View Full Version : Did Tom look happy?
unfocused
09-18-2008, 08:25 PM
I noticed at the end of his Daily Planet scene with Lois, as he walked away, he smiled this amazing smile.
Tom Welling actually looked happy to be playing Clark Kent! I don't mean acting happy, I mean he looked as though he was finally happy about how the new producers are leading the show. He looked as though he liked the character he was embodying. He looked as though he was actually enjoying himself for a change.
I hope he is. He deserves this. I haven't seen such an awesome smile on Tom's/Clark's face in such a long time. I think he is ready to end Smallville on a great note. I think he really likes where this show is being headed.
Tebow15
09-18-2008, 08:27 PM
I think he really looked happy too. I loved THE SMILE!
xrayvision
09-18-2008, 08:30 PM
About damn time. Four full seasons passed by since he was last really happy (which I would say was before Pete left in Forsaken).
you_smell_terrific
09-18-2008, 08:31 PM
I completely agree. I really have a positive feeling on this season. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just pretending season 7 barely happened LOL!! If season 8 continues to be as awesome as it is already and sounds, I'll be one very happy camper.
And hopefully Tom will be too :D
Smallville6
09-18-2008, 08:31 PM
I think he's a lot happier with the direction now. And who could blame him?
s3dsmv
09-18-2008, 08:34 PM
so far so good
6-Super-Man -5
09-18-2008, 08:34 PM
Yeah, I think he is a lot happier because his character has become more funnier?
Anyways I think if he is that happy, then there is a chance he could sign on for a ninth season. :D
xaosthry
09-18-2008, 08:39 PM
I completely agree. I really have a positive feeling on this season. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just pretending season 7 barely happened LOL!! If season 8 continues to be as awesome as it is already and sounds, I'll be one very happy camper.
And hopefully Tom will be too :D
I am completely with you on that one. As far as I am concerned last year was a bad bad dream.
Can't wait for the Clark/Lois banter, as we have had a little taste of it this episode. In previous seasons it was her having to cheer him up cuz of Lana (blaaa). There was this..that...thing between Lois and Clark is back. Lovin it.
Can't wait for Daily Planet reporter Clark Kent.
(all we need now is Perry)
paolinki25
09-18-2008, 08:42 PM
I agree. I think Tom looked relaxed and just content throughout the scenes. A HUGE difference between this episode and last season.
cousteau
09-18-2008, 08:44 PM
yeah, it actually looked like he wanted to be there. a good sign.
origin
09-18-2008, 08:48 PM
He looked very happy, and I have not seen Clark look so happy in what feels like years.
kimmiss
09-18-2008, 08:54 PM
I want a poster of that smile. It was genuine and SEXY!
Skybound
09-18-2008, 08:54 PM
Um......... do you guys think this is because of that scandals message were Al, and Miles didn't say thank you to the actors, and they were pissed at Tom for some reason? Now their gone and he looks happy, good for him.
LovelyLoisLane
09-18-2008, 09:01 PM
I'm going to coin that the 'DP Smile'
Loved it.
The Planet puts a pic of Clark smiling like that on his stories and we'll know why The Planet is getting new readers. ;)
~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
09-18-2008, 09:03 PM
I'd be happy too if my character finally had some major progression and was starting to move towards being in an ADULT relationship with a WOMAN ;)
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:04 PM
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The Planet puts a pic of Clark smiling like that on his stories and we'll know why The Planet is getting new readers. ;) lol nice one
I'd like a youtube clip of that scene.
Ilovebeinglost
09-18-2008, 09:05 PM
I noticed at the end of his Daily Planet scene with Lois, as he walked away, he smiled this amazing smile.
Tom Welling actually looked happy to be playing Clark Kent! I don't mean acting happy, I mean he looked as though he was finally happy about how the new producers are leading the show. He looked as though he liked the character he was embodying. He looked as though he was actually enjoying himself for a change.
I hope he is. He deserves this. I haven't seen such an awesome smile on Tom's/Clark's face in such a long time. I think he is ready to end Smallville on a great note. I think he really likes where this show is being headed.
He sure looked a lot happier tonight than he did for many months last year. I think he is pleased to be moving on since they were making a shame of what superman is supposed to stand ofr and what fans have been saying for a long time.
I'm so happy they are moving up up and away. Finally!!!
kentfamily
09-18-2008, 09:33 PM
I have to agree as well. He lost a few pounds, feeling good about himself and looking better, of course he is happier! And he gets to wear different clothes this time! He also doesn't have to share the spot light with two major characters like before. I think there was major rivalry between the two main characters in the last season. With Lana being gone, he's not in the shadows anymore. He is the main character this season.
He looked soooo hot when he was working in the rain in Russia!!! YUM! Yeah!! Different clothes for a change!
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:34 PM
And his hair looks awesome when it's that wet.
6-Super-Man -5
09-18-2008, 09:37 PM
And his hair looks awesome when it's that wet.
Yeah, he looks so cool. :cool:
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:40 PM
And his hair looks awesome when it's that wet.
Yea it does!!! :o Sorry....day dreaming. :lol:
wheelman
09-18-2008, 09:40 PM
I felt a renewed sense of fresh energy coming from Tom...especially the Russia Scenes.
He had this passion that I had not seen in awhile
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Yeah, he looks so cool. :cool:
Cool woudlnt have been the word I chose..."Hot, sexy, dead sexy, freaking hot, gorgeous" any of those would do....take your pick! :p
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:41 PM
Yea it does!!! :o Sorry....day dreaming. :lol:
Lol, I understand.
French Maid Lois.... mmmm
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:41 PM
I felt a renewed sense of fresh energy coming from Tom...especially the Russia Scenes.
He had this passion that I had not seen in awhile
I agree, he really seemed to be enjoying himself.
Especially with Lois...he was almost giddy. :lol:
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:43 PM
I agree, he really seemed to be enjoying himself.
Especially with Lois...he was almost giddy. :lol:
That's because Tom knows he's gonna be gettin some of that french maid action this season. Lucky guy.
individuall
09-18-2008, 09:43 PM
Cool woudlnt have been the word I chose..."Hot, sexy, dead sexy, freaking hot, gorgeous" any of those would do....take your pick! :p
you forgot...Manly, ;)
I totally agree. Tom seemed to genuinely enjoy playing his character again which I, personally haven't seen for years..It's a very fresh energy, but familiar at the same time :)
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:44 PM
That's because Tom knows he's gonna be gettin some of that french maid action this season. Lucky guy.
:rotfl:. Oh yes, Im sure that was it! ;)
Jade4813
09-18-2008, 09:44 PM
He did seem to enjoy himself more this episode! It was like a breath of fresh air, and I really think it helped with my enjoyment of the episode overall!
But then, ALL of them really seemed to have new spark in them. Not that they've been doin badly, by any means. But AM really sold me on her lines with Jimmy - when I hadn't gotten that vibe from her before. ED has been so excited for the new seasons in interviews, the girl is practically about to take flight. (Hm...so many Superman jokes. So little time.) And Tom...!
I get warm fuzzies to think that this reflects the attitude on the set overall, that after 7 years - starting on year 8 - they've been given new life and new energy and are coming to the studio every day ready and eager to let this story continue.
Again, I don't think they've been DREADING working lately. But there's a difference between getting up in the morning and going to work because it's your job and you have some pleasure in doing it and in going to work because you love what you do.
It's good to see these people seem to love what they do again.
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:46 PM
you forgot...Manly, ;)
I totally agree. Tom seemed to genuinely enjoy playing his character again which I, personally haven't seen for years..It's a very fresh energy, but familiar at the same time :)
How could I have forgotten manly!?!? Thats a key describer. In his flannel...he sometimes looks childish. (dont get me wrong....a very hunky child....eww....that came out wrong, now I feel gross....but you all know what I mean!) In the rain....with that gray shirt...and his beard. Heck yea...thats all man. Why couldnt he have left the beard?? :(
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They all seemed energized...you could just feel it. It was awesome!
Meteror Freak
09-18-2008, 09:49 PM
Clark loves to tease the cynical Lois. They are both really starting to enjoy each other's presence. Lois makes serious Clark lighten up a little, and Clark makes Lois less sarcastic and more heartfelt. They both make each other happier!
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:51 PM
And Tom and Erica do a great job at it as well.
individuall
09-18-2008, 09:51 PM
How could I have forgotten manly!?!? Thats a key describer. In his flannel...he sometimes looks childish. (dont get me wrong....a very hunky child....eww....that came out wrong, now I feel gross....but you all know what I mean!) In the rain....with that gray shirt...and his beard. Heck yea...thats all man. Why couldnt he have left the beard?? :(
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They all seemed energized...you could just feel it. It was awesome!
Then we should add..Scruffy, grungy, dirty, ...
He's just very ascetically pleasing!:D;)
kimmiss
09-18-2008, 09:52 PM
I would have been happier if Tom hadn't put that dreaded red jacket back on! Curse you red jacket!
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I love his 5 O'clock shadow. I do wish they could keep it for a few episodes. Those stubble's were great and gave Clark an excellent new look. Remember how you felt when they introduced Kal's look in Exile?
I mean woooow.
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I would have been happier if Tom hadn't put that dreaded red jacket back on! Curse you red jacket!
I know!!! :lol:
They had that serious....intense music playing in the backgroud...like putting on the jacket was him excepting his destiny...and all I could think was "where's the blue button down shirt....put that on instead!! Or....whatever happend to your tan jacket...that was so nice." :rotfl:
geminis
09-18-2008, 09:56 PM
At least we have the suit to look forward to! Tom might actually be happy to have to wear a tie! I know I'm looking forward to Clark in adult dress up clothes.
unfocused
09-18-2008, 09:57 PM
I am a little tired of the red jacket, myself. But that scene was great, the jacket represented his cape and the scene played as though he was donning that cape as he was accepting his destiny to become Superman.
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 09:59 PM
I am a little tired of the red jacket, myself. But that scene was great, the jacket represented his cape and the scene played as though he was donning that cape as he was accepting his destiny to become Superman.
Thats the only reason I liked it....because it was symbolic. But the fashion part of my cringed. I just hate that stupid thing!
I agree Gemini..I cant wait for the blue button down!! :p. I think in his vogue layout Tom mentioned he liked wearing suites, and prefered it over his usual t-shirt attire on smallville. so I think he will enjoy it with the rest of us!
kal-el_Girl
09-18-2008, 10:02 PM
I have to agree as well. H elost a few pounds feeling good about himself and looking better, Of course he is happier! And he gets to wear different clothes this time! He looked soooo hot when he was working in the rain in Russia!!! YUM! Yeah!! Different clothes for a change!
I said this in a dif. thread, He does look sexy with that wet tshirt ahhh, tonight I'll dream of that scene... * daydreams*
;)
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 10:06 PM
I said this in a dif. thread, He does look sexy with that wet tshirt ahhh, tonight I'll dream of that scene... * daydreams*
;)
You arent the only one! I'm going to force my brain to think about it as I fall asleep! :rotfl:
BadToad
09-18-2008, 10:06 PM
I think Tom is ready to play a more mature, more proactive Clark. In fact, I think he's probably been ready to play the part that way for a few years now. I think he's always given the show his all, so I can't really say that he looked happier in this episode. But I do believe, as an actor, he's got to be loving the chance to really progress Clark forward. Not to mention getting the chance to play some lighter scenes, and smile and joke. I can't believe that spending more of your time on screen depressed and guiltridden can be a lot of fun.
I hope Tom has a good time this season. He deserves it.
Jade4813
09-18-2008, 10:07 PM
I would have been happier if Tom hadn't put that dreaded red jacket back on! Curse you red jacket!
It actually made me want to punch the MM in the face, that he handed it back.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
You went INTO SPACE with Clark!! You couldn't pitch the jacket while you were out there????
unfocused
09-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Lolololol ya!
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 10:09 PM
It actually made me want to punch the MM in the face, that he handed it back.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
You went INTO SPACE with Clark!! You couldn't pitch the jacket while you were out there????
:rotfl: Sadly Clark was wearing his hot Russian wardrobe when MM took him into space. It probably burned up....what a pity. :(
MM probably just handed him the jacket as a cape-ish substitute. "since you wont wear the real deal you bozo...here's your stupid jacket back."
unfocused
09-18-2008, 10:12 PM
Omg... that's funny. MM should have said something to that effect.
LuckyKrypto
09-18-2008, 10:13 PM
I thought Tom looked Great!! And he looked very happy to me. I'm sure it must be great to finally be playing Clark a bit differently. I'm so happy so far! It was a great episode I thought. :)
Jade4813
09-18-2008, 10:13 PM
:rotfl: Sadly Clark was wearing his hot Russian wardrobe when MM took him into space. It probably burned up....what a pity. :(
MM probably just handed him the jacket as a cape-ish substitute. "since you wont wear the real deal you bozo...here's your stupid jacket back."
*mutter mutter* He could have taken a quick side trip to the farm to pick it up on the way...
YES, I KNOW Clark was dying! But if Toronto is a skip and a jump from Kansas, Smallville can be a quick side trip from Minnesota! PLUS...there are priorities, and, I'm sorry, getting rid of that stupid jacket should have been at least as high up there as saving Clark's life! ;)
Meteror Freak
09-18-2008, 10:17 PM
oh, god I hated the red jacket too! I don't care if it's symbolic, how many times do we have to see the symbolism of the red cape? I was hoping the jacket was old news but they just HAD to throw it in, didn't they? Just to make us all angry.
AndiGirl
09-18-2008, 10:20 PM
*mutter mutter* He could have taken a quick side trip to the farm to pick it up on the way...
YES, I KNOW Clark was dying! But if Toronto is a skip and a jump from Kansas, Smallville can be a quick side trip from Minnesota! PLUS...there are priorities, and, I'm sorry, getting rid of that stupid jacket should have been at least as high up there as saving Clark's life! ;)
I know Jade...its ok....:rotfl:
Or atleast, MM could have hidden the jacket when he saw it...not hand it right over, heck...he could have even guilt tripped clark.
Clark: Hey, is that my jacket behind your back?
MM: I just lost my powers saving your butt.....you couldnt spare your jacket?
Clark: Well...I.....
MM: Oh no...thats fine....I have to live a normal every day life....while you live out your destiny....but an ugly red jacket is too much of a thank you, you're right.....what was I thinking?
Clark: Oh no....you.....you can keep it.
MM: *walks out snickering evily*
^^
Now, I would have paid to see that....and then MM flies it to the sun to never be seen again. ;)
clana4everfan2
09-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Tom looked really good tonight! haha Yummy lol :) He seemed more in tune with his character. But this maybe his final season of the series so he wants it to end on a good note. I can't wait to see him in a suit and to get rid of the red jean jacket. haha
SnowBird
09-18-2008, 10:37 PM
I liked it when Clark put the red jacket on as a symbol that he was ready to move towards becoming Superman in his future. I still want to see him in flannel and t-shirts on the farm. I will also be glad when he gets to wear different clothes when he is in Metropolis. I hope his new disguise will be cool.
It was good to see Tom smile. I think we will get lots of smiles when Clark is around Lois. There are probably a few reasons he looks happy and one of them may be that he gets to stretch his acting abilities more this season. He does a great job playing Clark but after 7 years, he will get to be more of a man instead of the farm boy.
unfocused
09-18-2008, 11:38 PM
Yes, Tom gets to be Superman's secret identity now. Working at the same desk as Lois, working at the Daily Planet in general, chasing/accepting his destiny, and even beginning a romantic relationship with Lois. All this opposed to being the farmboy still in love with his first love and uncertain what his future would be.
I'm positive this all makes Tom Welling happy. To be portraying the character he was told he would eventually portray seven years ago. To become that iconic character everyone's been waiting for him to become.
And it's not just Tom who is happy about this :)
4Clana
09-19-2008, 07:25 AM
It actually made me want to punch the MM in the face, that he handed it back.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
You went INTO SPACE with Clark!! You couldn't pitch the jacket while you were out there????
LOL :rotfl:
stenochick
09-19-2008, 07:52 AM
It is amazing what an additional half-inch of hair length and a huge smile can do for the man's appearance. TW looked so handsome last night!!
I loved Clark in normal clothes and was also disappointed that MM gave him that darn red jacket back. But, I do get the symbolism that PS3 were trying to convey, so I will let it pass.
lovinredkclark
09-19-2008, 08:09 AM
[quote=stenochick;4002035]It is amazing what an additional half-inch of hair length and a huge smile can do for the man's appearance. TW looked so handsome last night!!
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Totally agree and the scruffyness at the Russian Camp.:p
Cant wait for next week, out of the blue tshirt and red jacket. We get the symbolism but time to move on.
jimmyolsenblues
09-19-2008, 08:22 AM
clark absolutely had a great time squeeking that chair
Eri-El
09-19-2008, 08:23 AM
I noticed at the end of his Daily Planet scene with Lois, as he walked away, he smiled this amazing smile.
Tom Welling actually looked happy to be playing Clark Kent! I don't mean acting happy, I mean he looked as though he was finally happy about how the new producers are leading the show. He looked as though he liked the character he was embodying. He looked as though he was actually enjoying himself for a change.
I hope he is. He deserves this. I haven't seen such an awesome smile on Tom's/Clark's face in such a long time. I think he is ready to end Smallville on a great note. I think he really likes where this show is being headed.
Ya know?.......You took the exact thoughts right out of my head on this one! He did really seem like he was having a good time in the DP scene with Lois. And it is true that we haven't seen Tom smile like that in a long time, and I hope we get to see more of it:D
He did seem to enjoy himself more this episode! It was like a breath of fresh air, and I really think it helped with my enjoyment of the episode overall!
But then, ALL of them really seemed to have new spark in them. Not that they've been doin badly, by any means. But AM really sold me on her lines with Jimmy - when I hadn't gotten that vibe from her before. ED has been so excited for the new seasons in interviews, the girl is practically about to take flight. (Hm...so many Superman jokes. So little time.) And Tom...!
I get warm fuzzies to think that this reflects the attitude on the set overall, that after 7 years - starting on year 8 - they've been given new life and new energy and are coming to the studio every day ready and eager to let this story continue.
Again, I don't think they've been DREADING working lately. But there's a difference between getting up in the morning and going to work because it's your job and you have some pleasure in doing it and in going to work because you love what you do.
It's good to see these people seem to love what they do again.
Yeah, as usual, you said what I was going to say....
One of PS3 recently said that Welling came into this season with a lot of ideas on what to do with Clark and they seemed happy abou that. So, it seems that Welling is taking a little bit more ownership this year when it comes to Clark's protrayal.... and they're giving him the room to do it.
I think that this Clark is very similar to the one we saw in "Fragile", "Hydro", and "Apocolypse". And it's no coincidence that Welling directed those... I also shades of Red-K Clark in there, too.... :lol:
I just get this feeling that Welling had been sleep walking for the past couple of years and is now waking up & just letting loose, because he finally gets to play Clark like an adult. The scenes he had with Oliver and Lois were great, because he was so manly... standing straight and tall... very proud, with a very "I'm the leader" quality about him. Even without his powers, he was still very confident. I loved that.
redRound
09-19-2008, 08:35 AM
I agree, I think he looked relaxed. I've said before, but I think Tom's acting became forced in the last few seasons. Maybe he was unhappy with things, idk. But he seemed more like himself in this episode, lighter, relaxed more natural.
mistaguitarmasta
09-19-2008, 08:36 AM
clark absolutely had a great time squeeking that chair
hehehe i LOVED that! i want more moments like that one. a LOT more. I know everyone's been saying it, but this seems like it's going to feel a lot like S3 again. which makes me REALLY happy because S3 was my favorite season. so this is looking promising! Whether it was Tom or Clark or both who are happy, I'm happy!
LuckyLois
09-19-2008, 08:48 AM
Tom definitly seemed alot happier. I have been saying this all along, he has wanted Clark to move forward, you can tell just by watching the episodes he has directed. I think he has done a great job with what he has been given, but tonight, whooooooooooo!!
I think everyone looked great too. Love his bantering with Oliver and Lois and hug with Chloe.
LoveHurts38
09-19-2008, 08:52 AM
For crying outloud he is happy..I didn't even bother buying S7 DVD because it was a not a good season IMO.
cksidekick
09-19-2008, 09:22 AM
I think I'm going to start calling them WPS3 because Tom is OBVIOUSLY more involved in the direction of this show than he ever has been...
do i think He's happier? You bet I do!!!
and for all you jacket haters...;)...Tom Welling put that Red Jacket on like NOBODY'S BUSINESS ready to go to work...symbolic? Oh it was symbolic alright...on more levels than one...i wouldn't be suprised to find out it was TOM'S idea to play the scene that way...:D
stenochick
09-19-2008, 10:06 AM
clark absolutely had a great time squeeking that chair
Knowing TW, it was probably his idea. He probably told the director that Clark should be squeaking in the chair.
hiler1988
09-19-2008, 10:20 AM
Tom clearly knows how his character is meant to act...and it was clear that over the past two seasons, he hadn't been able to push Clark forward...whether that was was Al and Miles' decision or the writers I don't know...but judging from last night's episode all I can say is the guy looks happy and if anything, relieved that he can have some fun with his character again and not be so mopey. I really think that he's a great actor and judging from the DP scene at the end...the future Clois scenes are going to be laced with humour, which in my opinion will be awesome!! It's great to see the show winning back some of it's original glory for what I hope is the last season.
Ilovebeinglost
09-19-2008, 10:23 AM
And wear some new clothes to boot.
skylar
09-19-2008, 10:29 AM
Tom does look happpier to be doing what he loves to do. No ill will towards KK but Tom was probably tired of working with her on the same storyline for the past 4 years. Now that he has more scene with Erica I think he more excited to play Clark again.
Estro-gen X
09-19-2008, 10:47 AM
I'd be happy too if my character finally had some major progression and was starting to move towards being in an ADULT relationship with a WOMAN ;)
exactly, how long before AC introduces Clark to Lori Lemaris!:rotfl:
LCforever
09-20-2008, 01:58 AM
maybe because now it's not all about the soap opera-mess of Clana and more towards Clark developing his character as SUPERMAN!
No one wants to stay a teenager forever and whining all the time!:p
~*smallville_tv*~
09-20-2008, 04:54 AM
Yeah he did seem happier, practically that last scene with lois lols. I know Tom has been acting angst with Clark alot lately so it's refreshing to see this. And I'm sure that smile at the end was genuine!
For some reason, I can imagine Tom squeaking the chair himself lol in real life just to annoy someone :P So I think he enjoyed doing that! It's also good how the writers are saying Clark will be more independent this season- not relying so much on Chloe for information- so maybe Tom likes that too (making him happier to play the character.).
Still bugs me abit though how Clark went on about things being his fault at the start of the season. I'd like to think Clark learns not to somehow lol. I dunno what Tom thinks about that but yeah.
Lobby4Chloe
09-20-2008, 05:59 AM
I like Clark in regular clothes. I'm tired of the red and blue clothes. He can't wear farm clothes to the DP, so I wonder what they'll do. Clark Kent in the business casual world? What does that look like? Dockers? I liked how they did the '40s look for Chloe a few seasons back. I liked all of Chloe's satin blouses too. Are they going to put Clark in a suit? Seems overkill. Is the red and blue going to be reserved for his world saving scenes? I can't wait to find out. Clothes excite me...
unfocused
09-20-2008, 06:03 AM
I can tell :D
One-Winged-Angel
09-20-2008, 06:19 AM
Agree, he looks very happy:)
Generic
09-20-2008, 06:30 AM
And to think, all it took to make him happy was seven years throwing a ball against a wall in his loft with Lifehouse playing in the background.
unfocused
09-20-2008, 06:35 AM
Hey Lifehouse is awesome.
Jaderoyale
09-20-2008, 07:40 AM
I think Tom is happy with the direction they're finally taking Clark.
And you can't blame him :)
Not to mention hes looking GOOD :p
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clark absolutely had a great time squeeking that chair
I think Tom did too :lol:
unfocused
09-21-2008, 02:47 AM
I'm glad that squeaking scene symbolized their banter with each other. They could just as easily made it symbolize sex, but the writers were smart not to do that.
kiariclois
09-21-2008, 03:10 AM
Ya know, from Montana, it's Clark who started the banter, and at the DP, he's the one who riled up Lois' temper too. :lol: I love IT!! It's no doubt that Tom's gonna be happy with this kinda scene.
Minela
09-21-2008, 07:32 AM
The reason Tom looked happy at the end is because it was in the script. Come on, he is an actor. If it calls for him to look sad in the barn loft he'll look sad, if it calls for him to look angry, hell look angry, it if calls for him to look happy he'll look happy.
unfocused
09-21-2008, 07:42 AM
It's not what they act, it's how they act.
He has acted happy in many episodes the past few seasons, but this time it was evident that the actor was enjoying himself as he was acting. In past episodes, this wasn't the case.
redRound
09-21-2008, 08:55 AM
It's not what they act, it's how they act.
He has acted happy in many episodes the past few seasons, but this time it was evident that the actor was enjoying himself as he was acting. In past episodes, this wasn't the case.
Exactly. For the last few seasons Tom hasn't been enjoying himself. His scenes either felt automated or forced. Even when Clark was supposed to be happy, for me, there's been the underlying sense that Tom isn't. In Odyssey it was different, especially in the final scene with Erica. The rapport between them was apparent, and Tom looked to be genuinely enjoying himself.
I also think that Kristin was unhappy towards the end. It was like a part of her had checked out, and she lost quite a bit of weight. I'm not attacking Tom or Kristin for this, I don't blame them for becoming disillusioned with the show, it's just an observation.
Yasise
09-21-2008, 09:00 AM
The reason Tom looked happy at the end is because it was in the script. Come on, he is an actor. If it calls for him to look sad in the barn loft he'll look sad, if it calls for him to look angry, hell look angry, it if calls for him to look happy he'll look happy.
No, Minela, I don't think so. I wrote this often last season and I'm sorry that I'm repeating myself again now, but Tom didn't seem to enjoy his work in season 7 at all.
Even when he smiled, because it was in the script (as you say), it didn't look convincing for me. The smile didn't reach his eyes. He only "smiled" with his mouth.
But if you rewatch some of the earlier episodes, e.g. in season 1, then you will definetly see the difference and you'll understand what I mean or trying to explain here.
In those episodes, when Tom smiled it was really catching, I always had to smile, too. But I never had this feeling in season 7 and most of season 6.
It's almost like he lost some of his passion after season 5.
Well, in "Odyssey" he seems to have regained some of this passion again - thank God - and we'll see, if it'll last throughout the whole season.
It's not what they act, it's how they act.
He has acted happy in many episodes the past few seasons, but this time it was evident that the actor was enjoying himself as he was acting. In past episodes, this wasn't the case.
I'm totally with you. Exactly what I wanted to explain above :)
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Exactly. For the last few seasons Tom hasn't been enjoying himself. His scenes either felt automated or forced. Even when Clark was supposed to be happy, for me, there's been the underlying sense that Tom isn't. In Odyssey it was different, especially in the final scene with Erica. The rapport between them was apparent, and Tom looked to be genuinely enjoying himself.
I also think that Kristin was unhappy towards the end. It was like a part of her had checked out, and she lost quite a bit of weight. I'm not attacking Tom or Kristin for this, I don't blame them for becoming disillusioned with the show, it's just an observation.
100% agreed. Of course we're not blaming the actors for that. We don't know what happens behind the curtains and after all these years it's only normal that not everything can be satisfying or fullfilling for them anymore.
And I can't believe that the actors always like what way their characters have to go or what development or Not-development they have to go through. The actors are people like we and if we critisize Clark's behaviour for example, maybe Tom did it, too, but couldn't do anything to change it.
Well, who wouldn't be frustrated then?
Let's hope, that whatever frustrated Tom in the past two seasons is over and he'll find his previous passion for his work again.
Clark/Lois-fan
09-21-2008, 09:23 AM
Well, in "Odyssey" he seems to have regained some of this passion again - thank God - and we'll see, if it'll last throughout the whole season.
That scene with him & Erica just got me all happy. He smiled so sincere that it really reached his eyes again- it didn't felt forced at all like it was just something he did without any passion in it at all.
The season has only started & Odyssey was a whole new direction for the show. A direction which will make Tom smile MANY times with passion :D
SnowBird
09-21-2008, 09:24 AM
I keep seeing where people think Tom didn't do his best acting because they think he wasn't happy or satisfied with how his character progressed. BULL...Tom is a professional and I believe he gives his best acting performance no matter what the circumstances. Tom is guided by a director and has to do what he is told. The times he has directed, I have seen him lighten up and portray Clark the way he thinks he should be in his eyes. IMO, I believe the reason he acts happier in the first episode is because he has more say in how he wants to play Clark. The producers even said Tom was brought in on their meetings and was able to give them his ideas of how the season should go with Clark. I'm looking forward to the lighter moments and a happier Clark. BUT, this season is also going to be dark and there will be more serious episodes so we won't see the happy Clark as often as we would like.
Yasise
09-21-2008, 09:45 AM
I keep seeing where people think Tom didn't do his best acting because they think he wasn't happy or satisfied with how his character progressed. BULL...Tom is a professional and I believe he gives his best acting performance no matter what the circumstances. Tom is guided by a director and has to do what he is told. The times he has directed, I have seen him lighten up and portray Clark the way he thinks he should be in his eyes. IMO, I believe the reason he acts happier in the first episode is because he has more say in how he wants to play Clark. The producers even said Tom was brought in on their meetings and was able to give them his ideas of how the season should go with Clark. I'm looking forward to the lighter moments and a happier Clark. BUT, this season is also going to be dark and there will be more serious episodes so we won't see the happy Clark as often as we would like.
Sorry if I had to disagree, but I think you misunderstood what posters like me want to say.
Of course Clark haven't had much to laugh last season and therefore he didn't smile often in his scenes.
But that's not, what we're talking about. Even in his "nothing to smile" scenes, he didn't seem to be happy with what he was doing. His acting wasn't, well, passionate like it was in the earlier seasons.
I don't say, that he has to smile in every scene, but please watch him smiling in episodes of season 1 or 2 and then compare it to the episodes of the last season - it's impossible to not see the difference!
I'm a totally obsessed Tom Welling fan, but this doesn't mean, that I don't see such differences in his acting.
Of course he is a professional actor already and he has to act, like the director tells him to act, but there was always this little bit of extra emotion in his face (in sad scenes and in happy scenes) what made him so special for me as an actor and that wasn't there in most of the last two seasons.
In "Odyssey" it seemed to be there again, but let's see the next episodes to be sure.
SnowBird
09-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Sorry if I had to disagree, but I think you misunderstood what posters like me want to say.
Of course Clark haven't had much to laugh last season and therefore he didn't smile often in his scenes.
But that's not, what we're talking about. Even in his "nothing to smile" scenes, he didn't seem to be happy with what he was doing. His acting wasn't, well, passionate like it was in the earlier seasons.
I don't say, that he has to smile in every scene, but please watch him smiling in episodes of season 1 or 2 and then compare it to the episodes of the last season - it's impossible to not see the difference!
I'm a totally obsessed Tom Welling fan, but this doesn't mean, that I don't see such differences in his acting.
Of course he is a professional actor already and he has to act, like the director tells him to act, but there was always this little bit of extra emotion in his face (in sad scenes and in happy scenes) what made him so special for me as an actor and that wasn't there in most of the last two seasons.
In "Odyssey" it seemed to be there again, but let's see the next episodes to be sure.
I think I see what you mean but take this into consideration. In seasons 1 and 2, Clark was a teenager of 14, 15 and 16. What person at that age isn't more care free and shows it. As Clark grew older his care free days came to an end and he became more serious because of what life was throwing at him as an alien in a human world. I know from experience that life can be a burden and smiles and laughing are less frequent. Clark had so many disappointments and had to grow up fast. So now the question is. Is Tom's acting after season 2 because he isn't putting his all into it. Or, is it because he is portraying Clark as the not so care free youth having to grow up because of the circumstances thrown at him?...Tom has the most amazing facial expressions and I do agree he hasn't shown his happier side as much. I'm really looking forward to seeing Clark more relaxed with Lois and giving us his amazing smile more often. I am certain we will also see a new side of Clark that we haven't seen before. Season 8 is going to rock:)
cksidekick
09-21-2008, 11:25 AM
it's not about Tom giving it 100%...he IS a proffesional, and he has allways done that...but as other have said, it's a certain "something" in his eyes...you can just tell that he's doing more than going through the motions...that has not been the case for a while now...when Tom is passionate about a project, it's obvious... add that bit of passion, and you get 110% from him...
the Clark we saw in Odessy is not brand spanking new with a shiny paint job and his tags still attatched...we just saw him last season in Apocalyps...you let Tom Welling dictate Clark's attitude, and his Superman makes you proud to be a Superman fan...it makes me proud anyway...
i would HATE to be a Smallville director...Tom telling me how his character should act...who does he think he is? :rotfl:
Dor el
09-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Has any other actor portrayed "Superman" longer than TW now has? I would think that portraying a character for such a long time would most certainly give that actor great insight into the inner workings of that character. I think it is smart and high time that TPTB brought TW in on the discussiona about the Clark character, his direction, and the ultimate transformation where Clark is also Superman. And no, I'm not referring to THE costume. I am probably the only one, but I don't feel it is necessary for TW to wear the costume to be Superman. It is not the clothes that make the man super. It is the man. I think TW's Clark is more than capable of being super even given SV limitations. I hope that by allowing his input into the production of SV, TPTB have recognized the value that TW brings to SV.
I do have a question, however. Is TW happy because he likes what's going on with SV or because he knows that come spring his contract will be over?
SparkleforSmallville
09-21-2008, 01:05 PM
I saw that familiar "twinkle" in Tom's eyes. I think he is happy:)
I know it made me happy to see Clark smiling and playful! Yeah!
PS3 said Tom came back this Season with a lot of good ideas,
and I'm sure, that made Tom happy.
Yasise
09-21-2008, 01:09 PM
I think I see what you mean but take this into consideration. In seasons 1 and 2, Clark was a teenager of 14, 15 and 16. What person at that age isn't more care free and shows it. As Clark grew older his care free days came to an end and he became more serious because of what life was throwing at him as an alien in a human world. I know from experience that life can be a burden and smiles and laughing are less frequent. Clark had so many disappointments and had to grow up fast. So now the question is. Is Tom's acting after season 2 because he isn't putting his all into it. Or, is it because he is portraying Clark as the not so care free youth having to grow up because of the circumstances thrown at him?...Tom has the most amazing facial expressions and I do agree he hasn't shown his happier side as much. I'm really looking forward to seeing Clark more relaxed with Lois and giving us his amazing smile more often. I am certain we will also see a new side of Clark that we haven't seen before. Season 8 is going to rock:)
Again, I'm afraid, you didn't understand what I'm trying to explain. I don't need an ever-smiling Clark in Smallville. This isn't about Clark at all. It's about Tom and how, I think, he was feeling since the last two seasons, about his character's development, about the show's direction, about his job etc. etc.
As cksidekick also explains, it seemed to me, that Tom didn't like what he was doing as Clark since season 6 and not after season 2, as you said above.
In most of the scenes in season 7 for example, it looks like he's bored of his job and while watching him I got the same feeling and I'm telling you this with an ache in my heart, because I don't want to write anything bad about Tom. I love his acting so much, he's THE Superman for me forever (with or without the suit), but as others say so either, his acting wasn't the same in the last two seasons as it was before those two.
I hope you can understand now, what I mean, or what cksidekick said, too?
it's not about Tom giving it 100%...he IS a proffesional, and he has allways done that...but as other have said, it's a certain "something" in his eyes...you can just tell that he's doing more than going through the motions...that has not been the case for a while now...when Tom is passionate about a project, it's obvious... add that bit of passion, and you get 110% from him...
yes, exactly what I wanted to say above.
Has any other actor portrayed "Superman" longer than TW now has? I would think that portraying a character for such a long time would most certainly give that actor great insight into the inner workings of that character. I think it is smart and high time that TPTB brought TW in on the discussiona about the Clark character, his direction, and the ultimate transformation where Clark is also Superman. And no, I'm not referring to THE costume. I am probably the only one, but I don't feel it is necessary for TW to wear the costume to be Superman. It is not the clothes that make the man super. It is the man. I think TW's Clark is more than capable of being super even given SV limitations. I hope that by allowing his input into the production of SV, TPTB have recognized the value that TW brings to SV.
Yes, Dor el, I agree with you 100%. It was really high time to let Tom have a word concerning the production, the script etc.
I do have a question, however. Is TW happy because he likes what's going on with SV or because he knows that come spring his contract will be over?
Good question! I guess the latter and I would not be surprised if my guess is right. Actually I think that it's high time for Tom to move on already. He's got so much talent, he should have the chance to prove it in other projects, too.
TOMophilus
09-21-2008, 04:06 PM
I agree with Yasise. I am pretty sure Tom was bored to death as well as annoyed during S6 and S7. When you watch Apocalypse and Odyssey you can clearly see the difference in all the little somethings. Tom is way more passionate in these episodes than during most of S6 and 7 (with certain exceptions of course). The difference between acting professionally, yet routinely, and acting passionately shows.
SnowBird
09-21-2008, 04:22 PM
Yasise...You are very determined to convince us that Tom didn't give you what you were looking for in the last few seasons. You must see something that I don't. I have watched S6 probably 6 times and just finished re-watching S7. I just don't see that Tom has failed to perform up to his best. The only thing that I see is a lack of some smiles which could have been missing because the storyline didn't call for a happy Clark. Could it be that you didn't like the last 2 seasons and are trying to find fault? I do agree that Tom might not have been liking his character or some of the storylines but to presume to say Tom was in the dumps and not being true to himself as an actor is just wrong. You will never convince me that he didn't perform up to his potential. Yes, he did show us a different Clark in Odyssey where he looked happier. It's a new season, a new beginning, written in the script, whatever, but don't try to tear down his past performances to try to explain the change. I just don't like people presuming to know what is in Tom Welling's head without actually knowing him. Now, I'm done with this conversation and you can say what you will but it won't change how I feel.
BadToad
09-21-2008, 04:30 PM
Yasise...You are very determined to convince us that Tom didn't give you what you were looking for in the last few seasons. You must see something that I don't.
Or me either.
While I am sure Tom has had his problems with the way SV has been written for the last 2 seasons, I get the strong feeling that some people are allowing their own dislike of the storylines...or their own knowledge of certain backstage rumors....to color their judgement of Tom's performances. Which, IMO, is unfortunate, because its more or less questioning the mans professionalism and talent.
Over the last 2 seasons, I think Tom has been the shows most consistent performer. I think he's had some incredible performances. If Tom didn't seem as joyful or enthusiastic it was probably because that would've been inappropriate for Clark's storylines. With all the angst, misery and loss heaped upon Clark for the last few years, Tom portraying him in a more closed off way seems, IMO, to be exactly what was called for.
I have no doubt that Tom is going to love playing a happier, more proactive Clark. And I think the fact that Clark is going to be portrayed in that fashion (hopefully) is whats allowing him as an actor to put spark back into Clark. Because thats what called for in the story, and with Clark's new direction (again, hopefully).
JMHO
cksidekick
09-21-2008, 04:33 PM
^^^^^^
i don't think anyone is questioning his talent OR his work ethic...in fact we have gone out of our way to point that out... believe it or not, Tom Welling suffers from the same "human condition" as everyone else...
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/8981/tcid/1
Kelly Souders: "Everybody who’s involved in the show believes in the show even more in season 8 than ever which I think is also….if you go up there it feels like you’re on a pilot season as far as excitement from the cast and from the writers and from our crew. Everybody’s working harder than I’ve ever seen them work before, so I think everybody’s hoping for a season 9."
buh bye Al/Miles
seems to me she is saying they are having more fun this year....hmmm...
wolverine316
09-21-2008, 05:08 PM
Noone can really get into Tom's head as to whether he enjoyed playing Clark for the past 2 seasons. People are just going on opinion. I don't think that you can say Tom is more happy just because he is smiling alot more in his scenes.
RedKRules
09-21-2008, 05:11 PM
I totally agree with wolverine!!!
Minela
09-21-2008, 05:21 PM
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to attack here. I really loved the smiling Tom and the end scene was great. But really. You gotta be a pretty bad actor if you can't convince your audience of certain emotions when they are written in the script. Happy or sad.
When you're an actor, even if you don't like the script, you're expected to check the baggage at the door (or behind the set) and perform like a professional. After all, that's what acting is.
cksidekick
09-21-2008, 05:34 PM
i can go through the seasons (as i constantly do) and pick out scenes from ALL the actors...especialy Rosenbaum...
you know why movies are so good? because they play the character for a few months then they do a different one...television gets repetetive...it's the nature of the beast...and if you LOOK for it, you can find it in an actor's perfomance...actors will be the first to tell you that...
Welling_is_pretty
09-21-2008, 06:12 PM
About damn time. Four full seasons passed by since he was last really happy.
*points up* what HE said.
mtnmama236
09-21-2008, 06:21 PM
Ya know, from Montana, Being from Montana, I was just happy that they made Black Creek look a bit like it could be Montana, and they had the sense to make a place up. Choosing Montana made sense- adopted home of the Unabomber, the Freemen why not one of Lex's secret labs? :)
Kal el of krypton
09-21-2008, 08:03 PM
it was a good feel to see him smile, he hardly never smiled in season 7 and when he smiled at the end it reminded me of bizarro since he always smiles lol
Yasise
09-22-2008, 02:31 AM
Yasise...You are very determined to convince us that Tom didn't give you what you were looking for in the last few seasons. You must see something that I don't. I have watched S6 probably 6 times and just finished re-watching S7. I just don't see that Tom has failed to perform up to his best. The only thing that I see is a lack of some smiles which could have been missing because the storyline didn't call for a happy Clark. Could it be that you didn't like the last 2 seasons and are trying to find fault? I do agree that Tom might not have been liking his character or some of the storylines but to presume to say Tom was in the dumps and not being true to himself as an actor is just wrong. You will never convince me that he didn't perform up to his potential. Yes, he did show us a different Clark in Odyssey where he looked happier. It's a new season, a new beginning, written in the script, whatever, but don't try to tear down his past performances to try to explain the change. I just don't like people presuming to know what is in Tom Welling's head without actually knowing him. Now, I'm done with this conversation and you can say what you will but it won't change how I feel.
O.k. this will be my last attempt to explain what I want to say.
I'm not saying that I know what is in Tom's head, what he's feeling or whatever. Nobody on earth is able to tell that but Tom himself.
I didn't dislike the previous two seasons either, as you say.
I'm only trying to tell you, what my personal feeling is, when I watch those seasons, especially the scenes with Tom.
I myself got the feeling that he was bored of his job, while watching him in season 6 and 7.
His acting didn't cause the same feelings in my heart as it did e.g. in season 1 or 2 or 3...but that doesn't mean, that I think he's a bad actor!
Maybe I'm totally misguided by my feelings, but obviously I'm not the only one, who's thinking like that.
So, snowbird and badtoad, let's agree to disagree with you concerning this topic. We're different persons with different feelings and thoughts, but there's nothing wrong in discussing them in a friendly way.
I surely didn't want to offend anybody, especially not Tom, of course. I'm sorry, if my posts seemed to do so. I love Tom's acting, he's the only reason I'm watching Smallville.
RedKRules
09-22-2008, 07:13 AM
I think CLARK was happy that he finally moved on and now he will be trying something new !! That is all that I saw!
unfocused
09-22-2008, 08:32 AM
Me too!
SnowBird
09-22-2008, 09:18 AM
O.k. this will be my last attempt to explain what I want to say.
I'm not saying that I know what is in Tom's head, what he's feeling or whatever. Nobody on earth is able to tell that but Tom himself.
I didn't dislike the previous two seasons either, as you say.
I'm only trying to tell you, what my personal feeling is, when I watch those seasons, especially the scenes with Tom.
I myself got the feeling that he was bored of his job, while watching him in season 6 and 7.
His acting didn't cause the same feelings in my heart as it did e.g. in season 1 or 2 or 3...but that doesn't mean, that I think he's a bad actor!
Maybe I'm totally misguided by my feelings, but obviously I'm not the only one, who's thinking like that.
So, snowbird and badtoad, let's agree to disagree with you concerning this topic. We're different persons with different feelings and thoughts, but there's nothing wrong in discussing them in a friendly way.
I surely didn't want to offend anybody, especially not Tom, of course. I'm sorry, if my posts seemed to do so. I love Tom's acting, he's the only reason I'm watching Smallville.
I know you aren't the only one who feels this way as I have noticed. Let's move on and just enjoy the fact that hopefully Clark will be able to be happier this season for whatever reasons as we saw in the first episode.
Thanks and Take Care:) SnowBird
All about Clark
09-22-2008, 10:12 AM
I think CLARK was happy that he finally moved on and now he will be trying something new !! That is all that I saw!
Agree completely. I don't believe Tom's feelings are being shown in any season. He's portraying Clark, and Clark's been rather unhappy the past 2 seasons, that's it. His plan to move on brings new light to his life, not to mention that he suffered being a prisoner of a Russian work camp and is probably thrilled to not only be at home, but to have his powers back and his life back, and now he can stop people like those Russians.
Kevin24
09-22-2008, 10:50 AM
I can't comment on how Tom feels about the direction of the show or any other actor. I just know that Clark is alot happier and seems to feel like the weight of the world has finally lifted off his shoulders.
I do think some people are reading a little too into his smile because after all it was in the script. Maybe he is happier because there is less stress on the set? who knows? I just know that Clark is feeling better inside and has more reasons to smile now.
Also, Clark usually does smile alot more when he is around Lois, either because he is making fun of her or because she makes him smile.
BULLITT
09-22-2008, 11:55 AM
I noticed at the end of his Daily Planet scene with Lois, as he walked away, he smiled this amazing smile.
Tom Welling actually looked happy to be playing Clark Kent! I don't mean acting happy, I mean he looked as though he was finally happy about how the new producers are leading the show. He looked as though he liked the character he was embodying. He looked as though he was actually enjoying himself for a change.
I hope he is. He deserves this. I haven't seen such an awesome smile on Tom's/Clark's face in such a long time. I think he is ready to end Smallville on a great note. I think he really likes where this show is being headed.
I think your reading too much into it, as specific to Tom Welling, and not his character - Clark. Still if you like that smile, go back and check out the time Clark and Lois are investigating the kryptonite infected dogs - Tom's face when Lois jumps a fence and lands in a 'cow patty' - HYSTERICAL !:rotfl:
Sweetie
09-22-2008, 11:55 AM
I liked the way he delivered his lines and called her Lane(priceless).He looked so happy and relaxed,he was enjoying himself.I think she will have to call him Kent now :)
PS:I think this thread should be in the Tom Welling's section.It's talking about the actor,not the character here?
redRound
09-22-2008, 04:29 PM
^^ It's got nothing to do with Clark smiling, or whether the direction his story went in was likeable. I didn't like how things ended with Lionel, he was turned into a grovelling wreck who certainly didn't smile. But JG still had a lot of energy and conviction in those scenes. He made the performance compelling even though I thought Lionel was acting out of character. Whereas regardless of Clark's storyline, (whether he's happy, sad, angry or calm), to me, compared to the early seasons, Tom hasn't been as energised.
mrw66855
09-22-2008, 05:34 PM
Tom did look happy, and he looked like he was enjoying himself a lot. I think he is happy the character he has been playing for eight years is finally becoming the character we all know and he knows it probably really enjoys.
unfocused
09-22-2008, 06:00 PM
I really like what one poster said about how, in Odyssey, you can see that smile in his eyes. That's how you can tell it was a real smile by the actor.
cksidekick
09-22-2008, 06:37 PM
it's like i said, Tom suffers from the Human condition just like the rest of us...Rosenbaum has gotten on my nerves more times than i can count for just walking through a scene with no passion at all...especialy since season 6...there are a few scenes in Veritas that are AMAZING because he thought he was finishing up...the next 5 episodes were back to him showing up, and going through the motions..
look, believe it or not, directors watch daylies for shows evey week and have the same conversation we are having here...it has NOTHING to do with taking Clark's lines and confusing them with TOM having a less than inspired day on set...happy, sad, angry, makes no difference...
when an actor is having a bad "personal" day, it comes through in performance...when they are bored, it comes through in performance...when they are on take 25, it comes through in performance...when they are inspired and on point, IT COMES THROUGH IN PERFORMANCE...it is obvious to me that Tom is having fun again, and enjoys the cast he is working with...
disagree if you like, but i know full well, i can run through the seasons and pick out scenes that were shot on a day when which ever actor/actress just didn't QUITE pull it off...particularly Rosenbaum...it hapens on EVERY show...especialy after a few seasons...
unfocused
09-23-2008, 01:30 AM
Well said.
SnowBird
09-23-2008, 01:56 AM
it's like i said, Tom suffers from the Human condition just like the rest of us...Rosenbaum has gotten on my nerves more times than i can count for just walking through a scene with no passion at all...especialy since season 6...there are a few scenes in Veritas that are AMAZING because he thought he was finishing up...the next 5 episodes were back to him showing up, and going through the motions..
look, believe it or not, directors watch daylies for shows evey week and have the same conversation we are having here...it has NOTHING to do with taking Clark's lines and confusing them with TOM having a less than inspired day on set...happy, sad, angry, makes no difference...
when an actor is having a bad "personal" day, it comes through in performance...when they are bored, it comes through in performance...when they are on take 25, it comes through in performance...when they are inspired and on point, IT COMES THROUGH IN PERFORMANCE...it is obvious to me that Tom is having fun again, and enjoys the cast he is working with...
disagree if you like, but i know full well, i can run through the seasons and pick out scenes that were shot on a day when which ever actor/actress just didn't QUITE pull it off...particularly Rosenbaum...it hapens on EVERY show...especialy after a few seasons...
Please may I ask a question? I have wanted to know this for awhile. Maybe you know this from watching Tom's performances.
TW was filming The Fog at the same time he was filming Smallville. I remember from The Fog commentary that Tom would leave from The Fog and go directly to Smallville and that he was very tired. I think he did this for a couple of months. I have watched the SV seasons looking for signs that Tom looked tired or that his performance suffered and I just can't tell. Can you please tell me what season and episodes he was pulling double duty? I would really like to know....I must admit this is a little test of your abilities so I would appreciate if only you would answer this for me. I really would like to know tho since I don't know the answer. Thanks
cksidekick
09-23-2008, 04:22 PM
test of my abilities? :lol:
it is a good question...i have not aproached it that way as of yet...it would require a bit of research on his schedual though...i'll make you a deal...you find out what months of what year he was pulling double duty, and i'll give that season a run through...
it's most likely going to be durring the mid season break, or the time between two seasons...
until then, i'll give you an example to look at for yourself...
Rosenbaum had back surgery before season 7 started...there is a scene early in the season where Clark grabs him by the collar to intimidate him...the acting itself wasn't bad, but Tom was sooooooo obviously gentle with Michael...like i said, not bad acting on that one so much, but it takes a lot away from the intinsety of the scene...they have had more physical scenes when they were NOT mad at each other..
Oh! and a comparison on Tom...when Lionel tells Clark that Lana is dead, the reaction from Tom (for me) was half believable...
contrast that to Lana's Dear Clark video, where you have a scene (I think) the guy has been looking foward to for YEARS...just like a lot of us have...FINALY...We got rid of Lana...he put REAL tears into that scene...:lol: sort of ironic realy...but that's just my take on it...:)
petitemimi
09-23-2008, 05:08 PM
test of my abilities? :lol:
it is a good question...i have not aproached it that way as of yet...it would require a bit of research on his schedual though...i'll make you a deal...you find out what months of what year he was pulling double duty, and i'll give that season a run through...
:lol: Nice deflection. But since he was physically exhausted, it should be easier to see than his emotional state... And I happen to know the answer to Snowbird's question and it doesn't show. :D But why don't you give it a shot? Research shouldn't be necessary :p
I'll give you an easy one: in which other episode a cast member handled Lex with care because of MR's back ache? (This is fun!)
SnowBird
09-23-2008, 05:16 PM
test of my abilities? :lol:
it is a good question...i have not aproached it that way as of yet...it would require a bit of research on his schedual though...i'll make you a deal...you find out what months of what year he was pulling double duty, and i'll give that season a run through...
it's most likely going to be durring the mid season break, or the time between two seasons...
until then, i'll give you an example to look at for yourself...
Rosenbaum had back surgery before season 7 started...there is a scene early in the season where Clark grabs him by the collar to intimidate him...the acting itself wasn't bad, but Tom was sooooooo obviously gentle with Michael...like i said, not bad acting on that one so much, but it takes a lot away from the intinsety of the scene...they have had more physical scenes when they were NOT mad at each other..
Oh! and a comparison on Tom...when Lionel tells Clark that Lana is dead, the reaction from Tom (for me) was half believable...
contrast that to Lana's Dear Clark video, where you have a scene (I think) the guy has been looking foward to for YEARS...just like a lot of us have...FINALY...We got rid of Lana...he put REAL tears into that scene...:lol: sort of ironic realy...but that's just my take on it...:)
I wondered how MR worked after having back surgery. Good eye on that one.
I did a little research on Tom and The Fog. Looks like I was off on how much time Tom did the double duty. Below is what I found.
Tom Welling had three weeks left on Smallville (2005) season 4 when he began shooting The Fog (2005). Selma Blair often joked that the director kept two cameras running during his scenes - one for The Fog, and one for Smallville.
Looks like it was high school graduation "Commencement" which is a favorite among many. Okay, it's up to you to see what you can find on sleepy Clark or less than great performance. If he is going to get lazy with his acting, it would be when he is tired from over work. One thing, I think he must have woke up in the cold when the fortress was made.:)
Tatiana
09-23-2008, 05:39 PM
I keep seeing where people think Tom didn't do his best acting because they think he wasn't happy or satisfied with how his character progressed. BULL...Tom is a professional and I believe he gives his best acting performance no matter what the circumstances. Tom is guided by a director and has to do what he is told. The times he has directed, I have seen him lighten up and portray Clark the way he thinks he should be in his eyes. IMO, I believe the reason he acts happier in the first episode is because he has more say in how he wants to play Clark. The producers even said Tom was brought in on their meetings and was able to give them his ideas of how the season should go with Clark. I'm looking forward to the lighter moments and a happier Clark. BUT, this season is also going to be dark and there will be more serious episodes so we won't see the happy Clark as often as we would like.
I agree, he could just be acting very well as happy now lol maybe he is dying inside and he is just performing well. I think he has done wonderfully in the past seasons, has improved a lot since season 1, I don't think many people can be evil/good/funny/sexy all in one episode like Tom has done many times as Bizarro or red-k.
cksidekick
09-23-2008, 06:20 PM
first off, it wasn't a deflection...i fully intend to look into it...i just didn't want to do the research...
it's possibly more than Commencement, because scenes may be shot out of order for episodes due to logisitics...i'll check out the last few episodes and see if any of my "off day" scenes are in there...
unfocused
09-23-2008, 06:32 PM
This has turned into a very interesting discussion.
My opinion is that Tom Welling isn't that great of an actor to begin with. I'm sorry to say, I love the guy and he portrays one of the best Clark Kent/Superman characters ever, but from a general standpoint, he has many acting flaws. It is more likely that offscreen emotions will shine through his performance sometimes.
I regret feeling that he isn't a great actor, I'm sorry if I offend any fans. But I do still think he is very talented.
SnowBird
09-23-2008, 06:34 PM
first off, it wasn't a deflection...i fully intend to look into it...i just didn't want to do the research...
it's possibly more than Commencement, because scenes may be shot out of order for episodes due to logisitics...i'll check out the last few episodes and see if any of my "off day" scenes are in there...
I'm not the one who said deflection. I agree that the last three episodes of S4 may be involved when Tom was doing double duty. Thanks:)
cksidekick
09-23-2008, 07:14 PM
^^^^^^
oh, i know you were not who made the comment...i still have not gotten the hang of multiple quotes on message boards...never realy tried...
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This has turned into a very interesting discussion.
My opinion is that Tom Welling isn't that great of an actor to begin with. I'm sorry to say, I love the guy and he portrays one of the best Clark Kent/Superman characters ever, but from a general standpoint, he has many acting flaws. It is more likely that offscreen emotions will shine through his performance sometimes.
I regret feeling that he isn't a great actor, I'm sorry if I offend any fans. But I do still think he is very talented.
i think the problem (if you want to call it one) with ANY show, is that after a while actors hit a comfort zone, and no matter their character, more and more of the actual personality of the actor comes out...there is a lot more Tom Welling in Smallville Clark than most would admit...
that's why shows have to progress...you have to keep the actors challenged...you have to keep them a bit out of that comfort level for them to realy shine...it's what makes big screen actors so good...every new role is a challenge...
which hits on the OT...season 8 is as fresh for Tom, i think, as it is for all of us...and it shows...i can't wait for the next few episodes to see if it continues...:)
TOMophilus
09-24-2008, 03:19 AM
My opinion is that Tom Welling isn't that great of an actor to begin with. I'm sorry to say, I love the guy and he portrays one of the best Clark Kent/Superman characters ever, but from a general standpoint, he has many acting flaws.
Examples? :cool:
Yasise
09-24-2008, 03:27 AM
^^ It's got nothing to do with Clark smiling, or whether the direction his story went in was likeable. I didn't like how things ended with Lionel, he was turned into a grovelling wreck who certainly didn't smile. But JG still had a lot of energy and conviction in those scenes. He made the performance compelling even though I thought Lionel was acting out of character. Whereas regardless of Clark's storyline, (whether he's happy, sad, angry or calm), to me, compared to the early seasons, Tom hasn't been as energised.
Definetly! Exactly!
it's like i said, Tom suffers from the Human condition just like the rest of us...Rosenbaum has gotten on my nerves more times than i can count for just walking through a scene with no passion at all...especialy since season 6...there are a few scenes in Veritas that are AMAZING because he thought he was finishing up...the next 5 episodes were back to him showing up, and going through the motions..
look, believe it or not, directors watch daylies for shows evey week and have the same conversation we are having here...it has NOTHING to do with taking Clark's lines and confusing them with TOM having a less than inspired day on set...happy, sad, angry, makes no difference...
when an actor is having a bad "personal" day, it comes through in performance...when they are bored, it comes through in performance...when they are on take 25, it comes through in performance...when they are inspired and on point, IT COMES THROUGH IN PERFORMANCE...it is obvious to me that Tom is having fun again, and enjoys the cast he is working with...
disagree if you like, but i know full well, i can run through the seasons and pick out scenes that were shot on a day when which ever actor/actress just didn't QUITE pull it off...particularly Rosenbaum...it hapens on EVERY show...especialy after a few seasons...
I do 100% agree with you!
first off, it wasn't a deflection...i fully intend to look into it...i just didn't want to do the research...
it's possibly more than Commencement, because scenes may be shot out of order for episodes due to logisitics...i'll check out the last few episodes and see if any of my "off day" scenes are in there...
The most of this so-called "off days" are in season 6 and season 7, IMO.
........i think the problem (if you want to call it one) with ANY show, is that after a while actors hit a comfort zone, and no matter their character, more and more of the actual personality of the actor comes out...there is a lot more Tom Welling in Smallville Clark than most would admit...
that's why shows have to progress...you have to keep the actors challenged...you have to keep them a bit out of that comfort level for them to realy shine...it's what makes big screen actors so good...every new role is a challenge...
which hits on the OT...season 8 is as fresh for Tom, i think, as it is for all of us...and it shows...i can't wait for the next few episodes to see if it continues...:)
Again, 100% agreed!:)
BTW, I watched an interview with Allison Mack, where she says that Tom is really so much like Clark...........
TOMophilus
09-24-2008, 03:44 AM
BTW, I watched an interview with Allison Mack, where she says that Tom is really so much like Clark...........
Yeah, but careful: she doesn´t mean mopey Clark! She means the kindness, fairness, and selflessness part. :)
Yasise
09-24-2008, 04:03 AM
Yeah, but careful: she doesn´t mean mopey Clark! She means the kindness, fairness, and selflessness part. :)
yes, of course! That interview was made in the earlier times of Smallville and there wasn't that kind of mopey Clark we used to see in season 6 and 7.
Sorry, next time I'll try to be more precise :)
BTW, did I mention, that for me Tom Welling is the best actor I've seen for a long time.
I love his acting so much, but that doesn't mean that I don't have something to critisize once in a while............;)
OneShotClois
09-24-2008, 02:47 PM
I noticed at the end of his Daily Planet scene with Lois, as he walked away, he smiled this amazing smile.
Tom Welling actually looked happy to be playing Clark Kent! I don't mean acting happy, I mean he looked as though he was finally happy about how the new producers are leading the show. He looked as though he liked the character he was embodying. He looked as though he was actually enjoying himself for a change.
I hope he is. He deserves this. I haven't seen such an awesome smile on Tom's/Clark's face in such a long time. I think he is ready to end Smallville on a great note. I think he really likes where this show is being headed.
I agree completely.
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