Discussion - Angela Petrelli's BIG Secret or "Secret's"

[Alexander III]

R u [Mod Edit] kidding me???????????

[Rosa76]

I knew it !!:p

[getkuhl]

yeah that is really strange, she is a nut job though she could just be trying to get in his head.

[dru-zod2501]

I won't believe she meant that literally, not until there's more proof; that's just wrong if it's true

[kp1984]

It kind of make sense I guess. I kind of thought Sylar look like Nathan at times. In the future Sylar did tell Peter it's brother against brother. I did not see that one coming. Wonder if she gaved Sylar up for adoption?

[warriorrenegade]

I believe she meant figuritively not literrally. Sylar in a way is looking for mommys love. To say he's special..etc.. And Mama P. is playin him. Same way she manipulates Nathan and Peter.

[dru-zod2501]

how many guys did mrs. Petrelli make it with anyway? jeez thats nasty

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next thing you know they'll make her the mother of all the mutants, like Ultimate Wolverine

[warriorrenegade]

Why does enjoying sex make one "nasty"? She got around..had some fun, broke a few hearts and crushed alot of dreams.. Who am I too judge? LOL. Do your thang girl.

[Ginx]

I'm on the fence - it wouldn't be that hard for Ma Petrelli to talk Sylar into her being his mom - real or not. We'll have to see how it pans out..... at the same time.... lol.... wow... if it's true then Ma Petrelli is really f'd up and her kids are just going insane.......

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gives another layer of ewwwwww to Claire's adoptive mom thinking Sylar took advantage of her .... ewww.......

[taolbi]

well if she's willing to give claire to another family, why not sylar?

And I speculate she had a hand in Claire's adoption because she is apart of the Company

[Patient101]

Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli must have just been frisky as rabbits and just put everyone up for adoption. I mean that was her first inclination when claire was born so it makes sense.

[Lex'sLover]

ya!!! IIII know! I was like :eek: wtf! I was so excited I almost jumped out of my seat! but Im not sure if it was meant to be literal or what.. and if it was... if she was just being manipulative, or she was telling the truth. What makes me think she was maybe telling the truth.. is that... his parents had no powers.. and everyone elses seems to so.. it would just make sense.. but at the same time... SYLAR!!!! being her SON! Thats just alot to wrap the head around. But it would be so cool at the same time! Either way.. I'm very excited to see how this all plays out... Its bound to be one interesting roller coaster ride.

[nicmar]

everyone seems related in some way at this point I woulddn't be suprised to learn Claire is Kensi's decendent. it's almost like Lost that way were they almost force connections on people

[ChronX4]

Maybe she just has the power of suggestion?

[Mischael12]

That seems to be the better proposal and possibility. The way his eyes just glazed over points to that.

[warriorrenegade]

I believe the "glazed over" appearance could be explained by the drugs being pumped into his system keeping him sedated.

[Mischael12]

the timing is off though, unless if they happened to kick in right when she is touching his face and saying those things too him. Plus the little sounds in the background as well.

[warriorrenegade]

Now he did have a tear rolling down the side of his head/cheek. Maybe she put a "motherly" thought into his head. But came to his senses and called her on it. You know? I think that makes sense LOL.

[Mischael12]

Lol, who knows. Didn't they say there were going to reveal the older generations powers this season? Maybe this is it.

However I"m not liking how some powers are sorta being rehashed around.

[Who]

Well his powers to Peter's are similar. I'm just guessing she is playing head games with him though.

[spicyblark]

It's a good twist, not a bad idea.

[dimefan90]

we were told what angelas power was.

[Kardiac]

Angela has at least one mental power is similar to Matt's power, as is seen in Season Two when she tells Matt to get out of her head. Her precognitive dreams are how her power started, but she gained more aspects over time. I'm with the folks who don't think she's Sylar's birth mother... I think she was just using her power to "rewrite" his brain into believing what she wanted him to believe so she could control him.

That way he can break her control later and become a hard-core villain again.

[gameface25]

They didn't mean it literally, just metaphorically...

i.e. She was gonna take care of him from now on, teach him, nurture him, etc...

Just like in the preview of season 3 we saw on the countdown show, where she "feeds" a female with the power to know where someone has been to him

[Ginx]

Now he did have a tear rolling down the side of his head/cheek. Maybe she put a "motherly" thought into his head. But came to his senses and called her on it. You know? I think that makes sense LOL.

I think it's as simple as that Sylar WANTS a mother. He killed his other one lol... but he never really felt like he belonged to her. And now - this cool evil mom has come along and he's excited - he feels like he fits all of a sudden - a mom that embraces his gifts and encourages him. I think it's just a mama's boy issue.

Ma Petrelli has the power of dreaming the future - no other powers. She's just a good liar is all.....

And - think about this. Ma Petrelli saw that vision of the dark future. She saw Sylar there so she knows that she has to gain some kinda control so she has a chance of surviving. Maybe she's playing Sylar so that she can try to control the future a bit so Sylar doesn't run off to join the bad guys. Or maybe...Ma Petrelli is the big bad guy and Kensei and the rest were following her orders in the future..... so much to think about - my head hurts.

[JustForSpite]

I think she really is his mother. Of her three sons, she gave him up for adoption. Why? Maybe her dreams told him he had to be brought up a certain way, outsde of her own influence. The company, for all their big talk, still never just beheaded him and went on their way. They always kept him alive, perhaps at her insistance. She has a way of cultivating things for the long run, like chess pieces. Same as Linderman and the way he orchastrated relationships just to produce certain children. Did she see Gabriel's power as to invasive? Did he have to be removed from the family? Would it have been too tempting for him, growing up around a brother like Nathan and Peter, to -not- cut them open and see how they worked?

Maybe she did it all really to protect Peter in the end. Sylar wouldn't have to kill anyone for powers if he got Peter's ability. There seems to be a lot of resentment in the relationship between Peter and his mother and perhaps that's a leftover of that. Gabriel seems to be the kind of son she would want and like; she tried to hone Nathan in that way and she pretty much gave up all hope that Peter would be the same.

[Mischael12]

She might very well be though...I mean maybe that's why Sylars mom was always pushing him, because she knew that he wasn't her son, and he would be capable of something greater, as well as why she acted so harshly too his powers, i don't think a mother would act like that to their own child.

[ginnyfan]

Well his powers to Peter's are similar. I'm just guessing she is playing head games with him though.

I've always thought that Sylar and Peter had similar powers. I wondered if Sylar having to look at the brain (originally I thought he ate them) was just a psychological quirk. A Block to his empath powers. Anyway...

Angela as Sylar's mother is a nice twist. Considering that a lot of who he is comes from his relationship with is... possibly adoptive mother... I'm curious to see what develops. Whether or not Angela is his mother... let the head games begin! *evil laughter*

[Sweetie]

Funny,I was expecting her to be Hiro's mother.After all,she had an affair with his dad in the past.Who knows may be she is ;)

[ginnyfan]

^REALLY!? Wow! :D

That's interesting. LOL!

[The Ninth Doctor]

I think it's as simple as that Sylar WANTS a mother. He killed his other one lol... but he never really felt like he belonged to her. And now - this cool evil mom has come along and he's excited - he feels like he fits all of a sudden - a mom that embraces his gifts and encourages him. I think it's just a mama's boy issue.

Ma Petrelli has the power of dreaming the future - no other powers. She's just a good liar is all.....

And - think about this. Ma Petrelli saw that vision of the dark future. She saw Sylar there so she knows that she has to gain some kinda control so she has a chance of surviving. Maybe she's playing Sylar so that she can try to control the future a bit so Sylar doesn't run off to join the bad guys. Or maybe...Ma Petrelli is the big bad guy and Kensei and the rest were following her orders in the future..... so much to think about - my head hurts.

Given the scene in the premiere party, it seemed really obvious to me that she was being metaphorical, and was taking on a twistedly motherly role towards Sylar for the time being, to make sure that either a. the dream never came about or b. if it did come about, the one man on her side would be more than capable of taking out the real Villains.

[RobMcC]

How was it obvious it could be either we will just have to wait and find out.

[The Ninth Doctor]

I didn't say it was obvious, I said at the time I was viewing it seemed obvious to me-

Firstly because given the preview scene at the premeire party the metaphor works perfectly

Secondly because soap operesque parental reveals have already been done to death on this show and I can't see the writers taking that route yet again, especially since Sylar being Peter's brother is the simplest, most obvious reveal they could do on the show.

Thirdly becuase it would remove the massive impact of S1, where he kills his own mother and gives into his new nature and moral code because of it.

[getkuhl]

i dont think the fact that sylar and peter having similar powers makes it a link to them being brothers. ALOT of heroes share similar powers, but they are in no way related...
and alot of related heroes dont have the same power at all.

it is going to take more than that for me to think she is meaning "mother" in a literal sense.

[iluvSmallvilleandi'm24]

Power of suggestion was my first thought too, given sylars reaction...

[Lex'sLover]

I think it's as simple as that Sylar WANTS a mother. He killed his other one lol... but he never really felt like he belonged to her. And now - this cool evil mom has come along and he's excited - he feels like he fits all of a sudden - a mom that embraces his gifts and encourages him. I think it's just a mama's boy issue.

Ma Petrelli has the power of dreaming the future - no other powers. She's just a good liar is all.....

And - think about this. Ma Petrelli saw that vision of the dark future. She saw Sylar there so she knows that she has to gain some kinda control so she has a chance of surviving. Maybe she's playing Sylar so that she can try to control the future a bit so Sylar doesn't run off to join the bad guys. Or maybe...Ma Petrelli is the big bad guy and Kensei and the rest were following her orders in the future..... so much to think about - my head hurts.

See .. the whole mom issue with the needing that acceptance and her willing to give it to him is what i was thinking. That idea of Control too.. very good.. that definately could be it, because I wouldnt be suprised if in the future, Sylar was the ringleader. OOOH! That is an awesome theory Ginx... with Ms.Petrelli being the true evil leader... wouldnt that just open up a whole new can of warms! I love that idea! And Sylar can be like the evil son she never had.. lol. Use his power to her advantage... kind of like a "What ever you say mother"

[STFanatic]

In her future vision where Peter, Claire, Parkman and so on were dead, and she was facing Parkman's dad, Nikki/Tracy (or whoever), Sylar came up behind her and looked (to me) like he was going to defend her.

[muggsy04]

Angela has at least one mental power is similar to Matt's power, as is seen in Season Two when she tells Matt to get out of her head. Her precognitive dreams are how her power started, but she gained more aspects over time.

It never says that her powers are like Matt's or that her powers have further developed. Shes part of the company shes just "thinking out loud" because she knows Matts power. She knew his dad too and the powers that he had (the same power).

One flaw with the idea of Angella having the power of suggestion is weve never seen her use it on anyone in a situation where it would be useful. ie. Use it to stop Nathan flying out the window to get Peter out of New York.

[iluvSmallvilleandi'm24]

Na i reckon she doesnt interfere where she sees a future that she wants... with for example not stopping Nathan from jumping out the window, she may have had a dream that the future was better if that happened. who knows.

But i must say, Sylar becoming the protector is soo kewl... he's a badass villan, but as a good guy wow!

[STFanatic]

Then again, she "talked" Nathan's wife into leaving him, so I still think the power of suggestion could be there.

That is one of the questions my wife asked after the episode(s) aired.

[jimmyolsenblues]

angela petrelli is going to be a great bad guy playing both ends. i love it.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Could he and Peter be twins?

They have the same powers.

[Kardiac]

It never says that her powers are like Matt's or that her powers have further developed.

I never said she had the same powers, I said "similar". Meaning mentally-based powers. It's quite possible that if she does have the power to change someone's mind in some way, it's not instantaneous and requires a kind of "pyschic surgery".

She does say to Peter that her powers "started" as dreams, meaning that they're more than just dreams now. It's possible she has the same powers as Peter or, more likely, her powers are also "empathic" in nature as opposed to "telepathic."

I really don't think the writers would go the Angela is Sylar's mother route long term for any number of reasons that have expressed in this thread already... it's been done, it weakens previous characterization and story, and it creates yet-another Sci-Fi brother-vs-brother story. If Sylar really is her son, the writers are water-skiing perilously close to the shark-ramp.

[citizenlen]

The brother vs brother is already locked. That's Nathan vs. Peter.Ma P is just using Sylar as one of her henchman, she knows he's a mama's boy like her sons and she can feed on his weakness.

[Lex'sLover]

But i must say, Sylar becoming the protector is soo kewl... he's a badass villan, but as a good guy wow!

I knooooooow! I'm sooo excited! you know there is going to be drama.. because.. well.. Sylar killed so many people that the Heroes care about.. and now they have to work with him... definate drama.. and I'm sure Sylar is going to love it. Its kind of nerve racking though cause.. what if Sylar goes after their powers? Maybe he wont.. all he really wanted was Claires power.. because then he is pretty much invinsible. But Sylar trying to resist Peters powers... that will be interesting.

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The brother vs brother is already locked. That's Nathan vs. Peter.Ma P is just using Sylar as one of her henchman, she knows he's a mama's boy like her sons and she can feed on his weakness.

exactly

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Its kind of interesting though.. the world destroyer helping to save it.

[The Ninth Doctor]

Then again, she "talked" Nathan's wife into leaving him, so I still think the power of suggestion could be there.

That is one of the questions my wife asked after the episode(s) aired.
Yeah, they'd built up her to be an empathic persuader so well, and laid the foundations at the end of Season 1 for Deavaux to be the dreamer, so Angela being the source of the dreams was a not so fun Jossing.


I hope they can somehow still give her the empathy without it being too far fetched.




Could he and Peter be twins?

They have the same powers.
No, they do not. At all.

[darkphoenix21]

I did some digging on Slyar being a Petrelli. I found out that there will be two Petrelli relatives that Peter & Nathan don't know about. This first will be revealed early on this season; So Slyar being one of the Petrelliis is very possible and the second will be revealed later on in the season.

[The Ninth Doctor]

EDIT: Thank you for adding spoiler tags. Sorry for the sarcasm before.

[muggsy04]

I don't believe for a second that theres a chance of Sylar being a "good guy" even while hes working for the company and that probably exactly what Angella wants. She'll send him after someone knowning that hes gonna kill them take their power and come home stronger. A lot of people could be in trouble when he decides to stop playing agent.

[bobsuncorp]

I really really don't want Sylar to be a Petrelli, not because of the whole Star Wars cliche, but because it seems that every single time someone has powers its because they are related to the bleeding Petrelli's.

First we had Peter.
Then we thought it was Nathan.
Then it was both Nathan and Peter.
Then it turns out that Claire is Nathans daughter.
Then we find out that Ma Petrelli has a power too.
Now it seems that Sylar is another empowered Petrelli.

I am fully expecting to find out that Peter and or Nathan's father (I'd go for Nathans if I had to choose given the latest set of visions) and maybe even Sylar's father was in fact: Linderman.

[STFanatic]

I saw a promo for next week where Sylar asks her "Are you really my mother?"

This looks intresting :D