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Dr. Walden
08-04-2008, 02:52 PM
Round 6 results posted on the first page.

Round 7 voting ends August 7th at 5 PM EST

The options are...

Episode 19-
S1-Crush
S2-Precipice
S3-Memoria
S4-Blank
S5-Mercy
S6-Nemesis
S7-Quest

Episode 20:
S1-Obscura
S2-Witness
S3-Talisman
S4-Ageless
S5-Fade
S6-Noir
S7-Arctic

Episode 21:
S1-Tempest
S2-Accelerate
S3-Forsaken
S4-Forever
S5-Oracle
S6-Prototype


My choices are...

Episode 19-Precipice
Episode 20-Ageless
Episode 21-Forever

Episode 19 was no contest. A bunch of solid episodes up against this stinker. Helen was kind of the focus, which is just boring. Lex teaching Lana to fight was cool, but they ruined it with the unnecessary spin kick in the coffee shop with the girl punk rock music playing in the background. I guess Clark getting caught for a crime was a somewhat intriguing idea, given that he commits crimes left and right, but it wasn't very well executed.

Episode 20 had two bad ones in my mind—Noir and Ageless. I liked parts of Ageless, but in the end, Noir actually had a somewhat interesting plot, despite Jimmy being the focus. Ageless suffers because of a bad lead plot, even though I like a lot of what is going on underneath it (such as Lionel/Genevieve, and Lex wanting to experiment on Evan and Lex keeping things from Clark).

Episode 21 also has only 2 mediocre ones, given that I am a fan of Accelerate. Although I liked Accelerate, there was no reason to bring back Emily for another episode. It didn't have nearly the same creepy vibe as Accelerate. I did like what was going on with Pete, Lex and Lionel though. I thought Forever was worse. It had some "end of an era" moments, like the end of the Torch, but most of these moments were done much better in Commencement. The FOTW was just stupid. Lionel/Genevieve/Lex/Jason was cool, but if you take out the two cool Luthor subplots out of each episode, I like Forsaken more.

CallMeClark
08-04-2008, 03:12 PM
Episode 19 - Mercy

Episode 20 - Ageless

Episode 21 - Prototype

Lex Dance
08-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Episode 19 - Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Forever

Precipice - I'm taking your word for it, Dr. Walden, because I can't remember Crush!

Ageless - the worst ever episode of Smallville. I'll never forget looking at my wife and thinking "Are we really watching Smallville?!" However the episode is redeemed by Lex blatantly lying to Clark for the first time in the final scene. It's not so much the plot, which admittedly is very poor, it's the appalling script and the substandard delivery of those lines without a hint of tongues in cheeks.

Forever - I know what they were trying to do with the episode, but the metaphor was too clumsy and it didn't work for me. I don't hate it by any means, I just didn't like the FOTW and his Madame Tussauds effort! I like the final scene though, as Clark, Lana and Chloe walk away from school.
Dr. Walden, Forsaken was an episode I had largely forgotten about until I rewatched S3 last year. When I saw it again I found that I loved it. Not so much for the Emily story, but the excellent development of the Lex and Lionel story - particularly in that wonderful final scene where Lex closes his eyes as the FBI take his father away.

Shadowlord367
08-04-2008, 03:31 PM
Jared, really?

You didn't like Prototype and Mercy? This is a revealing game :D

I may be one of the few people who enjoyed the Clana-isms in Ageless, and liked Noir

lillie_poo_pod
08-04-2008, 03:32 PM
Episode 19- Quest
Episode 20- Ageless
Episode 21- Prototype

Jaderoyale
08-04-2008, 03:34 PM
Episode 19 Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless (no contest at all)
Episode 21 - Prototype

Vergon6
08-04-2008, 03:59 PM
I actually like "Prototype" oh well. I voted for it as I think my favorite episode 21 in the other thread ;)

As for "Mercy", I did not care for the villain (or the actor who played him), not very good at all. Also, I am not into the Saw movies, and any vague shout out, homage, or rip-off of them is not interesting in my books. "Forever" and "Ageless" had their moments, but the weakest out of the list for me. A guy who could turn people into wax, seems a little too much like a disturbed metaphor for Catcher in the Rye.

The exploding baby thing was a bit of ludicrous concept but despite what many people contend, it was not the worst episode in Smallville history. I think "Craving" is pretty up there on that list, but apparently not on this thread's list though, that's surprising.

Episode 19 - Mercy
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Forever

Dr. Walden
08-04-2008, 04:06 PM
I'm surprised at all the Prototype votes. I thought it was just okay, whereas Forsaken and Forever were downright mediocre. The only thing that bothers me about Prototype was that it kind of aborted the 33.1 storyline (along with Phantom) when, up until that point, it had been a rather huge arc. The prospect of an army of superfreaks was awesome (though probably hard to pull off), and I was upset they never really brought back the idea at all after Phantom.

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The exploding baby thing was a bit of ludicrous concept but despite what many people contend, it was not the worst episode in Smallville history. I think "Craving" is pretty up there on that list, but apparently not on this thread's list though, that's surprising.

I found it a bit surprising too. I voted for Magnetic, because I believed Craving had more redeeming elements, but given the main plot of Craving, I was surprised more people didn't vote for it.

quietone
08-04-2008, 05:15 PM
Episode 19 - Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Accelerate

lana 9
08-04-2008, 05:37 PM
episode 19mercy
episode 20 noir
episode 21 forever

skully
08-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Easiest round of them all:

Episode 19 - Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Forever

MrsK
08-04-2008, 06:10 PM
Episode 19 - Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Forever

Really no contest on any of these, and yet I didn't hate any of them, either.

I didn't like Paul Hayden, and I thought an episode this close to the end of the season should focus more on Clark, not Helen. Interesting concept seeing Clark deal with the legal consequences of his actions, but Lana becoming an expert at martial arts after one lesson and coming to the rescue? Didn't work for me at all.

I don't think I hated Ageless as much as some. I loved the Lionel/Genevieve scenes, Lex blatantly lying to Clark, and seeing Clark with baby Evan before he started his rapid aging (what a stupid plot!) - I loved him warming the bottle with his heat vision.

As others have said, I didn't like the FotW in Forever - his power, the special effect they used, etc. Also, I found the main plot to be too unbelievable even for a show like this. The Lex/Jason/Lionel/Genevieve plot was okay, although Jason was able to kidnap Lex a little too easily. I really did like the Clark/Jonathan scene in the loft and the end scene with Chloe taking down the Wall of Weird and then Clark, Lana, and Chloe leaving the school for the last time. The choice of Wonderlife's "Around the Way" in that scene was excellent, too.

skully
08-04-2008, 06:19 PM
I agree MrsK. There is not a single episode of SV that I "hate" but I do find some a little more boring than others. The ones both you and I have rated above count as 3 such episodes.

I think every episode of SV has some redeeming feature, whether it be some comedy, the backstory, some action moment or classic line.

xrayvision
08-04-2008, 06:38 PM
Episode 19: Precipice
Episode 20: Ageless
Episode 21: Forever


For episode 19, I had to be honest and objective and choose Precipice even though Quest really bothered me with how much nonsense was going on. I thought Paul Hayden was a cool villian, but wish he went after more than just Helen (they should have made him go after Helen's friends like Lex, and maybe even Lana). I liked that motel scene that showed how sick Paul was. But that was about the only part I liked. I disliked Quest in so many ways because of all the contradictions and nonsense in that episode. But the Lex scenes alone with the clock and in the mansion and the one in the plane as he's heading back to the mansion made me choose Precipice as my least favorite episode 19.

For Episode 20, as much as I hated Arctic because it was the biggest letdown after waiting all those years to see how Clark vs. Lex would be resolved in the end and because they took away what could have been a classic Clark vs. Brainiac fight just to have some beyond ridiculous scene with Chloe & Brainiac, I still had to choose Ageless because of how bad that episode was.

For Episode 21, I liked all the episodes but had to choose Forever as the weakest episode since I thought all other episode 19's were stronger. I enjoyed the Luthors vs. Teagues scenes and ever the Chloe trapped scenes. But like I said, Tempest, Accelerate, Forsaken, Oracle, and Prototype were all stronger episodes with Tempest being the best of the bunch for me.

BadToad
08-04-2008, 07:28 PM
Episode 19-Precipice

Episode 20-Ageless

Episode 21:Prototype

MBrittan
08-04-2008, 08:02 PM
Episode 19: Crush - I did not care for the telekinesis kid.
Episode 20: Obscura - Not much "good" came out of season 1. This episode is no exception.
Episode 21: Forever - Not a "bad" episode, but totally out of place in this spot. It just didn't seem to "fit" at the end of the season when they were otherwise building towards a climax with the elements, the black ship, and the Fortress....and suddenly we have Wax Boy - tell me again Wax Boy, why are you here? lol :rotfl:

minerva73
08-04-2008, 08:13 PM
Episode 19 Choice: Precipice (Quest would've been my second or third choice)
Episode 20 Choice: Noir
Episode 21 Choice: Prototype

SuperKyptonGirl13
08-04-2008, 09:38 PM
Episode 19 : Quest

Episode 20 : Ageless

Episode 21: Forsaken( with prototype coming in at a close second)

Johnny_Luck
08-04-2008, 10:08 PM
Episode 19-

S5-Mercy

The plot and acting was so bad in this episode and the way they had clark dealing it was even more unrealistic than normal. Precipice is a very solid episode, sadly it looks like it will lose.


Episode 20:

S2-Witness



S6-Prototype

God this episode was awful awful acting awful idea and placed in a horrid part of the season for a Lois dreary episode. Forever had a cool freak of the week who if anyone honestly asked themselves how they felt when leaving high school they pretty much felt the same way, it made sense for the ending of the 4 year mood of the show and overall was just a lot of fun, too bad it too will get voted worse, when its one of the only solid episode on that list.

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Episode 20: Obscura - Not much "good" came out of season 1. This episode is no exception.

Not much good came out of season 1?

Pilot, Metamorphosis, Obscura, Stray, X-ray, Hug, Jitters, Nicodemus were all either solid or really good, at least from my point of view.

SparkleforSmallville
08-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Episode 19 ~ Precipice
Episode 20 ~ Ageless
Episode 21 ~ Forever

The Funeral scene, in the rain, at the end of Crush, with "Time After Time" playing! One of my top favorite scenes.

Atomic girl
08-05-2008, 01:20 AM
Episode 19:
Season 7 - Quest

Episode 20:
Season 4 - Ageless

Episode 21:
Season 4 - Forever

Xanderman
08-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Wow Precipice is getting destroyed, lol I really like that ep (love the Helen character/actress). And Mercy I had voted best on the sister thread (but I'm a Saw fan so it probably spoke to me more than it did others I guess, heh). I'll have my votes later today hopefully but so far I'm not liking what I'm seeing...lol

Lex Dance
08-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Xanderman, I like Precipice even though I voted for it. Without seeing Quest I had to use a process of elimination. I couldn't remember Crush at the time but now that I do, I still think I went for the right episode. I really enjoyed the Helen arc too by the way (what's this? A Lex story you got on board with?! ;) )
As for Mercy - great episode! That lift catch and Lionel's face were amazing. Plus I loved the conversation between Lex and Lionel when the former came to inspect the wreckage!

Although I didn't go with Prototype, I have to agree with some of the comments about the acting and script. I loved the opening but after that it didn't live up to expectations. My wife (who has rapidly lost patience with the show since S5) kept laughing at the Lois and Wes interaction - it was very off-putting! :lol:

MBrittan
08-05-2008, 06:34 PM
I have to admit, that Paul Hayden guy from Precipice was kind of creepy...
-M-

Dr. Walden
08-05-2008, 09:21 PM
I think Precipice could have been good, it just failed to take off. Paul Hayden was creepy, but he needed another dimension for the episode to be good. Lovesick stalker has been done, repeatedly.

Xanderman
08-06-2008, 12:55 AM
19. Crush (S1)

Far and away the weakest episode in this group, imo. My two favorite eps, Mercy and Precipice, are getting the most votes however. Lol funny how that works.

20. Noir (S6)

This one's another gimme, Noir is one of the worst episodes of Smallville ever in my ever-judging eyes. God I hate Jimmy... :lol:

21. Forsaken (S3)

Another bottom-of-the-barrel wonder from Smallville if there ever was one...lol what a bad, bad episode. However there is a very close second here not to be overlooked--S2's Accelerate--another episode truly worthy of dishonorable mention...heh (and I can't believe all the S6-Prototype votes I'm seeing...that was a really enjoyable ep to me. How it could be voted ahead of Forsaken and Accelerate is a mystery probably not worth solving, lol...as always to each his/her own.)



I really enjoyed the Helen arc too by the way (what's this? A Lex story you got on board with?! ;) )Lol you're alluding to my "bah humbug" take on Lexmas no doubt, heh... But all scroogeries aside, I was definitely on board for the Helen arc, right with ya on that one LD buddy.:) Season 2 was my favorite season.

Twitch
08-06-2008, 12:56 AM
Episode 19 - Precipice
Episode 20 - Ageless
Episode 21 - Forever

Lex Dance
08-06-2008, 06:21 AM
Lol you're alluding to my "bah humbug" take on Lexmas no doubt, heh...
And Zero. In fact I had money on you voting for Onyx a few rounds back, just to complete your trilogy of hate for all things Lex-centric. :lol:
Thanks for the kind words re Lexmas by the way. ;)

But all scroogeries aside, I was definitely on board for the Helen arc, right with ya on that one LD buddy.:) Season 2 was my favorite season.
Yep, S2 is right up there. Just can't believe some of the things you said about S3. Un-be-liev-able!

Xanderman
08-06-2008, 11:29 AM
I had money on you voting for Onyx a few rounds back, just to complete your trilogy of hate for all things Lex-centric.:lol: I don't hate all things Lexcentric, LD -- I just hate bad episodes! Lol and if a bad episode happens to have some share of its focus on Lex, well I'm afraid that just makes him collateral damage. lol (Onyx was a good episode, I liked it. It knocks both Zero and Lexmas out of the park and then some for me.)

As for S3, I just think it's way, way on the overrated side (the second half in particular is what brings the season down to last place for me). I don't hate S3 by any stretch, I mean clearly we all love Smallville here. It's just the weakest season to me, comparatively speaking.

And just thought I'd throw out there while I'm at it that I thought Forever was an ok episode, better than both Forsaken and Accelerate, but clearly I'm in the minority on that opinion as Forever is getting its balls handed to it in this here contest...heh

Lex Dance
08-06-2008, 01:36 PM
^^^^^ Only messing with you over the Lex-centric stuff. Just fancied making a sweeping statement - it doesn't happen too often, honest!

Talking of Onyx, I just saw Fracture for the first time last night and obviously comparisons can be made between the two. I haven't had a chance to reread the posts that people made about Fracture a week or so ago, but I remember getting the overall impression that it wasn't well received. Personally I thought it was a great episode (despite the sci-fi B movie premise and dialogue between Lionel and his "doctor") I vaguely remember there being accusations of hammy acting by MR; but if there was, I can't see how it was any worse than in the very well received Onyx.
Just going to take a look back.......

Xanderman
08-06-2008, 04:22 PM
^I loved Fracture (after my first and only viewing of it so far anyway). If you're interested here's the review I wrote for it in its ksite section after it aired:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599121&postcount=72

minerva73
08-06-2008, 05:33 PM
Just read your review, Xanderman, and I pretty much agreed with most of it. You'll find out more about your question on Kara soon. :)

borednow
08-06-2008, 08:48 PM
Episode 19-
S7-Quest

Episode 20:
S4-Ageless


Episode 21:
S2-Accelerate

Lex Dance
08-07-2008, 06:26 AM
Thanks for the link, Xanderman - I enjoyed reading it. If I had time I'd respond to some of your comments about the Lex/Lilian relationship........

Reading back on people's posts about Fracture, it seems it was better received than I first thought. I think some people voted for it on Episode Wars (yourself included?) Seems that most enjoyed the premise of the story, but just felt it was a little let down by some of the smaller details (ie. Lex being taken to Smallville rather than Detroit etc.) Regardless of being shot point-blank in the head and only being in a coma, I love the way that Lex has no scar - it's reminiscent of Lionel's cancer recovery in Transference.

When I get the chance, I'll post some other things I really liked about the episode on Episode Wars.

Dr. Walden
08-07-2008, 06:02 PM
Sorry for being so late on this. Results are posted on the first page.

Final round ends on August 10th at 5 PM EST. Statistical analysis at that time for those who care to read.

The options are...

Episode 22:
S2-Calling/Exodus
S3-Covenant
S4-Commencement
S5-Vessel
S6-Phantom


My choice is...

Episode 22-Vessel

Really no contest here. Not a bad episode, but bad for a finale. Like I said in Episode Wars, I love this episode when paired with Zod, but alone it was quite lackluster for a finale. Phantom would have been my second choice. Very good episode, but doesn't come close to touching the other 3 finales, all of which are amazing beyond words, and virtually tied in my book.

BadToad
08-07-2008, 06:37 PM
Episode 22 - Phantom

But I really could've gone either way between Vessel and Phantom, but I think Vessel gets a slight edge on Clark's characterization.

MBrittan
08-07-2008, 07:56 PM
Episode 22: Vessel - Not a bad episode, unless you consider that they blew a chance to use the REAL ZOD. I never cared for the "Zod in Lex's body" idea. And by the way, Lana walking past all of those people on the street (with the world on the verge of tearing itself apart), just so she could get to Lex at the top of Luthorcorp? Nice. Well done Lana. Way to have your priorities in the right place. Screw the world, just as long as my relationship is in a good place. I lost a lot of respect for her character after that.
-M-

xrayvision
08-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Episode 22: Vessel


This was a no contest for me. Things in the plot were changed too much (from an actual virus to a computer virus). I didn't like how Clark said "maybe Jor-El's warning was right" or something to that nature. It showed how stupid he was being portrayed and how he still didn't know that Jor-El's warnings always come true. I didn't like the Clark having to kill Lex plot because it just made Clark look bad. I hated Lexana and that horrible riot scene, which makes no sense (in NY and all over the East Coast we had a giant blackout in 2003 that lasted much longer than the one in Vessel-Zod and nothing like that happened). I also wanted a seperate Zod, not Zod possessing Lex. The Martha-Lois cliffhanger was really unnecessary. Brainiac was sacrificed for nothing. The whole episode just felt anti-climactic and completely predictable.

SuperKyptonGirl13
08-07-2008, 08:44 PM
Episode 22 : Exodus ~ I don't hate it , it's just the least on my list

Vergon6
08-07-2008, 08:48 PM
Episode 22-Exodus-Just like the poster above me, it's not that I didn't like the episode. It was excellent, but it was judgment call I guess.

Atomic girl
08-07-2008, 09:34 PM
Episode 22:
Season 4 - Commencement

MrsK
08-07-2008, 09:48 PM
Episode 22: Vessel

smallvillefreak24
08-07-2008, 09:52 PM
Episode 22 Vessel


missed the round but IF i didn't

Episode 19 Quest

Episode 20 Fade

Episode 21 Forever

Québec
08-07-2008, 10:17 PM
Episode 22: Vessel

SparkleforSmallville
08-07-2008, 11:20 PM
Episode 22 ~ Vessel

Although, I did like seeing Clark spinning away in the Portal to the Phantom Zone.and him catching the car that crashed thru the Daily Planet, was really cool!

Dr. Walden
08-08-2008, 01:09 AM
Although, I did like seeing Clark spinning away in the Portal to the Phantom Zone.and him catching the car that crashed thru the Daily Planet, was really cool!

Yeah I loved when he caught the car. Great moment.

quietone
08-08-2008, 06:09 AM
Episode 22 - Vessel

skully
08-08-2008, 06:14 AM
None of 'em are bad but by process of elimination:

Episode 22 - Vessel

minerva73
08-08-2008, 06:54 AM
Episode 22: Vessel

I pretty much agree with everything xrayvision said about the episode in his post.

lana 9
08-08-2008, 12:43 PM
episode 22covenant

Xanderman
08-08-2008, 01:57 PM
22. Covenant (S3)

- This and S6's Phantom are the two weakest finales to me. Reposting my comments about them from Episode Wars...

Covenant -- way too slow-paced for a finale. Season finales shouldn't be putting you to sleep--the verdict is: Boring (thanks mainly to that fake Kara plotline). Covenant is way overrated, imo.

Phantom -- what a lame finale, a totally weak ending to one of my favorite seasons. They should have worked Green Arrow/Oliver into the end somehow, his character is one of the reasons S6 was as great as it was for me. Bizarro Clark--lame. Chloe's magical healing tear--lame. Lana's car blowing up/death faking cliche--totally lame (I mean hello, they basically already did this before, with Chloe and that house explosion in Covenant). And Martian Manhunter? I don't need to tell you how lame everything to do with that guy is...heh



Just read your review, Xanderman, and I pretty much agreed with most of it. You'll find out more about your question on Kara soon. :)Cool glad we were on the same page. As for me finding out more soon, do you mean in Season 8? Because I've seen all of S7 already, that review I wrote after Fracture aired. I'm not sure they ever really addressed that Kara plothole... All I remember was her getting her memories restored--were her powers restored at the same time? Were her powers ever taken away? I must be forgetting something…


Thanks for the link, Xanderman - I enjoyed reading it. If I had time I'd respond to some of your comments about the Lex/Lilian relationship........
Reading back on people's posts about Fracture, it seems it was better received than I first thought. I think some people voted for it on Episode Wars (yourself included?) Thanks, and yes I believe I voted for it.

SparkleforSmallville
08-08-2008, 02:18 PM
Xanderman, Kara's memory and Powers were both restored by Jor-EL (at Chloe's request), so Kara could rescue Clark in "Traveler".:)

minerva73
08-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Cool glad we were on the same page. As for me finding out more soon, do you mean in Season 8? Because I've seen all of S7 already, that review I wrote after Fracture aired. I'm not sure they ever really addressed that Kara plothole... All I remember was her getting her memories restored--were her powers restored at the same time? Were her powers ever taken away? I must be forgetting something…

Oh, I feel dumb now. :lol: I thought that you just wrote the review b/c you just saw Fracture last week (like Lex Dance, I think). I didn't realize that the review was all the way from February when it aired. :lol:

SparkleforSmallville is right about the memory thing. I guess that her powers were restored at the same time because Chloe and Lana were going on about how they needed someone with powers to break into the Krypto-prison and save Clark.

Dr. Walden
08-08-2008, 02:54 PM
Responding to Xanderman...

I voted Covenant in the Episode Wars...I would now change that to Calling/Exodus if I could. I actually think a fake Kara episode could have worked in the middle of a season. I think it was good for revealing Clark's feelings of being absolutely alone on Earth and some of the desires for a companion just like himself (as seen in Visitor too). For a finale though, it was kind of lame and slow-moving. The episode is still great though.

I thought Phantom was good overall, but it was just a lame ending to all the arcs of the season. It basically ignored 33.1, and I guess it resolved the Zoner arc by having Bizarro destroy the crystal (I think), but both were kind of lame endings to the two biggest arcs of the season. The only arc that was sufficiently wrapped up was Lexana, which isn't really an arc, but whatever. It definitely should have incorporated the JL and 33.1 more, instead of going for Bizarro (which was cool, but could have waited).

borednow
08-08-2008, 07:40 PM
Phantom-

I thought that every five minutes the writer was popping out of the same closet screaming "Surprise!" it might have worked if you didn't see it coming... but then it would only work once... no replay value at all.

Xanderman
08-09-2008, 05:03 PM
Xanderman, Kara's memory and Powers were both restored by Jor-EL (at Chloe's request), so Kara could rescue Clark in "Traveler".:)Yeah but I didn't realize her powers were taken away along with her memories, and if they were I don't think they really made that clear. At least it wasn't clear to me. It seemed to me that she got amnesia and that was it, in terms of what we were shown/told in the story. Then she got her memories restored, and suddenly she was using her powers again, implying she had in fact lost her powers before--but where/when exactly was that little tidbit made clear in the story?


SparkleforSmallville is right about the memory thing. I guess that her powers were restored at the same time because Chloe and Lana were going on about how they needed someone with powers to break into the Krypto-prison and save Clark.Right, but I still don't recall the show making it clear that Kara lost her powers as well when she lost her memory. Did they? And if so, how/when?


I voted Covenant in the Episode Wars...I would now change that to Calling/Exodus if I could. I actually think a fake Kara episode could have worked in the middle of a season. I think it was good for revealing Clark's feelings of being absolutely alone on Earth and some of the desires for a companion just like himself (as seen in Visitor too). For a finale though, it was kind of lame and slow-moving. The episode is still great though.As I joked on ep wars, Calling/Exodus really is a no-brainer because Exodus was a good finale and Calling was a good ep itself, putting them together against any one episode, finale or not, that other episode loses, heh. As for Covenant, the fake Kara stuff was ultimately just a device they used to get Clark to the point he was at the end of course, getting "reborn" and all. Perhaps it could have been more exciting/interesting if it was handled differently, but as it stands it really brings down Covenant for me (can we blame the director?). Personally I don't consider it a great episode at all, save for a few parts.


I thought Phantom was good overall, but it was just a lame ending to all the arcs of the season. It basically ignored 33.1, and I guess it resolved the Zoner arc by having Bizarro destroy the crystal (I think), but both were kind of lame endings to the two biggest arcs of the season. The only arc that was sufficiently wrapped up was Lexana, which isn't really an arc, but whatever. It definitely should have incorporated the JL and 33.1 more, instead of going for Bizarro (which was cool, but could have waited).Definitely a lame ending for some of the arcs, way too much nonsense/silliness to swallow in one sitting. Personally I found Bizarro lame. We were given/introduced to "Zod" in Lex form (or MR form) as a main villain in the previous finale, and then here in the very next finale guess what it's TW's turn. So lame. lol (But it does play into the following season's theme of "attack of the clones" I guess so it gets some points there I suppose.) And why they felt the need to make the ridiculous "Martian Manhunter" character a part of the finale instead of Oliver/GA is a complete mystery to me.

MrsK
08-09-2008, 05:28 PM
Yeah but I didn't realize her powers were taken away along with her memories, and if they were I don't think they really made that clear. At least it wasn't clear to me. It seemed to me that she got amnesia and that was it, in terms of what we were shown/told in the story. Then she got her memories restored, and suddenly she was using her powers again, implying she had in fact lost her powers before--but where/when exactly was that little tidbit made clear in the story?

Right, but I still don't recall the show making it clear that Kara lost her powers as well when she lost her memory. Did they? And if so, how/when?



Clark commented to Chloe in Fracture that Kara had a bandage on her arm, and that that probably meant she was without her powers.

SparkleforSmallville
08-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Yeah but I didn't realize her powers were taken away along with her memories, and if they were I don't think they really made that clear. At least it wasn't clear to me. It seemed to me that she got amnesia and that was it, in terms of what we were shown/told in the story. Then she got her memories restored, and suddenly she was using her powers again, implying she had in fact lost her powers before--but where/when exactly was that little tidbit made clear in the story?

Right, but I still don't recall the show making it clear that Kara lost her powers as well when she lost her memory. Did they? And if so, how/when?

Well, I accidently erased Fracture from my dvr, twice:/ But I remember, At the smallville Hosp. when Lionel showed Clark and Chloe the cel phone (that Lionel got from his police friend) Chloe said what was Lex doing with Lois' phone. They saw a picture of Kara, and Clark said, "Kara's got a bandage on her arm, she must not have her powers." or "she's lost her powers". How and when, was never explained, it happened at the end of Blue, when Clark destroyed Zor-El's crystal, and Kara disappeared. Jor-El said that was not his doing.

Also there was a scene, where Kara burns her arm and Finley wraps it up. can't remember if that scene was a Directors cut and not shown.

Does anyone else remeber anything else?

----- Added 14 Minutes later -----

MrsK, we were answering the same question at the same time!:lol:

Xanderman
08-09-2008, 06:50 PM
Clark commented to Chloe in Fracture that Kara had a bandage on her arm, and that that probably meant she was without her powers.Ah ok thanks, I missed that I guess. A significant little plot point right there, lol. Smallville really does enjoy putting all its eggs in one basket doesn't it, heh.


Well, I accidently erased Fracture from my dvr, twice:/ But I remember, At the smallville Hosp. when Lionel showed Clark and Chloe the cel phone (that Lionel got from his police friend) Chloe said what was Lex doing with Lois' phone. They saw a picture of Kara, and Clark said, "Kara's got a bandage on her arm, she must not have her powers." or "she's lost her powers". How and when, was never explained, it happened at the end of Blue, when Clark destroyed Zor-El's crystal, and Kara disappeared. Jor-El said that was not his doing.

Also there was a scene, where Kara burns her arm and Finley wraps it up. can't remember if that scene was a Directors cut and not shown.

Does anyone else remeber anything else?Thanks for the detailed explanation, I totally missed that....it would have been nice if I paid more attention when it aired, but we can't have everything I guess... lol


MrsK, we were answering the same question at the same time!:lol:I hate when that happens, lol. You wrote more so she beat you to it, you see. MrsK was thinking two steps ahead... lol

MBrittan
08-09-2008, 08:47 PM
----- Added 31 Seconds later -----


it would have been nice if I paid more attention when it aired

Don't feel bad. I'm the same way. I always wait for the DVDs to come out, then I end up watching the entire season all the way through like 4 or 5 consecutive times. I only watch the episodes once on their first run, unless it's really good, then I don't erase if from my TIVO. Justice and Quest are two examples of episodes I kept/am keeping on my TIVO until the DVD set came out.
-M-

Dr. Walden
08-10-2008, 03:05 PM
Results are posted on the first page. Thanks so much to everyone who voted! Some interesting things I tallied up out of boredom.

Total votes

Season 1-59
Season 2-67
Season 3-42
Season 4-91
Season 5-81
Season 6-80
Season 7-79

First place wins

Season 1-2
Season 2-3
Season 3-2
Season 4-3
Season 5-5
Season 6-2
Season 7-5

Second place (Receiving 3 or more votes)

Season 1-3
Season 2-2
Season 3-0
Season 4-6
Season 5-3
Season 6-4
Season 7-2

Number of episodes receiving votes:

Season 1-13 (11 received multiple votes)
Season 2-12 (8 received multiple votes)
Season 3-11 (8 received multiple votes)
Season 4-15 (12 received multiple votes)
Season 5-15 (11 received multiple votes)
Season 6-15 (10 received multiple votes)
Season 7-15 (10 received multiple votes)


I kind of tried to normalize all this with a simple formula to weight total votes, first place wins, and episodes receiving multiple votes more highly than second place finishes and total episodes receiving votes. And then of course, I had to correct for the variation of number of episodes in the seasons. I felt taking all these stats into consideration was important instead of just total votes or total wins, because a few bad episodes can artificially inflate the totals of a season. The results looked like this (lower is better, btw):

1-445.7
2-438.52
3-101.31
4-1526.01
5-627.426
6-629.82
7-1324.92

MBrittan
08-10-2008, 06:01 PM
Results are posted on the first page. Thanks so much to everyone who voted! Some interesting things I tallied up out of boredom.

Total votes

Season 1-59
Season 2-67
Season 3-42
Season 4-91
Season 5-81
Season 6-80
Season 7-79

First place wins

Season 1-2
Season 2-3
Season 3-2
Season 4-3
Season 5-5
Season 6-2
Season 7-5

Second place (Receiving 3 or more votes)

Season 1-3
Season 2-2
Season 3-0
Season 4-6
Season 5-3
Season 6-4
Season 7-2

Number of episodes receiving votes:

Season 1-13 (11 received multiple votes)
Season 2-12 (8 received multiple votes)
Season 3-11 (8 received multiple votes)
Season 4-15 (12 received multiple votes)
Season 5-15 (11 received multiple votes)
Season 6-15 (10 received multiple votes)
Season 7-15 (10 received multiple votes)


I kind of tried to normalize all this with a simple formula to weight total votes, first place wins, and episodes receiving multiple votes more highly than second place finishes and total episodes receiving votes. And then of course, I had to correct for the variation of number of episodes in the seasons. I felt taking all these stats into consideration was important instead of just total votes or total wins, because a few bad episodes can artificially inflate the totals of a season. The results looked like this (lower is better, btw):

1-445.7
2-438.52
3-101.31
4-1526.01
5-627.426
6-629.82
7-1324.92

I'm confused.
-M-

minerva73
08-15-2008, 03:09 PM
First place wins

Season 1-2
Season 2-3
Season 3-2
Season 4-3
Season 5-5
Season 6-2
Season 7-5

Second place (Receiving 3 or more votes)

Season 1-3
Season 2-2
Season 3-0
Season 4-6
Season 5-3
Season 6-4
Season 7-2

Wow, that's cool that Season 5 and Season 7 tied for second place. Maybe it's not so cool b/c those episodes are the "worst", but still...

Thanks for hosting the round, Dr.Walden! :D

Lex Dance
08-26-2008, 04:27 AM
Dang - missed the last round of voting due to being away. But just wanted to say thanks to Dr. Walden for hosting the thread - it's been fun!

skully
08-26-2008, 04:31 AM
Nice analysis, Dr W.

So based on our little K-site sample, statistically the least worst season was S3 and worst was S4.

It'd be interesting if a similar analysis of the votes was done for V-man's thread. Although I think he'd have to PM you the voting and let you do the stats work!! :)

Lex Dance
08-27-2008, 03:21 PM
Next choice is without question Veritas (which would have taken the cake had it not been for Sacred). So many things in this episode were beyond ridiculous (Kara travelling through open space unprotected to the exposure of red solar radiation as she went back to Krypton, the very presence of time travel in this show, Swann having a journal after he never was shown to have one previously and didn't give it to Clark when he died, Lionel knowing that Clark would show up in Smallville on the day of the meteor shower---something not even Swann knew, etc). In the comics, retcons are explained through the Crisis and its effects. But in this show nothing was explained and Veritas just ignored the entire past events that the show established.
Veritas aired in the UK last night and I've got to say that I enjoyed it very much. Prior to S7 even starting over here, SparkleForSmallville (I think it was) told me it was an episode to really look forward to. But then over time I picked up on this idea from a number of posters, mainly yourself xray, that it butchered much of what had gone before it. Would you mind expanding upon those points of yours that I quoted above? Your knowledge of the finer details of Smallville is much better than mine; plus I've only seen Veritas once so I'm already finding it hard to remember where the plotholes might be. Because of things I had read on here, I have to admit that I watched Veritas expecting to be outraged, but as I mentioned above - I really enjoyed it!
Many thanks in advance.....

xrayvision
05-22-2009, 11:02 PM
We need Dr. Walden back to pick this up during the summer hiatus.

ooglebug
05-23-2009, 04:48 AM
all i know is that sleeper sucked sooooo much
i hate that episode
it was awful
the plot just sucked
the music sucked
the directing was awful
even the fake blood was a total fail...
i liked jimmy in it but his character was given the dumbest crap ever

and that is all
lool

xrayvision
05-23-2009, 04:52 AM
^^Well, we'll all have our chance to vote once Dr. Walden shows up & posts this year's version of the Anti Episode Wars. In case he doesn't, maybe vyperman (Ryan) will do it when he does the Episode Wars, which will probably start in a few weeks (usually starts in late May/early June). I know what my worst 22nd episode is from now :\

Lex Dance
05-29-2009, 04:24 PM
Without searching back through the posts, I have a funny feeling vyperman took issue with Anti-Episode Wars. Could be wrong though.
Dr Walden not been around much then?

HeroesUnlimited
06-15-2009, 09:01 PM
who runs this one?

SGuthrie27
06-15-2009, 10:38 PM
It was somebody named Dr. Walden. I haven't seen him around the boards since I've been back this year...

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

HeroesUnlimited
06-15-2009, 10:42 PM
Anyone willing to take it on?

SGuthrie27
06-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Hmmm... It looks like it'd be pretty simple. I wouldn't mind. Or maybe we could co-run it, you think, HU? If vyperman7 doesn't mind, of course. I love his Episode Wars, too. This is just a fun way of picking the worst episodes and hearing people's opinions.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

HeroesUnlimited
06-15-2009, 10:47 PM
I'd like to participate. I'm not sure how much help I'd be, lol ;)

SGuthrie27
06-15-2009, 10:52 PM
Well, we can run it the same way that vyperman7 runs the Episode Wars. Each person can only vote once per round, and the highest vote getters become part of the "Worst Season Ever!" We'll give people three days to post their votes for each three new episodes. So, the schedule breakdown will be as follows:

June 16th-18th - Episodes 1-3
June 19th-21st - Episodes 4-6
June 22nd-24th - Episodes 7-9
June 25th-27th - Episodes 10-12
June 28th-30th - Episodes 13-15
July 1st-3rd - Episodes 16-18
July 4th-6th - Episodes 19-21
July 7th-9th - Episode 22 (and possibly throw in 23?)

So, I say we go ahead and open the voting for the first three episodes in... about ten minutes (at midnight).

Here are the episodes you can choose from that you believe to be the WORST of each set!

Episode 1:
1) Pilot
2) Vortex
3) Exile
4) Crusade
5) Arrival
6) Zod
7) Bizarro
8) Odyssey

Episode 2:
1) Metamorphosis
2) Heat
3) Phoenix
4) Gone
5) Mortal
6) Sneeze
7) Kara
8) Plastique

Episode 3:
1) Hothead
2) Duplicity
3) Extinction
4) Facade
5) Hidden
6) Wither
7) Fierce
8) Toxic

Sound good? If so, let the voting begin in... 9 minutes, now!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

super_j_man
06-15-2009, 10:54 PM
Looks like the rules are the same as the original Episode Wars. I'm also willing to help if y'all need me to. Sounds good to me SG!

HeroesUnlimited
06-15-2009, 10:59 PM
HU's Views:

-Episode 1: Vortex (not a bad episode at all. Just the least exciting of the premieres IMO)
-Episode 2: Metamorphosis (A could never get interested in the whole Bug Boy thing. Sneeze and Plastique were close seconds.)
-Episode 3: Fierce (the whole beauty pagent thing was kind of pointless. Not that I mind seeing Kara barely dressed, but in terms of story, it was seriously lacking IMO. Wither and Duplicity were close seconds, primarily because of the Lexana sex and frankly, I never cared for Pete Ross. I especially didn't like him knowing Clark's secret. He always seemed sooo jealous of Clark.)

SGuthrie27
06-15-2009, 11:08 PM
Welcome aboard, Jess! We'll be the three amigos manning this thread, then! :D

Okay, here are my votes:
Episode 1: Bizarro - This was a little tricky, because really, all the premiere episodes have something good going for them. I just had to go with one that I thought was weaker by comparison, and for me, it boiled down to the fact that I just really wasn't a big fan of Season 7 as a whole, at least not in its early stages. Bizarro wasn't one of my favorite villains that was introduced, the Lana-faked-her-death angle was something I'd seen coming a mile away, and Lex's momentary appearance of wanting to turn good again... I don't know, I just didn't care for it all that much. It still had some good moments, though.

Episode 2 - Heat - I know I'll be in the minority on this one, since so many people seem to love "Heat," but I just found it to be so incredibly skanky by "Smallville" standards, especially so early in the show's run. I didn't care for Desiree Atkins at all as a character. Nor did I like the way that any chance of a Chlark romance was shoved even further under the rug.

Episode 3 - Facade - Ohhhh, "Facade." Where do I begin? Kryptonite plastic surgery? Scabby Abby kissing Lana? Lana getting knocked out for the bazillionth time by a mirror falling on her face while she screams 'cause she thinks her skin's rotting? Not even a throw-away flashback return appearance of Whitney Fordman could save this episode, LOL. "Fierce" comes in for a close second.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

super_j_man
06-15-2009, 11:13 PM
Episode 1: Odyssey
Episode 2: Metamorphosis
Episode 3: Facade

Oyssey gets my vote for the worst premiere, only because it was the only premiere to not get me exicted for the season. Where as Zod and Bizarro were improvements for their respective previous finales, Odyssey just didn't cut it for and live up to the SV premiere standard.

I'll go with Metamorphosis for Episode numero dos. I agree with what vyperman said on the original E Wars thread about the episode growing on you after a while, though the negative moments greatly outweigh the positive.

The third episodes have been known for being pretty bad, but Facade just takes the cake on this one. 1) Lois at SV High, 2) terrible FotW plot, 3) too cheesy and 4) did I mention Lois at SV High?

lana 9
06-15-2009, 11:38 PM
episode 1-odyssey
episode 2-gone
episode 3-wither

costas22
06-15-2009, 11:50 PM
What? There is an anti-Episode wars competition too? Nice!

Episode 1 - Zod
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Wither

Tough call as far as the premieres go. I like them all. While i think that Odyssey was the weakest one, i have sympathy for it due to the circumstances. It picked off after the show lost Al/Miles, KK, MR and LV and it had a lot of explaining to do. I liked Zod less because i didn't like one or two things that connected it to Vessel. For example, i didn't want want Lexana to continue and i wanted to see more of Chlark after the kiss in Vessel. I thought that the Chlark friendship was never the same after Zod. Introducing Jimmy was cool, but after Doomsday what does that mean anyway?

I picked Metamorphosis over Sneeze at the last minute, because in Sneeze we got introduced to a new power. Metamorphosis had the introduction of lead as Clark's protection from Kryptonite but there wasn't as much emphasis on it.

I picked Wither as the worst because it set in motion the Lana babay arc. Third episodes are never the best, but they don't often have such a negative affect for the forthcoming season.

Supsfan
06-15-2009, 11:58 PM
This is just a fun way of picking the worst episodes and hearing people's opinions.

I usually find it funnier to pick apart the crappy episodes then the good ones :P

Episode 1: Exile

As I pointed out in the best episode, I really dislike this episode for the simple fact I hate "my life sucks Clark" type episodes. It was good when I first watched it but over time seeing Clark hating his life more and more and bad stuff happening to him even more often, it loses any good memories of first watching it.

Episode 2: Phoenix

More whoa is me Clark. Clana by this point started getting a little redundant, and I think this was the 10th time they broke up because of "secrets", although they never were offically an item to begin with. Not a terrible episode but the worst of the lot.

Episode 3: Hothead

Slight edge of Hothead over Toxic, but a Football coach who turns into fire is a wee bit to much.

MrsK
06-16-2009, 12:02 AM
episode 1-Vortex - not bad, just my least favorite
episode 2-Metamorphosis - Again, I like most of the 2nd episodes. Metamorphosis had some good parts; I didn't like the bug boy plot much, though
episode 3-Wither - Lexana sex - enough said!!

skully
06-16-2009, 01:43 AM
Vortex - the worst of a great bunch.
Metamorphosis - again, not a bad epi, just pips Gone which had the most out of place (and badly acted) freak in SV history with Trent the Terminator.
Fierce - one of the most pointless filler episodes ever.

BadToad
06-16-2009, 07:43 AM
Episode 1: Bizarro
Episode 2: Plastique
Episode 3: Fierce

tyson08
06-16-2009, 08:50 AM
Episode 1: Vortex
Episode 2: Metamorphosis
Episode 3: Fierce

Vortex wasn't a bad episode, it was just my least favorite, it was still good though.

Fierce, although had sexy women, it was horrible filler.

Saph
06-16-2009, 08:58 AM
Episode 1: Vortex
Episode 2: Metamorphosis
Episode 3: Fierce

marcella
06-16-2009, 11:07 AM
Episode 1: Vortex - It was the less exciting for me
Episode 2: Metamorphosis - Bug Boy? argh
Episode 3: Wither - Ended with Clark brooding in the barn and has the Lexana sex

Night_Hawk90
06-16-2009, 11:23 AM
no love for vortex? im a bit surprised it was a truly great episode imho

Episode 1: Odyssey- really boring it had its moments but a lackluster premiere
Episode 2: Gone- truley terrible episode that helicopter scene made no sense
Episode 3: Facade- no comment just not my fav

LordOnox
06-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Episode 1: Vortex
Episode 2: Metamorphosis
Episode 3: Hothead

HeroesUnlimited
06-16-2009, 05:01 PM
Jess,
Have you given any thought to doing a "Hot Chick Elimination" game? Just some food for thought. :)

Jlvsclrk
06-16-2009, 11:35 PM
Episode 1: Odyssey - although I do have sympathy for the hole dug by Arctic, this episode just didn't measure up to the high quality of the other premieres.
Episode 2: Metamorphosis - though Kara was close
Episode 3: Wither - The Lexana just makes me shudder. Toxic comes close

SGuthrie27
06-17-2009, 05:56 AM
There's just the rest of today and all of tomorrow to vote, people, and then we move on to round 2! Thanks to all who have participated thus far!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

skully
06-17-2009, 07:01 AM
Cheers for taking this one on, SG. :)

SparkleforSmallville
06-17-2009, 09:06 AM
Episode 1 ~ Vortex
Episode 2 ~ Metamorphosis, I don't like bugs!
Episode 3 ~ Hothead

super_j_man
06-17-2009, 01:25 PM
Jess,
Have you given any thought to doing a "Hot Chick Elimination" game? Just some food for thought. :)

you can start that one up if you want HU :p

I have an idea for another game, that I might start soon.

SGuthrie27
06-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Just one more day now until we change to Round 2! Thanks to all who have participated!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

SparkleforSmallville
06-18-2009, 10:57 AM
BTW, Did anyone PM Dr Walden? Might be the polite thing to do.

SGuthrie27
06-18-2009, 11:25 AM
That's a good point, SfS. I sent him a PM, and checked his profile info -- it turns out he hasn't even logged onto the site or had any activity on it since February, so I doubt he'll mind, but I went ahead and left him a nice message anyway. Post your responses by tonight if you still plan on voting for Round 1! If my other two co-runners of the game don't mind, I'll probably end the round at 10 PM, 'cause I have to get up early tomorrow morning and would like to open up voting for Round 2 at that time. :D

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

SGuthrie27
06-18-2009, 09:50 PM
Okay, folks, there's one little order of business I want to bring up before we start Round Two. I went back and read Dr. Walden's old rules. If there's a tie between two episodes, there's a sudden death vote-off between them. So please, when you post your Round Two votes, I'd like you to also vote for the one tie... which was between the following choices for Worst Episode #3:

WITHER and FIERCE!!!! Which is truly the worst? Post your judgments, people! You have until the end of this round to pick one or the other.

Here are your choices for the second round of episodes:

Episode 4:
S1 - X-Ray
S2 - Red
S3 - Slumber
S4 - Devoted
S5 - Aqua
S6 - Arrow
S7 - Cure
S8 - Instinct

Episode 5:
S1 - Cool
S2 - Nocturne
S3 - Perry
S4 - Run
S5 - Thirst
S6 - Reunion
S7 - Action
S8 - Committed

Episode 6:
S1 - Hourglass
S2 - Redux
S3 - Relic
S4 - Transference
S5 - Exposed
S6 - Fallout
S7 - Lara
S8 - Prey

So, I officially open the polls! Let the voting for Round 2 begin, and don't forget to throw your "sudden death" vote in between "Wither" and "Fierce" while you're at it! Round two will run from now until Sunday, June 21st, at 11:59 PM!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

----- Added 29 Minutes later -----

Umm... I will go ahead and post my thoughts on which episodes fit the bill for Anti-Episode War winners... or would that make them losers?

Episode 4 - Hmm... "Cure" had a gross factor to it, but also Dean Cain and some great stuff for Chloe to do, so no... "Instinct" had Maxima, who was a rather ridiculous character... but still, not quite gag-worthy... "Slumber" just makes me... *yawn*... drowsy, 'cause it's so rather boring, even though Sarah Conroy WAS kinda cute... :p So I guess it's going to have to be... "Devoted!" Seriously, Gatorade + Kryptonite = Love Potion #9?! Whaaaaa?! Not even Chloe hopping around as a cheerleader and kissing Clark like there's no tomorrow could keep this epiosde from ending up as the bottom of the barrel here.

Episode 5 - So, do I pick the one where the guy sucks out people's body heat, or the one with the poet locked in the basement that turns into a black-eyed, peach-skinned version of the Hulk when exposed to sunlight, or the one with vampire sorority girls? Yup. Gotta pick the sorority girls. "Thirst" was tres nasty... That episode seriously bites! (And there I go with the puns again...) ;)

Episode 6 - This is a hard one for me, because really, there are two that are SO hideodorously awful that I almost cannot decide between them... In one corner, we have Chrissy Parker, a less likable, more boring (but still kinda hot) version of Amy Adams (except she sucks the life out of people, not their body fat, and she doesn't like deermeat so much)... And then in the other, we've got strippers, a needless, ridiculous car chase... and did I mention strippers? Okay, seriously? Strippers on Smallville? "Exposed," you showed a little too much (oh my, these stupid puns!), so you've gotta go. At least "Redux" showed us Martha Kent's dad for the first (and only) time, right? RIGHT? Honestly, if either of them is the worst, I'll be happy. :D

Oh, and my vote for worst of the two sudden-death choices would be... "Fierce!" At least "Wither" had a lot more Chloe stuff in it, back when Chimmy was somewhat bearable...

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

tyson08
06-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Sudden Death: Fierce

Episode 4: Slumber
Episode 5: Action
Episode 6: Redux

Jlvsclrk
06-18-2009, 11:12 PM
Episode 4 - Aqua because of quite possibly the worst guest star performance ever
Episode 5 - Thirst sucks
Episode 6 - Redux is such an unnecessary episode that they dropped it from S1, then tried to shoe horn it into S2.

And for the sudden-death, Wither by the size of Lex's ballroom. The Lexana at the end is vomit inducing, but the worst part for me is Lana's utterly ludicrous costume.

AdamTyree
06-18-2009, 11:42 PM
Devoted
Thirst
Redux

super_j_man
06-19-2009, 01:08 AM
Sudden Death: Fierce

Episode 4: Devoted
Episode 5: Thirst
Episode 6: Redux

With Episode 4, it was between "Devoted" and "Aqua" for me. Devoted just barely had that cheesy edge to it that drove to be the worse episode. After two good episodes Crusade & Gone, Season 4 had to give us two terrible episodes Facade & Devoted. About the only thing Devoted had going for it was Lois Lane going back to college which should have happened in the first place.

"Thirst".........what else can I say..........I wonder what the writers were thinking when they wrote that one..........vampire Lana????...............give me a break............

Redux and Exposed for the worst of the 6th episodes! At least I found Exposed to be slightly more enjoyable the second time around.

Storm45
06-19-2009, 01:13 AM
sudden-death: Wither . One of the worst Shipper-Fest in history.

Episode 4: Slumber
Episode 5: Nocturne
Episode 6: Redux

skully
06-19-2009, 03:25 AM
Sudden Death: Fierce

Episode 4: Cure - a poor vehicle for Dean Cain.
Episode 5: Nocturne - one of the few episodes to bore me these days.
Episode 6: Redux - quite a lame episode.

costas22
06-19-2009, 04:13 AM
Sudden Death: Wither

Episode 4 - Devoted
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

4th episodes are all good. Devoted gets it by default.

5th episodes are hits and mostly misses. I will go with Thirst.

6th episodes are often entertaining. Redux is the worst for me.

Jaderoyale
06-19-2009, 06:00 AM
Oh man i missed first round. Oh well.


Sudden death: Fierce

Episode 4 - Devoted
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

Was a toss up between Devoted and Cure for episode 4, in the end i chose Devoted.
Thirst... i have no words. Same goes for Redux.

Night_Hawk90
06-19-2009, 06:25 AM
Episode 4:Instinct- nothing good about this episode it was a borefest
Episode 5:committed- also sucked imo never understood the love for this
Episode 6: relic- could have been a lot better.

MrsK
06-19-2009, 09:19 AM
Sudden Death: Wither

Episode 4: Devoted
Episode 5: Thirst
Episode 6: Redux

Episode 4: I actually like most of the 4th episodes. Devoted is just the weakest of a good bunch. Cure was probably runner-up; what a waste of Dean Cain!
Episode 5: Thirst - one of the worst ever, although I do like the Chloe storyline in that ep, and the voice-over works pretty well. Nocturne was in the running, though.
Episode 6: Redux leads by a mile in a group with several weak episodes

As for the sudden death, Wither takes the cake thanks to Lexana sex and horrible special effects with Gloria, plus Clark essentially killing her. Fierce had its problems, but the Kara/Clark storyline and the tension at the end between Kara and Lex redeemed the bad FotW plot enough that it far surpasses Wither!

Saph
06-19-2009, 09:40 AM
Sudden Death: Fierce

Episode 4 - Devoted
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

marcella
06-19-2009, 10:09 AM
Sudden death : Wither

Episode 4: Devoted
Episode 5: Thirst << Duh:p
Episode 6: Redux

BadToad
06-19-2009, 10:11 AM
Sudden Death: Fierce

Episode 4: Aqua

Episode 5: Action

Episode 6: Lara

lana 9
06-19-2009, 03:22 PM
sudden death wither i hate lex and lana sex

episode 4 aqua
episode 5 nocturne
episode 6 exposed

Supsfan
06-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Episode 4: Cure

I actually liked all episode fours, Cure just my least fav of the bunch.

Episode 5: Nocturne

Incredibly bad FOTW and boring premise

Episode 6: Relic

Not sure where to start on this one.

Could have been great if they actually tried to make an episode focusing on the history of Jor-El to give us some background into his character. Instead it was the producers putting Tom and Kristin in the roles of Jor-El and Louise, saying hey look Tom and Kristin doing everything you want to see Clana do but you won't because storyline makes it that there has to be angst in there relationship. If the producers wanted to make it believable instead of some wierd ass dream episode(which it felt like) they might have been better to get different actors to play "Jor-El" and "Louise"(come on what are the chances Lana's great Aunt was half asian as well?).

As I said above it could have been a great exploration into Jor-El's background and heritage, instead it came across as a Tom and Kristin lovefest.


On another subject, in defense of Thirst while not my favorite episode. Considering alot of the crap on this show, having a fun episode is the least of my worries. Thirst is one of those episodes that I find becomes more enjoyable over time. I much rather watch an episode about a soriety of vampires then any plotlines involving angst or Clark being depressed anyday.

HeroesUnlimited
06-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Sudden Death: Fierce (same vote as last time - pointless epi)

Episode 4: Cure (I've never been a fan of Dean Cain. I think he's a terrible actor. Plus, didn't we already see the immortal thing with Chrissy Parker?)
Episode 5: Thirst (I did not even need to read what episode 5 was for seasons 6, 7, and 8 once I got to Thirst. Easily the worst episode of the entire season. Krypto vampires? Lame.)
Episode 6:Exposed (Not crazy about epis that portray Lois as a sex object. That's not the Lois I remember reading in the comic books growing up. It just felt like a cheap stunt for ratings.)

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Episode 6 - Redux is such an unnecessary episode that they dropped it from S1, then tried to shoe horn it into S2.

The only reason I didn't vote for Redux is because I've always been a fan of the Principal Reynolds character. That's the only epi he's ever been in. Too bad.

SparkleforSmallville
06-20-2009, 12:06 PM
Sudden Death ~ Fierce: I liked the Music and the Alien Plants in Wither.

Episode 4 ~ Aqua: Auquaman and Lois had zero chemistry.
Episode 5 ~ Cool::/
Episode 6 ~ Exposed: Didn't like this storyline, but I can't even remember Redux.

HeroesUnlimited
06-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Episode 5 ~ Cool

I liked Cool. I thought it was one of the better season 1 epis

SparkleforSmallville
06-20-2009, 04:25 PM
I liked Cool. I thought it was one of the better season 1 epis

Really? I kinda liked Thirst, I thought it was a fun episode. So there you go! :lol:

skully
06-20-2009, 04:41 PM
Really? I kinda liked Thirst, I thought it was a fun episode. So there you go! :lol:I agree. It was so bad it was good, and certainly not boring, IMHO. :)

HeroesUnlimited
06-20-2009, 04:44 PM
Thirst was so bad, it manifested itself as physical pain when I watched.

SGuthrie27
06-20-2009, 11:04 PM
LOL -- I was in pain by the end of the opening teaser, when the vampire sorority girls in the hot tub turned the pizza delivery boy into a midnight snack. Ugh!

BTW, only 24 hours left until the third round begins! If you haven't got your votes in for episodes 4-6, please do so a.s.a.p.!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

AdamTyree
06-20-2009, 11:13 PM
Thirst was so bad, it manifested itself as physical pain when I watched.

listen to the commentary its even funnier

Al and Miles describe it as a "what the hell" moment :lol:

SGuthrie27
06-20-2009, 11:22 PM
Yeah, I have to wonder what in the world the writers were thinking when they came up with that episode, LOL... And I even have the Season Companion books, so I have read a little of it, but still, how on Earth (or Krypton) did they think that was going to end up being an awesome episode? :P BTW, the vote is still pretty close for the "sudden death" round between "Fierce" and "Wither!" It's a real nail-biter for this one!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Lex Dance
06-21-2009, 06:12 AM
Episode 4 ~ Aqua: Auquaman and Lois had zero chemistry.

So true! At the end of the episode, Lois is all "I can't believe I'll never see you again" as if she's found her soul-mate! But AJ (the future King of Atlantis, I might add) is devoid of anything resembling a personality!! :lol:
I still love Aqua for featuring our first look at comic book-evil Lex Luthor (all he needed was a moustache to twiddle).

RaniaLovesClois
06-21-2009, 06:19 AM
Sudden death : Wither Lexana sex... Ewwwwwwwwwww

Episode 4 : Cure
Episode 5 : Thirst
Episode 6 : Relic

SGuthrie27
06-21-2009, 11:14 PM
Here we go again, folks! Round 2 is officially over and closed, and we're ready to move on into Round 3! Here are our standings so far, for those who are interested in keeping track of what we've deemed are the worst episodes:

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Fierce
Episode 4 - Devoted
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

And now, onto the third round of voting! Here are your choices...

Episode 7:
S1 - Craving
S2 - Lineage
S3 - Magnetic
S4 - Jinx
S5 - Splinter
S6 - Rage
S7 - Wrath
S8 - Identity

Episode 8:
S1 - Jitters
S2 - Ryan
S3 - Shattered
S4 - Spell
S5 - Solitude
S6 - Static
S7 - Blue
S8 - Bloodline

Episode 9:
S1 - Rogue
S2 - Dichotic
S3 - Asylum
S4 - Bound
S5 - Lexmas
S6 - Subterranean
S7 - Gemini
S8 - Abyss

Here are my choices:

Episode 7 - Well, this was a toughie for me... Was I to go with the roadkill-deer-devouring, fat-sucking Jodi Melville as quite possibly the worst FOTW ever, leading to an episode I've never had much of a "Craving" to see ever again? Or do I pick the "Wrath"-inducing one where Lana got a dose of Clark's powers, caused earthquakes... in a way that I don't want to remember... eww... and wreaked selfish havoc throughout the entire episode? Yup. Super-Lana Round 1 takes the cake for worst episode for me -- I choose "Wrath!"

Episode 8 - This wasn't quite as difficult for me. I was a little tempted to go with the skanky witches and the ridiculous magic stones plot of "Spell," but not even Margaret Isobelle Thoreaux could abacadabra away the badness of "Static" for me. Ugh. C'mon... a phantom that rips out people's spines and chomps on their bone marrow? That's just plain nasty! And the Bronson FOTW who could move people between frequencies, requiring Jimmy to use his "mad ham radio" skills as "Jimmy the Infuriator" to save Lex and Lana... also lame. Boo, "Static!"

Episode 9 - Again, this was another match where I was torn between two pretty equally bad episodes. "Bound" featured Lex in the most negative light he'd been shown in yet, sleeping around with girls and sending them diamond earrings until one went psycho, murdered one of his "lady friends" and his lawyer, and... well... I just am "Bound" and determined to declare this a not very good episode. However, it still doesn't sink as low as "Subterranean" (cue the groans at the latest in my horribly awful yet hopefully somewhat humorous puns). Seriously... who thought a groundhog-like mole-man of a FOTW who buries illegal immigrant farm laborers alive was a good plan for an episode? Plus they shoved more Chimmy down our throats, and only halfway through Season 6, I had already gotten bored with it.

So, what are your choices, people? Post your responses now! You have until Wednesday night at 11:59 PM! Choose wisely...

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

lana 9
06-21-2009, 11:29 PM
episode 7 magnetic
episode 8 static
episode 9 bound

MrsK
06-21-2009, 11:45 PM
episode 7 Magnetic
episode 8 Blue
episode 9 Subterranean

Supsfan
06-21-2009, 11:58 PM
Sort of sad I enjoy talking about episodes I hate more then ones I enjoy but here it goes :)

E7: Craving - I just finished recently rewatching S1, so this episode is fresh in my head. For the most part I enjoyed S1 episodes but there is 2 or 3 that just weren't up to par and Craving was one of them. Not worst 25 ever bad, but just not so great. I also remember Magnetic not being so good either so when I rewatch that I might switch my vote. All the others I remember being entertaining in some way

E8: Spell - this is an episode I used to really hate but learned to enjoy over time. I really hated witch Lana and that clouded my judgement, but if you look at it as a one off type episode it fun and campy. I would say overtime it's gone from worst 5 episodes ever to borderline bottom 25. Only reason I vote it worst episode 8 is I enjoyed all the other episode 8's more. Arguements could be made for Static(I know alot of people hate this episode, but I didn't find it terrible), Ryan(Stray was good, Ryan was overkill) or Blue. I only put Spell here out of the 4 because I just remember having a very bad reaction to it when it first aired(I can pinpoint the time I started to hate the character of Lana to this episode, sadly I found they could take her character to much worse degrees), probably doesn't deserve it though.

E9: Abyss - I'll be blunt, I don't watch Chloeville and that's what this episode was to me. 40 minutes of a storyline that I particularly don't care about and in the end seemed rather pointless because everything got reversed 2 episodes later. I would much rather watch Subterranean because as boring and bland a storyline that was it at least focused on Clark


Or do I pick the "Wrath"-inducing one where Lana got a dose of Clark's powers, caused earthquakes... in a way that I don't want to remember... eww... and wreaked selfish havoc throughout the entire episode? Yup. Super-Lana Round 1 takes the cake for worst episode for me -- I choose "Wrath!"


I actually liked Wrath, I thought the episode was great in showing us everything wrong with Lana, even the ending scene had one fo the best Lana quotes ever were Lana told Clark, "I don't think you love me you love some ideal image of me" which I thought was a perfect way to describe the relationship up to that point. Unfortuantly the producers never played up that in this seasons Lana arc and the Lana character was completely retconned from everything we saw in Season 7

skully
06-22-2009, 12:14 AM
episode 7 - Magnetic - easily the worst of the E7s.
episode 8 - Blue - such a great premise, such a bored performance by all concerned (even TW)
episode 9 - Bound - not a bad set of epis, and I don't mind this epi but I have to pick one. Lex's 33.1 walk, Clark's big brother heroics and Jimmy's whipped cream saved Subterranean. :D

And huzzah for Fierce in getting the worst E3 crown!! :)

Storm45
06-22-2009, 12:16 AM
Episode 7 - Magnetic. Only the Lex/Chloe scenes were good.

Episode 8:- Static. I can't stand Lexana. Unfortunately they were there for the majority of the time.

Episode 9:- Subterranean

Jaderoyale
06-22-2009, 04:18 AM
Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Subterranean

I can't say anything good about those epsiodes. I really can't.

costas22
06-22-2009, 05:31 AM
Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Subterranean

- I think that Craving was as bad as it ever got when it came to FOTW episodes. Just beat Magnetic.

- Static unfortunately. It's just the weakest one on the list.

- Subterranean. It was the less significant of the bunch.

BadToad
06-22-2009, 07:33 AM
Episode 7: Magnetic

Episode 8: Static

Episode 9: Bound

Night_Hawk90
06-22-2009, 07:43 AM
identity- do not enjoy this episode at all, i was really disappointed really overrated by many.
static- puregarbage
dichotic- really dislike jonathan taylor thomas

RaniaLovesClois
06-22-2009, 07:50 AM
Episode 7 : Wrath
Episode 8 : Static
Episode 9 : Subterranean

marcella
06-22-2009, 10:17 AM
Episode 7: Craving
Episode 8: Static
Episode 9: Dichotic

SparkleforSmallville
06-22-2009, 11:15 AM
Episode 7 ~ Craving But the end, Clark gifting Lana with the Drive-In Movie, was good.
Episode 8 ~ Static
Episode 9 ~ Subterranean

tyson08
06-22-2009, 01:17 PM
Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Spell
Episode 9 - Subterranean

9-SOSIHTWB
06-22-2009, 03:23 PM
Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Ryan
Episode 9 - Abyss

HeroesUnlimited
06-22-2009, 05:21 PM
Episode 7: Wrath (almost voted for Craving, but I just can't tolerate super Lana)

Episode 8: Jitters (not really a "bad" episode in this group. Jitters was just the one I liked the least)

Episode 9: Abyss (Abyss was the epi when they wiped Chloe's mind of Clark's secret, right? Bad idea. They had me thinking that was permanent.)

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Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Ryan
Episode 9 - Abyss

I never met a Smallville fan who didn't like Ryan.

Jlvsclrk
06-22-2009, 06:06 PM
episode 7 magnetic

episode 8 static - this is easy: static is pretty vile.

episode 9 bound

Supsfan
06-22-2009, 09:09 PM
I never met a Smallville fan who didn't like Ryan.

I didn't hate Ryan but I wasn't a huge fan of the episode where he returned

Nanda Lane
06-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Abyss

Saph
06-22-2009, 10:10 PM
Episode 7: Magnetic
Episode 8: Static
Episode 9: Subterranean

SGuthrie27
06-22-2009, 10:38 PM
Two days left to vote for Round 3! It's been pretty interesting to hear people's reasoning for choosing particular episodes so far. The only one where there's really any battle at all right now is for the seventh episode, and it really is a pretty tight race! Keep those votes coming, people! :D

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

super_j_man
06-22-2009, 11:24 PM
Episode 7: Craving
Episode 8: Static
Episode 9: Bound

Magnetic and Wrath were pretty bad, but Craving is definitely the worst of the worst.

Static is IMO the worst episode of Season 6 and probably the only one I haven't seen since the airdate.

Subterranean was pretty bad but Bound IMO was just the most pointless episode ever.

Supsfan
06-22-2009, 11:57 PM
Static is IMO the worst episode of Season 6 and probably the only one I haven't seen since the airdate.

In a Season with Subterrean, Trespass, Noir and Promise, Static is hardly the worst of the bunch(although I have to admit I didn't mind Static, not that I liked it either) :P

smallvillefreak24
06-23-2009, 09:37 AM
Episode 7 - Wrath

Episode 8 - Static

Episode 9 - Bound

Ep 7 was tough for me. I hate both magnetic and wrath, mostly because of what they did to the Lana character. She was horrid in both. As much as I wanted to vote magnetic, I had to vote wrath because of how mad I was the first time I watched it. Craving was pretty stupid but it can be entertaining AND the final scene was great.

Episode 8 was a no brainer for me. Static was garbage. The rest were fine.

Ep 9 was hard as well. I don't hate Bound, but it was the least entertaining IMO. Dichotic was a close second. I actually enjoyed sub (final 33.1 scene, jimmy)

super_j_man
06-23-2009, 09:16 PM
In a Season with Subterrean, Trespass, Noir and Promise, Static is hardly the worst of the bunch(although I have to admit I didn't mind Static, not that I liked it either) :P

With the exception of probably Subterranean I actually didn't hate the other episodes you mentioned. Subterranean was bad but not as bad as Static IMO. Static had a lame freak of the week, unnessarily gross phantom scenes, and was just an overall weak episode.

Supsfan
06-23-2009, 09:51 PM
With the exception of probably Subterranean I actually didn't hate the other episodes you mentioned. Subterranean was bad but not as bad as Static IMO. Static had a lame freak of the week, unnessarily gross phantom scenes, and was just an overall weak episode.

Don't get me wrong Static isn't on my top 40, not even top 100, I just didn't mind it. I thought the limited Clark stuff was cool, and the FOTW didn't bother me. I truly understand the dislike for the episode, but I think there is many worse.

As for the others I mentioned

Subterrean - boring and bland

Trespass - lame Lana stalker *yawn*

Promise - I hated Lexana and even worse when they shoved Clark into the equation, this episode was 100% Clexana. I don't care how great it was that the script was given from 3 different viewpoints or how wonderful the acting was(or vairiety of other reasons I seen the episode praised), you can cover crap with the tastiest icing, sprinkles on top and put some of the worlds finiest ice cream on the side, it's still crap.

Noir - the 20 minutes in B&W was rather pointless, seemed like the producers trying to stroke there own ego being artsy

Dr. Walden
06-24-2009, 03:33 AM
Episode 7-Wrath
Episode 8-Blue
Episode 9-Subterranean

Thanks for picking this one up SG! Hadn't even thought about it in a while!

SGuthrie27
06-24-2009, 07:31 AM
Hey, Dr. Walden! No problem! I've really enjoyed this one. It was a great idea, and it's so much fun to hear people's reasoning for choosing particular episodes. Remember, friends and fellow Smallville fans, the deadline for voting in Round Three is tonight at around midnight, so get your votes in while you still can!!!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

HeroesUnlimited
06-24-2009, 04:52 PM
Episode 7-Wrath
Episode 8-Blue
Episode 9-Subterranean

Thanks for picking this one up SG! Hadn't even thought about it in a while!

Dr. Walden!!! You're the legend everyone's been talking about! Nice to meet you! Thanks for starting up this game!

SGuthrie27
06-24-2009, 11:06 PM
Okiedoke, people! We're now ready to get Round 4 up and running! But first, let's check out the standings so far, shall we?

Worst of All Seasons:
Episode 1 - Vortex (double the second place score of Odyssey)
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis (almost unanimous)
Episode 3 - Fierce (barely beat Wither by two votes)
Episode 4 - Devoted (handily knocked out Cure and Arrow for the top spot)
Episode 5 - Thirst (beat Nocturne 11-4)
Episode 6 - Redux (no other episode came close)
Episode 7 - Craving (edged out Magnetic 9-7)
Episode 8 - Static (no question on this one)
Episode 9 - Subterranean (knocked out Bound 10-6)

So, here's the contenders for Round 4, which you can begin voting on now, and will continue until 11:59 PM Saturday, June 27th!

Episode 10:
S1 - Shimmer
S2 - Skinwalker
S3 - Whisper
S4 - Scare
S5 - Fanatic
S6 - Hydro
S7 - Persona
S8 - Bride

Episode 11:
S1 - Hug
S2 - Visage
S3 - Delete
S4 - Unsafe
S5 - Lockdown
S6 - Justice
S7 - Siren
S8 - Legion

Episode 12:
S1 - Leech
S2 - Insurgence
S3 - Hereafter
S4 - Pariah
S5 - Reckoning
S6 - Labyrinth
S7 - Fracture
S8 - Bulletproof

Happy voting, people! I'll go ahead and post my votes...

For Episode 10, there were a few rather blah episodes, but one stood out for me as being the worse. It wasn't invisible-rose-petal-goo, Victoria Hardwick-in-bathtub ridiculousness of "Shimmer," 'cause it had some great character building moments for Clark. It wasn't "Skinwalker" with the barely passable acting of Kyla Willowbrook who inexplicably became an werewolfy instant love interest for Clark, simply because it gave us the super-cool Kawatche caves. And it wasn't "Persona," because, even though we had to endure the Bizzlana romance which somehow (don't ask me how) was even MORE boring to watch than the Clana roller coaster! And it had the old Jimmy Olsen actor as Dax-Ur and a returned Brainiac, which was pretty stinkin' cool. So, the one I chose turned out to be... "Fanatic!" Political activist gal turns Lex-obsessor, turns shaved-head-psycho-assassin? I could care less so long as Jonathan survived! Er, at least another two episodes... :(

Episode 11 - Let's see... "Hug" gave us one of the most likable FOTWs and the first on-screen Chlark kiss, so we can automatically rule that out. "Lockdown" killed off Sheriff Adams and ratcheted up the Lexana romance, so it comes close, but still, not horrible. "Siren" was more boring than most Justice League character-intro episodes, but I still have a soft spot for Black Canary, so it gets a pass. It all came down to "Visage" and "Unsafe" for me. "Unsafe" had way too much focus on sex for me. It was ridiculous. And I did not care for the Clark/Alicia romance in this episode at all, even though they do have crazy on-screen chemistry, which seems like a contradiction but isn't. But the Vegas wedding and Lana willing to move to a different "base" with Jason brought this episode dangerously close to being the worst for me. I guess it was Alicia's willingness to take a bullet for Clark and the cute figure skating scene that made me decide to give the title to... "Visage." Tina Greer is just too stinkin' creepy for me. And what a sad, horrid send-off to give Whitney! He may be one of my least favorite main characters in Smallville history, but the guy deserved WAY better than that. BOO, "Visage."

Episode 12 - I love ALL the twelfth episodes, so really, it just has to be based, for me, on what the worst of them does NOT have that the other seven DO. "Leech" had Eric Summers and Clark reflecting on what would happen if someone else got his powers, which was cool. "Insurgence" had that awesome leap to Luthorcorp, the question of whether Lionel was blind, another DC character showing up, and loads of suspense. "Hereafter" had one of the nicest FOTWs ever in Jordan Cross, a glimpse at Clark's amazing future (THE CAPE!), the revelation that Adam Knight was dead (shocker!), and Jonathan's first heart attack (even BIGGER shocker!). "Pariah" gave us Chloe learning the SECRET, and an Alicia that I actually ended up liking so much that I was super-sad by episode's end! Way to make a good turnaround, Alicia. R.I.P. "Reckoning," of course, was just plain awesomeness. "Labyrinth" gave us a mega-cool, dark, creepy alternate universe that was an awesome roller coaster ride. So, that leaves us with "Bulletproof" and "Fracture." "Bulletproof" has some strong moments, such as with Dan Turpin making his first SV appearance, John Jones' return, and some great undercover work by Clark. "Fracture" has cool stuff, too, like Li'l Lex, a glimpse into Lex's psyche, Kara's return, LOIS!, and Chloe using her powers to save both Clark AND Lex. On the bad side, "Bulletproof" had to end a perfectly good episode with that ridiculous Clana kiss. However... I would rather have to endure watching a MILLION Clana kisses than be forced (like Clark) to watch another SECOND of Lexana nastiness in Lex's brain. Wasn't it awful enough in "Wither?" Seriously... "Fracture" wins the spot just for that. :p

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

MrsK
06-24-2009, 11:13 PM
Episode 10: Fanatic
Episode 11: Siren
Episode 12: Fracture

wildenchantress_kt
06-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Episode 10 Fanatic
Episode 11 Lockdown
Episode 12 Reckoning (watching it is like pulling out teeth)

What can I say the middle of season 5 sucked.

Supsfan
06-24-2009, 11:58 PM
Episode 10: Shimmer

I have to pick one episode, while not terrible, nothing great either. Least of the bunch

Episode 11: Lockdown

Strong bunch of episodes, I have to pick one by default.

Episode 12: Reckoning

For starters I am not really a fan of time reversals. It's like hey let's see Clana have this awesome proposal scene only to reverse time and wipe it from her memory. So basically the first 20 minutes were wasted. Beyond that killing off a character for the sake of killing off somebody is terrible story telling, but hey who needs adults we will just get rid of them one by one till there is none left. Another one of those "It's my fault" Clark type episode that really annoys me on this show.

While this episode has alot of faults and stuff that irks me on the show, I would say it's borderline worst 50 ever



The next 3 episodes should be real fun since alot of my most hated(5 of my worst 20 episodes fall between 13-15, 4 of those 5 in my bottom 10) fall into that category, maybe we can pick 2 for each episode :)

Jlvsclrk
06-25-2009, 12:32 AM
Episode 10: Whisper

This is one of the episodes I just don't enjoy, even though its got some good moments. I guess its just that I can't take seriously Martha's fear that the blindness might be permanent. I mean, come on! So that scene just throws me right out of the episode.

Episode 11: Lockdown

Not that Lockdown is horrible, but its up against solid competition and just doesn't measure up. Delete would be my next pick here.

Episode 12: Hereafter

Agh, do I have to pick something here? All of these episodes are pretty darn good. In fact, Justice would be next pick here.

Supsfan
06-25-2009, 12:41 AM
Episode 12: Hereafter

Agh, do I have to pick something here? All of these episodes are pretty darn good. In fact, Justice would be next pick here.

Justice was an episode 11. Personally I am not a big Hereafter fan myself. one of those not terrible but nothing great type episodes

skully
06-25-2009, 01:44 AM
Episode 10 - Shimmer - quite lame.

Episode 11 - Visage - never did like Whitney much, even when he came back as Tina morphed.

Episode 12 - Bulletproof - SG will be mortified but I found the episode a real let down after the stellar first 11 epis of S8.

Dr. Walden
06-25-2009, 02:04 AM
Episode 10-Fanatic
Episode 11-Siren
Episode 12-Fracture

Surprised again at all the votes for Lockdown! Love that episode, and don't see how anyone could find it particularly unlikeable...but I suppose it is in a fairly good episode slot. Also, Shimmer wasn't one of Season 1's finest efforts, but I find it entirely innocuous. Fanatic was painful to watch!

Siren and Fracture weren't even two of Season 7's worst in my opinion, but that season had so little going for it that it's hard for me to put these two episodes in a positive context. And Fracture was the first time I thought MR overacted the part. Bulletproof would be second, and it's by quite a bit. I like the other six quite a bit.

Sad to see that Craving got more votes than Magnetic! Craving has a special place in my heart for some reason, and I choose to forget the existence of Magnetic. It's usually a quick six clicks through that one.

Supsfan
06-25-2009, 02:09 AM
Surprised again at all the votes for Lockdown! Love that episode, and don't see how anyone could find it particularly unlikeable...but I suppose it is in a fairly good episode slot.

As I pointed out in my review, it's not really anything against Lockdown, I just prfered the other 7 episodes better.


Sad to see that Craving got more votes than Magnetic! Craving has a special place in my heart for some reason, and I choose to forget the existence of Magnetic. It's usually a quick six clicks through that one.

I just rewatched Magnetic, I wish I could change my vote :p

Jaderoyale
06-25-2009, 03:49 AM
Episode 10 - Shimmer

Episode 11 - Lockdown

Episode 12 - Fracture

Clark/Lois-fan
06-25-2009, 04:00 AM
Episode 10: Shimmer

Episode 11: Lockdown

Episode 12: Fracture

BadToad
06-25-2009, 07:19 AM
Episode 10: Fanatic

Episode 11: Lockdown -But I really found myself wanting to vote for Justice due the massive letdown it was, and how Clark was trashed to showcase others. But Lockdown was just crap, and Justice did have some redeeming features.

Episode 12: Reckoning

marcella
06-25-2009, 07:35 AM
Episode 10: Fanatic << It was creepy
Episode 11: Visage << The hardest to choose, I chose this one because it was I liked less
Episode 12: Reckoning << I hate Lana since this episode

lana 9
06-25-2009, 08:57 AM
episode 10 fanatic
episode 11 justice
episode 12 reckoning

tyson08
06-25-2009, 09:03 AM
Episode 10: Fanatic
Episode 11: Visage
Episode 12: Bulletproof ( I had to pick one :( )

Saph
06-25-2009, 09:22 AM
Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Bulletproof

smallvillefreak24
06-25-2009, 12:50 PM
Episode 10 - Fanatic

Episode 11 - Lockdown

Episode 12 - Reckoning

RaniaLovesClois
06-25-2009, 01:00 PM
Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Bulletproof
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Night_Hawk90
06-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Hydro
Unsafe
fracture

SparkleforSmallville
06-25-2009, 06:42 PM
Episode 10 ~ Shimmer
Episode 11 ~ Visage
Episode 12 ~ Fracture

HeroesUnlimited
06-25-2009, 07:23 PM
No time to provide an explantion (super busy at work), but here are my votes...

Episode 10: Shimmer
Episode 11: Hug
Episode 12: Bulletproof

Nanda Lane
06-25-2009, 09:08 PM
Episode 10: Shimmer
Episode 11: Lockdown
Episode 12: Reckoning

costas22
06-26-2009, 04:56 AM
Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Hereafter

(Hereafter was the weakest one from a very good line up)

Storm45
06-26-2009, 12:14 PM
Episode 10- Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12- Reckoning

deathwish2120
06-26-2009, 12:56 PM
Episode 10- Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12- Reckoning

Same as above.

SGuthrie27
06-26-2009, 10:40 PM
One day left to go -- the race for worst 12th episode is a tight one at this point -- every vote counts!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Supsfan
06-27-2009, 12:47 AM
One day left to go -- the race for worst 12th episode is a tight one at this point -- every vote counts!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

I am suprised how much dislike for Reckoning there is(I thought I was the only one)

SGuthrie27
06-27-2009, 10:59 PM
Round 4 is over and done, and we almost ended up with another tie, but luckily, a couple later votes turned the tide. We'll start with a list of the results thus far, and then we'll move on to the next round...

Worst of All Seasons:
Episode 1 - Vortex (double the second place score of Odyssey)
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis (almost unanimous)
Episode 3 - Fierce (barely beat Wither by two votes)
Episode 4 - Devoted (handily knocked out Cure and Arrow for the top spot)
Episode 5 - Thirst (beat Nocturne 11-4)
Episode 6 - Redux (no other episode came close)
Episode 7 - Craving (edged out Magnetic 9-7)
Episode 8 - Static (no question on this one)
Episode 9 - Subterranean (knocked out Bound 10-6)
Episode 10 - Fanatic (twice as many votes as Shimmer)
Episode 11 - Lockdown (13 votes!)
Episode 12 - Reckoning (a close one -- 9 votes to Fracture's 7)

So, it's officially time to start Round 5, which will include the following episodes:

Episode 13:
S1 - Kinetic
S2 - Suspect
S3 - Velocity
S4 - Recruit
S5 - Vengeance
S6 - Crimson
S7 - Hero
S8 - Power

Episode 14:
S1 - Zero
S2 - Rush
S3 - Obsession
S4 - Krypto
S5 - Tomb
S6 - Trespass
S7 - Traveler
S8 - Requiem

Episode 15:
S1 - Nicodemus
S2 - Prodigal
S3 - Resurrection
S4 - Sacred
S5 - Cyborg
S6 - Freak
S7 - Veritas
S8 - Infamous

Voting opens NOW, and will continue until Tuesday, June 23rd, at 11:59 PM. Start voting, people!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

lana 9
06-27-2009, 11:19 PM
episode 13 hero
episode 14 obsession
episode 15 resurrection

Supsfan
06-27-2009, 11:20 PM
Episode 13: Power

Super Lana? Do I really even need to say more. Quite possibly the worst episode ever.


Episode 14: Requiem

Wow what a craptacular group of episode. I wish I could make 3 nomineees from this group because all of them suck. Requiem was the worst of the bunch for starters. It would have been nice if the writers could have given a happy ending instead of making Clark's life into some tragedy. Probably would be the worst episode ever but it had a decent b-plot that made it slightly better then Power.

The fact the character Lana was leaving the show for good, you think the writers would realize that they should be pandering to the fans left who might watch the show, as well as pay attention to the previous 7 years where these 2 together seemed to be miserable around eachother more often then not(could they even hold a conversation with eachother that didn't revolve around secrets?). I also hated how they left the relationship wide open, and made Clark look terrible because there was easy outs to fix the situation but he was either to stupid or to lazy. Not sure which situation is worse to be honest.

HM:

Trespass - incredibly lame Lana stalker episode

Traveler - where do I start on this one. Clark stuck in a cage for 3/4 of the episode is supposed to be entertaining? There have been many episodes that were terrible for Clark's character but this may have been one of the worst ever. Did we really need 3 girls to save Clark? Couldn't the writers have figured out a way to have Clark save himself then go save his cousin and restore her memories. I think I am especially annoyed by them not allowing Clark to help his cousin. That should have been a Clark-Kara moment not a Chloe-Lana-Kara moment that was a minor substory to a bigger episode. My loathing for Henderson and Whitehead begins and ends with this episode(although they wrote many other crappy episodes beyond this). It seems they enjoy writing Clark as some idiotic weakling

Episode 15: Resurrection

Not a terrible bunch of episodes(not a great bunch either), but this was the weakest of the bunch. The less we get stories involving Adam Knight the better

SGuthrie27
06-27-2009, 11:28 PM
Episode 13 - There are so many to choose from in this contest (unlike over in the "Best of All Seasons" thread). Ugh! I didn't care for the Whitney & Punk Friends with kryptonite tattoos plotline in "Kinetic." I liked the kryptonite-souped up cars giving Pete an excuse for something to do (drag racing?!) in "Velocity" even less. Even the stretchy-limb-inducing Stride Gum (product placement to the extreme) of "Hero" is not quite bad enough to win this title, though... For me, it has to be "Power." Even though I was glad to see the backstory as to what Lana had been up to all this time since "Arctic," the whole "taking on powers" thing didn't thrill me at all, nor did the rooftop kiss at the Daily Planet at the end of the episode. In theory, giving an episode devoted to explaining Lana's backstory wasn't so bad. In execution, it was just plain awful. "Power" it is, then (with the power to make many viewers gag, I reckon)!

Episode 14 - Again, there were lots of options I could choose for this. I didn't like Alicia Baker's first appearance in "Obsession," to be quite honest, so that one came close. "Tomb" was too dark for me, so it got a little close, but it's a Chloe-centric episode, so I'll give it a little leeway. I had to go with "Requiem." Obviously they had to come up with some way of pushing Clark and Lana back apart since she was only guest starring for five episodes and they wanted to give their relationship some closure. But to turn her into Kryptonite Woman and FORCING them apart, after treating us to one of the grossest loft kisses ever?! Not cool, Smallville. So not cool. And not having Michael Rosenbaum on board as Lex and having Lex get "killed" made it even worse. I liked Toyman as a character here, but other than that, there were hardly any redeeming qualities about this episode. And I don't think I need to bring up the broken bed scene... bleh...

Episode 15 - There actually were some real high quality episodes among this bunch, which narrows down the selection quite a bit. There was really no question to me as to which episode of this set was truly the worst. "Resurrection" was by far the most boring, lame, weird, and ridiculous episode of this set, and quite possibly is in the top 10 worst Smallville episodes in history for me.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

skully
06-27-2009, 11:33 PM
Episode 13 - Hero - a disappointing vehicle for the return of Pete.

Episode 14 - Krypto - as bad as the premise of SuperLana is, Winslow Schott just saves Requiem over the poorly acted and weak special-effects Krypto.

Episode 15 - Resurrection - an episode I tend to fast forward through.

Jlvsclrk
06-28-2009, 12:19 AM
episode 13 power
episode 14 requiem
episode 15 sacred

Boy, its tough picking the episode 13 because it has 3 episodes I loathe and detest, not to mention 2 more episodes that are just plain bad and would have been strong contenders in most every other spot. It comes down to a battle between Hero and Power, 2 of my bottom 5. Which is more offensive, Super Lana or Super Pete? That's like being asked to choose between ebola and the plague. But because of her self-righteous and hubristic attitude, I guess it does have to go to Lana in Power.

The 14s aren't quite as offensive to me but it's another tough battle between Trespass (boring) and Requiem. Requiem MIGHT have been OK but I'm convinced someone in the writing room got the "brilliant" idea to swap Lana and Clark's roles in the final confrontation with Lex, and thereby utterly ruins the episode. In terms of dramatic tension, it would have been far more compelling if Lana went after Lex, because Clark could ONLY use his words to stop her. But once more, the writers prop up Lana at the expense of the star of the show. So peculiar.

The 15 spot goes to Sacred quite easily - its not nearly as bad as the above two, but the whole stones arc was a big turn off for me.

HeroesUnlimited
06-28-2009, 12:31 AM
Episode 13: Hero - This was actually very close between Hero and Power but I figured everybody else was going to vote for Power so I'd pick Hero. I really don't care for Pete Ross and his jealousy of Clark. It was never more clear than it was in this episode.
Episode 14: Requiem - Not a fan of super Lana and I HATED the way they chose to end Clana (by force, not by choice)
Episode 15: Resurrection - not a bad episode, just the weakest of this bunch.

Dr. Walden
06-28-2009, 04:50 AM
Episode 13-Hero-Wow, four really bad ones here and only one gets to win. Kinetic and Suspect were just okay, Vengeance and Crimson were fantastic. Velocity was a terrible plot and just showed how badly Pete's character got shafted, stuck with plots like this. Recruit was an end to the horrible, terrible, awful football arc. Maybe the worst thing Smallville has ever done. One of the main things that make Season 4 my least favorite of the high school years. And the episode itself was just bad. Drunk, annoying Lois, superpowered athletes...how is this in any way related to Superman again? Power was probably the worst of Season 8. But Hero still takes the cake for spoiling Pete's return with THE dumbest plot and the most blatant form of product placement that reduced Smallville to an overly-long commercial.

Episode 14-Requiem-Trespass and Tomb are two pretty bad episodes. Trespass was the most annoying of Lana-stalker stories, and was a huge letdown as everything seemed to be coming to a head at that point. Tomb was just a strange FOTW that didn't work out very well. Props to Allison Mack though. Season 4 seemed like it was trying to be more "fun" a lot of the time, and while it usually failed, I actually thought Krypto was a fun episode. All the others are solid, which brings us to Requiem. I actually liked parts of this episode, unlike Tomb and Trespass. Unfortunately, it just messed up too much. Terrible end to Clana (Fun fact: I didn't mind Clana all that much for 7 long seasons). It just ruined a fine end to the story they put in place at the end of Season 7, and made Lana much less sympathetic. And it was kind of stupid. A kryptonite suit infused into her skin? What?

Episode 15-Infamous-I may get some flack for this one. A bunch of great episodes in this group, with three exceptions. Veritas was merely mediocre, just because I thought the Veritas arc was very poorly executed and I don't much like anything to do with it. It tried too hard to create a backstory that had been there all along, and ended up just kind of ruining the story we already had in place, in my opinion. But the episode itself, not terrible. Resurrection was weird. I don't mind it much though. Infamous...I hate the Legion ring. I couldn't stand ANOTHER reset. It just felt like such a waste. And, after years of hating Lois, I had begun to like her in Season 8, and like her relationship with Clark. But the scene at the coffee shop...blech. It wasn't Lois Lane.

Jaderoyale
06-28-2009, 06:46 AM
Episode 13 - Power; I just. No. I can't even speak about it.
Episode 14 - Requiem; Bad, BAD way to end Clana. Terrible episode. For all characters.
Episode 15 -Resurrection - Meh non of this episodes or worst worthy, but i'm not that keen on them all really. This one just peaked them to the post.

costas22
06-28-2009, 07:47 AM
Episode 13 - Velocity
Episode 14 - Trespass
Episode 15 - Resurrection

13 was between the two Pete episodes and Velocity gets it for Pete making Clak steal in order to get him out of his jam.

14 goes to Trespass due to the Lana stalker angle.

15 goes to Resurrection because it was the weaker one out of a good bunch.

Saph
06-28-2009, 08:13 AM
Episode 13: Power - We've already seen Lana with powers...we don't need another episode
Episode 14: Requiem - I liked the Toyman but thing that turned me off was near the end of the episode. Clark didn't want to leave Lana...he was forced. Does that mean he's really over her?
Episode 15: Resurrection

Clark/Lois-fan
06-28-2009, 08:21 AM
Episode 13: Hero
I haven't seen Power so I can't comment on it.

Episode 14: Tomb
I haven't seen Requiem so again, I can't comment on it.

Episode 15: Prodigal
Just don't like this episode at all. ugh

BadToad
06-28-2009, 12:53 PM
Episode 13: Power

Episode 14: Requiem

Episode 15: Veritas

tyson08
06-28-2009, 01:19 PM
Episode 13: Power
Episode 14: Trespass
Episode 15: Resurrection

Night_Hawk90
06-28-2009, 02:24 PM
recruit
krypto
infamous

Nanda Lane
06-28-2009, 07:52 PM
Episode 13: Power
Episode 14: Requiem
Episode 15: Resurrection

smallvillefreak24
06-28-2009, 10:33 PM
Episode 13 - Power - superlana horrific storyline

Episode 14 - Krypto - filler

Episode 15 - Resurrection - not horrible

MrsK
06-28-2009, 10:38 PM
Episode 13 - Power: Last year I said, "I can't believe I'm not voting for Velocity, but I thought Hero was bad, bad, bad..." Well, they topped Hero this year! The super-Lana plot was a horrible idea any way you look at it. I really wanted to like the episode Allison directed, but ugh! Hero, Velocity and Kinetic would be my next choices.

Episode 14 - Requiem. I picked Tomb last year, but it wasn't an easy choice. However, Requiem made this round easy for me. It wasn't as bad as Power thanks to the Winslow Schott storyline, but the super-sex, the terrible way they ended Clana, Lana being the one to stop Clark going after Lex (instead of the other way around), and turning Oliver into a killer ruined the ep for me.

Episode 15 - Resurrection: by process of elimination. None of these were horrible.

SGuthrie27
06-28-2009, 10:54 PM
1 day down, 2 to go in this fifth round of voting! Only two more rounds remain after this one, I believe (I decided to lump in the 22nd episode with 19-21). Keep voting for episodes 13-15 until Tuesday at 11:59 PM!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

RaniaLovesClois
06-29-2009, 07:26 AM
Episode 13 - Power
Episode 14 - Requiem
Episode 15 - Resurrection

CallMeClark
06-29-2009, 07:34 AM
Episode 13: - Vengeance

Episode 14 - Trespass

Episode 15 - Resurrection

deathwish2120
06-29-2009, 08:55 AM
Episode 13 - Power

Episode 14 - Trespass

Episode 15 - Sacred

oh what do you know, theyre all based around Lana.

Supsfan
06-29-2009, 10:26 AM
Episode 13 - Power

Episode 14 - Trespass

Episode 15 - Sacred

oh what do you know, theyre all based around Lana.

Lol, I actually didn't mind Sacred, which is wierd because I thought the whole Witch Lana storyline was stupid, but viewing it as a one shot episode of Lana gone crazy it wasn't bad. The other 2 episodes though you listed are on my worst 5 episodes ever(add Requiem another #14 you have 3 of my bottom 5)

marcella
06-30-2009, 08:13 AM
Episode 13: Power
Episode 14: Requiem
Episode 15: Resurection

9-SOSIHTWB
06-30-2009, 01:27 PM
Episode 13: Hero
Episode 14: Zero
Episode 15: Nicodemus

rockyshadow
06-30-2009, 08:36 PM
13 Power
14 Requiem
15 Resurrection

skully
06-30-2009, 10:50 PM
13 Power
14 Requiem
15 ResurrectionHehehe, I'm guessing this is the likely "winning" trio. :)

SGuthrie27
06-30-2009, 11:01 PM
You must be psychic, skully! :D The results thus far are below...

Worst of All Seasons:
Episode 1 - Vortex (double the second place score of Odyssey)
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis (almost unanimous)
Episode 3 - Fierce (barely beat Wither by two votes)
Episode 4 - Devoted (handily knocked out Cure and Arrow for the top spot)
Episode 5 - Thirst (beat Nocturne 11-4)
Episode 6 - Redux (no other episode came close)
Episode 7 - Craving (edged out Magnetic 9-7)
Episode 8 - Static (no question on this one)
Episode 9 - Subterranean (knocked out Bound 10-6)
Episode 10 - Fanatic (twice as many votes as Shimmer)
Episode 11 - Lockdown (13 votes!)
Episode 12 - Reckoning (a close one -- 9 votes to Fracture's 7)
Episode 13 - Power (Hero got several votes too, but nowhere close to Power's total)
Episode 14 - Requiem (nothing else was even in the same league)
Episode 15 - Resurrection (16 votes just might make this the worst episode yet!)

Okay, now onto Round 6! Here are the episodes you can choose between, and after this round, we'll have only one more to go!

Episode 16:
S1 - Stray
S2 - Fever
S3 - Crisis
S4 - Lucy
S5 - Hypnotic
S6 - Promise
S7 - Descent
S8 - Turbulence

Episode 17:
S1 - Reaper
S2 - Rosetta
S3 - Legacy
S4 - Onyx
S5 - Void
S6 - Combat
S7 - Sleeper
S8 - Hex

Episode 18:
S1 - Drone
S2 - Visitor
S3 - Truth
S4 - Spirit
S5 - Fragile
S6 - Progeny
S7 - Apocalypse
S8 - Eternal

It should be interesting to see people's votes on these -- I think there will be some good battles among these episodes... You can vote on these starting now until 11:59 on Friday night. Then we'll enter the final 7th Round! Happy voting, folks!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

skully
06-30-2009, 11:20 PM
Episode 16 - Lucy - lame filler episode.

Episode 17 - Reaper - lame filler episode.

Episode 18 - Visitor - lame filler episode

SGuthrie27
06-30-2009, 11:24 PM
P.S. I may as well go ahead and post my votes.

Episode 16 - Well, this didn't turn out to be a terribly hard vote for me. I loved "Fever," "Stray," "Promise," and "Infamous," and I thought that "Descent" and "Crisis" were pretty decent episodes, too... So it came down to "Lucy" and "Hypnotic"... and really, there's no contest between those to me, either. "Lucy" was a bit boring in parts, but "Hypnotic" was downright skanky, and it was a very stupid way (in my opinion) to break up Clana (and this coming from someone who's not a Clana fan!). I really did not dig "Hypnotic."

Episode 17 - There were several ripe options to choose from here, and I have a feeling which three are going to end up receiving the highest votes from this group. I don't know how anyone could vote for "Rosetta," "Legacy," or "Onyx," and "Hex" was a super-strong episode, too. "Combat" is not my fave, 'cause it has a very mopey, angry Clark almost willing to kill a guy (well, okay, a bloodthirsty, battle-hungry alien) just 'cause he was mad that Lana went off and married Lex, and mopey Clark (especially when it's over Lana) gets a little lame after a while. But it did have good Chloe and Martha moments, and Lois getting more investigative, so I'll give it a pass... this time. "Void" came dangerously close to winning the title for me, but since it offered an opportunity to see Jonathan Kent again, I couldn't give it my vote, in spite of the stupid "near-death experience serum" plot. I know that plenty of folks will vote for "Sleeper"... but I actually thought it was kinda fun (if not all that believable) to see Secret Agent Jimmy. Plus, we got to see a lot of Chloe, who looked really hot in that dress, might I add. So sure, it was a kind of silly episode, but far from the worst, in my opinion. In the end, I have to go with "Reaper." Ugh! I can't stand "Reaper." The nice part with Whitney getting to scrimmage with the Sharks in front of his ailing dad was nice, but other than that, the death-touch FOTW who tried to kill his own mom WHO ENDED UP SURVIVING was so incredibly lame... Few episodes, for me, sink deeper... than "Reaper." :D

Episode 18 - Oy... There are a few good options here. There's "Eternal," since it shot continuity full of plot holes, but I gave it a "Get out of Worst Episode Free" card because I wrote my first full-fledged episode review on it... Then there's "Fragile," which had some slightly goofy and awkward moments, but it had Clark acting all big-brotherly again to a guest character, which I always like, so it definitely doesn't fit the bill. I imagine lots of folks will vote for "Progeny," since it seems many people didn't particularly enjoy that episode, but personally, I loved it, so no way is it getting my vote, here. "Visitor" comes awfully close, but in the end, after rewatching it, Cyrus is a fairly likable character. So, I had to go with Sasha Woodman as the bee girl in "Drone." It was just a silly, slightly filler-ish FOTW episode. It wasn't as awful as many of the other FOTW episodes in Season 1, but it just can't stand up to the rest of the competition in this episode category, so "Drone" it is.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

lana 9
06-30-2009, 11:43 PM
episode 16 lucy
episode 17 sleeper
episode 18 visitor

Supsfan
06-30-2009, 11:44 PM
Episode 16: Promise

I hated Clexana with a passion and Promise was 100% Clexana. Promise is one of my 3 worst episodes ever, I don't care if it's wonderful how we got 3 different perspectives, or good acting or camera work, etc. Crap covered up with nice stuff on top is still crap at the core.

Episode 17: Sleeper

I didn't hate this as much as some, but still a pretty bad episode never the less. I probably would be slightly more forgiving if the 2 minutes of Clark we did see he didn't come across like an incompetent fool

Episode 18: Eternal

Tough choice between Visitor and this but the retcons in this episode were beyond stupid. A rather pointless episode that tried to tie Davis/Doomsday to the overall mythology and failed miserably


Resurrection (16 votes just might make this the worst episode yet!)

I don't think Ressurection was terrible it just was the worst of the bunch. Episodes 15 are wierd because none of the group stands out as great to me but at the same time none really stand out as bad. there was many episodes in the 13s(Hero, Velocity) and 14s(Trespass, Travelor, Tomb) that I thought were way worse then Ressurection that I couldn't vote for because of the Gruesome Twosome(Power and Requiem)

rockyshadow
07-01-2009, 12:04 AM
16 Hypnotic
17 Void
18 Eternal

MrsK
07-01-2009, 12:07 AM
Episode 15 - Resurrection (16 votes just might make this the worst episode yet!)


Resurrection is nowhere close to being the worst episode. It was just clearly the weakest in a round of stronger episodes.

Supsfan
07-01-2009, 12:08 AM
17 Void


I can understand why people may not like Void, but Lana flatlining herself to see her parents is one of those guilty pleasures of mine(although I don't think the episode was ment as comedy)

MrsK
07-01-2009, 12:14 AM
Episode 16: Hypnotic - I hated the way they broke Clana up. It needed to happen, but not like that! The Brainiac parts weren't bad, but this is an episode I'd just as soon skip.

Episode 17: Sleeper - this one came down to Sleeper and Reaper for me, and I had to go with Sleeper because of the super-Jimmy plot and the lack of Clark in the episode.

Episode 18: Drone - This one was between Drone and Visitor for me. I liked the insight into Chloe and Lana's reaction to an alien in Visitor, so I decided to go with Drone.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


I can understand why people may not like Void, but Lana flatlining herself to see her parents is one of those guilty pleasures of mine(although I don't think the episode was ment as comedy)
For me, the flashbacks with Clark/Jonathan and Lex/Lillian are what save Void. Also, the run to Honduras was a cool effect.

Dr. Walden
07-01-2009, 02:23 AM
Episode 16-Lucy-Really sucks that perhaps my two least favorite episodes are in this spot. Lucy is my least favorite, so it wins. Most fillerish episode ever. Back when Lois was by far my least favorite character. I care so little about her sister's troubles. Just a dumb, dumb episode. Hypnotic is another one of my least favorites. Closest the show ever came to a straight soap opera

Episode 17-Sleeper-Jimmy-centric just never worked as an episode. Reaper was one of the worst of Season 1, but at least it was kind of centered around Clark.

Episode 18-Eternal-Season 8's attempts to include Lex usually kind of worked. In this case, it did not. And it did what I've hated most about Seasons 7 and 8: tried to create a backstory behind the existing story. I felt this was kind of a sleight to the first six seasons. I actually rather liked Visitor. As opposed to being filler, I thought it illustrated Clark's deep loneliness on Earth, which manifests itself again in Covenant. Drone was not great though.

Jlvsclrk
07-01-2009, 02:50 AM
episode 16 - Fever - its close here between several episodes but I just never cared much for this episode, especially having the ship save the day with a magical healing blast. Everyone in the medical centre must have been cured, no? Not just Clark and Martha. People from around the world would have descended on the town seeking a cure.

episode 17 - sleeper - one of the episodes I detest. Very Clark light, and the Jimmy story is absurd. Jimmy as undercover agent should have been played for laughs if anything.

episode 18 - eternal - not a hideous episode but the worst of the 18s. The retcons here regarding Lionel knowing so much from the day of the meteor shower are really starting to bug me now that I'm rewatching S2 because it takes away from the tension of wondering how much Lionel knows about Clark's secret. It just doesn't make sense that he suspected Clark enough from day one to have actually released Davis without bothering to keep an eye on him.

I feel bad for Resurrection having won the 15 spot so decisively. I kind of liked that episode!

skully
07-01-2009, 04:31 AM
Ain't that the magic of Smallville, Jen. Some episodes can be loved by some and loathed by others.

RaniaLovesClois
07-01-2009, 05:11 AM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 - Drone

CallMeClark
07-01-2009, 06:47 AM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic

Episode 17 - Sleeper

Episode 18 - Fragile

BadToad
07-01-2009, 07:36 AM
Episode 16: - Promise
Episode 17: - Sleeper
Episode 18: - Eternal

costas22
07-01-2009, 07:59 AM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 - Fragile (i loved Clark's interactions with the little girl, but the final scene set in motion a whole season worth of angst)

tyson08
07-01-2009, 08:42 AM
Episode 16 - Lucy
Episode 17 - Void
Episode 18 - Drone

Saph
07-01-2009, 09:37 AM
Episode 16: Hypnotic
Episode 17: Sleeper
Episode 18: Eternal

smallvillefreak24
07-01-2009, 10:41 AM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic - crap
Episode 17 - Sleeper - yawn
Episode 18 - Fragile - o.k.

deathwish2120
07-01-2009, 10:52 AM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 - Drone

Clark/Lois-fan
07-01-2009, 11:41 AM
Episode 16: Hypnotic
Episode 17: Sleeper
Episode 18: Visitor

Jaderoyale
07-01-2009, 12:42 PM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 Eternal

marcella
07-01-2009, 01:06 PM
Episode 16 - Hypnotic
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 - Drone

HeroesUnlimited
07-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Episode 16: Hypnotic (not a big Simone fan)
Episode 17: Sleeper (what a waste of time)
Episode 18: Progeny (this one missed the mark for me)

Night_Hawk90
07-01-2009, 08:07 PM
lucy- such a useless and boring episode
sleeper- see comment above
progeny- never got into this episode just not an episode i cared for

Nanda Lane
07-01-2009, 09:01 PM
Episode 16: Promise
Episode 17: Sleeper
Episode 18: Eternal

SGuthrie27
07-02-2009, 11:01 PM
Tomorrow is the last full day to vote on the current round before we move into the grand finale! If you haven't voted yet, get yours in while you still can!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

SGuthrie27
07-03-2009, 11:50 PM
All right, folks, we've come down to the wire, here... That's right -- it's officially time for the last round of the amazing, awe-inspiring, astonishing ANTI-EPISODE WAAAAAARS!!!!!! (Feel free to add your own fanfare and soundtrack, LOL.) So, without further ado, let's see which episodes have been voted in as the worst thus far, shall we?

Worst of All Seasons:
Episode 1 - Vortex (double the second place score of Odyssey)
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis (almost unanimous)
Episode 3 - Fierce (barely beat Wither by two votes)
Episode 4 - Devoted (handily knocked out Cure and Arrow for the top spot)
Episode 5 - Thirst (beat Nocturne 11-4)
Episode 6 - Redux (no other episode came close)
Episode 7 - Craving (edged out Magnetic 9-7)
Episode 8 - Static (no question on this one)
Episode 9 - Subterranean (knocked out Bound 10-6)
Episode 10 - Fanatic (twice as many votes as Shimmer)
Episode 11 - Lockdown (13 votes!)
Episode 12 - Reckoning (a close one -- 9 votes to Fracture's 7)
Episode 13 - Power (Hero got several votes too, but nowhere close to Power's total)
Episode 14 - Requiem (nothing else was even in the same league)
Episode 15 - Resurrection (16 votes!)
Episode 16 - Hypnotic (handily defeats Lucy and Promise)
Episode 17 - Sleeper (18 votes means it even surpassed Resurrection -- wow!)
Episode 18 - Eternal (another Season 8 episode bites the dust!)

I know this will differ a bit from what's going on over in the regular Episode Wars, but I'm going to go ahead and have everyone vote on the last FOUR episodes of the season all at once. That way, I won't take away any attention from the other game in its final round, and besides, I don't want to leave poor li'l Episode 22 all by its lonesome, LOL! Also, please note that I will be combining Exodus with Calling, as I don't believe it's fair to give Exodus an automatic win as the sole Episode 23 on the list, haha.

Here are your choices for Round 7! You may vote from now until Tuesday at 1:00 a.m. since I'm a little behind schedule. Enjoy!

Episode 19:
S1 - Crush
S2 - Precipice
S3 - Memoria
S4 - Blank
S5 - Mercy
S6 - Nemesis
S7 - Quest
S8 - Stiletto

Episode 20:
S1 - Obscura
S2 - Witness
S3 - Talisman
S4 - Ageless
S5 - Fade
S6 - Noir
S7 - Arctic
S8 - Beast

Episode 21:
S1 - Tempest
S2 - Accelerate
S3 - Forsaken
S4 - Forever
S5 - Oracle
S6 - Prototype
S7 - NOTHING!
S8 - Injustice

Episode 22:
S1 - NOTHING!
S2 - Calling/Exodus (combo)
S3 - Covenant
S4 - Commencement
S5 - Vessel
S6 - Phantom
S7 - NOTHING!
S8 - Doomsday

Happy voting, people!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Ella
07-03-2009, 11:54 PM
S19 - Precipice
S20 - Ageless
S21- Tempest
S22- Doomsday

rockyshadow
07-03-2009, 11:56 PM
19 Precipice
20 Ageless
21 Injustice
22 Doomsday

Jlvsclrk
07-04-2009, 12:03 AM
Episode 19 - Mercy. I grade this as a B-, so it's by no means bad - just up against truly superior competition.

Episode 20 - Ageless, for its utter hideous-ness, only redeemed by a few brief moments with Clark cuddling the baby. Just a trainwreck of a premise. I would like to give dishonourable mention to Beast, which made me apoplectic. Noir at least has some beautiful moments, even though Jimmy as lead has never, ever worked for me.

Episode 21 - Tough slot: the episodes here are pretty consistent. I fear Injustice may win but it was the only episode in the final Doomsday cycle I liked because we got to hear Clark speaking up for himself. I give my vote to Forever- again, its not a bad episode but I've got to chose something.

Episode 22 - Doomsday. Duh.

HeroesUnlimited
07-04-2009, 12:04 AM
Episode 19: Stiletto. FINALLY I get to vote against this piece of crap, lol
Episode 20: Ageless - exploding babies? lol, no thanks
Episode 21: Injustice. Totally unecessary and done very poorly. They should have spent more time on the finale than this piece of junk. And the so-called villains? yawn.
Episode 22: Doomsday - VERY disappointing. Unsatisfying.

Hmmm, almost all season 8 this time.

BadToad
07-04-2009, 12:06 AM
Episode 19: Quest
Episode 20: Beast
Episode 21: Injustice
Episode 22: Doomsday

Supsfan
07-04-2009, 12:07 AM
Episode 19: Mercy

Bad Saw ripoff, plus the fact I hated Lionel and Martha pairing

Episode 20: Ageless

Wish I could vote for Noir(waste of time with the B&W crap) and Beast(not enough Clark and to much "drama" for my tastes), both which had there faults but Ageless was just plain ridiculous

Episode 21: Accelerate

I wish Calling was in this category(since it was the 2nd last episode of the season) because I couldn't stand it but since Calling is really an #22 episode I can vote for it there. Accelerate just had a really stupid Lana stalker, rewatching the episode it wasn't as bad as I remember but still not that good.

Episode 22: Calling/Exodus

Let's see everything is going great in Clark's life. After 2 seasons(where we see them use every plot device to keep them apart) Clark finally hooks up with Lana but.......... Jackass Jor-El comes calling for Clark(if only Clark took that as a sign from his dad what he thinks of Lana, I might be more forgiving, ironically in Reckoning Clark proposes to Lana and Jor-El kills her, you think he would learn) and all of a sudden he hates his life(it's all his fault don't you know). Well we at least had a good 10 minutes of Clark being happy there.

In these 2 episodes Clark does absolutely nothing in terms of the heroics department. Chloe also backstabs Clark because she is an emotional basketcase. Clark puts on a red K ring as the season cliff hanger(only to lead us to the terrible Exile which is character assassination beyond belief). Helen Bryce who up to this point was made to look like a good person gets turned into some evil ***** because that's how they do stuff on Smallville, nobody can leave this show with there head held up morally high if they a 1 season character, they need to make them do something completely stupid because it gives us even more "drama".

Let's not forget in Calling we learn Martha is the worst mom in the world denying her son birthdays because heaven forbid they can send Clark to a public school without worrying but having a bunch of kids over at the house to celebrate his birthday might cause problems, but thankfully we get the Lana baking him a cake to save the day and show us how truly wonderful she is(unlike the Evil Wicked Step Mom from the West).

HeroesUnlimited
07-04-2009, 12:09 AM
Episode 19: Quest

Blasphemy! I loved Quest!

SGuthrie27
07-04-2009, 12:12 AM
Okay, time for me to post my own two cents here...

Episode 19 - There were a lot of good ones in this category, so I can automatically rule out "Crush," "Memoria," "Blank," "Nemesis," and "Stiletto." "Mercy" is what some call a "Saw" rip-off, but it has some great character-building moments for Lionel that give us more of a view of who he really is and what he stands for. Martha had some stellar scenes, too, and the part where Clark catches the elevator they're in is priceless. I cannot vote for this one... "Quest" isn't the best, but it does feature Edward Teague, who I'd been wondering about for a while, sets things up nicely for "Arctic," and has Chloe saving Clark's butt again, which is always fun to watch. Therefore, by process of elimination, even though I didn't particularly mind the episode, I'll go with "Precipice." After all, that creepy Paul Hayden guy beat up one of my fave recurring guest stars, Dr. Helen Bryce, and that's just not cool.

Episode 20 - "Obscura" slides by 'cause it's got Chlarky goodness all throughout it. "Talisman" helps build on the Naman/Sageeth part of the mythos and includes Joseph Willowbrook again, so it's too strong for me to vote it off. "Arctic" was a season finale, and a fairly good one at that, so I won't vote for it. "Witness" has Chloe and Clark fighting all throughout it, but since they have so many scenes together period, it's not bad enough for me. "Beast" was pretty ghastly, "Noir" was a bit of a dud (with a cool style) and "Fade" bored me a bit, but still, the winner has got to be... "Ageless!" As in, it was an "agelessly" bad plot full of ridiculous moments! Boo, "Ageless!"

Episode 21 - "Tempest" is awesome, "Oracle" and "Accelerate" have some pretty good moments, and "Injustice," while stupid at times, did have a few cool villains and character moments. "Forsaken" was silly in places, but still not horrid. Actually, none of the episodes in this category are absolutely awful. I just have to go with "Prototype" by default 'cause I didn't care for it as much.

Episode 22 - The season finales for Seasons 2-5 are all too incredible for me to even consider voting for them. I'm going to go the controversial route, though, and not pick "Doomsday." It had some pretty horrible parts, like killing Jimmy and retconning who he really was, while giving the JL virtually nothing to do and making them look bad, trying to cram Chimmy back down our throats, bringing back Zod (WHY?!), and having a 2-minute Doomsday tussle instead of a brawl, PLUS telling us "Clark Kent is dead"... but still... at least I wasn't bored during it. And "Phantom," at times, actually made me feel that way... at least a little bit...

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Supsfan
07-04-2009, 12:26 AM
Blasphemy! I loved Quest!

One issue I had with Quest, although not enough to make me rate it worst episode was did we really need to see Chloe fly a jet to Montreal to save Clark? I think the Chloe saves Clark count in S7 was 3

Jlvsclrk
07-04-2009, 12:32 AM
One issue I had with Quest, although not enough to make me rate it worst episode was did we really need to see Chloe fly a jet to Montreal to save Clark? I think the Chloe saves Clark count in S7 was 3

By my count, it's two: Fracture and Quest, with an honourable mention in Traveller for saving Kara who saves Clark. I don't mind that part of her role in Quest, but her later suggestion that Clark may need to play god makes me shudder. Portent of bad things to come.

Supsfan
07-04-2009, 12:37 AM
By my count, it's two: Fracture and Quest, with an honourable mention in Traveller for saving Kara who saves Clark. I don't mind that part of her role in Quest, but her later suggestion that Clark may need to play god makes me shudder. Portent of bad things to come.

Let's not forget her speech how he should kill Lex.

I am not sure which one of the 3 Clark rescue's in S7 i found the most annoying. In Fracture it works in the plot but they could have just as easily had Clark escape Lex's brain without any help from Chloe. If Chloe using her powers was going to be explored in the next episode or 2, it would have made sense but it wasn't so it came accross pointless.

I personally hated Traveler, one of the worst Clark Kent episodes ever in my book. They could have found some way for him to escape and he should have been the one saving Kara(why they made Chloe and Lana save Kara is beyond me and shows the writers/producers lack of respect for Clark).

As for Quest I think it would be harder to write a way out of the trap for Clark but the fact she caught a jet, flew to Montreal and was there just in the nick of time came accross pretty dumb(it sort of came off like the writers trying to please a certain fanbase that Clark is a helpless fool without Chloe).

rockyshadow
07-04-2009, 01:00 AM
Unfortunately Chloe coming to help in situations such as "Quest" come off so awkward. There were so many instances in that season that were written that way though. I really don't know what to think about how she was written in that one.