Is this the most boring season Premiere ever?

[Alexander III]

This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(

[AndiGirl]

I dont think it was aweful by any means....a little "eh" but not horrible. I just thought it would take more then a pile of bills to save clark.

I think they were just doing the normal smallville thing, and trying to shove a lot of material in a small amount of time. We had clarks story line, the JL, Chloe, Tess.....it was just a lot.

I'm a bit let down, but still very excited for the season!!! :)

[abbaspice1]

Um, I was only disappointed in two incidences: Chloe's reactiont o Lois being hurt while trying to rescue her and MM losing his powers. hey both had me yelling at the screen.

[pharaoh8]

Hell To The No!!!!!!
It Was Awesome. I Mean Clark Almost Died, Jons Lost His Powers, Chloe Lost Her Powers And Seems To Have A New One (well Maybe It's Not A Power), Lois Looks Fab, And Tess Is Very Confused. I Have A Feeling She's Going To Turn Out Good.

[myankskent]

I actually thought that this was one of the best. There was a nice pace to it and I loved how all of the characters were used.

[Alexander III]

Hell To The No!!!!!!
It Was Awesome. I Mean Clark Almost Died, Jons Lost His Powers, Chloe Lost Her Powers And Seems To Have A New One (well Maybe It's Not A Power), Lois Looks Fab, And Tess Is Very Confused. I Have A Feeling She's Going To Turn Out Good.

I do have to agree w/ Lois looking fab! She's got a different look and HOT DAMN!!!

[Clana4Life]

Yawn....Borderline boring. Heck I'll be nice and give it "mediocre." Doesn't top last year's series premiere. Hope this season gets better. This episode was too "talky" too much dialogue. Boy, sure do miss Lex and Lana. We're watching a whole different Smallville now. Maybe they should just call it Metropolis.

[ClarkyBoy14]

No, it was good. :)

[CallMeClark]

I think it was quite good actually...

Way better than "Artic."

[doodie8808]

i loved it and did not miss lana ay all but lex i did

[dimeo782002]

I think it was okay . Toomuch shoved into one episode imo but i think chloe can still heal but for some reason can't save clark just my opinion.

Anyhoo im suprised how i smiled at clois arguing , can't help but laugh at those two ( even though im a Chlarker lmao )
Tom welling looks sexy as hell ! so did justin in the opening credits wow sizzling hot grrr !

the chimmy ! well it was cheesy as usual but i can't help smiling when chloe smiles and her little comment on how what she wanted in her past stopped her from seeing what she had ? i think that is a reference to mr kent ? I think she met that her feelings for her past aka clark kept her from really wanting jimmy ? i don't know what do you guys think ?

other than that it was okay , it had some light harded moments and even though i like Lois i still feel there is some light switching no offense to anyone , just my opinion , but Lois is likeable , love the new hair color . Dam tom looked hot at the dp when he smiled lol !

[skylar]

I loved it... so much stuff so little time they should have had a 2 hour premiere.

[avisray1992]

Odyssey rocked, and as someone else said, way better than Arctic! I really enjoyed the episode and enjoyed Cassidy Freeman and Justin Hartley as new regulars.

[spokesnwheels]

This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(


WTH? It was absolutely wonderful!!! Loved it!:D

[Clana4Life]

Has Smallville lost 1/2 of its audience with the exist of Kristen and Michael? The message board is a poor site compared to what's been like in previous years. I wonder if people were so let down by this episode that they didn't even bother to post on Kryptonsite. I'd be interested in knowing what the ratings were when anyone gets that info. I guarantee that the ratings will sky rocket when KK returns in November. Partly because Clana fans will rally and watch but also because people will want to know what's been up with her for the past few months and why she's back.

[thehenry89]

absolutley loved it. didn't miss lana one bit, but i missed lex though.

[pharaoh8]

absolutley loved it. didn't miss lana one bit, but i missed lex though.


i second that.

[mrw66855]

hell Yeah. Smallville is back in my opinion. For those of you that said it was too boring and talkative. I do not see how that could be. I mean, this is setting up starting to set up the main stuff for the season. And there was a really that much talking in my opinion. I mean, yeah, they talked but only to explain things and set up the storyline besides that. The talking was more casual conversation, that really did not hurt the show.
In my opinion a 10/10. I mean come on, ffice:smarttags" /><ST1:place w:st="on">Clark</ST1:place> is actually willing to accept his destiny. What could be better than that. That right there scores the episode, major points. Would you not agree

[kyl-el]

Well it wasn't my favorite that's for sure, but that isn't my final word on it. I'm glad Lana is finally out of the picture, but I will surely miss Lex this season. And at least we are finally getting to see Clark move on towards his destiny, at least I hope that's what going to happen...

[double L]

One of the best opener's ever. It was great to have no sign of Lana.

[mrw66855]

This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(
what the heck are you talk about. No offense but Clark died back in season five and get really die anyway he was saved at the last possible second. And he did not really lose abilities either. The device did not really making human suppresses abilities. If he was human the sun would not have been able to bring him back. And no offense but I do not understand why people base watching a show on just one or two actors. I am upset that some of the actors are gone to, but I base my opinion on the show on how good the storyline is. So I give like I said before this episode a 10 out of 10. It rocked and just for your information kara is in the Phantom zone. Did you not see Arctic.

[thehenry89]

Having to chose from 8 different season operners then i'd say no this wasn't my favorite, but it's far superior then the crap i had to suffer through last year and the year before that. I don't even rember what the season 7 opener was about, and apart from lana being speared to the wall, zod was an abysmal mess.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Has Smallville lost 1/2 of its audience with the exist of Kristen and Michael? The message board is a poor site compared to what's been like in previous years. I wonder if people were so let down by this episode that they didn't even bother to post on Kryptonsite. I'd be interested in knowing what the ratings were when anyone gets that info. I guarantee that the ratings will sky rocket when KK returns in November. Partly because Clana fans will rally and watch but also because people will want to know what's been up with her for the past few months and why she's back.

I have to disagree. The ratings are not going to sky-rocket when KK returns. :\

[eas]

I did miss Lex, but I think there was more than enough action (and AWESOME Clark Kent) to make up for it.

[hemmy]

Def not the worst

All Smallville premiers are really good IMO, but this was better than S6 and S7 premiers

You just can't make some people happy.

Last year people were complaining about Lana and Clark not moving on

Now they complain about same old stuff blah blah blah

[alejandrita439]

One of the best opener's ever. It was great to have no sign of Lana.

hahaha ITA

i think it was one of the best :):):):):)

[Clana4Life]

It's was good to see Clark's final thoughts when he was dying. His first thought was of Lana. He still seems to care deeply for her. It was also good to see Mr and Mrs. Kent. I feel like Clark changed once he got resurrected. I think he's closing the chapter on Seasons 1-7 and starting anew. I just don't know what the catalyst for that was. I can't say it was really death - because he has both died and lost his powers before. I guess it's because Ma Kent, Pa Kent and Lana are gone. Maybe they were the threads holding him to the farm and that life. Now that they're all gone, he's reinventing himself. He even seemed to have a sense of humor at the DP. I neither a Lana nor Lex hater, but I wonder what Lana's reappearance will do to him. Will it make him want or hope for a life again with her or will he say he'll always love her but it's time to move on. The verdict is still out on that for me. As much as I think he's changing, he has a strong weakness for her. I dunno. Bring on November.

[t3000]

This was such a let down. Clark's powers were stripped by a device designed to save everyone in the case that he turned against humanity. And all it takes to restore his powers is fly him close to the sun? Does that mean if he had stayed on earth and gone to the beach he would have got his powers back and been able to destroy humanity again? Weak, very weak.
And CW, what is up with all the commercials? This started to be a problem last season, 5 minutes of show 5 minutes of commercials. It's as if they are trying to fill space because no one can come up with a decent episode.

[geminis]

Actually, we did have Lana, but only for a minute. If that. Followed by Martha and Jonathan! Now them, I miss! Tess certainly added a different dynamic than Lex. This was definitely an improvement on Arctic and in my opinion one of my favorite premieres.

[roccanater]

I don't think it was that boring, it just had to explain a lot of things in a short amount of time.

[Clana4Life]

The season premiere last year had the cool Kelly Clarkson song in the background as Kara flew. That was a good premiere. And that's how premieres are done.

[xrayvision]

It didn't have the usual premiere feel to it. But as long as it leaves things in a more interesting place, I'm all for it. I just don't like at all what they did with Chloe.

[Smallville6]

I loved this eppy! It was absolutley amazing!!

[Aries83]

When the credits appeared at the end, I felt like I had watched a completely different show, which is good because after 7 seasons, it needs to feel new again. I can't wait for next week.

[alejandrita439]

yeah i know..
i cant wait next week :P

[myankskent]

It didn't have the usual premiere feel to it.

I think that there are a couple of reasons why. Obviously, with the loss of MR, KK and JG, that naturally makes the show look and feel different but I also think that we have gotten used to premiers that have picked right up from where the previous season left off. In this episode, TPTB not only had to introduce new characters, but also introduce new locations and storylines that each character was associated with.

[cousteau]

Anyone saying an episode is boring when it features erica durance in a french maid's outfit needs to ask some seriously deep questions...

[roccanater]

Anyone saying an episode is boring when it features erica durance in a french maid's outfit needs to ask some seriously deep questions...

Haha! Awesome!

[origin]

I loved the episode!

[Alexander III]

Anyone saying an episode is boring when it features erica durance in a french maid's outfit needs to ask some seriously deep questions...

Calm ur harmones buddy :lol
I'd still ask the same question again even if Lois was nude in this episode!! ...or not...

[xrayvision]

I think that there are a couple of reasons why. Obviously, with the loss of MR, KK and JG, that naturally makes the show look and feel different but I also think that we have gotten used to premiers that have picked right up from where the previous season left off. In this episode, TPTB not only had to introduce new characters, but also introduce new locations and storylines that each character was associated with.

Yeah. I just hope they still have a good deal of scenes in Smallville so that the name of the show stays true.

[cousteau]

Calm ur harmones buddy :lol
I'd still ask the same question again even if Lois was nude in this episode!! ...or not...

That's right! You know you wouldn't, so in the absence of naked hotbody, french maid hotbody aces anything, including erica doing striptease.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Heck no!
This episode was great!

[Magda Halliwell]

I thought it was good. I am not gonna say it was my favorite premiere ever. I didn't really miss Lex or Lana. I loved seeing more of Louis. I also liked seeing TJL. I really really liked Tess, she is a total *****!! I think the premiere could possibly spin the show off into a great direction. Not the best but note the worst in my book.

[biggkoz]

I actually thought this was a good episode. It didnt follow the standard pattern its always had.

[yoxodo]

Wasn't completely boring but wasn't the bomb like Arrival or Zod either. Kinda weird not seeing the Gough/Millar credit at the very end.
Wonder who the girl is in next episode?

[HowardFilms]

I think it was good. I mean, it wasn't one of the best episodes ever. But it finally did to Clark what we have always asked of them.

How can we argue with that?

[myankskent]

Yeah. I just hope they still have a good deal of scenes in Smallville so that the name of the show stays true.

I'm sure they will but I think that the show should be named "Metropolis". Clark is at the DP now and you could still have scenes in Smallville while changing the name to Metropolis.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I think there was a lot more adult/intelligent writing in this premiere than there has been in others. As always though it seemed to be trying to do too much in one episode. Seems to be a chronic problem in SV premieres, but I actually liked this one a lot.

We even got to see Lex, Martha and Lana in the lead up scenes. I thought they'd leave them out of it because they aren't in the season, well one of them is but much later. Then Clark saw Lana and his Mother before he died and one of the scenes was at Jonathan's funeral. That was a nice touch.

Which later lead to him saying that he'd written eulogies but he never really let go. That was a nice line and he embraced his destiny all of his own accord. Then Martian Manhunter handed him his red jacket as if, to me anyway, symbolizing the red cape of Superman. VERY nice scene.

I don't know, but I actually thought the writing was a lot tighter in this episode and less all over the place as it has been before. Like with Chloe reading off the numbers and tying in with the scenes of Lex's people capturing Aquaman and Black Canary. Nice shot direction there I thought. Nearly all the cast, minus Tess and Jimmy, wound up in one location at one point in the story which was nice.

The 'epic' orchestra-like scores were used at good times as well I think. In the past they've used it during scenes where it didn't really fit. But tonight the music was, I thought, spot on with the moments they used it for.

Clark felt VERY much like a nascent Superman tonight and that gave me a tremendous feeling. It also was made clear as to why. That Clark had actually done some thinking. It wasn't just a flash point, but more like an epiphany that was made clear. He had been holding onto the past for too long and he knew it was time to leave the farm, so to speak and step out into the big bad world. That 'loft scene' was also well placed I thought.

In fact I only had one placement issue. I think the DP scene with Lois and Clark should have been placed BEFORE the scene with Clark, Arthur, Dinah and Oliver. That scene of Clark walking off into the distance of Metropolis, and the music that went along with that, fit better as the episode's final scene instead of the DP one with Lois. Though I liked both scenes. My only complaint is that they should have been switched around. In fact the JL scene felt SO much like the ending scene that I was like 'what happened to the Clois scene? Did it get cut?' but then we got it after.

Beyond that, I would've like a bit more explanation as to how Clark got hired. There has to be more to it than him just turning in an application, but if it leads to a more matured heroic Clark Kent, like we saw tonight, I'm willing to forego that. I was loving Clark, and Smallville tonight. Very good premiere I think.

[Ilovesuperman21]

I have to say ITA, with OP. The episode was pretty boring. They tried to do too much in one episode. They didn't play out anything we've haven't seen before. (Clark dying and losing his powers the same old, same old. WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. MY GOD COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW ALREADY). And at times certain scenes felt awkward and out of place. For example, the the last scene with Clois. That was totally out of place. It just didn't feel right. Also, the scene with Clark dying and being swift off to the sun and the justice team and Chole and Lois left there at lab all by themselves. How did they escape? I was expecting more action from a season premiere episode. This episode lacked that tremendously. I'm hoping they will get their act together so I won't be disappointed with future episodes this season.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I thought this was one of the best SV Premieres. The only part that I didn't really like was ...welll....none of it. Lol.

But, I do miss Lana and Lex :(

[xaosthry]

I agree with alot of things said here, but there has been worse premiers.
It was way talky and I was wondering when they were going to get around to the action. Even though there was very little of it I have to admit I was impressed. The Clark/Lois banter while saving Chloe, come one it was great. We are starting to see the dynamic between these two that we love.
MM losing his powers, but this is Smallville. They lose and gain powers everyday, he will be back.
Chloe's new power, kind of...well..."hay, lets just throw this in!!!"
But really can't complain, this is a way better power than those frakin green tears of suck.
Lois does look great.
There was alot that went on, alot jammed in a completely different feel, but I'm finally truly hopefull cuz they are going to cut alot of the same old same old we been seeing for the last 7 years, and get to something new.
Last but not least, OMG Clark has his balls back. Even without powers he was willing to save the day. I didn't hear one bit of whining, or moping. The conversation with MM in the loft when he said "you shouldn't have had to save me." I was ready to cheer. (Then again, I was ready to be let down by this episode and was half drunk by the time it started but shhhhhhh)
Hopefull that I will see the Clark I have been missing, "the no excuses, no whining, I have a job to do, lets get it done" Clark that I love.

[SnowBird]

I really enjoyed this episode and watched it twice already. If anyone was bored, I guess they were watching a different show. I didn't miss Lex, Lana or Lionel. Smallville is going in a new direction and I think it's awesome.

[xrayvision]

They should have stretched the events between the first 2 episodes of the season. They still don't realize how great it was the only time they did that in Exile-Phoenix (that storyline actually started in Calling, included Exodus, Exile & Phoenix). It allowed plenty of time for the things to be resolved in a nice, non-rushed manner.

[paolinki25]

Not at all. It was great. Seeing Clark not pining and acting like a love sick puppy is refreshing. Of course, MR is greatly missed, but I'm giving a chance to these new villains.

[Alexander III]

I have to say ITA, with OP. The episode was pretty boring. They tried to do too much in one episode. They didn't play out anything we've haven't seen before. (Clark dying and losing his powers the same old, same old. WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. MY GOD COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW ALREADY). And at times certain scenes felt awkward and out of place. For example, the the last scene with Clois. That was totally out of place. It just didn't feel right. Also, the scene with Clark dying and being swift off to the sun and the justice team and Chole and Lois left there at lab all by themselves. How did they escape? I was expecting more action from a season premiere episode. This episode lacked that tremendously. I'm hoping they will get their act together so I won't be disappointed with future episodes this season.

Finally someone's on the samge page!! :rotfl:

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I really enjoyed this episode and watched it twice already. If anyone was bored, I guess they were watching a different show. I didn't miss Lex, Lana or Lionel. Smallville is going in a new direction and I think it's awesome.

I 4got Lionel's gone too...Lionel....I miss u papa!

[xrayvision]

I really enjoyed this episode and watched it twice already. If anyone was bored, I guess they were watching a different show. I didn't miss Lex, Lana or Lionel. Smallville is going in a new direction and I think it's awesome.

I definitely missed Lex & Lionel. Lionel doesn't seem like he would have a place on this show if he was still alive, unless the Eradicator was introduced and he was possessed by it (which I would have loved).

Lex would have been great this season, especially without Lana. I'll really miss him.

[Alexander III]

I definitely missed Lex & Lionel. Lionel doesn't seem like he would have a place on this show if he was still alive, unless the Eradicator was introduced and he was possessed by it (which I would have loved).

Lex would have been great this season, especially without Lana. I'll really miss him.

Wut's MR doing now anyways?

[xrayvision]

I don't really know. I heard he wanted to do his own comedy style show. But I doubt Dawn Ostroff will let him have a show.

[cousteau]

Wut's MR doing now anyways?

getting a well deserved tan, growing a goatee and some hair :D

[Ilovesuperman21]

This season premiere was boring, and if anyone enjoyed it they must have been watching a different show or they should get their eyes checked because it was a flat out snooze. There should have been more action in it for a season premiere episode. They should have started it off with a bang. After watching the show I felt a HUGE let down.

[susangail]

Sorry, I disagree. I found myself singing Hallelujahs that CK had finally grown a pair. Several potential plot threads started off, and I can't wait for next week!

[superhippie2000]

i thought it was great. only thing i didnt like was the whole control explanation. i mean come on clark losing his powers is controlling him. i mean it didnt have to take an orb and a human to get rid of his powers. jor el has taken clrks powers away before. just didnt make any sense. but other then that i think this season is heading in a good direction. just hope they keep it up and give the season the same overall tone.

[dru-zod2501]

This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(
Yes the dialogues were iffy except for horribly Ollie. Where's Kara, sorry, but this is about Clark and she couldn't be anywhere about her

[Alexander III]

getting a well deserved tan, growing a goatee and some hair :D

Oh heeeeeeeeeeeeeell no!

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Yes the dialogues were iffy except for horribly Ollie. Where's Kara, sorry, but this is about Clark and she couldn't be anywhere about her

Poor baby is still stuck in the phantom zone...I wonder if she has a new look or not (assuming she can't get a new look since she's being prisoned), if Lois has one, Kara should definitely get one too!!

[Ilovebeinglost]

It was great. Finally we are moving on. I'll miss Lex but hey that's life

[Kal26]

I thought this episode was the shiznit!

[tmack09]

Has Smallville lost 1/2 of its audience with the exist of Kristen and Michael? The message board is a poor site compared to what's been like in previous years. I wonder if people were so let down by this episode that they didn't even bother to post on Kryptonsite. I'd be interested in knowing what the ratings were when anyone gets that info. I guarantee that the ratings will sky rocket when KK returns in November. Partly because Clana fans will rally and watch but also because people will want to know what's been up with her for the past few months and why she's back.

I too noticed that this message board is a little silent! I was expecting to come here and get my fill of SV fan opinions...and there seems to be fewer then past seasons!

I can't give a real opinion about this Season opener....I DIDN'T WATCH IT...sry, I am the fan who watches a show because they are a fan of certain actors and actresses...If I want a plot of a story, I'll read a book...OR come on sites like this one and see what you guys have to say, I don't even need to watch it!

There appears to be mixed reviews about this opener...I'm not suprised. It's a completely different show then it was in the past, some don't like changes and perfer to recreate a story that has been told for over 20 years now...but thats just IMHO!

I'm excited for those who FINALLY have their Lois, Clark and DP stuff in SV...enjoy! :cool:

[unfocused]

Wow, 85 votes that disagree with the topic starter :O

[xrayvision]

Sorry, I disagree. I found myself singing Hallelujahs that CK had finally grown a pair. Several potential plot threads started off, and I can't wait for next week!

You mean regrown his pair because he did have a set several seasons ago before Lana became his reason for living.

[unfocused]

Oh yes, he had a pair. And his pair was pretty awesome in the Russia scenes. I loved his "persistence."

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Well I LOVED IT. Finally feels like the show is moving in the right direction and there was a breath of new LIFE put back into it. All the characters seemed more mature and ready to move onto the next stages of their lives. And the fact we had a barn scene with Clark and a ball that WASN'T being tossed about while he moped about something??? Yeah. You know what I'm talkin about here ;)

[Ilovebeinglost]

Did I post here already? I'll say it again loved it loved it. Clark is finally going to be a man, a superman.

[Meteror Freak]

There were definately worse season premiers than this one, so I voted NO. But I agree that season 8 does sound grim. No more LL's except for Lois! My three favorite characters are all gone now, not to mention Kara who was just starting to grow on me! But the Justice League definately saved this premier and there have been ones that were much worse. I thought the episode was actually good, hopefully the rest of the season will be just as good.

[al821]

To me, I think the show is heading in the right direction. Clark leaving the farm and etc.

[Kevin24]

I thought it was a good start to season 8. I wonder where they are going with the whole Chloe storyline.

[Who]

Well it was certainly the most confusing. Clark ends up in Russia with no powers. Chloe now has super intellegence and no healing. Lex is gone without a trace. Kara? Ah well I guess I am being too impatient. We have a whole season to figure it out.

[xrayvision]

As for Chloe, I'm pretty sure you can call her Chloeiac after what happened in Arctic (worst Chloe idea they ever had). Other than that, I liked this episode overall for its great contributions to the Clark Kent character.

[wolverine316]

Awesome season premiere. Clark smiling and he found his balls!!!!!

[Orbital2]

No this episode was as good as it could have been, because of the direction that its indicating the show will go in. Obviously you have to give it a little leniancy due to the fact that they were trying to dig the storyline up out of the complete hole that they dug in season 7

[Clana4Life]

I too noticed that this message board is a little silent! I was expecting to come here and get my fill of SV fan opinions...and there seems to be fewer then past seasons!

I can't give a real opinion about this Season opener....I DIDN'T WATCH IT...sry, I am the fan who watches a show because they are a fan of certain actors and actresses...If I want a plot of a story, I'll read a book...OR come on sites like this one and see what you guys have to say, I don't even need to watch it!

There appears to be mixed reviews about this opener...I'm not suprised. It's a completely different show then it was in the past, some don't like changes and perfer to recreate a story that has been told for over 20 years now...but thats just IMHO!

I'm excited for those who FINALLY have their Lois, Clark and DP stuff in SV...enjoy! :cool:


TMack, will you be watching again during November sweeps when Lana comes back? I'm going to watch a few more episodes to see how it goes before I throw in the towel. I've been watching Smallville for so long now. It's just really a new, different show now. It really should be called Metropolis. A lot of people are raving about this new direction, but Clark just inherited like three sidekicks - Chloe, Lois and Green Arrow. His screen time will have to be shared amongst a lot more people - meaning a lot less him. So either call it Metropolis or "Clark & Friends". That's the way the show is headed. Too many characters. Aarrghh.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

Boring? Boring?! I was on the edge of my seat almost the whole intire time!
Sure, we've had better episodes, but this really wasn't a bad one.

I agree with a lot of others, Clark wasn't mopey for once. That is a definite plus right there! And he was smiling! I can barely remember the last episode he was smiling in.

The characters are moving in a new direction, and now that I've thought it over a little, I think that's great. The show needed change, and here it is.

I missed Lex, but it was refreshing to bring in a new character in his place.
This is going to be a good season, I can tell already.

[Skybound]

CW GIVE US A DA** 90 MIN PREMIERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know your running out of money cause you can't get the demographic right, but christ we Smallvile fans deserve better that 90 mins crammed into 42.

[Clana4Life]

What was the need to use "christ" in that sentence?

[smallvillerocks45]

I thought this premiere was fantastic. It felt natural, and for once we were shown a Clark Kent who is ready to move on. I do wish the episode could have been longer, though, because a lot was going on (not to mention we came back from a shortened season 7- so it wouldn't have hurt). That being said I am extremely pleased with this episode. It set the bar for the rest of the season - which I foresee being very good - and can't wait for next week!

[Québec]

What was the need to use "christ" in that sentence?

What was the need to question his choice of words in your post?

[Clana4Life]

Yeah, it was a regular about-face. Who is this guy? Gotta be Bizarro.

[tmack09]

TMack, will you be watching again during November sweeps when Lana comes back? I'm going to watch a few more episodes to see how it goes before I throw in the towel. I've been watching Smallville for so long now. It's just really a new, different show now. It really should be called Metropolis. A lot of people are raving about this new direction, but Clark just inherited like three sidekicks - Chloe, Lois and Green Arrow. His screen time will have to be shared amongst a lot more people - meaning a lot less him. So either call it Metropolis or "Clark & Friends". That's the way the show is headed. Too many characters. Aarrghh.

Yup Yup...I shall be coming back when Miss.KK/Lana returns! I won't be lost on the story up til there because I have this site to keep me posted. I've already watched the Superman movies, and even watched Lois and Clark the TV show...So I kiiiiiiinda think I know where the basic story goes :lol: same 'ol same 'ol.


Anyways let me stop hatin on the clois, I didn't come on here for that. lol, especially since there is an abundance finally cheering that their moments have finally arrived...I say, albeit sarcastically, "yay for you"

hahaha :rotfl: "Clark and Friends" lmao, thats awesome!

[Clark Kent of Earth]

I disagree completely. I thought this first episode was incredibly entertaining as did my GF who had low expectations for this season b/c she hated 7.

It seems to me that the OP didn't like the episode b/c Lex and Lana are gone.

Edit: Did anyone notice that Lois's face looks a little more "plump"? In season 7 her face seemed too skinny, so I really like the look.

[gkl73]

Guys, guys, guys... are you serious??? I can't believe so many people "loved" this episode. There's no freaking way!!! Where do I start? First off, did you people watch the finale last season??? Why aren't you all pissed about the explanation of "the person who uses the orb will control the traveler"? Clark loses his powers and Lex disappears?? Yeah... looks like Lex sure got to control the traveler... COME ON!! The writers had an entire summer to think about this, and THAT'S what they came up with??? I and some of my friends could do a better job writing this show than them!! They should have had Clark be a mindless Lex-inhabited zombie having his way with the world, using him as his own personal weapon. That at least would have been consistent and entertaining. Secondly, the way he got his powers back. I know everyone's saying he wasn't really human and didn't lose his powers, his battery was just low, he just needed a sun recharge, etc. But really, if an arrow was going to kill him, then flying through space would have, too. Thirdly, imagine I walk into the New York Times with nothing on my resume but that I wrote for the school paper in a Podunk town in Kansas, went to college for a semester then dropped out, and worked on my parents farm... yeah, they'd give me a job right away! How in the heck does Clark get hired at (according to the Smallville/Superman mythos) the biggest and most prestigious newspaper in the WORLD??? Hmmm? And don't just tell me, He's Clark Kent, he has to get hired there... Yeah, I agree!! But maybe in 4 years after he's gone to--oh, I don't know--COLLEGE! And gotten a degree in--let me see--JOURNALISM! This is also the reason it's dumb that Lois is already working there. (Chloe as I understand it was an intern, taking college classes at the same time, so not as dumb for her.) And by the way, since a lot of people have been asking where Kara is, SHE'S IN THE PHANTOM ZONE! Watch the episodes, people. Anyways, I realize I'm in the vast minority here, and I'm not saying it was a "badly done" episode, but I'm pretty sure I've raised very reasonable plot questions here. And I think most people can at least agree with that.

[Ardiem3]

Umm no, this wasnt, it explained alot of things about Season 7, as well as set up alot of things for Season 8. Kara is in the Phantom Zone and its been said that she wouldnt come back until mid-season...

[ClareKent]

This was on of the best season's premieres. I really like, thought there's no MR/Lex, I think the new producers did a really good job with the "new stars" and stories :)

[Ardiem3]

i thought it was great. only thing i didnt like was the whole control explanation. i mean come on clark losing his powers is controlling him. i mean it didnt have to take an orb and a human to get rid of his powers. jor el has taken clrks powers away before. just didnt make any sense. but other then that i think this season is heading in a good direction. just hope they keep it up and give the season the same overall tone.

Yes it did, because if Kal-El was a threat, its not like hed just walk into the Fortress, for Jor-El to take away his powers himself, so with the orb, this would alow for his powers to be taken away by anyone, no matter where he was, if he was a threat.

[unfocused]

Guys, guys, guys... are you serious??? I can't believe so many people "loved" this episode. There's no freaking way!!! Where do I start? First off, did you people watch the finale last season??? Why aren't you all pissed about the explanation of "the person who uses the orb will control the traveler"? Clark loses his powers and Lex disappears?? Yeah... looks like Lex sure got to control the traveler... COME ON!! The writers had an entire summer to think about this, and THAT'S what they came up with??? I and some of my friends could do a better job writing this show than them!! They should have had Clark be a mindless Lex-inhabited zombie having his way with the world, using him as his own personal weapon. That at least would have been consistent and entertaining. Secondly, the way he got his powers back. I know everyone's saying he wasn't really human and didn't lose his powers, his battery was just low, he just needed a sun recharge, etc. But really, if an arrow was going to kill him, then flying through space would have, too. Thirdly, imagine I walk into the New York Times with nothing on my resume but that I wrote for the school paper in a Podunk town in Kansas, went to college for a semester then dropped out, and worked on my parents farm... yeah, they'd give me a job right away! How in the heck does Clark get hired at (according to the Smallville/Superman mythos) the biggest and most prestigious newspaper in the WORLD??? Hmmm? And don't just tell me, He's Clark Kent, he has to get hired there... Yeah, I agree!! But maybe in 4 years after he's gone to--oh, I don't know--COLLEGE! And gotten a degree in--let me see--JOURNALISM! This is also the reason it's dumb that Lois is already working there. (Chloe as I understand it was an intern, taking college classes at the same time, so not as dumb for her.) And by the way, since a lot of people have been asking where Kara is, SHE'S IN THE PHANTOM ZONE! Watch the episodes, people. Anyways, I realize I'm in the vast minority here, and I'm not saying it was a "badly done" episode, but I'm pretty sure I've raised very reasonable plot questions here. And I think most people can at least agree with that.

Ah, but you forget. Last seasons finale was the official AlMiles exit. This seasons producers have some cleaning up to do in terms of fixing the mistakes that AlMiles left behind for them.

You do make good points. But I'd REALLY rather see the AlMiles leftovers scrapped as soon as possible (even at the risk of not making sense) so the new producers can begin with their own stories and give us a good and possibly final year.

Don't you agree? :)

[Kal26]

I have to say no. I realize the question wasn't directed toward me, but I for one haven't spent all this time watching and loving this show, to see everything just get thrown out the window so new people can do what they want. I don't think that's what we'll get either. As far as I knew, the new producers aren't really that new. They may be new to having total creative control, but from what I understood they've been working on the show for some time. I hope they continue to go in the direction they're going, and continue to stay true to the origins of the show. I think that's what they will do. I certainly don't want them to change things in ways that don't make sense just to "clean up" something that some may consider a mess, but I feel has been pure genius. They have a great story to continue, and finish, I hope they do it justice, and do it right.

[kszonew]

Maybe not boring, but not the best season premiere. Personally, I don't think any of the first episodes are bad, but this one would rank lowest.

I'll be honest. I'm not comic book geek or a Superman fan per say. I prefer darker superheros like Batman, not the "straighter edged" ones like Superman. Perhaps that was the appeal of Smallville from the start. The concept of Clark Kent once being best friends with his future rival. Lex's path into evil. Clark being good, but making mistakes and having to become the hero he's destined to be. Original characters like Chloe and Lionel that were well written and, personally, way more interesting than DC Character of the Week. A show that could still be original, but yet pay homage to the source material and DC universe. It was a show that someone who was into the comics could like. But someone who was a moderate fan, or not a fan, could still get into it and appreciate.

I like the direction the premiere set things in. Clark has grown up. Chloe has grown up. Lois is falling for Clark. Tess could be interesting. I just hope Michael agrees to return for an episode or few, or else things just won't come full circle at the end without Lex. But the episode itself was just there. Not awful, but very different and that can be very hard to digest after 7 years of familar. I can understand why some feel it's a whole new show and aren't crazy about it. I myself have some doubts. I kind of hope people that enjoyed it did because it told a good story to them, and didn't like it just because "so and so" wasn't there or together. I mean, if they did, to each their own. But I've seen other forums where things seem to trend, so it's nice to see that here there is at least a variety of opions on why people liked, didn't like, etc.

I lived through a number of shows that had "new starts". Earth: Final Conflict comes to mind, and like Smallville, often had "new revelations" to begin a new storyline, and then they tried to bring seasons and seasons together. I don't think that show handled it well, whereas, like Veritas or not, some of the stuff was in the background before. Be in the online or deleted stuff, there were hints.

Anyway, its a different show in many ways now. A good direction they are headed in, let's hope it keeps up while still paying homage to the previous 7 - leading to a great end (or beginning).

[unfocused]

I have to say no. I realize the question wasn't directed toward me, but I for one haven't spent all this time watching and loving this show, to see everything just get thrown out the window so new people can do what they want. I don't think that's what we'll get either. As far as I knew, the new producers aren't really that new. They may be new to having total creative control, but from what I understood they've been working on the show for some time. I hope they continue to go in the direction they're going, and continue to stay true to the origins of the show. I think that's what they will do. I certainly don't want them to change things in ways that don't make sense just to "clean up" something that some may consider a mess, but I feel has been pure genius. They have a great story to continue, and finish, I hope they do it justice, and do it right.

Veritas had the convenience of prewritten ties to previous seasons, but the introduction of "a way to control the Traveler" is a fairly new idea that became the backbone of the Veritas storyline but was never really fully thought out. This being made evident in Odyssey whereas the new producers had almost nothing to work with and probably felt there were better stories to tell with VERY little time to tell them.

One mistake of the AlMiles reign in the past few seasons is that they intentionally held the character back. So forgive me if I'm happy that the new producers want to undue that nonsense and take him forward.

I only liked the Veritas storyline because it helped Lex into his descent and showed us how obsessive, evil and cynical he could actually become. But he was just way too involved into the V story, and AlMiles knew Rosenbaum wasn't going to stick around for another season. So it was really foolish to actually finish season seven without finishing the storyline that Lex was NOT going to be in for season eight. How is Lex supposed to control Clark if he isn't even in the show anymore? There is no way, so how can you blame PS3 for changing the story when that original story had no possible ending.

This is AlMiles' fault. Don't blame PS3 for not wanting to waste the little time they have in the drivers seat on an extremely large, unfinished, plothole-ridden storyline.

Also, the new producers have been writing Smallville episodes since season one. But season eight, I believe, is their first chance at actually deciding what to write about.

[coco#1]

last years was the best season premier ever.i voted yes but i did enjoy myself while watching it.i love smallville so its all good when you get right down too it

[chlarked_foever89]

yeah i totally agree. the ideas were really good and it made me excited for the future episode but all in all it was the most actionless premiere ever!

[unfocused]

The Clark and Oliver fight was pretty nice. I think Ollie won that fake fight, lol.

[maddib]

it was good, not great but good. Would actually rank as the worst of all the premieres to me, but then all previous seasons set high standards. Still think it should have been stretched into a two parter, with the cliffhanger being Clarks dying. Why haven't they learned from the Exile/Phoenix from a couple of years ago. They could've also used the second parter to mention Karas disappearance (but maybe that may pop up in the next week or two). Still think they need to mention her as soon as possible, given how this board noticed how Bizarro brushed off the 'nothing else I could do to find her' explanation last season as something CK would never do.

And we did get a mention of Lana twice, my fear was that when CK started talking about her he was going to repress back into his depressive puppy dog-like state. And no sign of Shellby when back in the barn. Was also hoping that when MM handed him his red jacket he was going to use his heat vision to incinerate it, new season, new CK, new wardrobe start (although I know, looking at that still on the front page, this comes later in the season).

A decent start though, and hopefully Clarks new outlook on life will remain for the reason of the season.

[xrayvision]

Veritas had the convenience of prewritten ties to previous seasons, but the introduction of "a way to control the Traveler" is a fairly new idea that became the backbone of the Veritas storyline but was never really fully thought out. This being made evident in Odyssey whereas the new producers had almost nothing to work with and probably felt there were better stories to tell with VERY little time to tell them.

One mistake of the AlMiles reign in the past few seasons is that they intentionally held the character back. So forgive me if I'm happy that the new producers want to undue that nonsense and take him forward.

I only liked the Veritas storyline because it helped Lex into his descent and showed us how obsessive, evil and cynical he could actually become. But he was just way too involved into the V story, and AlMiles knew Rosenbaum wasn't going to stick around for another season. So it was really foolish to actually finish season seven without finishing the storyline that Lex was NOT going to be in for season eight. How is Lex supposed to control Clark if he isn't even in the show anymore? There is no way, so how can you blame PS3 for changing the story when that original story had no possible ending.

This is AlMiles' fault. Don't blame PS3 for not wanting to waste the little time they have in the drivers seat on an extremely large, unfinished, plothole-ridden storyline.

Also, the new producers have been writing Smallville episodes since season one. But season eight, I believe, is their first chance at actually deciding what to write about.

Very nicely said. The problem is Al/Miles never thought things over, knew that MR was leaving, and still decided to do such a storyline that required Lex's continued presence to work. It just seems to me they were hell-bent on doing Veritas even though it didn't make sense & contradicted itself and even though the central character wouldn't be around. They weren't responsible like they should have been. Anyone who would have taken a real good look at the situation in season 7 with the strike, with Lex leaving, and with the facts presented as they were and the new facts that would now be contradicting them would have backed out and resorted to a plan B.

My plan (on seperating Clark's Kal-El side from Clark) would have worked because it would have allowed Lex to actually see his mortal enemy and avoid all this Traveler stuff. We would actually see Lex's reaction knowing his time to prepare for Naman (an alien visitor) was up. Just think of how evil Lex could have been written had they stressed his realization that Naman (who would have been Kal-El in costume---which I have a long explanation for) was on Earth. Lex's schemes would have taken away all his prior inhibitions in holding back and put him on full throttle. And by having both Kal-El & Clark around, Lex could have been fooled into thinking that Clark was not Naman. His absence in season 8 could have been explained by his perception of thinking he killed Naman, when it would have really been Clark who defeated his Kal-El side at the start of the season 8 premiere, causing Lex to get away for a while so that all the evil things he would have done in the process would not be blamed on him, in order to make his future run for US President possible. Then in the future when he would notice Superman (who he would equate with the same Kal-El in costume he saw earlier) around, he would understand that his perceptions of killing Naman were wrong and he would come back to Metropolis for the return of his mortal enemy.

[SuperShazam!!]

It was awesome!

[Theshadow129x]

this was a bad episode. acting blew. the plot was waaay too convienient and did nothing new in terms of story. Clark loses his powers only for them to be given back. it was just terrible. i know there was really no way for them to come back from the way season 7 ended but this was terrible. seriously. the plot, acting, and everything else was too cheesy. oh and cassidy freeman isnt very good at acting. she isnt even in the same league as lex, hell no one is so to say shes more deceptive than him is an overstatement. seriously. 3 out of 10

[Kal-ed]

I just thought it would take more then a pile of bills to save clark.


Actually I was pleasently surprised a pille of bills was NOT all it took to save Clark, they had the acting thing going on, nice plan actually, IMO in AlMIles era Ollie would have just walked in and bought him as a slave as if it were a normal thing, this time they took the time to have them fake a fight to justify Ollie taking Clark.

[Theshadow129x]

Yeah but just like Almiles the fact that Ollie showed up at Clark's convience was really lame. and then they just made Ollie show up to just save Clark, no indication of how he found him or whatever...also wtf didnt that exec to Lex just use the serum stuff on AC and BC to get the answers and only used it on Arrow? That whole thing there lacked common sense and then why the freak is Green Arrow and company killing people at a research site who is looking or their boss? That made me upset. it was horrible these guys arent heroes.....

[unfocused]

they took the time to have them fake a fight

Yeah, and I enjoyed that fake fight.

[Kal-ed]

this was a bad episode. acting blew. the plot was waaay too convienient and did nothing new in terms of story. Clark loses his powers only for them to be given back. it was just terrible. i know there was really no way for them to come back from the way season 7 ended but this was terrible. seriously. the plot, acting, and everything else was too cheesy. oh and cassidy freeman isnt very good at acting. she isnt even in the same league as lex, hell no one is so to say shes more deceptive than him is an overstatement. seriously. 3 out of 10

Cmon you cant say this (the bolded part) and then give em crap for not doing a better job. They leave Clark with Lex in the artic under tons of ice and inhuman temperatures, Chloe taken by someone, Lana gone, AlMiles managed to make MR so jaded that he couldnt wait to move on to the next thing, what did you really expect, Cassidy to fill in MR´s shoes, its never going to happen, its not even about her acting skills or her script, its simply that MR´s Lex was too damn good for anything to fill in his shoes, so no reason to expect anyone to do it, they did the best they could with what they were dealth, which was very little and what very little they had was horrible and they did a great job. Clark is finally taking the step people wanted him to and now its "too convinient", Clark lost his powers and got them back, well what did you expect a powerless Superman?? Acting, I dont see how its any better or worse than what we´ve seen before except a Tom who actually looks like his, for the first time in years, enojoying what his doing.

I respect that you didn like it, I just cant fully understand your reasons.

[unfocused]

The acting was great, especially the scenes with Clark and Lois. Really good chemistry. And when the league gets together, it's just fun to watch how they can easily communicate and work off each other as if they have really been working together offscreen a lot.

[Kal-ed]

Yeah but just like Almiles the fact that Ollie showed up at Clark's convience was really lame. and then they just made Ollie show up to just save Clark, no indication of how he found him or whatever...also wtf didnt that exec to Lex just use the serum stuff on AC and BC to get the answers and only used it on Arrow? That whole thing there lacked common sense and then why the freak is Green Arrow and company killing people at a research site who is looking or their boss? That made me upset. it was horrible these guys arent heroes.....

True that, an "anonimus" tip by MM, wouldnt have been a bad idea, since MM is always monitoring Clark but hey, if they actually explained everything that happened it would have taken a two part episode and I think that TPTB´s main intention with this premier was to get over with as much as posible of what AlMiles left them so they can move on to what they´ve got planned and start building up their new plot ideas, Im kind of glad, I wouldnt want them wasting 2 or 3 epis wrapping up the mess AlMiles left behind, if they can just use one and move on to newer better things, like Clark actively being a hero, finally as a reporter, etc, specialy if this is going to be the last season, no time or epis to waste on yesterdays garbage.

[Titch22]

Definetley one of the best openers they have ever done. The characters were great, the writing was on top form. I loved it.

Seeing the JL in action made me very happy as did the new direction for Dinah. Lois rocked and her interaction with Clark is looking to make for a great season. I don't know what to make of Tess yet which is definetley good. And though Lex wasn't there you could feel his presense in the whole ep through.

My only gripe would be the chlo-lo. They had the opportunity for them to really reconnect. Show Chloes concern for her injured cousion. But they missed it.

Over all I loved it.

[unfocused]

^^Agreed.

Lol Lois gets knocked out and Chloe ignores it.

[Theshadow129x]

Cmon you cant say this (the bolded part) and then give em crap for not doing a better job. They leave Clark with Lex in the artic under tons of ice and inhuman temperatures, Chloe taken by someone, Lana gone, AlMiles managed to make MR so jaded that he couldnt wait to move on to the next thing, what did you really expect, Cassidy to fill in MR´s shoes, its never going to happen, its not even about her acting skills or her script, its simply that MR´s Lex was too damn good for anything to fill in his shoes, so no reason to expect anyone to do it, they did the best they could with what they were dealth, which was very little and what very little they had was horrible and they did a great job. Clark is finally taking the step people wanted him to and now its "too convinient", Clark lost his powers and got them back, well what did you expect a powerless Superman?? Acting, I dont see how its any better or worse than what we´ve seen before except a Tom who actually looks like his, for the first time in years, enojoying what his doing.

I respect that you didn like it, I just cant fully understand your reasons.

I thik they they just could have done better than go down the same paths they've gone down before. Clark ALWAYS loses his powers in premieres only for there to be a loop hole to them being returned to him either by the end of the episode or a few episodes later. its nothing new and by now its not surprising. Also, when i saidit was convenient that Clark got rescued like he did it just wasn't any spectaclar. it would have been nice if Clark found a way to escape and then got Ollie to come get him. that would have been nice instead of someone once again bailing this guy out every 2 seconds.

They did the best with what they got but its not saying alot. The acting was actually very low and there were things in the dialogue in the story that bothered me. Like Green Arrow saying Clark wouldnt give up on them so they couldnt give up on him either. How cold they say that really? Clark wasn't concerned about these guys unless they were in town other than that he didnt give two squats about them. Thats the Clark Kent we've seen on this show. Also MM saying he didnt have powers anymore after the sun thing...so if thats the case how the heck did you guys get back and you're still in hman form because we've seen him in season 6 as a silhouette of his martian form so why is he still in human form while his powers are gone...hmm seems to be a plot problem there.

and the cassidy freeman girl...im sorry but her acting was just flat ot bad along with the girl that was playing Black Canary. just really bad acting. Tess Mercer is a character that has the dialogue of a mild lex luthor before he hit his stride but the girl playing the part seems completely wooden they are better off putting a 2x4 plank of wood there and drawing a face on it with a red wig for the character. maybe this will change later but i didnt think this girl was good.

Also...this was a clear indication in this episode that the team that was on the show wasnt the justice league seeing as it was disbanded. and i say good riddance. they were destroying buildings and killing people...this is not the Justice League I know.

[Jaderoyale]

I loved it.

[Gspokesman]

Was the episode bad? No. But it's definitely the worst of the series if you think about all the past season premieres. No way it beats Bizarro, Arrival, or any of the others. And I'm sorry I do miss Lana and Lex a lot I still like Smallville but it feels more like it's changed into something completely different than season 1 rather than grow and develop but with everything that's happened maybe this is inevitable.

[smallv17]

It was one of the Best premieres!!!

[Yasise]

Yeah. I just hope they still have a good deal of scenes in Smallville so that the name of the show stays true.

That's my wish, too.


I'm sure they will but I think that the show should be named "Metropolis". Clark is at the DP now and you could still have scenes in Smallville while changing the name to Metropolis.

"Smallville" can never change into "Metropolis", even if there is not a single scene in Smallville anymore. "Smallville" will stay "Smallville" till it ends one day - hopefully after season 8. As far as I understand, this season will be more like "Lois and Clark" than "Smallville", but let's wait and see.



They should have stretched the events between the first 2 episodes of the season. They still don't realize how great it was the only time they did that in Exile-Phoenix (that storyline actually started in Calling, included Exodus, Exile & Phoenix). It allowed plenty of time for the things to be resolved in a nice, non-rushed manner.

I'm totally with you here. Two episodes or a 90 minutes long premiere would have been better IMO.


i thought it was great. only thing i didnt like was the whole control explanation. i mean come on clark losing his powers is controlling him. i mean it didnt have to take an orb and a human to get rid of his powers. jor el has taken clrks powers away before. just didnt make any sense. but other then that i think this season is heading in a good direction. just hope they keep it up and give the season the same overall tone.

Maybe the whole "control the traveler" story was passed through wrongly throughout the years and people changed some details. Maybe that orb thing was never ment to actually control the traveler but to strip him off his powers, so that he can't be a danger to the humans anymore.

Or maybe stripping Clark off of his powers, was to save him from being controlled by Lex, as in "no powers, no need for anyone to control Clark".

Well, these are only my poor thoughts about it, of course :)


You mean regrown his pair because he did have a set several seasons ago before Lana became his reason for living.

:lol:


Guys, guys, guys... are you serious??? I can't believe so many people "loved" this episode. There's no freaking way!!! Where do I start? First off, did you people watch the finale last season??? Why aren't you all pissed about the explanation of "the person who uses the orb will control the traveler"? Clark loses his powers and Lex disappears?? Yeah... looks like Lex sure got to control the traveler... COME ON!! The writers had an entire summer to think about this, and THAT'S what they came up with??? I and some of my friends could do a better job writing this show than them!! They should have had Clark be a mindless Lex-inhabited zombie having his way with the world, using him as his own personal weapon. That at least would have been consistent and entertaining. Secondly, the way he got his powers back. I know everyone's saying he wasn't really human and didn't lose his powers, his battery was just low, he just needed a sun recharge, etc. But really, if an arrow was going to kill him, then flying through space would have, too. Thirdly, imagine I walk into the New York Times with nothing on my resume but that I wrote for the school paper in a Podunk town in Kansas, went to college for a semester then dropped out, and worked on my parents farm... yeah, they'd give me a job right away! How in the heck does Clark get hired at (according to the Smallville/Superman mythos) the biggest and most prestigious newspaper in the WORLD??? Hmmm? And don't just tell me, He's Clark Kent, he has to get hired there... Yeah, I agree!! But maybe in 4 years after he's gone to--oh, I don't know--COLLEGE! And gotten a degree in--let me see--JOURNALISM! This is also the reason it's dumb that Lois is already working there. (Chloe as I understand it was an intern, taking college classes at the same time, so not as dumb for her.) And by the way, since a lot of people have been asking where Kara is, SHE'S IN THE PHANTOM ZONE! Watch the episodes, people. Anyways, I realize I'm in the vast minority here, and I'm not saying it was a "badly done" episode, but I'm pretty sure I've raised very reasonable plot questions here. And I think most people can at least agree with that.

Well well well, ....I really hear you and actually I've the same thoughts, especially concerning Clark getting that job at the DP so fast and whithout any problems and even without having finished College ans so on......you're totally right there, I'm totally with you.
That's a big, black hole and I'm afraid this problem will never be solved.
As far as I remember, all the other Superman's had a decent education, may it be College or at least Jor-El's training...but this is "Smallville" and I guess we have to live with "our" not so much trained and or educated Clark Kent / Superman. There's obviously no need for this Clark Kent to have diplomas or whatever....sooooo :(


I loved it.

I'm not so sure about whether I loved it or not, I'm still trying to figure that out. Maybe I had to rewatch it?
But right now, after having seen it once, I can't say, that it swept me off of my feet.
It was not that bad, but it wasn't sooooo amazing either for me.

As xrayvision said it before, it would have been better to have a two episode premiere, because it was really so much stuff in too less time. It felt rushed and not so much explained, IMO.

[baltazor]

It was a good episode. It had a lot of ground to cover and little time to do it. I think they did ok this time. Do not forget that season premiers depend on last season's finale, so they were a little handicap there...

[Timester]

This is very simple, just look what the new producers had to done:

- Cleaning up AlMiles' mess with Veritas.
- Dealing with new characters.
- Moving on the show without Lex and Lana.
- Finally growing up the characters, especially Clark.

For what the premiere represented, with was an extremelly well planed and mature writed episode. Yes, there are plot holes galore, but the mess left was so deep...

[superhippie2000]

Yes it did, because if Kal-El was a threat, its not like hed just walk into the Fortress, for Jor-El to take away his powers himself, so with the orb, this would alow for his powers to be taken away by anyone, no matter where he was, if he was a threat.
ya but its just taking away his powers thats not much controlling. its just taking away his powers.

[costas22]

Was it the best season premiere?No.Was it refreshing?Definitely.It bothered me that there were plotholes(Ollie finding Clark out of nowhere) but overall it was something new.I think that the major difference is the fire that has been lit under Clark's butt.It makes you want to watch the show because there is a hero in it.Lastly,i believe that the season will suffer in terms of acting quality.With Lex and Lionel gone,we lost the best 2 actors on the show.Cassidy was a bit wooden but i haven't seen her before so i won't judge her.Once the show takes us deep inside her character's mind,i expect her acting to pick up pace.Give this show a chance people.

[stenochick]

Wasn't completely boring but wasn't the bomb like Arrival or Zod either. Kinda weird not seeing the Gough/Millar credit at the very end.
Wonder who the girl is in next episode?

I don't want to give away any spoilers in a non-spoiler thread, but the name of the episode is Plastique. If you google "Plastique" or look it up on wikipedia, you will find out who that girl is in the next episode.

[quietone]

This season premiere had a different feel to it and that's a good thing. I'm just excited that we will be getting a proactive Clark and TW looks gorgeous.

[Super Maverick]

I think it was good, it was fun to watch, but story-wise...erh, pretty bad. There' already huge plot holes, things not explained, etc, etc.

[DontCha]

One of the best opener's ever. It was great to have no sign of Lana.

well...there was...a little bit.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

The season premiere was refreshing IMO & certainly not boring.

[Super Maverick]

yes agreed, not boring at all, very fun and entertining, but as i've stated maybe a coupel plot holes here and there

[Yasise]

............and TW looks gorgeous.

yeah, so true *sigh* he's sooooo gorgeous, sexy, cute........sorry, I had to stop myself here, as this is obviously not the "I adore Tom Welling" thread :o I know, I know, I'm sorry for being off-topic again...:o

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yes agreed, not boring at all, very fun and entertining, but as i've stated maybe a coupel plot holes here and there

yeah, unfortunately. I hate those plot holes :(

[stenochick]

I think there was a lot more adult/intelligent writing in this premiere than there has been in others. As always though it seemed to be trying to do too much in one episode. Seems to be a chronic problem in SV premieres, but I actually liked this one a lot.

We even got to see Lex, Martha and Lana in the lead up scenes. I thought they'd leave them out of it because they aren't in the season, well one of them is but much later. Then Clark saw Lana and his Mother before he died and one of the scenes was at Jonathan's funeral. That was a nice touch.

Which later lead to him saying that he'd written eulogies but he never really let go. That was a nice line and he embraced his destiny all of his own accord. Then Martian Manhunter handed him his red jacket as if, to me anyway, symbolizing the red cape of Superman. VERY nice scene.

I don't know, but I actually thought the writing was a lot tighter in this episode and less all over the place as it has been before. Like with Chloe reading off the numbers and tying in with the scenes of Lex's people capturing Aquaman and Black Canary. Nice shot direction there I thought. Nearly all the cast, minus Tess and Jimmy, wound up in one location at one point in the story which was nice.

The 'epic' orchestra-like scores were used at good times as well I think. In the past they've used it during scenes where it didn't really fit. But tonight the music was, I thought, spot on with the moments they used it for.

Clark felt VERY much like a nascent Superman tonight and that gave me a tremendous feeling. It also was made clear as to why. That Clark had actually done some thinking. It wasn't just a flash point, but more like an epiphany that was made clear. He had been holding onto the past for too long and he knew it was time to leave the farm, so to speak and step out into the big bad world. That 'loft scene' was also well placed I thought.

In fact I only had one placement issue. I think the DP scene with Lois and Clark should have been placed BEFORE the scene with Clark, Arthur, Dinah and Oliver. That scene of Clark walking off into the distance of Metropolis, and the music that went along with that, fit better as the episode's final scene instead of the DP one with Lois. Though I liked both scenes. My only complaint is that they should have been switched around. In fact the JL scene felt SO much like the ending scene that I was like 'what happened to the Clois scene? Did it get cut?' but then we got it after.

Beyond that, I would've like a bit more explanation as to how Clark got hired. There has to be more to it than him just turning in an application, but if it leads to a more matured heroic Clark Kent, like we saw tonight, I'm willing to forego that. I was loving Clark, and Smallville tonight. Very good premiere I think.

Very well stated. There was nothing inherently wrong with the episode. It's just that it could not be told as well as it could in just 40 minutes. If they had stretched it to two episodes they would have had more time to tell the story of Clark hiking through the Arctic without his powers, being put on the fishing boat, and ending up in a Russian work camp. The Chloe plot seemed to flow well for me, but the Clark plot needed more scenes to flesh it out. But that's just my opinion.

I laughed when the epic Superman score played in the background when MM gave Clark his red jacket back and Clark put it on because I have wanted to burn that thing for a year now. But I totally get the symbolism of it being like the Superman cape. And I loved the dialogue between MM and Clark. It did not feel like a lightswitch. I totally believed that Clark had finally mourned his dad and his chances at a normal, anonymous life as a Kansas farmer, and was ready to move on and become a "superhero."

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What was the need to use "christ" in that sentence?

I guess they are confusing Dawn Ofstroff with Jesus. :lol:

[Kreukie]

I've came to realize that every premiere of Smallville the majority of people will say how great the premiere it is regardless if it's not, truly. To then admit to the truth of how they really felt about it more down the line.

It's the fresh factor.

Perfect example of this is in the "Best Season Premiere of the Series?" thread, last night premiere is winning in that poll.

Really? Last night premiere is better than any other season premiere in the history of Smallville? Honestly? Hope to die, stick a needle in your eye? :lol:

Topic opener, don't sweat it!

[Timester]

Really? Last night premiere is better than any other season premiere in the history of Smallville? Honestly? Hope to die, stick a needle in your eye? :lol:

Yes, because your opinion > all other opinions.

:rolleyes:

[Kreukie]

Yes, because your opinion > all other opinions.

Well, if you think so...then thank you. :p

But I didn't say that, but I still really highly doubt people truly think last nights episode is the best premiere in the history of Smallville.

Just look at the other "Best Season Premiere of the Series?" or "RATE IT" or " Love it or Hate it" threads on this forum for other premieres and you'll see that the fresh factor always applies:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78751

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41848

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61517

Yet, looking through this thread I see many people saying that some of those same premieres weren't that great, even though looking at those polls you would assume otherwise.


:rolleyes:

Why are you looking up? :rotfl:

[eas]

Very well stated. There was nothing inherently wrong with the episode. It's just that it could not be told as well as it could in just 40 minutes. If they had stretched it to two episodes they would have had more time to tell the story of Clark hiking through the Arctic without his powers, being put on the fishing boat, and ending up in a Russian work camp. The Chloe plot seemed to flow well for me, but the Clark plot needed more scenes to flesh it out. But that's just my opinion.

I laughed when the epic Superman score played in the background when MM gave Clark his red jacket back and Clark put it on because I have wanted to burn that thing for a year now. But I totally get the symbolism of it being like the Superman cape. And I loved the dialogue between MM and Clark. It did not feel like a lightswitch. I totally believed that Clark had finally mourned his dad and his chances at a normal, anonymous life as a Kansas farmer, and was ready to move on and become a "superhero."


That's EXACTLY how I felt!!! I felt that the Clark scenes were few and far between & a bit abrupt and choppy.

But the Chloe scenes worked well. (But, seriously, Chloe, you couldn't tell it wasn't the DDS? C'mon now....)

And the whole thing with red cape... I was cracking up, too, because I also have wanted to burn that thing for years & I laughed at the melodramatic moment... which was nothing more than him putting on his jacket. A jacket that is exactly the same as one my son had when he was 3. :lol:

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Well, if you think so...then thank you. :p

But I didn't say that, but I really highly doubt people truly think last nights episode is the best premiere in the history of Smallville.

Just look at the other "Best Season Premiere of the Series?" or "RATE IT" or " Love it or Hate it" threads on this forum for other premieres and you'll see the fresh factor always applies:

For me, there is only one season premiere that is the "best" and nothing has ever topped it. That would S1 - Pilot.

Usually, I see the season premiere of each season (from S2-8) as being the 2nd part of a 2-part episode.

This one was a very good season premiere... it's not the best ever. I had thought that "Crusade" was very good. I think "Crusade" might have been better than this one. But I do think that this one was better than "Zod" and the one from S7.

I think, for me, the Superman/JL fangirl in me was just very happy with this episode because it was good fun.

The "mock fight" with Ollie and Clark... and how Clark says, "What took you so long?" I loved it. How Ollie basically says, "Clark, you're... um... useless." I thought that it was well done... I love situations where Clark loses his powers and proves to people that he's more than just brawn and that he has courage and stamina that exists outside of his powers. (I don't like it when he loses his powers and then waxes poetic about how awesome it is to be normal.)

I also liked that the JL meeting on the street. Massive shades of "JLU:TAS". I completely agree with everyone who thought that the Clark and Lois scene should have come before that scene. The episode should have ended on that note: The note that Clark watched his friends walk away and then he straightened his shoulders... walking into the world with a proactive step towards his future.

In fact, if I had a choice, I wouldn't have put the DP scene in, at all. My guess is that they were so eager to show Clark's progress in episode 1, that they decided to throw in the DP scene, too. It would have worked better if 8.02 opened with Clark interviewing for the position and being handed his name-plate... which would then lead into him going by Lois's desk to tell her the good news.

[stenochick]

I just watched Odyssey again, and I must say, it is sooo much better the second time around. However, I still stand by my critique of it needing to be longer in order to flesh out the Clark story.

For some reason, during the first viewing it felt choppy, but the second time, it flowed better. This is totally my perception, of course. Part of it could be because I watched the four clips on youtube along with all the promo trailers.

After seeing that many scenes, there was not much more meat left on the bone for me to watch for the first time. I will be much more careful when it comes to spoilers going forward.

[eas]

Was the episode bad? No. But it's definitely the worst of the series if you think about all the past season premieres. No way it beats Bizarro, Arrival, or any of the others. And I'm sorry I do miss Lana and Lex a lot I still like Smallville but it feels more like it's changed into something completely different than season 1 rather than grow and develop but with everything that's happened maybe this is inevitable.

I can't say I miss Lana... but I DO miss Lex. A lot.

And, of course, it seems different from previous seasons... you can't change about 70% of your cast and not have their be a difference. Lex is gone. Lana is gone. Lionel is gone. Martha is gone.

That's a lot of people who used to help keep the monotony....oh, sorry... continuity of the show alive.

Personally, I think the show has been ready for this sort of over-haul (particularly in relation to Clark's character) for about 4 seasons, now. S5-S7 were more bad than good.

If this is what it takes - an episode where Clark is kind of kicked awake - then I'll take it. Do I wish it more gradual and that S5-7 had given us this gradual story? Yes. But I'll take what I can get now in S8.

[Jaded Wolf]

The most boring season premiere for this show was last season and also season 6. This made up for them.

[margroks]

No Lana is always great but obviously the EDL pimpage has turned people off. Apparently ratings for the ep show many people agreed that it was the worst opener ever. People don't want poor substitutes for the real deal here. We don't want Tess, we want Lex and Clark and without Chloe at the DP, the real reporter here, it's just not good enough. The story ideas we're hearing make little sense and people won;t stand for it. WE want our show back, the story they claimed they were going to tell seven years ago and not this mishmash where Clark is suddenly hired into the DP with no experience after HS and EDL is somehow still there after sleeping with her boss and never publishing an article. Who wants to watch that?

[Tacitus]

I'm insulted. You forgot to say that she's a college drop out! I insist that you edit your post and include that very important fact.

[TomFanSpace]

I love Smallville enough to give the season a chance, but I was sadly disappointed with the premiere for a lot of different reasons.

[Forever Lex]

I gotta say it.... YEAH, pretty boring. And WHY would that BE exactly? Who are we kidding? Smallville with no Lana is perfectly OK with me... but NO LEX? :( Arrrrrgggghhhhh!~ AND no Lionel.... (of course I know he was gone last season, but still...)

And WHO is this pathetic "Tess" person? :\

I'm just not sure this season is going to work for me AT ALL.

But it WAS nice to see "Green Arrow" back. . . . and OMG, Lois is looking SO fine. ;)

And what's this? Clark FINALLY going to work at TDP? Bout time! - but wow... that scene? I think that would have made a GREAT "last scene" of the last episode of the series. It just seems like a good place for Smallville to leave off, IMHO. Then again, this season has just started..... so we'll see. :D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I found myself missing MR LV and for some reason KK. I guess you get use to seeing them on the show and when they're not it feels different. Not in a bad way though.

[Theshadow129x]

it was the worst of all the premieres plain and simple so whatever. i'll give this season 1 more go next week and if that episode sux im done with this show.

[Yasise]

I can't say I miss Lana... but I DO miss Lex. A lot. .

Yeah, me, too. MR always did a fantastic job as Lex.


And, of course, it seems different from previous seasons... you can't change about 70% of your cast and not have their be a difference. Lex is gone. Lana is gone. Lionel is gone. Martha is gone. .

Well. Martha's gone since season 6.

[unfocused]

I don't miss Lana because I'm hoping Kristen Kreuk is having a good time and helping her career with her new movie. I wish her the best.

It was in great part Michael Rosenbaum's fault that Lex's ending was so terrible, so I can't miss MR or Lex. He can go. Buhbye. On with the show.

I'm going to miss John Glover and Lionel the most. Glover was definitely the best actor in this show, IMHO. MR was a close second.



i'll give this season 1 more go next week and if that episode sux im done with this show.Promise?

[Smallville6]

It sucked that Lex wasnt there.
Like really, really sucked.
But the episode itself didnt!
Lex gone is the only complaint I have, and we all knew thats how it would be.
I didnt think it was boring at all, I though it was great! One of my favorite episodes now!

[Theshadow129x]

I don't miss Lana because I'm hoping Kristen Kreuk is having a good time and helping her career with her new movie. I wish her the best.

It was in great part Michael Rosenbaum's fault that Lex's ending was so terrible, so I can't miss MR or Lex. He can go. Buhbye. On with the show.

I'm going to miss John Glover and Lionel the most. Glover was definitely the best actor in this show, IMHO. MR was a close second.


Promise?

promise what? that i'll give it one more go or that i will quit for good?

as far as MR goes, it wasnt his fault LEx's story wasnt completed he was saying for years that once his contract expired he wouldnt renew it, they had more than enough time to end his arc the right way but they just wrote it off they could have done better. Lex was one of the best things about the show and the fact that he isnt around kind of hurts the show.

[unfocused]

Kind of hurts the show? Without great acting like that and that great character, sadly, it's going to hurt the show a lot. And I do blame him for this. Him and of course AlMiles.

I blame AlMiles because they knew he wasn't coming back, they knew this for a long time yet they refused to finish his final story-arch and even turned that story to have Lex MORE involved WHEN THEY KNEW HE WASN'T EVEN GOING TO BE ON THE SHOW.

Sorry, not yelling, just upset.

But it's also MR's fault because he STILL has the opportunity to be in at least one episode that can truly give us a Clark Kent vs Lex Luthor story for every fan that's been waiting seven years for it. But it's already been said that he doesn't plan to.


promise what? that i'll give it one more go or that i will quit for good? That you'll quit for good :)

[BriZNiZ]

This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(

yeah, i agree. It was pretty weak :( I think i got more into the Supernatural episode afterwards lol!! and i dont even watch that show O.o :/???

[xrayvision]

The Supernatural premiere was definitely of a better quality (this season of Supernatural looks extremely interesting), but Smallville's premiere though not the same caliber of previous premieres did a lot to move things ahead greatly.

[Kal-ed]

Very well stated. There was nothing inherently wrong with the episode. It's just that it could not be told as well as it could in just 40 minutes. If they had stretched it to two episodes they would have had more time to tell the story of Clark hiking through the Arctic without his powers, being put on the fishing boat, and ending up in a Russian work camp. The Chloe plot seemed to flow well for me, but the Clark plot needed more scenes to flesh it out. But that's just my opinion.


I agree with you and with LLL btw but I have the same thing to say about both your posts, better yet a question: Do you really want the new showrunners to waste 2 episodes in wrapping up all the Crap AlMiles left them, yes it felt a little crampted up but really by the end of the episode it was buh bye AlMiles and now they are free to build up on their story, IMO considering all the loose ends Ghoughlar left they did a tremendous job getting that over with in one episode and Im glad they only dedicated one for that purpose, specially if this is going to be the final season, every episode counts so Im glad we can move on. Sure as I stated before a two parter would have worked better but then we would have Davis´s introduction in the next episode and Clark being all heroic with a lot of people around to spot him, really arent you glad they wrapped up everything in the series premiere??





I laughed when the epic Superman score played in the background when MM gave Clark his red jacket back and Clark put it on because I have wanted to burn that thing for a year now. But I totally get the symbolism of it being like the Superman cape. And I loved the dialogue between MM and Clark. It did not feel like a lightswitch. I totally believed that Clark had finally mourned his dad and his chances at a normal, anonymous life as a Kansas farmer, and was ready to move on and become a "superhero."


:lol: yup I understand the duality of it all, Ive been meaning to burn that jacket for years as well yet when he put it on I was excited not pissed and the speach by Clark was one of the best Ive heard from him and the first one I actually belive to be true and not something he will have forgotten in the next episode.

[minerva73]

The episode spent too much time on other things besides wrapping up Veritas properly IMO. Even if they were stuck in a writing hole with the "mess" that AlMiles made with Veritas, they still handled it very sloppily. The premiere should've focused on finishing that up properly, but instead we had about 22 minutes of Veritas stuff (including the Russian camp scenes) and the other stuff was about Chloe and Lois.

Time was wasted with little things (like the Chimmy scene or the long analysis of Chloe's new powers). Chloe doesn't even need new powers IMO, she's not as...super anymore. :( I miss her healing abilities...


I blame AlMiles because they knew he wasn't coming back, they knew this for a long time yet they refused to finish his final story-arch and even turned that story to have Lex MORE involved WHEN THEY KNEW HE WASN'T EVEN GOING TO BE ON THE SHOW.

Despite the fact that AlMiles were still listed as executive producers in the latter part of S7, PS3 also had a pretty big role then too (bigger than their roles in other seasons at least). AlMiles aren't the only ones to blame about the inability to finish Lex's storyline IMO.

And how wasn't Lex's storyline completed properly? :confused: If you say that AlMiles were in charge of how Arctic played out, then Lex did everything he wanted to do. He discovered the secret of the Traveler, went to the Fortress to try to control him, and in the end his plan backfired because the Fortress collapsed. He didn't have any other motives besides trying to save the Planet from the Traveler and that didn't work out because the FOS collapsed. It may have been a lazy ending for Lex, but it didn't leave that many (if any) plotholes... They didn't just let Lex find out Clark's secret and then not go to the Fortress...

[Lara Lane]

My only gripe would be the chlo-lo. They had the opportunity for them to really reconnect. Show Chloes concern for her injured cousion. But they missed it.

Yeah... I want to believe that while Clark went to find Ollie, Chloe tried to wake up her cousin or make her comfortable, as she was passed out on the cold floor after trying to rescue her, with a bad guy unconscious next to her.

<-------- *looks at own avie and sighs*



This is very simple, just look what the new producers had to done:

- Cleaning up AlMiles' mess with Veritas.
- Dealing with new characters.
- Moving on the show without Lex and Lana.
- Finally growing up the characters, especially Clark.

For what the premiere represented, with was an extremelly well planed and mature writed episode. Yes, there are plot holes galore, but the mess left was so deep...

Exactly! Plot holes? Sure there were, but look what they gave us, a proactive Clark, I swear, a confident, brave, determinate Clark makes him look even hotter! I also enjoyed a lot the general rhythm of the chapter, dialogs, etc. I wasn't bored even a bit.

It was not the best premiere (crusade will be my all time favorite) but It was way better than season 6 and 7's. I was very enjoyable and I'll watch it again tonight, and perhaps tomorrow (gotta make way for Bones & The Fringe)

[minerva73]

Clark had every reason to be mopey in the past three seasons. :\ The fact that they moved Clark forward isn't a sign of PS3's greatness because Clark has been willing to move forward (like in Bizarro or Descent), but something comes up and he can't come to grips with it immediately. It's like every few episodes, something REALLY bad happens to Clark.

First, he loses his powers because he wanted to be with the girl he "loved". (Arrival) Then he dies because of that decision. (Hidden) Then he realizes that he could lose his mother because of the decision that he made before. (Solitude) A few weeks later, his fiance dies and he has to go back and save her only to find out that his father died because he wasn't with him. (Reckoning) He takes a while to cope with his father's death and then afterwards he has to blatantly lie about not loving his girlfriend because he doesn't want to hurt her. (Hypnotic) Later on, he dies again (Void) and he finds out that his ex-girlfriend has started dating his ex-friend (Fade). Eventually, he's told that he has to kill someone which he wouldn't willingly do and thus he ends up being trapped while accidentally releasing something so horrible. (Vessel)

Then in Season 6, he almost dies and realizes that he's opened up the portal for 7 prisoners from the Phantom Zone to come wreak havoc on Earth (Zod). He's criticized for being a lazy hero and he tries to come back from that, but he really can't (Rage). Clark feels like an outcast again and he wants to help others out who are in his position, but he still has those feelings of being isolated (Subterranean). He finds out that his ex-girlfriend is pregnant with his nemesis' child (Hydro). Later, Clark is infected with RedK and realizes that even though RedK lowers his inhibitions, it doesn't hide what he's truly feeling which is an insight to all of that angst inside him (Crimson). His ex-girlfriend marries his nemesis despite the fact that she kissed him and said she wouldn't go through with it. She also lied to his face. (Promise) Clark kills someone else (Combat) and has to deal with the secret in the Lexana relationship and the loss of their "child". (Progeny) Then Lana says that she loves him, but shortly after she "dies" and Clark has to face this new creature that he helped create. (Phantom)

Eventually, Clark feels like a monster because he knows he's not human, but is trying to take a step forward (Bizarro). He's faced with the problems of his Kryptonian cousin Kara (Kara) who's making Clark yearn for his family a bit (Lara). He also has to deal with his best friend trying to forget about him because she wants to be "cured". (Cure) Also, Clark has to realize that those that he cares about are always put into danger because he'll be out being a superhero (Action). He finds out that Lana has been lying to him even though he's tried to move past that lying stage in their relationship (Wrath). He's trapped in a block of ice because of his "negligence". (Blue) His girlfriend sleeps with a carbon copy of him because Clark wasn't being open in his relationship with her (Persona). He has to lie once again to his curious cousin because he doesn't want her to get hurt in the long run (Hero). An old enemy returns (Veritas), Lionel Luthor, the man who he cared about to some degree dies (Descent), and he's criticized by some man who was hiding out for about 10 years about how Clark has been living his life. (Quest) Lana breaks up with him and his best friend is put into a coma and kidnapped by the "DDS". (Arctic)

I guess it's expected that our future Superman would be able to come through all of these obstacles the week after being strong, but I can see why Clark was so mopey back then.

[Baltimore]

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To me this is the worst possible premiere . However I do agree that just one extra episode with lex would have been needed to close last season's arc properly. But seeing how it turned out, I think his presence would have been waisted - just like my evening has just been.

[NellieBlye8]

I loved the episode, it feels like a brand new show, I hated season 7 it felt stale and redundent but bringing on new characters and losing a few old ones made the show more refreshing....I think it will be a great season epecially since Clark is finally growing up and embracing his destiny, I loved all the Clark-Oliver action! I also loved the funny Clark-Lois banter!

[theexxs]

I actually thought that this was one of the best. There was a nice pace to it and I loved how all of the characters were used.
I agree with you. This was one of the best season premieres!

[clarkbunny]

For the record HELL NO.

It was the best premiere I have seen in a long time. Certainly light years ahead of the season 7 premiere. I was on the edge of my seat, loved every minute of it. OK a few bits kind of required a leap of faith but overall I really enjoyed it.

It felt cinematic, it was dark, it had drama, the actors were good, there was humour and emotion. I really didn't miss Kara, Lana or Lex. Although I never really was the greatest fan of Kara to be honest anyway.

It left me with a very positive feeling for the rest of the season. Let's hope it continues in the same way.

Did I sense a freshness in the actors' performances especially Tom Welling's with the new writers? :D

[Ardiem3]

ya but its just taking away his powers thats not much controlling. its just taking away his powers.

If you took away someones powers, wouldnt you feel in control of them and their destiny...?

[strmbldr317]

Is it a plot hole or just an unanswered question?

I really kinda hate this "plot discussion" for the season premier because, well...it's the SEASON PREMIER. The new team has a whole 22 episodes left to answer and tie up all the loose ends both from the premier and the last season.

Cut the new guys some slack. They deserve to find their way just as Al & Miles did.

As far as the Traveler-control thing, I think Clark mentioned that Jor-El took away his powers so he couldn't be controlled. However, no one has mentioned the Fortress Crystal in the briefcase that Tess had at the end. Perhaps the power to control the Traveler is within that...hell perhaps Lex is trapped inside of it. Who knows?

But as I said before, the new team has 22 episodes to figure it out. Let's give 'em a chance. It's just like the presidential election: regardless of who's elected...they're not gonna have all the shite from the last 8 years neatly taken care of within their first 100 days.

[kraami]

It had to be one of the worst story's ever told. way too many holes. How did Oliver know clark was an alien? How did they know to go to the artic? Why didn't they find chloe first then she could have explained some things. Why didn't chloe's powers work on clark? Why did MM wait til clark was almost dead before saving him? When MM saved clark by flying him to the sun why didn't their clothes burst into flames(AHHHH scracthing at eyes to remove thet image from my mind)? How did they get back if MM was powerless? Chloe being supersmart and able to read cryptic alogrythmns but doesn't realize that it her friends phone numbers until the last one and the last 3 digits? How did Oliver find clark in Russia? Weren't they just looking in the ISIS foundation and had no leads then poof he shows up in Russia? I am not giving up I'm going to look in a bad neighborhood where guns are being sold and see if he is being used in slave labor...LOL? I can go on and on and on and on .

If clark was in the artic and freezing why did he take off his coat and leave that behind?

[unfocused]

Ok. Seriously. People.

It's ARCTIC. Not Artic. How many times does it need to be spelled wrong?

[Tacitus]

It had to be one of the worst story's ever told. way too many holes. How did Oliver know clark was an alien? How did they know to go to the artic? Why didn't they find chloe first then she could have explained some things. Why didn't chloe's powers work on clark? Why did MM wait til clark was almost dead before saving him? When MM saved clark by flying him to the sun why didn't their clothes burst into flames(AHHHH scracthing at eyes to remove thet image from my mind)? How did they get back if MM was powerless? Chloe being supersmart and able to read cryptic alogrythmns but doesn't realize that it her friends phone numbers until the last one and the last 3 digits? How did Oliver find clark in Russia? Weren't they just looking in the ISIS foundation and had no leads then poof he shows up in Russia? I am not giving up I'm going to look in a bad neighborhood where guns are being sold and see if he is being used in slave labor...LOL? I can go on and on and on and on .

Of course you can go on and on, but before you do that, I'd suggest that you stop here and watch the episode again. You'll find all the answers you're looking for.

[unfocused]

That's right. Look at the episode, not up at the stars.

[DestinyAw8s]

Of course you can go on and on, but before you do that, I'd suggest that you stop here and watch the episode again. You'll find all the answers you're looking for.
hehe Touche! I really loved the episode! I was hoping for something fresh and exciting and I was not disappointed. Loved Lois (Good job, Erica!) in this episode - one tough, little cookie with a dash of feminine charm.:p Sweet! Right now, I'm a happy camper and can't wait for next Thursday!

[minerva73]

Ok. Seriously. People.

It's ARCTIC. Not Artic. How many times does it need to be spelled wrong?

Until the first "c" stops being silent. :D ;)

The mispellings on the board are okay since they may be in a rush or something and I'm no one to criticize (since I mispell a lot of words too, haha), but when the CW does it on official papers, that just irks me.

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If you took away someones powers, wouldnt you feel in control of them and their destiny...?

No because they could easily defy you and end up hurting you before you get the chance to hurt them. Lex couldn't tell Clark to do anything and if he did, then Clark could've easily said "No" and fought with Lex (in a fist fight).

When they said "controlling the Traveler" in Season 7, I thought that they actually meant controlling Clark's actions (like the drug produced by Moira's powers in the episode).

[Mischael12]

It was meh, but I think the actors did great jobs though, the story was boring however from what I have seen of dialog it seems that the actors are a lot more comfortable in their skins. I mean Tom's demeanor wasn't just from his acting, but as if he likes the direction that they will be taking Clark.

It was good to see him act more like a hero and less like a human, I like how he has grown to understand this.

And though this was the least action pack of the season openings, It shows a good potential for the season as it goes under new reigns.

On the side hand SUPERNATURAL WAS AWESOME

[Theshadow129x]

Kind of hurts the show? Without great acting like that and that great character, sadly, it's going to hurt the show a lot. And I do blame him for this. Him and of course AlMiles.

I blame AlMiles because they knew he wasn't coming back, they knew this for a long time yet they refused to finish his final story-arch and even turned that story to have Lex MORE involved WHEN THEY KNEW HE WASN'T EVEN GOING TO BE ON THE SHOW.

Sorry, not yelling, just upset.

But it's also MR's fault because he STILL has the opportunity to be in at least one episode that can truly give us a Clark Kent vs Lex Luthor story for every fan that's been waiting seven years for it. But it's already been said that he doesn't plan to.

That you'll quit for good :)

yeah I promise.

Look James Personally i dont have to agree with you to be pleased with what I have to say on these boards. Not all of us are fans that will fall over backwards just because something is flawed, if it is i have as much rights as you do to call it out. If you liked it then thats you but for me it was the lowest premiere they have done. I know they had a lot to work through for the premiere which is why im giving them one more week to fix their mistakes.

And you can't blame MR for the faults of everyone else. yeah, maybe he could come back to finish his arc, however in my opinion he's not obligated to after his contract expires. If he wants to produce and write and direct for comedy shows he can and should. No one wants to be tied to a job forever. Its like you working at Mcdonalds for 7 years out of your life. Yeah sure you'll get a raise and you might get promoted to manager at some point but its still the same old job you took up at mcdonalds. No one would fault you for wanting to move on at all because no one wants to be tied to one thing for their entire lives.

Blaming MR for the faults of PS3 and Almiles is not correct. They knew the actor wouldnt re-sign the contract, he was telling everyone that back in season 5 that he would be done when his contract expire. no one else is to blame but the writers, producers, and creators, not the actors.

[Magda Halliwell]

I agree. The producers had plenty of time to have the Clark/Lex showdown. I remember hearing back in Season Five MR saying he would not do another season after Season Seven.

I also wanted to come back and say while this wasn't my favorite episode or premiere ever. I think there were a lot of plot twists, and blocks to build a great storyline on for this season. I think the new producers are gonna take it into a fresh direction. I didn't really miss MR or KK!

My favorites were Green Arrow, LOIS (Erica looks great this year) and TOM *SWOON* Welling and his stubble. Why can't he be wet more often! HELL why can't Clark and Green Arrow wrestle in a pool of oil?? Why can't he have stubble more often??

I also thought the effect with Martian Manhunter was great!! I liked last years premiere better. I have to say I am also a little upset that they even bothered to bring Kara onto the show and then dropped her. BLAH! I know she will be back to tie up loose ends but still....

[unfocused]

^You got your post count back? that's great.

I know MR isn't obligated to return to the show. I respect that. But he has loyal fans, Lex has loyal fans and the show in general has loyal fans that want nothing more than to see him one last time and bring a proper ending to the character he ingeniously made so great.

But I guess that is too much for the fans to ask from him.

[Magda Halliwell]

Yeah I got it back. How? I have no idea! LOL It was here when I came back tonight!

I can understand that. I know most people here hate 90210 so I am just using it as an example! I was very happy that Jennie Garth (who had a COMEDY PILOT in the works) dropped out of it to honor the show that made her a star. Some could argue she knew 90210 would be a bigger hit but I don't beleive that was the reason. Jennie is actually an amazing comedic actress. I wasn't a fan of WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU but the episodes I watched for a while, she was really funny in!! I also respect Shannen for doing the same. I am sure the hefty paychecks helped too!!

I said all of that to say this. As for Smallville, hopefully this season will invigorate the series and maybe it will warrant another season. And if this turns out to be the final one maybe MR will come back. YOU NEVER KNOW! And if the show goes on for a 9 and or 10 Season maybe MR would come back for the ENDGAME!

I do agree that MR should be loyal and if the show does end this year and they ask him to be part of the endgame and he wouldn't do us the honor, to me that would be a slap in the face! I don't think any actor should forget their roots! ;) That is why I think there is bad karma attached (a lot of the times) to actors who leave a show when the show is in it's prime, David Carusoe anyone?? Now MR, I can understand. He has been loyal and had to shave his entire head for seven years. If you dudes out there like me have to shave pretty regularly, you know what I mean. I know I have very sensitive skin and I put off shaving at least for 3 days cause it hurts! I cannot imagine shaving my head, face and the nap of my neck for all those years. GOOD LORD!! It hurts to think about!

Man I can ramble can't I?? Sorry!

[unfocused]

I do agree that MR should be loyal and if the show does end this year and they ask him to be part of the endgame and he wouldn't do us the honor, to me that would be a slap in the face!

"Slap in the face" was actually going to be the phrase I was going to use. But i didn't want to sound too rude (not that you were rude, because you weren't), as I do love Michael and all his amazing talent. I do respect the many great things he has done for Smallville, the fans, and the many great episodes he has given us.

Shattered still remains my all-time favorite episode mainly because he was insanely amazing in it.

But I do agree with you, he should be loyal to the fans that are loyal to him. But I also agree with Theshadow129x, as he isn't obligated to.

Still. Do it, Michael.

[TheLeague]

i thought it was awesome i loved it i mean it had everything i could want in a smallville episode to be honest probably the best premiere i've seen

and i hope its a taste of things to come ( which it is )

onward to S8! onward to the best season of smallville to come! I SAY! :D

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This episode/premiere is just AWEFUL! The dialogues are so dried so horrible so boring, and where the hell is Kara?!?!?! And the same old stuff happening again - clark loses power, he died but came back alive again, he and Lois saved Chloe again and blah blah blah, etc. I'm just not down w/ season 8! Most importantly, Lana/KK and Lex/MR are gone! :(

u can spot a KK fanboi/girl a mile away :p tbh your statement doesnt even make sense are you even remotely interested in clark and his destiny at all?:confused:

there was nothing boring about this premiere WHATSOEVER!

[Theshadow129x]

"Slap in the face" was actually going to be the phrase I was going to use. But i didn't want to sound too rude (not that you were rude, because you weren't), as I do love Michael and all his amazing talent. I do respect the many great things he has done for Smallville, the fans, and the many great episodes he has given us.

Shattered still remains my all-time favorite episode mainly because he was insanely amazing in it.

But I do agree with you, he should be loyal to the fans that are loyal to him. But I also agree with Theshadow129x, as he isn't obligated to.

Still. Do it, Michael.

I mean i loved MR as Lex. No one will ever replace his character. He's a great actor. period. Would I love for him to come back? Yes. it would make for a better show, but he isnt obligated. As fans of the show and of his we should respect that he wants to move on and be appreciative of the time we got with him which was 7 great years of his character, however there is another thing to look at here.

Lex's character was often so good that he kind of overshadowed everyone else. His descent last year was what made vertias worth watching along with the julian arcs and so on. this is a problem i guess for other characters as they were given the same stories life Clana and secrets and lies that we had gotten since season 1. Lex was the character that did the most progressing year after year so i can see why season 8 is really clarks time to shine. my only pick is that there were alot of lightswitches for him becase of the faults of almiles not letting the character to grow the same as lex so i cant fault the show on that right now. i'll be more understanding to the show on that note seeing as ps3 had little to work with the way the show ended last season.

did i like the premiere? no but i'll give this season a chance. though i think the acting was bad and i dont like cassidy freeman at all, i'll reserve judgement after the next episode.

[smvlladdict]

Lack luster!!! All their Money was spent on the Metropolis stage! Premieres are usually BIG and explode like a HUGE fireworks display, this one SPUTTERED out like a sparker!

[unfocused]

All their Money was spent on the Metropolis stage!
You would have preferred the farm, barn and coffee shop?

[wolverine316]

Judging from the landslide vote of about 4 to 1 so far, I am happy that most people including myself enjoyed the premiere.

[unfocused]

Well, some of those votes mean "it's not the worst, but definitely not the best."

Personally, I loved this premier :)

[Hopefulsuicide]

it was a step up from season 7, and i most definately did not find it boring... i've watched it enough times now to know that it was very watchable

no it's not edge of your seat, and there are no big explosions or huge fights but it is consistently interesting

some of the plot holes bring it down for me, as it makes the show feel unintelligent, which i hate, but that doesn't make it boring :lol:

[boywithbluehanger]

it was a step up from season 7, and i most definately did not find it boring... i've watched it enough times now to know that it was very watchable

no it's not edge of your seat, and there are no big explosions or huge fights but it is consistently interesting

some of the plot holes bring it down for me, as it makes the show feel unintelligent, which i hate, but that doesn't make it boring :lol:

Exactly, not-so-great writing, but FAR from boring.

[kraami]

Of course you can go on and on, but before you do that, I'd suggest that you stop here and watch the episode again. You'll find all the answers you're looking for.

Thanks for that torture and i watched it again and iyt only raised more plot holes i didnt see before. This was by far the worst premiere so far. I feel like the show was missing so much. ok maybe it was the editing. ( Oh hey man whats this reel ... eh we dont need it just throw it in the trash...(which is what they should have done with this premiere)).

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They could have gotten evrything done in this episode and had it make sense. But they blew it. I am hoping like hell that they do a better job next week.

[Billy Jor-El]

Not awful...not great. Maybe 8 out of 10. "Bizarro" had me bouncing off the walls, not this. I dislike how despite Chloe's undying love for Clark (even if they aren't the super item they should be), she says "yes" to Jimmy....who is she kidding?

The nice kicker for me was Clark ending up at the desk across from Lois....and yes, ED looked damn hot!

Lana who?

[unfocused]

Thanks for that torture and i watched it again and iyt only raised more plot holes i didnt see before. This was by far the worst premiere so far. I feel like the show was missing so much. ok maybe it was the editing. ( Oh hey man whats this reel ... eh we dont need it just throw it in the trash...(which is what they should have done with this premiere)).

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They could have gotten evrything done in this episode and had it make sense. But they blew it. I am hoping like hell that they do a better job next week.

The premier wasn't nearly as bad as your spelling :rotfl:

Yeah, season 7 left WPS3 with many plots to fill. They just have more important things to worry about than that though. I will forget about most plotholes by next week. So, on with the new direction, please! Let's see some great storylines, something we've been lacking for a long time.

[Tacitus]

Thanks for that torture and i watched it again and iyt only raised more plot holes i didnt see before. This was by far the worst premiere so far. I feel like the show was missing so much. ok maybe it was the editing. ( Oh hey man whats this reel ... eh we dont need it just throw it in the trash...(which is what they should have done with this premiere)).

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They could have gotten evrything done in this episode and had it make sense. But they blew it. I am hoping like hell that they do a better job next week.

As far as I can tell, there was one plothole and it involved Martian Manhunter's appearance after he lost his powers. He shouldn't have looked human. The questions you raised in your previous post have all been answered in the premiere or in previous episodes. If watching the episode the second time didnt help, then perhaps your ability to comprehend things falls short.

[chlo-el]

OMG did we not see the same show? This was by far the best season premeire. It had tons of action and intrigue. I loved the way everyone was fighting to save eachother. Oliver was fighting so hard to save Clark. Clark was fighting hard to save Chloe. Lois was fighting hard save Chloe. It was great.

[unfocused]

Ouch. Somebody get kraami some ice for that burn.

[Hopefulsuicide]

all that's true, but it still wasn't very well written

[unfocused]

It was a great premier, very well written.

[tmack09]

ooooooooooooooooooookay! I just watched the premire online, and I shall admitt...it wasn't as bad as some are making it sound yet it wasn't as good as some are hyping it up to be. It was ok. Certainly not the best season premire of the series, I couldn't at all see myself cursing out the commercials for coming on if I had watched it during Thursday air date!

The show was balanced yet completely not balanced all at the same time! The absence of major characters and the introduction of new main characters made the show do an odd shift. I still don't think I'll be sitting aside my Thursday nights for this show like I use to, but for those who continue to do so...enjoy. :)

[Hopefulsuicide]

It was a great premier, very well written.

can i ask what part of the writing stood out for you? did you hear some amazing dialogue that i missed? cause all i heard was bog standard dialogue, mostly just to explain what was going on... i think the only line i really liked was the one about lois pointing a gun at his kneecaps... that was fun

or was it the way the events where written... which i thought was fairly poor. things didn't fit, decisions didn't make logical sense, a lot was sort of just twisted to suit the new direction of the show, or to lead to some dramatic event...

i liked the episode, it was enjoyable to watch and i like the new characters. clois is great and the justice league were brill. but i did feel the writing was poor

[Sv.LoisLane]

It was a good premiere. It had a lot of stuff going on and they did a pretty good job putting it in 40 minutes. Foreshadowing was awesome.
I did NOT miss Lana, not a bit, nothing...zero. I did miss Lex, but Tess seems to raise to his level, or almost.

The dialogues were necessary. Would you have liked 3 eps to explain what happend to each one of them? I hope not. This way the story can go on. The premiere is supposed to be like this.

And I don't understand why people keep mentioning Lana. She's not coming back. How could Clark and Lana start it all over again when KK has signed only for 5 eps or something?:rolleyes:
She has done her part in the show, her part with Clark. Now it's time for her to move on because let's say it, she could never live a happy life with Clark/future Superman.

It's Lois/Clois/Superman time! Let the legend being.

[unfocused]

can i ask what part of the writing stood out for you? did you hear some amazing dialogue that i missed? cause all i heard was bog standard dialogue, mostly just to explain what was going on... i think the only line i really liked was the one about lois pointing a gun at his kneecaps... that was fun

or was it the way the events where written... which i thought was fairly poor.
Having Clark do a lot of fighting was an instant fan favorite and very comedic at times. Punches like this aren't written in many episodes. This stood out for me, I loved seeing the character let loose, and then let loose on other men. The improvised fight between Clark and Ollie was entertaining.

Clark and Lois' short DP scene was excellently written. What stood out in this scene was Clark calling Lois "Lane." Very well executed on Tom Welling's part and just an overall great addition. All of Tom's and Erica's scenes had good scripts and dialogues. "What are you doing here?" "I heard they had good espresso."

My own little personal guilty pleasure was the Russians dialogue. He had few lines, but they were very funny and I really enjoyed them, not to mention his accent :lol: "Fine, just tell me where to send the body," and "next time I will be not so nice."

The Justice League is always good to see. The bit about getting Clark into a fitting costume was hilarious to hear and even showed a bit of offscreen teasing. And then Clark practically unofficially recruited himself into the League, that was just so great.
The end of the final JL scene was written amazingly. It fit well with the "hero" scene in Justice where all four members and Clark walk away from the exploding building. This is another one of those scenes, with each member separating and walking away from eachother into the night.

I just really liked the way much of Odyssey was written :)

[Hopefulsuicide]

see i found the espresso joke kinda a lame attempt at humour... and the russian's line is a total cliche. i think the biggest problem i had was that there was barely any dialogue that was more than an explanation, and the explanations sometimes didn't make sense or didn't come off very well

i'm gonna put that down to trying to cram too much in, but i do feel like i miss early smallville, when people still had conversations that were more than just explanations... like early clana, lex and clark's discussion, the kents chatting at the kitchen table etc etc

i consider Alias to be one of the best written shows i've ever seen in terms of dialogue. Buffy is great for it's humour, but Alias has a complexity to it's sentance structure that reminds you how intellegent the characters are

there is nothing about the dialogue in odyssey that was impressive. nothing that i couldn't have come up with in a fanfiction of my own. it was just simple

[unfocused]

Did you just respond to my entire post with cracks at a couple of jokes I quoted? Come on, my post had more points to it than that yet you failed to reply to my stronger points and instead reply to the jokes, my obvious attempt at keeping the conversation light. Thanks a lot. Next time I won't even waste my time on a serious answer when you ask me a serious question. Not if I'm going to get a poor excuse of a reply.

Yes, better shows on better networks have better writers that write better shows. Thanks for pointing that out. No one knew it.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Having Clark do a lot of fighting was an instant fan favorite and very comedic at times. Punches like this aren't written in many episodes. This stood out for me, I loved seeing the character let loose, and then let loose on other men. The improvised fight between Clark and Ollie was entertaining.

clark's fighting was and always has been very very simple. he hits them once they go down. how is that a well written fight? the fight between Clark and Ollie was slightly better in terms of choreography but i still cringe at the reason for the fight... 'what are you looking at'... i mean come on, how did the russian guy fall for that. no one except British Chavs says that and then just starts a fight and demands the right to kill the guy... it's insanely bad logic, and i think they could have come up with something much better

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Clark and Lois' short DP scene was excellently written. What stood out in this scene was Clark calling Lois "Lane." Very well executed on Tom Welling's part and just an overall great addition. All of Tom's and Erica's scenes had good scripts and dialogues. "What are you doing here?" "I heard they had good espresso."


i didn't find the scene well written at all. the chair noise thing was cute, and i love seeing tom smiling, but there was nothing particularly amazing about the writing. i dont see what's great about him calling her Lane... whats so amazing about them being able to use her second name

like i said, i loved the one scene with Lois and Clark when he tells her to stop pointing the gun at him... it reminded me of a scene in buffy when xander tells angel to stop looking at his neck actually, and it made me smile.

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My own little personal guilty pleasure was the Russians dialogue. He had few lines, but they were very funny and I really enjoyed them, not to mention his accent :lol: "Fine, just tell me where to send the body," and "next time I will be not so nice."

like i said, i found these lines basic and cliched

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The Justice League is always good to see. The bit about getting Clark into a fitting costume was hilarious to hear and even showed a bit of offscreen teasing. And then Clark practically unofficially recruited himself into the League, that was just so great.
The end of the final JL scene was written amazingly. It fit well with the "hero" scene in Justice where all four members and Clark walk away from the exploding building. This is another one of those scenes, with each member separating and walking away from eachother into the night.

I just really liked the way much of Odyssey was written :)

Yes i love the Justice League. Their lines are usually okay. It was a good scene, i liked it. not gonna argue about that.

[unfocused]

Thank you <3

I personally LOVED the "what are you looking at" line and gesture Justin Hartley gave. It was like... "what's Ollie doing?" "Oh wow he's picking a fight!" Plus his facial expression and attempt at bullying Clark was really cute.

Clarks fighting is not always simple. He just hasn't had many enemies that could withstand more than a toss into a wall, you want logic? that's it. He got down with Titan because he was allowed to. he didn't have to worry about breaking every bone in his body with a single punch.

If you didn't like the fight scenes, then that's your personal opinion, there are many more people that did like those scenes and did like to see CLARK SMASH.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Did you just respond to my entire post with cracks at a couple of jokes I quoted? Come on, my post had more points to it than that yet you failed to reply to my stronger points and instead reply to the jokes, my obvious attempt at keeping the conversation light. Thanks a lot. Next time I won't even waste my time on a serious answer when you ask me a serious question. Not if I'm going to get a poor excuse of a reply.

right, well i've considered each and every point you made now, you happy? but i really didn't have too. no one has to reply to every single point. i just didn't have much to say. i disagree. the lines you pointed out that you thought were good, i thought the opposite of. i think JH has the strongest lines.

my favourite line in the whole episode was Clark's 'Let it go'

just those three little words were wonderful

and please, next time you decide that my origional reply was not sufficient in your need for an arguement don't be so rude about it... it was not a poor excuse of a reply, and i find that insulting, but i hope this makes you happy anyway

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Thank you <3

I personally LOVED the "what are you looking at" line and gesture Justin Hartley gave. It was like... "what's Ollie doing?" "Oh wow he's picking a fight!" Plus his facial expression and attempt at bullying Clark was really cute.

Clarks fighting is not always simple. He just hasn't had many enemies that could withstand more than a toss into a wall, you want logic? that's it. He got down with Titan because he was allowed to. he didn't have to worry about breaking every bone in his body with a single punch.

If you didn't like the fight scenes, then that's your personal opinion, there are many more people that did like those scenes and did like to see CLARK SMASH.

so you only gonna respond to my comment about the clark fight... :p ignoring all the rest of my points...

[unfocused]

Sorry sorry... i forgot that you like to post in increments. let me read what you wrote.


Well, from what I'm gathering, this is nothing more than a difference of opinion. I like something, you don't like it. Or you like a small fraction of it. I'm in no mood for a tug-o-war. I'm firm about this, the writing in Odyssey is what really made me love this episode. I accept that you hated it or didn't like it. I really don't care, it doesn't affect me. Although it does seem that you made this decision long before the show even aired. That's just an observation, though. I mean for someone who whines so much about Clark's regression, I'd expect you to like this new immediate character progression seen in this episode ;)

[Magda Halliwell]

Lack luster!!! All their Money was spent on the Metropolis stage! Premieres are usually BIG and explode like a HUGE fireworks display, this one SPUTTERED out like a sparker!

I thought that METROPOLIS looked like a backlot. I wasn't for sure though because before when the show was in "METROPOLIS" it looked like an actual city.

[IloveClark]

It was one of the better ones it was like a movie.I hated seeing Clark die.I hate Chimmy with a passion.Move on Chloe!!!He's not the one.I loved the Clark and Oliver fight it was funny.And Clark annoying Lois at the end of the episode was very funny.They rushed hte whole application thing.I LOVE the fact Lana and Lex are gone.The shows is suspposed to be about Clark and not them.Peace.

[individuall]

I thought that METROPOLIS looked like a backlot. I wasn't for sure though because before when the show was in "METROPOLIS" it looked like an actual city.

I totally agree! I was like...Yeah, that's definitely a backlot :lol:...but I, for one can forgive them for that...I thoroughly enjoyed the episode...I think there are always (to some people) little things that aren't right or perfect...But all in all....As a whole.... I thought this season premiere was good! :)

[minerva73]

And I don't understand why people keep mentioning Lana. She's not coming back. How could Clark and Lana start it all over again when KK has signed only for 5 eps or something?:rolleyes:
She has done her part in the show, her part with Clark. Now it's time for her to move on because let's say it, she could never live a happy life with Clark/future Superman

Clark and Lana don't need to be together again when she comes back in order for most Lana fans to be happy. They would want proper closure after what happened and that she and Clark can be good friends before her five episode streak is done.

Lex has done his part in the show, but he'll constantly be mentioned throughout the seasons. He's played a big in Clark's life as he was growing into Superman and Lana has also played a big part in Clark's life. You can't just ignore 7 years of dedication like that...even though half of it was angst. :\

I loved Lana's character in Seasons 6 and 7, but I don't want her to come back to pursue a relationship with Clark. I want her to be Clark's ally and help out when he needs it (not as much as Clark's dependence of Chloe in S7). It seemed like she was taking on that role in Fracture and the proceeding episodes and I want her to continue it in S8.

[Sv.LoisLane]

Clark and Lana don't need to be together again when she comes back in order for most Lana fans to be happy. They would want proper closure after what happened and that she and Clark can be good friends before her five episode streak is done.

Lex has done his part in the show, but he'll constantly be mentioned throughout the seasons. He's played a big in Clark's life as he was growing into Superman and Lana has also played a big part in Clark's life. You can't just ignore 7 years of dedication like that...even though half of it was angst. :\

I loved Lana's character in Seasons 6 and 7, but I don't want her to come back to pursue a relationship with Clark. I want her to be Clark's ally and help out when he needs it (not as much as Clark's dependence of Chloe in S7). It seemed like she was taking on that role in Fracture and the proceeding episodes and I want her to continue it in S8.

I agree with all you said, I just hope she won't have that "obsession" effect on Clark again.
I never said we should ignore those 7 seasons...I actually said she has had a part in his life but it's time to let the past in the past.
As for the fans...I know some who are still hoping for a relationship so I guess they'll be disappointed but KK made a choice, just as MR.

[unfocused]

Exactly.

But I think they will still have a Lana/Clark/Lois triangle. Which may not be what some of us want. But let's just hope it will be a story that leaves Lana and Clark as mutual friends. I'm hoping for a good understanding between the two, so we will have a better chance at a perfect and happy ending for Lana on Smallville.

[loliverlover]

well i absolutely loved the episode regardless of what other people think, and even though some characters are gone there was still just something new and fresh about it. it didn't feet like the past premieres but in a good way. this is the way i rank them:

1.-crusade
2.-odyssey
3.-arrival
4.-bizarro
5.-zod
6.-pilot
7.-exile
8.-vortex

so for me it was one of the best

[Lara Lane]

^^ Oye paisano, You put Crusade twice :p

[Magda Halliwell]

I will have to consult TV.com and figure mine out. I have watched from the beginning and never missed an episode. However, I am not as educated in Smallville as I am my three favorite shows of all time.

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The premier wasn't nearly as bad as your spelling :rotfl:.


Well I don't know how they spell premiere in Texas but they don't spell that word the way you spelled it in the rest of the USA. I am not trying to be a ***** but don't knock someone else when you spelled a word wrong. Plus there are nicer ways to instruct people on proper spelling edict!

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I totally agree! I was like...Yeah, that's definitely a backlot :lol:...but I, for one can forgive them for that...I thoroughly enjoyed the episode...I think there are always (to some people) little things that aren't right or perfect...But all in all....As a whole.... I thought this season premiere was good! :)

Well they gave Charmed the Paramount backlot in it's final two seasons and it looked different but saved money. It will cut cost and they can devote more money to FX which is fine by me. It was a decent backlot.

[Kal26]

Veritas had the convenience of prewritten ties to previous seasons, but the introduction of "a way to control the Traveler" is a fairly new idea that became the backbone of the Veritas storyline but was never really fully thought out. This being made evident in Odyssey whereas the new producers had almost nothing to work with and probably felt there were better stories to tell with VERY little time to tell them.

One mistake of the AlMiles reign in the past few seasons is that they intentionally held the character back. So forgive me if I'm happy that the new producers want to undue that nonsense and take him forward.

I only liked the Veritas storyline because it helped Lex into his descent and showed us how obsessive, evil and cynical he could actually become. But he was just way too involved into the V story, and AlMiles knew Rosenbaum wasn't going to stick around for another season. So it was really foolish to actually finish season seven without finishing the storyline that Lex was NOT going to be in for season eight. How is Lex supposed to control Clark if he isn't even in the show anymore? There is no way, so how can you blame PS3 for changing the story when that original story had no possible ending.

This is AlMiles' fault. Don't blame PS3 for not wanting to waste the little time they have in the drivers seat on an extremely large, unfinished, plothole-ridden storyline.

Also, the new producers have been writing Smallville episodes since season one. But season eight, I believe, is their first chance at actually deciding what to write about.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything, nor do I think any of what we saw last season was a mistake. I also don't think anything we saw in this season's premiere was a shot at changing what Al/Miles have done. I think it's all part of the bigger picture that will unfold as the series continues to progress. I think Clark was held back until this point, to tell the story that's about to be told. I also don't think we can blame Al/Miles for everything that's happened when they rely on writers, just like these new producers, who have actually been working with Al/Miles on this show for some time, rely on writers. Given that these producers have been working on the show for some time, I think it's unrealistic to think that they are now completely changing gears. I have a feeling that they have been working on a shared vision with Al/Miles, and are going to continue down that glorious path. That's why Al/Miles didn't have a problem turning the project over to them. I would also say that if anyone had a problem with past seasons, given that these new producers were working on the show, they should give them a shared piece of the blame. I personally have loved the show in every way, and love the way it is now going. However, I don't think it's going in a new direction, but to a place it was always going to be taken. We just had to be patient, and enjoy the ride.:D We have to remember that MR is reportedly coming back for a few episodes, that was known last season, and was stated by MR at a recent convention. He said possibly, but I'm sure that's what's going to happen. We also have to remember that all this talk about what the new producers are doing is just speculation. Only they know for sure weather they are cleaning up a mess, or following a plan that has been set in motion for some time.

[elbutler]

Heck No!!!!!

[Hopefulsuicide]

Sorry sorry... i forgot that you like to post in increments. let me read what you wrote.


Well, from what I'm gathering, this is nothing more than a difference of opinion. I like something, you don't like it. Or you like a small fraction of it. I'm in no mood for a tug-o-war. I'm firm about this, the writing in Odyssey is what really made me love this episode. I accept that you hated it or didn't like it. I really don't care, it doesn't affect me. Although it does seem that you made this decision long before the show even aired. That's just an observation, though. I mean for someone who whines so much about Clark's regression, I'd expect you to like this new immediate character progression seen in this episode ;)

that's totally fair enough, writing really is a matter of taste anyway... like not everyone has the same favourite author cause it's all different styles and stuff

i just wanna make it clear, i actually did really enjoy the episode on a basic level and i hope for more of the same in terms of Clark and the Justice League and Clois and Tess. i'm not picking at the episode because i hated it, but i just didn't feel the writing was impressive.

and tbh, while half my brain screams 'shut up and just be happy he's changed', i am a little dissapointed it had to be a lightswitch :(

[Meteror Freak]

To me, I think the show is heading in the right direction. Clark leaving the farm and etc.

But Clark isn't leaving the farm. And how could it be heading in the right direction without a Lex Luthor, Supergirl, and Lana? Although I hope that he will become superman very soon.:o

[unfocused]

Kal26, I totally understand your point of view. I love this show like you do and trust me, I do defend it a lot.

Keep in mind, I'm not blaming AlMiles as writers, I'm blaming them as producers. I'm not mad at how things have been written, I'm mad at how things were told to be written. If WPS3 starts screwing up the direction of this show, I WILL get mad at them. Because they are the decision-makers now. The conclusion of Smallville rests on their shoulders, it's time to see how they do.

Hopefulsuicide, why does it seem like it was so hard for you to write that post? :lol:
But seriously, I'm glad you were able to find some enjoyment in Odyssey, I can imagine how difficult it can be to accept something that has made you mad so often over the past years. I respect that.

[Sweetie]

No,it was the premiere that I was waiting to see for a long time.CK wasn't crying or moping,he really wants to move on toward his destiny this time.He was a hero there without his powers than he ever was before.When the Martian Manhunter threw his red coat I thought it was his cape.Too bad ;)

I really missed Lex,not even a photo anywhere :(

[sil3nt]

I only found some scenes boring, but the majority was interesting to watch. I wasn't pumped for the next episode though, but that's only because Supernatural had an epic feel and cliffhangers to it.

[Joelito]

I don't think so, this season premiere was better then the last 2 ones...Still Mercy entrance was for me a little to "force".

[ginnyfan]

No it was a lot of fun. It was a good start to the season. Not one of the best pilots ever but really, really fun.

[Ardiem3]

But Clark isn't leaving the farm. And how could it be heading in the right direction without a Lex Luthor, Supergirl, and Lana? Although I hope that he will become superman very soon.:o

Umm, did you miss all the "dual identities," "costume," Superman theme, and other areas of "Odyssey" that shows what is to come? Lex is open to come back, and will still be a theme in the season, Supergirl is coming back to finish off her character, and is this show about Clark, or is it about Lana and people Clark knows...? No. As long as Tom Welling/Clark is still on the show, I'll be watching because hes who its about...

[Theshadow129x]

i just rewatched it with my sister....it was better the second time around and a more open mind than i had the first time. it was good not great.i agree with Hopefulsuicide that the dialogue could have been better and the writing but the pacing was good and there were some interesting developments. i just dont like the lightswitch on clark but i am glad he's moving forward instead of constantly backwards. heres to a hopeful season 8

[unfocused]

What lightswitch? you mean when he accepted that he needed to count less on Jor-El, MM and others (meaning he is ready to fulfill his destiny) in the loft? That's the only thing I actually see as a possible "lightswitch." It didn't bother me much and I accept it because it means a lot to me and a lot for the show and character of Clark Kent for him to move in the right direction, swiftly.

Also, I didn't find it a huge lightswitch at all. It's not like he donned the suit and cape and flew all of a sudden, although there was that symbolism :lol: In other words, he didn't decide to go out and actively save people, he just decided to move on from his life on the farm and become a man. This means that this season he will gradually inch closer to becoming Superman.

That's definitely not a lightswitch. But I think he should have decided to move on in season 7, and even begin working at the Planet that season. But having him make this decision and these choices NOW, at the close of the series... is kind of lightswitchy.

[boywithbluehanger]

When the Martian Manhunter threw his red coat I thought it was his cape.Too bad ;)

Not sure if you were joking but when I saw that scene, I turned my head and immediately turned back to the t.v. thinking the exact same thing! :eek:

Whadda coinkidink! :)

[Kal26]

If WPS3 starts screwing up the direction of this show, I WILL get mad at them. Because they are the decision-makers now. The conclusion of Smallville rests on their shoulders, it's time to see how they do.


Only time will tell, but I'm hoping they rock out with their &%$'s out! I'm a bit excited this morning, if you can't tell. I think the opener is a great start to what could be a superb season. I love the direction their going in, and hope they stick to it. One thing we all should keep in mind is, Clark's said all this before. As I said before though, only time will tell.

[Krypton935]

Are you insane!!??!! This episode was amazing especially as a premeire I absolutely loved every part of it!!! I think it was one of the best eps in the series-of course i love them all but this one was really freakin' amazing!!

[tmack09]

I AM A FAN WHO MISSED KRISTIN KREUK IN THE OPENING CREDITS AND IN THE SEASON OPENER AS A WHOLE!!!!

Yup sure did!!! I read all the comments that said they didn't well guess what, I DID!! If no one else on this site is going to show KK/Lana Lang some love, iiiiiiiii certainly will! haha :) :p

With that being said, the season opener wasn't the worst but it CERTAINLY wasn't the best! boo-yaw!

[Sv.LoisLane]

I AM A FAN WHO MISSED KRISTIN KREUK IN THE OPENING CREDITS AND IN THE SEASON OPENER AS A WHOLE!!!!

Yup sure did!!! I read all the comments that said they didn't well guess what, I DID!! If no one else on this site is going to show KK/Lana Lang some love, iiiiiiiii certainly will! haha :) :p

With that being said, the season opener wasn't the worst but it CERTAINLY wasn't the best! boo-yaw!

No need to write it in capital letters. You can show your love writing as everyone else does.
I see it as a lack of respect for fans who don't like KK/Lana.

[tmack09]

No need to write it in capital letters. You can show your love writing as everyone else does.
I see it as a lack of respect for fans who don't like KK/Lana.

it is what it is...

you say lack of respect...I say im shouting from the roof tops. :D

[Sv.LoisLane]

it is what it is...

you say lack of respect...I say im shouting from the roof tops. :D

Yeah..but there are some rules around here:) I don't think you'd like to see fans like me showing some love to Erica by writing it in capital letters, red color..etc.

Also, I think around here there is a thread for KK/Lana where nobody will be bothered by this. This thread is about the premiere;)

[tmack09]

Yeah..but there are some rules around here:) I don't think you'd like to see fans like me showing some love to Erica by writing it in capital letters, red color..etc.

Also, I think around here there is a thread for KK/Lana where nobody will be bothered by this. This thread is about the premiere;)



lol...I have seen the rules, non of which specify that I can't show my love for a particular actress in bold letters...I was not insulting anyone, I was simply showing my love for a particular character/ actress who happen to not be in the season opening this yr...

why should I have to leave this thread talking about the Season Premire and it being the worst or best and ur reasonings, because my reasons for liking or disliking it doesn't fit the general mold here. (I promise im not trying to sound rude, or have an arguement) but you are telling me I should leave this thread and go to a more accepting one because I am expressing my love for KK/Lana lang amongst some who don't like her or the character, how fair is that?!

If you want to show ur love for Erica by all means...do it however you please! I like her as well! and if she had left, I'd probably post the same message I did before with bold letters along with KK! ;)
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Now, this conversation is in fact breaking the rules I believe, So I'll conclude this.

[Sv.LoisLane]

lol...I have seen the rules, non of which specify that I can't show my love for a particular actress in bold letters...I was not insulting anyone, I was simply showing my love for a particular character/ actress who happen to not be in the season opening this yr...

why should I have to leave this thread talking about the Season Premire and it being the worst or best and ur reasonings, because my reasons for liking or disliking it doesn't fit the general mold here. (I promise im not trying to sound rude, or have an arguement) but you are telling me I should leave this thread and go to a more accepting one because I am expressing my love for KK/Lana lang amongst some who don't like her or the character, how fair is that?!

If you want to show ur love for Erica by all means...do it however you please! I like her as well! and if she had left, I'd probably post the same message I did before with bold letters along with KK! ;)
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Now, this conversation is in fact breaking the rules I believe, So I'll conclude this.

You can stay in this thread and do whatever you want. I was just saying that when ppl use capital letters is often seen as yelling. Personally, when I opened this thread I first noticed those purple giant letters and it bothered me, a lot. Not because of Lana/KK..whatever, just because it's so damn big.

[Theshadow129x]

What lightswitch? you mean when he accepted that he needed to count less on Jor-El, MM and others (meaning he is ready to fulfill his destiny) in the loft? That's the only thing I actually see as a possible "lightswitch." It didn't bother me much and I accept it because it means a lot to me and a lot for the show and character of Clark Kent for him to move in the right direction, swiftly.

Also, I didn't find it a huge lightswitch at all. It's not like he donned the suit and cape and flew all of a sudden, although there was that symbolism :lol: In other words, he didn't decide to go out and actively save people, he just decided to move on from his life on the farm and become a man. This means that this season he will gradually inch closer to becoming Superman.

That's definitely not a lightswitch. But I think he should have decided to move on in season 7, and even begin working at the Planet that season. But having him make this decision and these choices NOW, at the close of the series... is kind of lightswitchy.

You kind of contridicted yourself with that post their james.

Look, its great Clark is a reporter, but I still can't get with the fact that hge works at the worlds best newspaper with a mere high school education and a semester of college and he just works in the basement as a staff writer. plus, his new found interest in journalism to be a reporter comes practically out of no where. Clark use to not want to be in the middle of the action now he wants it. Its kind of out of character for this Clark Kent to want to do that. It would have been nice if he took a few episodes in wondering what he could do next now that he plans to move on...heck it would have been nice to see him apply and have him declined for his lack of experience and then given it after he does a freelance story for the dp and then given the job but no matter how you look at it, it came out of no where.

[Yasise]

You kind of contridicted yourself with that post their james.

Look, its great Clark is a reporter, but I still can't get with the fact that hge works at the worlds best newspaper with a mere high school education and a semester of college and he just works in the basement as a staff writer. plus, his new found interest in journalism to be a reporter comes practically out of no where. Clark use to not want to be in the middle of the action now he wants it. Its kind of out of character for this Clark Kent to want to do that. It would have been nice if he took a few episodes in wondering what he could do next now that he plans to move on...heck it would have been nice to see him apply and have him declined for his lack of experience and then given it after he does a freelance story for the dp and then given the job but no matter how you look at it, it came out of no where.

I agree with what you've said completely. First he tells Lois, that he will never work for Lex and now that Lex is out of the picture it doesn't matter for him, that actually the DP still belongs to Luthorcorp somehow?
And as you also said, he always emphasized that he has no interest in journalism and now all of a sudden he works at the DP, because he wants to be there where the action is??
Actually for this Clark a really weird and completely out of nowhere decision.

It is so unbelievable that he got the job with his non-existing qualification, but at least they could have shown us a little bit of the efforts for Clark to get it.

Well, we can't change anything anyway, but I personally, would have liked the feeling that our Clark Kent deserves to be at the DP. As it is now I think it's ridiculous and not plausible and I really don't get this:
The producers and all the writers knew the superman story and they also must have known, that one day, Clark Kent will be a reporter at the DP.
So why didn't they "prepare" this "Smallville" Clark Kent better for his future as a reporter? Let him go to college and finish it e.g.?
All they let him do was writing for the highschool newspaper. They totally lost this part of his "destiny" and let him struggle with Clana and Clana and Clana......

[Theshadow129x]

I agree with what you've said completely. First he tells Lois, that he will never work for Lex and now that Lex is out of the picture it doesn't matter for him, that actually the DP still belongs to Luthorcorp somehow?
And as you also said, he always emphasized that he has no interest in journalism and now all of a sudden he works at the DP, because he wants to be there where the action is??
Actually for this Clark a really weird and completely out of nowhere decision.

It is so unbelievable that he got the job with his non-existing qualification, but at least they could have shown us a little bit of the efforts for Clark to get it.

Well, we can't change anything anyway, but I personally, would have liked the feeling that our Clark Kent deserves to be at the DP. As it is now I think it's ridiculous and not plausible and I really don't get this:
The producers and all the writers knew the superman story and they also must have known, that one day, Clark Kent will be a reporter at the DP.
So why didn't they "prepare" this "Smallville" Clark Kent better for his future as a reporter? Let him go to college and finish it e.g.?
All they let him do was writing for the highschool newspaper. They totally lost this part of his "destiny" and let him struggle with Clana and Clana and Clana......


I forgot about Lex owning the Planet and thats a good point.

This is one of the major flaws about the show that hurt the development of Clark Kent. One of the most known traits of the character is the fact that he is a great reporter. The show never really explored his interest in journalism only a few times in the series did he do true investigating himself. Other than that he was simply mooching off of Chloe. Its a big problem in my opinion. They simply lightswitched Clark because they saw that they focused way to much on Clana. The minute they found out that KK didnt want to come back they saw that they screwed themselves on the development of Clark Kent, the main character, and just simply pushed him a step less than where he was supposed to be. Its a huge light switch. I dont care what anyone says, it is. You dont wake up one day and say "oh gee its time to grow up and move forward. how about being a reporter.." because thats simply what he did and what they wrote. i did like the episode after a second viewing but i still think alot was switched just to get the show going which shows the true flaws of the series. nothing was planned out from the beginning like they said because if it was then Clark wouldnt just now wanting to be a reporter it would have happened a long time ago.

[TOMophilus]

Well, just thank AlMiles for wasting two seasons with pointless Lana-pining rather than moving Clark forward... :mad:

[Theshadow129x]

its not AlMiles fault, though. Its all the producers as a whole. They sat around a table and discussed episodes all together and talked about how to move it forward. it wasnt just their fault it was all the writers as well, which includes ps3. this show wasnt thought out properly.

[Meteror Freak]

I AM A FAN WHO MISSED KRISTIN KREUK IN THE OPENING CREDITS AND IN THE SEASON OPENER AS A WHOLE!!!!

Yup sure did!!! I read all the comments that said they didn't well guess what, I DID!! If no one else on this site is going to show KK/Lana Lang some love, iiiiiiiii certainly will! haha :) :p

With that being said, the season opener wasn't the worst but it CERTAINLY wasn't the best! boo-yaw!

You're not alone! I missed her too!:D
P.S. I love the big, huge, enormous, eye-catching, rule breaking, fan annoying, letters.
;)

[Sweetie]

Not sure if you were joking but when I saw that scene, I turned my head and immediately turned back to the t.v. thinking the exact same thing! :eek:

Whadda coinkidink! :)

I wasn't jocking.I really thought it was the cape.But,I guess,they wanted to keep it for the finale episode :)

[Cyn]

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[KalEltheBoyscout]

Um...Nope. Phenomenal episode all around. They really improved from last season's O.K. (I still LOVED the Clark vs. Brainiac showdown).

[zorasuperman]

i think theres been worse season premiers but season 8 was pretty good to me

[doomsdaytitan]

this was a really good premiere imo. i thought the most boring premier was season 2's vortex. it was lame after clark saved lana from the tornado.

[ChaosMaster16]

IMO, if you look at the season 7 finale, and look at this, this a pretty good seasom premiere. Now, put aside that Lex's portrayer, Micheal R. left the show, and that Tess's portrayer has joined, and it is pretty good.

[USuperManC]

I think the vote sums up this entire thread right now 261 who didn't think it was the worst premiere and 60 who did. I loved it, nothing boring about it! If you did think it was boring sorry but you're the minority :)

[Kschreck]

This was a decent episode but definitely not one of my favorite season premiere episodes.

[rebecavaldez]

I actually thought the season premire was awesome!

[SleepingBeauty]

It was a great premier I liked it and it was definitely not the worst.

[Nimkong]

It wasent a terrible episode but its the worst compared to the others

[rebecavaldez]

I don't think it was bad at all.

[Antiyonder]

It was exciting. Good action and on the story side, Clark is finally trying not to stay in the past.