That was it?!! You must be kidding

[chrisk2]

The irony of smallville for years was that it could be a show with much higher ratings if they stuck to the family/moral dynamic and got Clark's rear end up in the sky. Instead, the writers and producers make it the equivalent of a weekly "c---tease" by offering plots that barely progress over a season, needlessly sex it up, dumb down the main hero protagonist to an astonishing level, screw up the influence of Jor-el (as much a moral influence on Clark as the Kents who gave up his life for his son) and make it a show that I maybe only watch half the episodes now.
Man, I could do this show much better, even on a smaller budget

[Minela]

Oh, I'd love to hear your proposal. Please enlighten us. :rolleyes:

[chrisk2]

1. Flight, like right now.

2. Reconcile Clark with Jor-el to re-establish a sound moral influence.

3. Emphasize the moral dilemmas he would face such as not being able to be everywhere at once, recognizing the limitations of his abilities.

4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly

5. Bring back Ma and Pa Kent.

Just reboot baby and watch the ratings go up.

[Shadow116]

Exactly, besides just reboot the characters of Clark, Lana, and Lois, who were ruined by this series.

Besides Jonathan hasn't died in anything else except some other universes in comics, the Chris Reeve movies, and this...

Just had to blow off some more steam, honestly I just watch this show for laughs now and how unSupermanly they can make this loser who thinks he's Clark Kent.

[Smalvil1]

The irony of smallville for years was that it could be a show with much higher ratings if they stuck to the family/moral dynamic and got Clark's rear end up in the sky. Instead, the writers and producers make it the equivalent of a weekly "c---tease" by offering plots that barely progress over a season, needlessly sex it up, dumb down the main hero protagonist to an astonishing level, screw up the influence of Jor-el (as much a moral influence on Clark as the Kents who gave up his life for his son) and make it a show that I maybe only watch half the episodes now.
Man, I could do this show much better, even on a smaller budget

is this your reaction to odessy, because it seems a little... late. If you wanted to complain about the not flying and losing the family and clark being a little baby, the most oppoutune time would have been season 7 where clark did nothing but whine about lana, the kents were gone, and clark passed up the oppourtunity on flight.

Instead you wait until an episode where 1. clark grew some balls and saved chloe without powers and did not whine and took positive steps in his heroic life, 2. He couldnt possibly fly because he lost his powers.

While i agree that clark have flown in season 7 and that martha leaving sucked (although it wasnt the writers fault the actress wanted out) and that season 6-7 clark was very dumb, thats all in the past. focus on how great season 8 is sounding.

[Conner Kent]

I agree that this topic may have been a little late. Clark is finally taking his first steps, which should have happened a while ago. It seems that with Al and Miles out of the picture, the new heads are thinking in the right direction. Not saying Al and Miles didn't do it right, but they stuck to that "No Flights" thing a little too long. I mean, if I were Clark and found out that my body flew when I thought I was Kal-El, I wouldn't have stopped til I could figure that out. Who doesn't want to fly???

[yoxodo]

1. Flight, like right now.

2. Reconcile Clark with Jor-el to re-establish a sound moral influence.

3. Emphasize the moral dilemmas he would face such as not being able to be everywhere at once, recognizing the limitations of his abilities.

4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly

5. Bring back Ma and Pa Kent.

Just reboot baby and watch the ratings go up.
6. Clark and Chloe get married. Lois goes to work for the Inquisitor

[kal-el_Girl]

I personally loved this eppy, I was so tired of the whole lana thing and clark not moving on to his destiny as a mild manner reporter.... and then this eppy comes along and that's it!!! I'm just going to forget that the whole entire seven season even exist.!!

[Hopefulsuicide]

is this your reaction to odessy, because it seems a little... late.

in fairness, they are a new poster... how could they have said it sooner :lol:

[stenochick]

Actually Chrisk2 has been around since Oct of 2003.
I agree with him, but after seven seasons, I don't think they can go back to the original show. Johnathon is dead. Lionel is dead. MR and AOT do not want to be on the show, so Lex and Martha are out.

I agree that the show needs a moral center and it could be achieved through the relationship with Clark and Jor-el, and even Martian Manhunter. I also agree that Clark needs to ponder all the moral dilemmas that come with having the powers of a god among humans. And, flight would be a good thing, too.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Actually Chrisk2 has been around since Oct of 2003.

okay now i feel silly for not checking... :\ ... hey, i'm oct 03 as well!!!!

[Smallville6]

I personally loved Odyssey! It's setting up a great season, much better then last year!

[msleggie]

^^I agree I thought this season premiere was a step up from some of the other ones. And I have my fingers crossed that Clark really would step up to the plate and embrace his destiny, I hope it's not all talk

[ForzaItalia]

Man, I could do this show much better, even on a smaller budget

I agree. I mean, I'll still give these new producers a chance (maybe 3 or 4 more episodes to prove themselves). But judging it by the premiere, I could do better as a producer myself. Some elements I'd focus on:

1. Show Clark learning to fly.

2. Bring back Martha Kent. Have more of Clark learning good morals from a Kent parent.

3. Introduce Ben Hubbard. Let Clark learn good morals from him too.

4. Show the beginnings of the Superman costume being made (even if Clark is not wearing it yet).

5. Have villains who are interesting characters themselves (Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Bizarro, Zod), not Tess who is just 100% in Lex’s shadow, even though we don’t actually see Lex.

6. Have Clark begin putting on glasses as a disguise.

7. Have Clark studying journalism (yes, I’d have his journalism skills be something that develops slowly over time before he works at the Daily Planet - not something that pops up over night).

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I personally loved Odyssey! It's setting up a great season, much better then last year!

I can't believe how much two fans can disagree.... I thought by Season 6 things were really running dry. But then for Season 7 Kara gave the show new life which it made it fun and exciting all over again (even though she didn't belong in the story yet, according to tradition). But Season 8 Kara is gone and it looks like it's going to be repetitive of things we've alreasy seen, dragged out, over the top, and just overall getting more and more stupid - by far the worst season yet.

[Radioflyer]

The irony of smallville for years was that it could be a show with much higher ratings if they stuck to the family/moral dynamic and got Clark's rear end up in the sky. Instead, the writers and producers make it the equivalent of a weekly "c---tease" by offering plots that barely progress over a season, needlessly sex it up, dumb down the main hero protagonist to an astonishing level, screw up the influence of Jor-el (as much a moral influence on Clark as the Kents who gave up his life for his son) and make it a show that I maybe only watch half the episodes now.
Man, I could do this show much better, even on a smaller budget I do agree that Jor-El is not like himself when he was all "Rule them with strength."

[ForzaItalia]

1. Flight, like right now.

2. Reconcile Clark with Jor-el to re-establish a sound moral influence.

3. Emphasize the moral dilemmas he would face such as not being able to be everywhere at once, recognizing the limitations of his abilities.

4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly

5. Bring back Ma and Pa Kent.

Just reboot baby and watch the ratings go up.


Aside from brining back Jonathan Kent, I agree with everything you said.... Although killing off Jonathan was probably the show's biggest mistake ever, it's done. Too late to un-do now.

[Sweetie]

I think that new producers are trying to fix the mess that Al/Gough the best they can.Those guys made a complet mess with that show.What exactly did they want to accomplish by creating a CK's character that looks like a complet idiot and a looser all the time.I can understand the no tight but,the flight should have happened at least in season 4,he flew in the premiere,why can't he give it a try,only once just to see that he is willing to make an effort.CK's parents and Lionel are gone.They can only appear a dream sequence or in AU's episode.

[SnowBird]

I think that new producers are trying to fix the mess that Al/Gough the best they can.Those guys made a complet mess with that show.What exactly did they want to accomplish by creating a CK's character that looks like a complet idiot and a looser all the time.I can understand the no tight but,the flight should have happened at least in season 4,he flew in the premiere,why can't he give it a try,only once just to see that he is willing to make an effort.CK's parents and Lionel are gone.They can only appear a dream sequence or in AU's episode.

I think expectation is good. For example. When a couple like Clark and Lois are getting to know each other and falling in love we are attentive viewers. When they finally do get together, the excitment is gone and viewers get bored and ratings go down. Same with Clark flying. We are all waiting for that big day and viewers keep watching. When Clark finally flies, the excitment and expectation is gone and there may be a drop in ratings after the big day. Producers want to keep people waiting and expecting so they will stay tuning in for the big day. I think it is going to be awhile before we see Clark fly just for those reasons. Besides it gives people something to complain about.

[TOMophilus]

I agree that the show needs a moral center and it could be achieved through the relationship with Clark and Jor-el, ...
Are you serious? In my view, the Jor-El as portrayed on SV is clearly an abusive father and a moral monster. I admit though that his portrayal was inconsistent, as he had a few nice moments. Overall, however, he is a despicable figure.

[Sweetie]

I think expectation is good. For example. When a couple like Clark and Lois are getting to know each other and falling in love we are attentive viewers. When they finally do get together, the excitment is gone and viewers get bored and ratings go down. Same with Clark flying. We are all waiting for that big day and viewers keep watching. When Clark finally flies, the excitment and expectation is gone and there may be a drop in ratings after the big day. Producers want to keep people waiting and expecting so they will stay tuning in for the big day. I think it is going to be awhile before we see Clark fly just for those reasons. Besides it gives people something to complain about.


I don't want CK & Lois to fall for each other already.I liked the sexual tention,the teasing & flirtations that's how they are going to be in the future.So,why changed this good formula?But,I would have liked to see CK just try to fly not be perfect at first like Spiderman.Look when Kara wanted to teach him,he didn't even want to try.He could have taking him some time to completly acheave it like in the last episode of the finale.It could added a touch of humour to the character too.

[Estro-gen X]

Besides Jonathan hasn't died in anything else except some other universes in comics, the Chris Reeve movies, and this...


there are rumours that he will meet his end soon in Action comics there is the cover with Clark and pa drinking a beer and the next issue is superman seemingly at a funeral

[Tatiana]

Oh, I'd love to hear your proposal. Please enlighten us. :rolleyes:


Ya me too, it is easy to critize when you are not in someone's place. I don't see nothing wrong with "sexing" it up as you put it. They do it in a classy, funny, sexy way unlike shows like Gossip girl

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1. Flight, like right now.

2. Reconcile Clark with Jor-el to re-establish a sound moral influence.

3. Emphasize the moral dilemmas he would face such as not being able to be everywhere at once, recognizing the limitations of his abilities.

4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly

5. Bring back Ma and Pa Kent.

Just reboot baby and watch the ratings go up.


That sounds more like watching a cartoon, especially bringing a new villain almost every episode. I don't think these shows work that way, I have never seen a show that does that, neither Smallville nor Heroes, or any other show, except for maybe Law and Order, or CSI but that's because the characters are about finding new "villains"

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Exactly, besides just reboot the characters of Clark, Lana, and Lois, who were ruined by this series.

Besides Jonathan hasn't died in anything else except some other universes in comics, the Chris Reeve movies, and this...

Just had to blow off some more steam, honestly I just watch this show for laughs now and how unSupermanly they can make this loser who thinks he's Clark Kent.


Well you still watch it though, even if it is for a different reason that most fans, it obviously still has something that makes you tune in every Thursday at 8 pm and that's what matters hehe.

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I agree. I mean, I'll still give these new producers a chance (maybe 3 or 4 more episodes to prove themselves). But judging it by the premiere, I could do better as a producer myself. Some elements I'd focus on:

1. Show Clark learning to fly.

2. Bring back Martha Kent. Have more of Clark learning good morals from a Kent parent.

3. Introduce Ben Hubbard. Let Clark learn good morals from him too.

4. Show the beginnings of the Superman costume being made (even if Clark is not wearing it yet).

5. Have villains who are interesting characters themselves (Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Bizarro, Zod), not Tess who is just 100% in Lex’s shadow, even though we don’t actually see Lex.

6. Have Clark begin putting on glasses as a disguise.

7. Have Clark studying journalism (yes, I’d have his journalism skills be something that develops slowly over time before he works at the Daily Planet - not something that pops up over night).

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I can't believe how much two fans can disagree.... I thought by Season 6 things were really running dry. But then for Season 7 Kara gave the show new life which it made it fun and exciting all over again (even though she didn't belong in the story yet, according to tradition). But Season 8 Kara is gone and it looks like it's going to be repetitive of things we've alreasy seen, dragged out, over the top, and just overall getting more and more stupid - by far the worst season yet.



I don't want to state a judgment on Tess' character yet because I only saw a little of her, with Kara I hated her the first episode she was in, and by the end I loved her, so I don't know how I will feel with Tess and I think we should give it a chance. I remember when I started watching Smallville, I hated the idea of having Lex and same thing happened when I heard about Lois, in the end I loved both characters. I am going to give it a chance to the season, so far I love it. About fans disagreeing, yet we do quite often but we still watch the show, we all have different seasons as favorites, but overall we all love Smallville, if not you wouldn't be watching :)

[migo]

1. Flight, like right now.

I agree, they dragged Clark & Lana way too long too, a hand off at Season 5, with Lana gone/evil and Clark flying would have been perfect.



2. Reconcile Clark with Jor-el to re-establish a sound moral influence.

Also agree, that has also been getting old. Jor El must be getting pretty frustrated with Clark ignoring him all the time.



3. Emphasize the moral dilemmas he would face such as not being able to be everywhere at once, recognizing the limitations of his abilities.

Definitely interesting point, not sure how that would play out.



4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly

Yeah, seems like we're back to freak of the week.



5. Bring back Ma and Pa Kent.

Uh... Jonathan's dead.

[The Krypton Knight]

4. Definitely do 2-3 episode plot arcs dealing with one villain or challenge at a time. Season long arcs do not pay off the audience and are boring pretty quickly


Definitely agree with this. Zod and Brainiac, and even Bizarro to a lesser extent certainly didn't pay off. If they had done 1, 2 or even all 3, in 3-4 episode arcs, it would have been much better, IMO.

Don't care much for reboots in general though, just learning from past mistakes would be enough for me.