Girl and 90210 2.0.

Following in Smallville's footsteps, The Graysons will revolve around DJ's life as he deals with family, friends, and foes.

superpal1

10-03-2008, 11:43 AM

Gave it 7. I liked the backstory of Oliver and Tess. I liked how GA sort of gave us a prelude to the "Clark island" that he still has to face (Doomsday). I just wish that Clark would get off his butt. People are telling him things about himself that he has already been told a hundred times in past seasons. Please let the Chloe line be the end to him feeling guilty and lets get going.

Yasise

10-03-2008, 11:51 AM

....Or, he supersped to Brazil and was able, with his super-hearing, xray-vision, and superspeed, to search the entire country for the Luthorcorp facility with the antidote in time to get it to Ollie..

Yes, I think he did it that way. With superspeed there's no problem for Clark to search a whole country for that lab and get back in time.

....Actually, there was one thing...when Ollie said that he had been on the island for two years but only had about two days beard growth.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too, when Olliver told that guy that he's been on that island for two years. I was like "huh? why is his hair so short then, why has he still so clean trousers, which weren't torn so much and of course why has he not a beard like Robinson Crusoe has had???
If Olliver wouldn't have said that, about the two years, I mean, I would have guessed that he musthave been there for only a couple of weeks maybe.

...............The CW hopes so because Variety is reporting that the network plans on replacing Smallville with The Graysons should the Superman teen drama come to a conclusion this season. .

Well, that's exactly what I was thinking when I first read those news about "The Graysons".

stenochick

10-03-2008, 12:30 PM

In Oliver's defense, he doesn't have all of that information about Clark; only Clark does. Also, you can spend two years in a place and never really know it, even if and especially because it's an island. I lived on one for one year and still barely scratched the surface. I don't see Ollie as the flower type guy, either, I think he was probably too busy trying to oh, say, eat and stay alive rather than muck about with flowers.

And regarding the characterization. Hello, this is based off a comic book, they are going to be larger than life. But I also have to respectfully disagree that Lois was not a caricature. That was some pretty heartfelt deep emotion she showed over Ollie's comatose form, something she hates to show and usually masks by being rude and brusk.

Clark and his island. Everything up to this point could be considered his island; it's the one that makes Clark step up and say I'm not going to be the same person hiding in the shadows that I think Oliver was getting at. That was Oliver's turning point, he's saying Clark is still not necessarily a coward, just that he's not completely ready to be the Superman that Ollie knows he can be, but eventually there will be a point when Clark makes that decision. That's his island.

I like comic books. I like tv shows. Neither of them are real life and consequently don't have the time to show everything. Mistakes are made, but that happens in real life too. Writers have the advantage but they are only human. Nothing is going to turn out exactly like we expect, but that's part of the journey.

Are you sure you meant to quote my post? All of your points are outside of what I brought up in my post. Just wondering, no big deal, though.

Xanderman

10-03-2008, 12:32 PM

5/10 - Passing grade at best. Ah yes, the return of "repetitive Smallville"....

#1--Oliver on that island, half naked trying to survive...yeah they did that with Lex already. Was it supposed to be the same island? Were they referencing/connecting the scenes/events on purpose? If not, it's just another classic example of Smallville's producers/writers repeating themselves unnecessarily.
#2--Clark saving someone who doesn't deserve saving--repeatedly. We saw this done countless times for YEARS with Lex, and here we go again with Female Lex ie. Tess. He saved her from that bus, and now again here. It's the old Clark/Lex dynamic all over again. Why oh why can't they find new/better writers....Al&Miles clearly weren't to blame for all of SV's problems--the surviving producers/showrunners have their share as well, and unfortunately for fans who feel like I do, they're still around.

What I did enjoy:
- Lois and Clois
- Chloe

What I didn't like:
- the repetitive elements above
- Oliver/JH running around shirtless half the ep like this was a soap opera with him being the token "pretty boy" to appeal to female viewers---they're making JH play the "pretty boy" role way too strongly this season, it sickens me. lol
- I absolutely hated that they started off the season with the Justice League/MM etc, making Smallville into a cartoon---Green Arrow had his time (in the 6th season) and I enjoyed his character and stories and loved season 6 because of it. But continued focus on him now, developing more backstory etc, in what could be the last season about a show about YOUNG SUPERMAN seems so pointless and such a waste of valuable Clark/Superman development time (maybe they're planning on doing a GA spinoff after Smallville I guess, that might explain the GA overkill)
- I'm still not really into Davis, probably mainly to do with the actor. But perhaps he's supposed to be "off" or not liked given the spoilers of who he ends up being.

The episode definitely had redeeming elements though, making it definitely better than the truly awful season premiere imo. The 2nd ep (Plastique) is the best so far to me, it felt like we were going in the right direction after that. Final word: We need more focus on Clark (and Lois) and less cartoon crap (like the Justice League) to fix this season.

2 out of 10.

This series is getting dangerously close to becoming a train-wreck and an insult to the loyal fans who have looked the other way after 2+ years of poor choices.

The Kate and Sawyer scenes.... err... the "Tess" and "Oliver" scenes.... how pathetic were they?? First of all, let us say that Smallville *previously* had a great tradition of taking old movies and TV shows and doing an homage or a direct rip-off, having fun with it, with a good sense of humor, kept it within the framework and goals of a Smallville episode. But this was horrible and pointless, a time-filling distraction at best.

With "Dichotic," Smallville used the nerd with grade problems in shop class from "The Breakfast Club" and made an interesting story which moved along both the Clark/Chloe and the Clark/Lana storylines/love-triangles.

With "Mercy," Smallville used the "Saw" movie series formula to create an interesting series of moral choices that advanced the Lionel Luthor struggle within himself, of his own good versus his own evil.

With "Void," Smallville used the "Flatliners" concept of dealing with the afterlife to explore Clark/Lana's breakup, Clark's superhuman abilities, and the death of the Clark/Lana relationship...

But this week's episode?

Gee, let's use flashbacks, jungle scenery, a dirt-smudge-faced supermodel-high-cheeked woman in a tight white shirt, and a topless man with a scruffy unshaved beard, unkempt brown hair with highlights, and some mysterious island because.... because.... well, gee, that stuff is so cool on Lost and, gee, why should we need justify it in order to achieve anything on Smallville? We want to do it cuz it looks so kewl.

PATHETIC.

Cassidy Freeman is all full of spunk, sexyness, and go-get'em enthusiasm... but... no substance, no depth, no reason to exist. She is out of her depth - and let's face it, Smallville isn't Shakespeare. Smallville is a great show, but, there are countless actors who could try to step in and minimize the damage created by the loss of Rosenbaum. But they haven't even tried. They try to act like this is a brand new show and, gosh darnit, give this rookie a try, and once you get to know her, you'll discover her hidden talents. First of all, I disupte those people who are placing such faith in her, but for the sake of argument, let's say they're right, I'm wrong, and eventually this Cassidy Freeman person will grow into some level of competence.... it is >obviously< the case that she is not up to stepping into Rosenbaum's shoes, she's not even up to the level of Sam Jones III as a sidekick, let alone, an antagonist/villain.

Freeman was tasked with saying in this episode, "You are one of the men in my life that taught me how to fight back" and she literally kung-fu's an evil man while wearing high-heels. It's like a bad self-parody of incompetent, tacked-on feminism. A walking caricature in sexy-business-professional iconography.

The new show-runners are obviously trying oh-so-hard to expand the tableau of Smallville into new areas. I won't fault them for their enthusiasm. But so far, their efforts are appalling. NOBODY CARES about this sudden "depth" of relationship between two secondary characters, one of which didn't arrive until season 6 or one which didn't arrive until season 8. Yes, the series must grow and move on... but, these Tess/Ollie stories are clearly examples of how NOT to go forward.

But, let's try to focus on the few, the very few, glimmers of hope from the episode. I gave it a "2" after all. I'm not yet ready to start handing out zeroes.

Even though the episode as awhole is among the worst in SV history, the Chloe/Clark moments revolving around the realizations of Chloe's new abilities, and the palpable fear of what that might represent for the both of them, were encouraging, and, despite 7 years' worth of territory, represented new areas to explore for the Chloe/Clark relationship, and hints at a number of interesting developments to look forward to as the season progresses.

Next, the Lois/Clark stuff from this season continues to surprise and delight. MORE PLEASE !!! Lois's grabbing of Clark's coffee at the end was one of the first moments in this series that made me felt like I was truly watching Lois and Clark characters that are completely compatible with the rich mythology of Superman. Great jobs all around - the writing, editing, directing, costuming, but *especially* the performances made these moments stand out.

Lastly, the one totally new dynamic in SV, the chemistry between Chloe and this new EMT character (who, I've gathered, may be SV's version of Doomsday), is actually not that bad. They've piqued interest in their scenes. Not too bad.

Bottom line:
Chloe-powers storyline: staying interesting
Tess Mercer: is it too late to pretend this character never existed?
Chloe/Doomsday: not too bad, as far as SV secondary plots go. Better than the witches!
Clark/Lois: THIS SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF THE SEASON.

Final comment:

STILL NOT ENOUGH CLARK-DEVELOPMENT.

The show is going off the rails. Fix it, please!!!Awesome review, I agree with a lot of it. Very insightful.

Spirit Detective

10-03-2008, 01:25 PM

This episode was okay. It was nice seeing the origin of the green arrow

monel49

10-03-2008, 01:42 PM

Liked it and gave it a 9. Again, characters are more mature, the pace moves more swiftly, secrets are revealed that are satisfying--another fine installment of a re-imagined show. Kudos to writers , directors and producers.

Jaderoyale

10-03-2008, 02:29 PM

For a "filler", this was a good episode.
Seriously, TW, if you get any better looking i'll have a heartattack.
I loved the continuity, and acting was splendid.
Doesn't rank as high as Odyssey and Plastique though.
8/10

Eta; I LOVE TESS.
Alot of people are saying CF is out of her depth. But come on. She's practically had to step into MR's shoes, and they are big to fill. I think she's doing fabulously.

babyluthor

10-03-2008, 02:52 PM

5. I was not very impressed with this episode. I just didn't find the story compelling. We learn a little bit of the back story for Green Arrow. Basically they told us he was stranded on an Island for 2 years and taught himself how to shoot arrows. I thought the Tess-Ollie connection seemed kinda forced.

Speaking of forced relationships, do we really need a Davis-Chloe relationship? Why was Davis even in this episode? I don't know what the writers are thinking. Please listen to the fans. We don't want Chimmy, we don't want Choomy, we want Chlark!

I was hoping for some great super speed effects when Clark learned that the antidote was in Brazil. Unfortunately there was none. He just show up in the next scene with the antidote in hand.

After the last 2 episodes, I say Smallville really needs to step it up and get back on track. Of course I still love the show and will watch it because I have seen every episode, but I'm really starting to question the quality of the show and its future.

And one more thing, how are people still giving high ratings for episodes like this? About 30% voted either 9 or 10. 10 seriously? You guys really think this was one of the best episodes? Either these voters have blinders on and refuse to vote anything less, or they just haven't seen what good television shows should be.

geminis

10-03-2008, 03:00 PM

Are you sure you meant to quote my post? All of your points are outside of what I brought up in my post. Just wondering, no big deal, though.

I should have bolded what I was trying to address in my quote of what you said; it was your list of things Clark has suffered. My point was that Clark may have gone through all this, but Oliver doesn't necessarily know that.

It was a combination of yours and SueB's that I was trying to address, since you brought her up in your original post. I don't know how to do multiple quotes, sorry.:o Hers was the more central point of my focus, should have quoted her instead. Hindsight.

In any case, I had diminished expectations for this episode because it seemed to focus around Oliver but was pleasantly surprised. I can never have enough Clark but other than that, not bad. Not bad at all. Definitely better than what was given to us in season 7.

Jill

10-03-2008, 03:24 PM

I thought it was ok, nothing special...
I'm still not convinced about Chloe getting a new power, but apparently it's because of Brainiac...
I liked the Ollie flashbacks, at least we get to know a little bit about his past and stuff.
Not too thrilled about Tess and Ollie relationship, but they did a good job.
Loved the Clois scenes.
And, is it just me or Clark is getting more dumb every week? I mean, I love Clark, but sometimes he's just so...I dunno. Even his expressions are stupid sometimes. lol.

Well, overall, it was a good episode, nothing big, but still good.

8/10

dezperado

10-03-2008, 08:58 PM

I gave it a 7. I agree with a lot of you, I was interested to see some of oliver's past, but the way it was put together, and mixed with knowing tess...I mean it felt rather forced just so they could have some crazy connection. this isn't LOST. Other than that, It was pretty good for another "filler." I loved Clark unintentionally giving his coffee to Lois. Classic "Kent" with the look on his face when Lois took it. Next wek should be interesting...counting the days.

kalelnica

10-03-2008, 11:06 PM

it was good. the island didnt look as fake as the one lex was in season 2.

mof123

10-03-2008, 11:51 PM

it was an amazing episode!!! gave it an 8/10.
i also loved the ollie/tess connectit i have a problem with the fact that Chloe reacted to quickly to Clark's claim that Brainiac's behind it. Mack didnt give herself time to make a big deal out of it. she just did, just like that! no stalling

thefilmguy22384

10-04-2008, 12:44 AM

Eh the episode was nothing special. All the episodes this season so far haven't been flat out terrible. They have been entertaining over all. But none of them stand out. I watch them and as soon as I'm done I move on with out really thinking back on the episode at all. There is nothing new or unique the show has done so far. I thought with the Green Arrow origin story we might get that but it was only okay. Again nothing special. I didn't like how it was edited. Especially the first part of the flashbacks. How they flashed through the two years Oliver was supposedly on that island showing nothing more then him making target practice with a bow and arrow. It just wasn't compelling or all that interesting. I wouldn't have even known that two years had passed if Oliver didn't spoon feed the information to us. To me it seemed like a few weeks considering that his hair and facial hair barely grew at all. Also his mental state certainly wasn't at all convincing of someone who has been lost on an island with out any human contact at all for two years. That kind of isolation would take a toll on even the most stable of people. His behavior suggested someone that had only been lost for no longer then a few weeks at most.

Also I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe's new found intellegence ability. Wasn't her having the ability to bring people back from the dead enough? It just seems the show gives her some weird new spin every season to keep her character fresh. Now I liked the twist of her discovering Clarks secret and becoming his side kick. Then with her getting a meteor power I was starting to think maybe that's a little too much but ok I'll go along with it. Now this intellegence coming from Brainiacs attack is going a little too far for me I think. I mean that is a pretty minor complaint and it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the show at all. It just leaves me wondering whats next. Is she going to learn how to fly before Clark too? lol

And again I really don't care for the Tess character. When Chloe said that Tess was a Luthor wannabe I laughed because that's exactly what the character is. She's such a poor replacement and is usually just doing Lex impressions every time she is on screen. She even imitates some of the same looks Rosebaum used. However, I do have to admit that in this episode she showed a few new sides to herself. I wasn't crazy about connecting her to Olivers origin story but I did like how for once she showed some humanity. It at least showed me that the actress has potential to act and be her own person. But sadly it looks like the people behind the show are going to continue having her directed to act like a female Lex. Now I could be wrong and this episode could mark a start to her evolving into her own character. It's hard to say at this point which way they are going to go with it. If she does continue doing Lex impressions though then I really want her to get killed off. All her Lex impressions do is irritate me and remind me what a loss Michael Rosenbaum's absense from the show is. He is not replaceable. With that in mind the Smallville creative team should make her her own person instead of a female Lex. Again I just really hope that they can convince Rosebaum to come in at least for the last episode or two. Things really need to be tied up with that character before the show ends.

Yasise

10-04-2008, 12:55 AM

I don't know how to do multiple quotes, sorry.:o

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LionelLuthor

10-04-2008, 03:10 AM

Solid episode, if a bit on the filler side.

People slating Oliver for what he said to Clark...he was drunk remember.
2 shots in quick succession, and who knows how long he'd been at the bar- he was hammered.

Hopefulsuicide

10-04-2008, 07:26 PM

odyssey was a dissapointment, which i was used to having hated season 7

but since then it just keeps getting better and better

the writing in toxic is better (not amazing, but better), the ideas introduced are inteteresting, the interation of characters was awesome, there was hints at chlollie and lollie, my question of 'why didn't clark tell Ollie about Lionel killing his parents' was finally adressed (although i kept screaming at clark to defend himself), Ollie seemed so on a human and understandable level, i liked davis involvement etc etc

the only thing that was weak in the episode was the flashbacks, which i thought where just simply not acted and scripted as well, but Tess was brilliant... did anyone think cassidy did a brilliant job portraying herself as evil and as good very well?

anyway, i gave it a 9, because if episodes continue to please me this much, i might start getting people to watch smallville again :)

RedArrow

10-05-2008, 07:22 AM

it was ok but he was on that island for 2 years and looked like he stepped out of GQ mag
and dont like the tee mercery shes no lex shes kill that guy wow just another killer lex is way more deep and chole a super computer kill her please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

dimeo782002

10-05-2008, 07:47 AM

Saber

10-05-2008, 09:27 AM

Overall, a slow uneventful episode & not much substance, I gave it a 4. The focus has shifted so much away from Clark that he basically blended into the background. He was just a gofer in this episode almost to the point of being unrecognizable.
The dialogue and flow of the episode was weak. Some details could’ve been added to make it more believable. Could it have killed them to slap on a small beard & some cheap extensions on Ollie to make him look more island bound.

Anyways, I notice lately that if you give a negative opinion around here about the show, some peeps get their tights into a bunch and make this thread seem pointless as an opinion thread.
I truly hope next weeks episode isn’t a train wreck as the last three episodes were (IMO).

Humdinger

10-05-2008, 09:52 AM

stargirl14

10-05-2008, 11:38 AM

yeah,i kinda liked it,too,you know,other than the tess thing:eek:well,at least i got my question(where did chloe get her smart powers from?)answered.:pi got to say, my least favorite episode of season 8 would have to be plastique,except for the ending:rotfl:

stenochick

10-05-2008, 01:45 PM

In any case, I had diminished expectations for this episode because it seemed to focus around Oliver but was pleasantly surprised. I can never have enough Clark but other than that, not bad. Not bad at all. Definitely better than what was given to us in season 7.

ITA.

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For example you've just read a post, you klick on that "multiple quote button" and go on reading all the other posts. When you find another post, you want to "collect", again klick on that "multiple quote button" and so on.

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Thanks for the info. I did not know that!

Hopefulsuicide

10-05-2008, 04:05 PM

:lol:... i didnt know that either... that is going to make things so much easier :)

kiariclois

10-05-2008, 08:58 PM

I gave this episode a 5. Not too good, and not too bad.

I really hate Chloe in this episode. Period. Last episode I was really excited to see her scenes and I was hoping for the same thing happen in this episode, but oh my.. she's becoming really snappy.

and I really love Tess! A real bad a$$! LOL

svtwamedfan05

10-05-2008, 09:19 PM

It was a good episode. Give it a 9

skully

10-05-2008, 11:32 PM

stenochick

10-06-2008, 05:25 AM

I reasonable enough episode for a non-Clark-centric epi. Liked the Chlark and Clois moments and Tess is developing nicely. A solid 8.

One question, on the version I have just watched (been out of town) at the 8 minute 20 second mark (when we see the overhead view of Ollie's Island), the episode jumps back to the scene that was immediately after the opening credits (Clark and Chloe taking Ollie to Isis). It then replays the same 5 minutes of so until we get to the island overhead shot then it jumps to the outside shot of the tent where Tess is tending to Ollie. I assume someone had a Tivo problem.

Did I miss anything from the overhead island shot to the tent shot?

Wow. I think you missed the entire Green Arrow origin story. The writers only devoted about two minutes to it. They showed Ollie attempting to eat some juicy multi-legged bug and then chickening out.

Then he saw a wild boar and chased it and realized he could not catch it. Then they show him sharpening stones into arrow heads. Then they show him shooting arrows into a target on a tree, and time flies, months go by, and he gets better and better at hitting the target until finally he can shoot an arrow blindfolded into the bullseye.

Then he hears people on the other side of the island but on the way, runs past the poisonous flower plant and scratches himself and passes out. That must be where you came in because the next thing he knows is he wakes up in the tent with Tess leaning over him and he has leeches on his body.

dcmarriott

10-06-2008, 07:31 AM

I could not get past the fact that Oliver spent two years stranded on a desert island and could not grow a beard, or even long hair. I found that very distracting. I think I might have enjoyed to episode more if they had invested a couple of bucks in a wig and false whiskers.

Mar-El

10-08-2008, 08:37 AM

I give it an 8.

It was better than I thought it would be. Clark is really awesome with the new wardrobe this season. The clothes make the man, as Lois said in Plastique.

I think Oliver is kind of annoying and sanctimonious sometimes with the lectures he gives Clark, but that's the nature of the character. From what I've seen in interviews with Hartley and heard from people who met him, he seems like a really approachable and down to earth guy, so kudos to him for pulling off a slightly arrogant attitude when he plays the Green Arrow.

Tess was awesome. Davis' presence seemed kind of forced.

Really, a pretty good episode all around considering I thought it would be much worse.

disciples of zod

10-08-2008, 11:28 AM

i gave it a 7.

i read the description and it said that ollie would find out more about how his parents died. i figured that in his delusion he would have flashbacks, maybe even nightmare-ish type dream things, or some clues on the island. but all he got was a piece of paper in a red envelope. and it was right at the end. that was kind of disappointing. also, i felt that davis was unnecessary in this episode. he did a good job with what little he had to work with.

tess was brilliant. i loved the "nomercy" on her car...i literally laughed out loud when i saw that. i'm growing to like her character more and more.

all in all, not a bad episode...definitely not the worst episode i've seen. but it could've been a lot better.

~H

Kevin24

10-08-2008, 04:53 PM

8 people gave this episode a 1. I understand that we all have different opinions and we all can't agree on everything but I would love to know what a good episode of Smallville is for the people who voted 1 on this one.

As much as I dislike something I have never in my life seen a movie/tv show worthy of such a low rating.

magoo

10-10-2008, 05:29 AM

Just a filler episode of course, nice to see a bit of why O.Q. became Green Arrow. Mercer was looking hot and nice to see some Chloevage again :D

KalEltheBoyscout

10-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Gave it an 8. Exceeded my expectations for just another filler. It was pretty darn good.
However, after watching "Instinct," "Toxic" for me is the weakest (but still good) episode of season 8.

DreadShamus

10-16-2008, 10:41 AM

9. This season is carrying on much better than the last few. I hope this keeps up.

Krypton935

10-16-2008, 04:39 PM

10 this ep was amazing i loved the backstory of ollie it was way better than the webisodes!

tibbit78

12-11-2008, 05:51 PM

It wasn't my favorite episode, because there were too much Oliver & Tess scenes. I was hoping for more Lois & Clark scenes. I liked having Justin Hartley in it, though. I have seen better Smallville episodes than this one. I miss not having Jimmy Olsen in it.

Jedimaster_TTBaby

12-11-2008, 06:02 PM

It was ok...gave us a lot of background Info about Oliver and Tess. I gave it a 6/10.

blackcelebration

03-29-2009, 09:16 AM

After the first two impressive episodes, we get a badly told Green Arrow origin story!

3/10

LJ-90

06-12-2009, 07:24 PM

RaniaLovesClois

06-16-2009, 04:51 AM

It was nice. I gave it an 8.

SGuthrie27

06-16-2009, 08:57 AM

I found this episode to be fairly enjoyable. The A plot was actually really interesting for me. I enjoyed learning more about Oliver's past, as well as seeing his connection to Tess. The two of them had absolutely fantastic chemistry in this episode, and I especially loved seeing a much more vulnerable and caring side to Tess, which really made me like her character and accept her much more readily as an interesting cast member. Chloe's growing acceptance of her Brainiac powers served to make me more curious as to what would happen with her down the road. Pretty nice overall.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

lilysharabi

06-17-2009, 11:14 AM

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I liked a lot, but attention to this detail ...!: Tess seems to worry about Oliver, when Clark asks her help (and she can not get the antidote), but ... why doesn´t she tell Clark that he must seek leeches to cure Oliver? (as she did in the past) ... I think he was worried only in appearance, but she really didn´t mind if he died .

9-SOSIHTWB

07-29-2009, 08:25 AM

I gave it a 3!
It was really bad!
I think a 3 is the lowest I've given an episode so far so congratulations TOXIC!

FanofTom

10-15-2009, 11:01 AM

7
It's not my top episode but I still enjoyed it.
Still I'm slightly worried about Tess discovering how fast Clark got the antidote to Oliver. How can she not find out ?

Nimkong

03-05-2010, 02:26 PM

This episode is ok the last 2 were better.Liked how they showed olivers past and how he turned dark.But the plot was weak

TessIsNotAVillan

09-03-2010, 12:10 AM

I loved this episode, it has made me love the couple Tollie <3

ck123

01-25-2011, 05:43 AM

to be honest and i dont know if i already reply but not so good to be honest

Detorio

05-09-2011, 09:19 PM

I spose it was an okay episode, could have slowed it down a bit more and even fleshed out Green Arrow's origins a bit more but not bad. 6.5/10

Raistlin

10-10-2011, 01:30 PM

This episode was okay. It was nice seeing the origin of the green arrow

Yep.

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A final note about Clark this episode. Yay, he's running around saving the day. Boo-hiss he's a doormat. Several harsh comments from Chloe at the party(is this herself or are her new abilities affecting her?), Chloe shutting him down on the effect Brainiac has had on her (Clark really should have at least said "I'll accept that for now, but we need to talk after we take care of Oliver", the usual Lois abuse (why would he possibly accept finishing a kitten story?), he apparently watches the videotape alot (cringe. I would love him to say he's thought about Lana alot, but watching the video tape again --- with Hagen Daaz?), and finally Ollie's tirade where he calls Superman a coward. I know the point of the tirade was a foreshadowing anvil, but Clark has already had "his island". The Phantom Zone, the pop-sicle, the Russian work camp. It may have not had "mosquitoes!" but it served the same purpose. And, since Ollie is apparently completely witting of Clark being an alien, he should know what Clark has been through. I really need a transcript of that offscreenville reveal to Ollie... Bottom line: Clark should not be the doormat, he should be the star.

Agree about the Lois abuse. When did snark=cute? Disagree about the Lana mention cringe. Continuity. Lana is gone, but she was a huge part of Clark's life for 7 years. Disavowing that would be as odd as not mentioning Kara or wondering what the hell happened to her. Ollie was dead on when he told Clark that he wasn't fearless and he was afraid to trust his friends. You'd think after a solid 6 good years of that, and seeing how well that worked for him, he'd try something different. Disagree that Clark is a doormat. Clark might be slow on the uptake, A LOT, but he's still the star. :D