Why do you think the powers that be went the “Dear John” video route?

[MountainSniper]

Hi Ksite Board,

Coming at you from the “Dear John” capital of Planet Earth: THE SANDBOX!

I was going to add this to the other thread but wanted to do a poll so sorry if this thread is seen as cluttering up the board but I did want to give posters a chance to directly express their opinion.

I realize this is a Lana/KK bashing board but I would have thought the reason that the powers that be had Lana break up with Clark in a “dear john” video was obvious. It has nothing to do with Lana’s EVOL heartless ways etc which many posters here are trying to highlight but simply it was due to Kristin Kreuk shooting a movie on the other side of the world.

I am pretty sure if Kristin Kreuk would have been available for shooting and having two actors with the TW/KK smoldering chemistry they would have shot for the moon and done a face to face LOFT tear jerker scene to end all LOFT tear jerker scenes.

Isn’t that obvious and the “Dear John” video is just a band-aid solution the powers that be came up with to get through the final episode of the season?

However I might be wrong and the following posters and their quotes might be right!
So here is a collection of the typical Lana Lang bashing quotes from another thread for the video break up I was referring to:


She broke up with Whitney when he was fighting overseas with a video letter! And now she broke up with Clark with a video message on a CD... that's kinda cold. I guess it's nicer than faking your death with a car bomb?

Now this is pretty funny and really shows just how naive some people are when it comes to human nature. Out here in the sandbox you don’t even want to hear the astronomical number of soldiers that have been dumped with a dear john video, email or SMS.

I personally don’t see it as anything more than a logistical issue where the girl is simply not on this side of the world to dump her soldier boyfriend. It is a simple fact of life that out of sight means out of mind and in pretty scary percentages of relationships that means a “dear john” break up is coming up pretty fast.

BTW kanamekun did it ever occur to you that Lana faked her own death to escape the Super Villain that was obsessed with her to the point of him being extremely angry in a psycho kind of way?

Didn’t that punch in the mouth Lana took from Lex tell you anything about what was coming down the line if Lana didn’t get out of Dodge and cover her tracks?


She always could have pulled a Mallrats and written him a letter. Seriously though, she needs to knock off the passive break-up thing, I mean the only time we've seen her actually break up with someone in person was when Clark initiated it.


yea it was pretty bad she broke up with him via dvd, but she did explain why she couldnt do it in person. But since we know she is showing up for atless 3-5 episodes for season 8 they can probably have a better ending to their relationship then.


this video was a dumb idea. i would have rathered her not appear than doing the video. it was a cheesy moment.


All break ups are emotional. She could have done it face to face, said her last goodbyes. Damn.Bleh.


it was lame. Apparently Lana cant break up with anyone face to face..........But come on...the guy deserved more then a video goodbye. She says she's doing it for him...but it just seemed like a cop out.


I'm not thrilled about what they did, either, but I don't think this video is what they "HAD" to do. If they'd wanted to have Lana in the episode, they could easily have done so and not had her break up with Clark via video. It's not like it wasn't the season finale so they didn't have a little time to work around her movie in Thailand.

But, come on, breaking up Clana wasn't exactly something they HAD to do in the finale for any reason that has anything to do with KK's movie. They did HAVE to do it in the way they did it, though, if they wanted to have Clana break up. So it's not exactly a guarantee that Clana will be back (if they did want the breakup), so I don't think it's absurd to speculate that maybe it won't be back.


how unoriginal. she dumps him through a video. deja vu anyone?


But seriously, another video break up?! Didn't she learn from the last time when Whitney DIED after seeing it, and she regretted it?


Im happy it's over but a freaking dvd video breakup ... come cut the f$#@!%^ cheese already this made me mad the break up should have been face to face . For the dvd thing was immature and cheesy.



She basically Clark'ed Clark.......Instead of Clark breaking up with her to protect her, Lana's breaking up with him to stop from holding him back..........But that video was a COP OUT, big time........The video wasn't even detailed, she just cried, said she was holding him back and bye. There HAS to be more for the show's main couple.....


I'm glad it's over. When I saw that video, my thoughts were "after all that we were put through with this Clana crap, they end it like this". This was like kicking dirt in our face. All that time wasted for such a crappy fizzled out ending where Clark is the one left behind.


i was so angry the way she said goodbye to clark ..you could see the pain in his eyes!



Hi Ksite board,

I don’t want to open another thread and clog up the board so will tack this question on the end.

Now that Lana Lang and Clark Kent have broken up for the “last” time AND for the first time the break up was initiated by Lana does this make Lana Lang the one that got away?

So does Lana initialing the break up with Clark make Lois Lane at least in the Smallville universe Clark’s “second choice”?

I really don’t know if making Lois Lane Clark’s second choice is what the powers that be were looking to do but isn’t this exactly the result of their writing of the end of Clana “Dear John” video break up scene?

Does it matter in the Smallville universe that Lois Lane is Clark Kent’s second choice?

Is the reason that Lois witnessed the Clana break up and started crying because Lois can relate to Clark being dumped by Lana Lang for the greater good of the world in the exact same way that Lois was dumped by Oliver Queen for the greater good of the world?

Doesn’t this make the Smallville universe very different from the traditional Superman universe because Clark and Lois are each other’s second choice because the great loves of their lives are Lana Lang and Oliver Queen and not each other?

Since Lana Lang and Oliver Queen dumped them does that make both Clark and Lois look like two lost souls on the rebound that are going to settle for their second choice?

Actually maybe that is just true for Clark if the future of Smallville lines up with the traditional Superman universe where Lois doesn’t even love Clark but instead loves Superman.

I really have to wonder if the powers that be when they wrote this realized that they were setting up Lois as second choice and Lana Lang as the love of Clark’s life that ends their relationship for the greater good of the world because she knows Clark is too in love with her to have the strength to end it.

Anyway just my two cents,

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Lara Lane]

it was due to Kristin Kreuk shooting a movie on the other side of the world.

I agree, it's not fair to bash her character when circumstances were the ones that stopped writers from getting a better ending.


Does it matter in the Smallville universe that Lois Lane is Clark Kent’s second choice?
I disagree, when has Clark made Lois a choice in the first place? There is no romantic Clois in Smallville, only friendship Clois. You can't make Lois and Lana compete when one of the girls isn't even in the race yet. But in the future Lois will be Superman's greatest love while Lana will always be his first love.

[stenochick]

I know the "video" was a solution to the problem of KK not being available to do a scene with Clark. I think they could have put different words in her mouth and would have prevented a lot of "lana bashing" here.

I think if she had made the video to assure Clark that she was fully restored to her normal self and then explained the trauma that this experience had caused her, and then explained that because of this experience, she realizes that Clark has powerful enemies who will target her to control Clark. Then she would explain that this is a bad thing for each of them and the entire human race, given Clark's destiny. Then she would say that because of this, she is moving far away, changing her name, and starting over. Then she can come in with the "I will always love you more than you know." and then this is what needs to happen. You know it deep down. This is much bigger than the two of us. Clark cries. Lois doesn't hear anything that would divulge the secret. They embrace. END SCENE.

[4CHLicks]

BTW kanamekun did it ever occur to you that Lana faked her own death to escape the Super Villain that was obsessed with her to the point of him being extremely angry in a psycho kind of way?
Lana still could have trusted Clark enough to tell him her plans instead of letting him think she was dead. That was extremely cruel and, even manipulative of her, because it made Clark miss her enough to take her back when she returned. She played Clark, plain and simple.


So does Lana initialing the break up with Clark make Lois Lane at least in the Smallville universe Clark’s “second choice”?

The answer to that is NO, Mountain Sniper. Whomever you choose to believe "Lois Lane" to be, Chloe or EDLois, she will not be Clark's second choice. If you've been watching closely, you know the PTB has spent much of Season 7 underlining the fact that Clark loves Lana but he is definately NO longer IN LOVE with her. Bizarro told us Clark's thoughts on Lana even before S7 started when Bizarro sampled Clark's DNA and Clark's thoughts. Clark no longer loves Lana "the way I do." It went down hill from there. See the photos below of Clark's mind in Fracture. His fears associated with each of the 3 SV ladies is apparent. His fears about 2-faced, power-mad, self-described "two-headed hydra" Lana are apparent. Note that Lana's colors are dark and drab while the pictures of Chloe, whom Clark fears loosing (epi Cure possibly) and EDLois, whom Clark fears will find out his alien heritage (epi Kara where EDLois found Kara's spaceship), have colors unchanged.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh250/4CHLicks/crystaltunnelkf1.jpg

I think the PTB wanted to spare us having to put up with a protracted Clana break-up in S8, because they're as sick of it as we are. I don't think we'll be seeing Lana in S8 after all. At least, I hope not.

[MountainSniper]

Hi Lara Lane,


I disagree, when has Clark made Lois a choice in the first place? There is no romantic Clois in Smallville, only friendship Clois.

Opps, do I feel sheepish! Yeah you kind of cornered me (being a Clana) fan here since they aren’t romantic on Smallville but instead warm hearted buddies that really get on each other’s nerves.

I have to run up the white flag on this point!


You can't make Lois and Lana compete when one of the girls isn't even in the race yet.

Yes this is true but even more so since on Smallville Lois was never in the race and in this last episode Lana has taken herself out of the race.

But in the future (after the appearance of Superman) does Lana Lang taking herself out of the race and thus not being an available choice for Clark/Superman make Lois the winner by default?


But in the future Lois will be Superman's greatest love while Lana will always be his first love.

In the comics but Smallville is different since since on Smallville Lana is the love of Clark’s life and the only reason he is not with her today is she took herself out of the race for the good of the world.

Cheers, Mountain Sniper

[kanamekun]

Hey, I actually like Lana. I think the video message was just bad writing. However, I totally understand about the logistical difficulties with KK. I would've actually preferred for Clark to break up with Lana because he realized he had to embrace his destiny. He could've done that by talking to her in bed, while she just lay there in the Smallville Medical Center (maybe used some stock footage from an old ep of her lying in a hospital bed). Maybe left a letter for her on the bed too...

I don't mind that Lana faked her death to escape from Lex. But why didn't she at least tell Clark before she did it? The only reason is that it was a cliffhanger... I would rather she had not talked to Clark in that season finale at all. Then at least we could say that she wasn't able to get away from Lex for even a second.

[yoda1138777]

to give more time to chloe and jimmy :(

[AlwaysRight]

I think TPTB wanted Lana in the episode, personally i think they should have just waited till next season to do the break up then.

It could be they wanted the break up before he went to the FOS becuase next season will start "3 months later"

[Jade4813]

I don't think anyone will be anyone's second choice. That's like saying you're still hung up on every girl/guy who broke your heart over the course of your lifetime.

Clark loved Lana, and he wanted to be with her for a very long time. But over the course of the series - this last season in particular - it WAS made clear that he doesn't feel the same way about her that he used to. I'd give the whole analysis of the Apocalypse scene in which he finds out Lana's married, but I've already done it once on another thread.

As for Lois...well, sometimes you love someone and it's just not meant to be. And when you recognize that, you move on. If love is you floating around this world looking for a perfect "fit" to your soul (as I've heard it described before), then Lana and Clark (and Ollie and Lois) have realized that they weren't that fit.

They also didn't make each other particularly happy over the course of the show. I could probably think of some episodes in which they were allowed to truly enjoy each other and each other's company, but it would be far easier (and a much longer list) to list episodes in which one or the other (or both) of them was perfectly miserable in their relationship.

First loves are hard to let go of. That's it, unfortunately. And I know a lot of first loves are convinced they're a) meant to be together and b) never going to find anyone they love more than this first love of theirs. I think the majority of people, however, would declare this not to be true.

I think Clark will always care about Lana. But Lois being his second choice...? Or Clark being Lois's...? That's like saying, again, that anyone on this board who married anyone who wasn't their first love chose their spouse as a "second choice" and I think most people would probably object to that.

[Lara Lane]

But in the future (after the appearance of Superman) does Lana Lang taking herself out of the race and thus not being an available choice for Clark/Superman make Lois the winner by default?

I'll concede in this one and simply say this: We, based solely in the reality of Smallville, perhaps will never know, since probably we will not see that future, so I guess the choice of what to believe about that is within each fan, whatever makes us happy ;).

[LoveHurts38]

The logistical impossibility of a face to face break up due to Kristin Kreuk being in Thailand!

[MountainSniper]

Hi 4CHlicks,


Lana still could have trusted Clark enough to tell him her plans instead of letting him think she was dead. That was extremely cruel and, even manipulative of her, because it made Clark miss her enough to take her back when she returned. She played Clark, plain and simple.

You kind of lost me here. Let me understand the mind of the Lana basher.

So regarding you last sentence:


That was extremely cruel and, even manipulative of her, because it made Clark miss her enough to take her back when she returned. She played Clark, plain and simple.

So you are trying to claim that if Lana didn’t fake her own death and make Clark miss her then he wouldn’t have taken her back?

So Lana did this EVOL “fake death” manipulation to manipulate/play Clark into taking her back?

You know that is quite a stretch even for the typical K-site Lana bashing crowd.

Do you think there is even a little chance that being shot full of drugs for fake baby, the horror of a miscarriage, punch in the face, what turned up in her investigations of the super villain Lex that maybe being freaking scared of a sociopath billionaire might have just a tiny winy bit to do with her decision to get out of Dodge and cover her tracks with a fake death?

I mean maybe have just a little tiny bit to do with her fake death plan???????



If you've been watching closely, you know the PTB has spent much of Season 7 underlining the fact that Clark loves Lana but he is definately NO longer IN LOVE with her.

Gotta disagree with this one. Clarks statements in Action about being satisfied with life with Lana on the farm right up to the last episode with Clark crying as Lana dumps him “for the good of the world” in a video appear to me to illustrate that Clark is in love with Lana Lang.

Why would the powers that be want to convince the audience that Clark doesn’t love Lana over season seven?

Doesn’t that take a whole lot out of the drama of a Clana break up scene they saved for the season final?

And if true that Clark is: “definitely NO longer in Love with her” why was he so upset?

Is there any chance that on this one the Lana Lang bashers are just projecting their hopes and dreams rather than watching what is actually happening on the screen?

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

PS catch all you crazy kids tomorrow, it’s eight in the evening in the sandbox and its time for a few pints.

[Lara Lane]

That's like saying, again, that anyone on this board who married anyone who wasn't their first love chose their spouse as a "second choice" and I think most people would probably object to that.

agreed, my hubbie wasn't my first love but he sure isn't my second choice, he was just the right choice. ;)

[MountainSniper]

Hi Lara Lane,


so I guess the choice of what to believe about that is within each fan, whatever makes us happy ;).

Ain't that the truth.

Until next time.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

Hi Jade,


That's like saying, again, that anyone on this board who married anyone who wasn't their first love chose their spouse as a "second choice" and I think most people would probably object to that.

Not true in the case of Clark and Lana because in most cases your first love runs it's course and you break up and go on with life.

In their case Clark wants Lana but she initiates and carries through on her own with the break up rather than it's a mutual or just a high school thing etc.

don't forget that CLark and Lana have been effectively living together on the family farm as a perminant couple etc.

That is a lot different than the usual "high school" first love experience.

Now I really gotta run.

LATERS!

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Jade4813]

Not true in the case of Clark and Lana because in most cases your first love runs it's course and you break up and go on with life.

In their case Clark wants Lana but she initiates and carries through on her own with the break up rather than it's a mutual or just a high school thing etc.

don't forget that CLark and Lana have been effectively living together on the family farm as a perminant couple etc.

That is a lot different than the usual "high school" first love experience.

Right. They have. But first of all, people do get over their hearts being broken. Unless we're now saying that everyone's still hung up on every person who was the one to break it off (but has moved past everyone they broke up with). Again, that argument is flawed.

As for the seriousness of the relationship...well, I think the "relationship" in question wasn't exactly what one would normally think of between two people living together. But even if so...living together in a permanent relationship still doesn't change things.

People break up with fiances sometimes...or fiance's die. And then they move on, meet, and marry someone else. And that person isn't their second choice.

People even break up with spouses, meet someone new, get remarried, and realize that their second husband was the love of their life.

It doesn't always happen, but it doesn't NEVER happen, either.

In all honesty, I was afraid they'd set this kind of thing up for years. I was convinced that when they broke up, I'd feel like Lana was always going to be Clark's first choice. But watching this season, seeing the two of them be rather distant with each other, seeing Clark seem to realize that he and Lana weren't meant to be together, and seeing Clark be genuinely happy to find out she was happily married in another universe...I was honestly surprised to realize that it didn't come off that way.

I expect when she comes back next season, Smallville will make this even more clear. But we'll have to wait to see.

[Kreukie]

would have prevented a lot of "lana bashing" here.

Nothing prevents Lana bashing, everything Lana done since season one has been bashed by members on this forum, this is why Lana fans don't stick around here. Every fandom that's not pro-Lana tag team with each other when it comes to bashing Lana.

It's like Lana fans vs. all rest of the Smallville fandom. :eek:

[Jade4813]

It's like Lana fans vs. all rest of the Smallville fandom. :eek:

Awwww...I do feel for you. Honestly, I do. It does seem like ships gang up on each other. I don't get attacked too often by Clana fans for liking Clois - don't know if it's because there aren't as many on here or what. But it's like Lois fans against Chlark and Clana fans, just as I'm SURE Clana fans feel attacked by Clois and Chlark fans.

I can't believe how much division there is among fans, whose passion to bash the characters is only matched by the passion to bash each other.

I'm not a Lana fan, which I've never hidden. But even I want to scream sometimes when I read some of these posts. *sighs*

I should just quit this board I think sometimes. I swear.

[Twitch]

Nothing prevents Lana bashing, everything Lana done since season one has been bashed by members on this forum, this is why Lana fans don't stick around here. Every fandom that's not pro-Lana tag team with each other when it comes to bashing Lana.

It's like Lana fans vs. all rest of the Smallville fandom. :eek:
It does feel that way sometimes, which is a shame really. Trust me though not every member here hates or bashes Lana. ;)

I think some people just don't realize how much the bashing hurts fans of the character. :\

[Jor'el_Ted]

I think it was a little more dramatic and profound this way. Ofcorse my first thought was schedualing conflicts so they comprimised with a video break up. But then as i thought about it since this most likely Lana's final goodbye it would be better NOT to have a long tear jerking scene where Clark and Lana say goodbye before parting ways.

I've been Clana fan since the very beginning so i think i would've perfered this instead of a face to face goodbye(seen too many of those already). I also know Clark's destined to hook up with Lois so that means leaving Lana behind and that's exactly what her video message was supposed to do.

[Valerie]

Lana is pretty much eye candy for the male fans. I have found her character (as written in Smallville) to be for the most part boring and sometimes annoying. If she had been written so that the whole male population of Smallville (and sometimes even female "Tina Greer") were not totally obsessed with her she may have been a more interesting and relatable character.

As for the "smoldering chemistry" between KK and TW, I just don't, and never have seen it. I have always found their scenes together blah and mostly boring. My husband liked Lana at first (eye candy), but soon he too got annoyed with her.

Clark's obsession with Lana was unhealthy. No matter who Lana was with (Whitney, Adam, Jason, or Lex) Clark's world still revolved around Lana. This was an insult to the character of Clark Kent.

As for the vidio breakup... I know they did it for practical reasons. I had both a sense of relief... they are finally breaking up... and disgust... again they make Lana into the innocent self sacrificing victim.

I have never been so annoyed with a fictional character as I have been with Smallville's Lana Lang.

[superedgar]

I like the fact that lana knowing Clark's secret puts a twist on the superman mythology. So does this mean that she will always know? How about when Clark becomes superman? Will she be able to say, "i did the right thing in letting him go?"
just thought it was interesting.

[Jade4813]

I like the fact that lana knowing Clark's secret puts a twist on the superman mythology. So does this mean that she will always know? How about when Clark becomes superman? Will she be able to say, "i did the right thing in letting him go?"
just thought it was interesting.

Actually, this isn't a twist at all. In modern comics, Lana knows full well about Superman.

I don't normally post Wikipedia stuff, but I'm too lazy to type it all up myself. So, from Wikipedia:


After the 1985-1986 miniseries Crisis on Infinite Earths was written, various aspects of Lana's history were retconned, starting with comics writer John Byrne's miniseries The Man of Steel, which was designed to rewrite Superman's origin from scratch. In the post-Crisis version of events, Lana was a childhood friend of Clark, with a certain degree of romantic tension in the air as Lana had long pined after Clark, who had loved her only platonically in return.

After they graduated from high school Clark took Lana on a private walk, saying that he had to tell her something important, which Lana honestly expected to be a marriage proposal. He then divulged to her that he had superpowers, displayed by flying her around the world, before explaining that he felt he had to leave Smallville to help humanity as a whole. Kissing her goodbye "like a brother," Lana was left in considerable shock, not only over the revelation of Clark's superpowers, but also over the final realisation that he held no reciprocal romantic feelings towards her, leaving Lana heartbroken and alone. When Lana finally aired her grievance with him years later, Clark felt very bad over how he had hurt her.

When Clark appeared in public as Superman some years later, the lonely and depressed Lana deduced his true identity and became something of a stalker, to the extent that Lex Luthor noticed the frequency with which she appeared in the vicinity of the hero and actually had her tortured in an attempt to gain whatever inside knowledge of Superman she might have. However, Lana bravely kept Clark's identity a secret and upon his rescuing her their relationship became more healthy once again, albeit still at a distance. Unlike the pre-Crisis Earth-One continuity, Lana did not go on to have a journalistic career, compete with Lois for Superman's affections, nor play a significant role in Clark's life in Metropolis.

Years later, the post-Crisis Lana eventually married Pete Ross. The two settled into a quiet life in Smallville, where they had a son they named after their mutual friend, Clark. Pete began a career in politics that got him elected to the United States Senate. In 2000, Senator Ross became Lex Luthor's vice presidential running mate in Luthor's bid to become President of the United States, and after the two won, Lana moved to Washington, D.C. Eventually, Luthor was forced from his office, and Pete Ross became president (and Lana the First Lady of the United States). Lana began to subtly attempt to regain Clark's affections, much to the anger of his (now) wife Lois Lane. Pete and Lana briefly reunited after Superman saved them from being killed by the villainous Ruin in Adventures of Superman. In Superman #654, Perry White reported that Lana had become CEO of LexCorp following the ousting of founder Lex Luthor.

And if you want to look at the now (in)famous letter to see whether Lana in comics looks back and says that it's good she let him go:

http://www.lana-clark.net/comic/letter4.jpg
http://www.lana-clark.net/comic/letter5.jpg

[4CHLicks]

Do you think there is even a little chance that being shot full of drugs for fake baby, the horror of a miscarriage, punch in the face, what turned up in her investigations of the super villain Lex that maybe being freaking scared of a sociopath billionaire might have just a tiny winy bit to do with her decision to get out of Dodge and cover her tracks with a fake death?
I'm not saying he wouldn't have taken her back, "fake death" or no "fake death." I'm not even saying her reasons for the "fake death" weren't valid. I'm just saying Lana made him feel extreme and unnecessary pain by not telling him her plan beforehand, which is emotionally manipulative. She made him feel worse than he had to, just because she could. That's what happens when you feel emotions toward someone you shouldn't trust. You get your heart broken, just like Clark over Lana's "fake death." But SECRETHS AND LITHS have always interfered with the foundation of Clana, making in rocky and unstable.


Gotta disagree with this one. Clarks statements in Action about being satisfied with life with Lana on the farm right up to the last episode with Clark crying as Lana dumps him “for the good of the world” in a video appear to me to illustrate that Clark is in love with Lana Lang.
There were so many reasons Clark cried, you can't just narrow it down to "Clark's still in love with Lana." It just doesn't wash, at least not for me. I've already stated that Clark loves Lana, he just isn't IN love with her. Bizarro also revealed that Clark has been lying to himself about being in love with Lana because he was so worried about doing the right thing. And I believe Clark cried, because he does love Lana and will miss her even if he isn't in love with her anymore and, worse, Lana made him feel like the "bad guy" again in their relationship with her video parting. So very far from being able to do "the right thing", Clark was overwhelmed with guilt already over what one of his ememies had done to her and, things got so bad living with him, Lana couldn't wait to run away from him. She never even gave him a chance to apologize and make amends. Clark cried because he felt guilty and abandoned. Abandoned like a little child in a busy supermarket.

[morphs]

There's no way she could have left if she saw the love in Clark's eyes.

I'll take the dramatic option.

[SteveS]

MountainSniper, Lana is ClarkMan's first love, Alicia was a second love, then back to Lana who being the one who did the dumping, is the 'one that got away.' lois, which will never happen in Smallville, may succeed Lana, but she will never replace her. Personally, I like the idea of ClarkMan thinking about Lana (and the Earth moving for them) and Alicia (great personality and great in her underwear), the first time that he gives lois what she really wants...'coitus without interruptus.'

The video 'dear John' was just an efficient way to handle the break-up, there would be no one for ClarkMan to argue, beg, or plead with, just deal with the cold hard facts of Lana moving on. As you know, in reality, this kind of thing happens all the time and always has. Time-wise, Smallville probably couldn't have done it any differently in a season finale episode.

Be that as it may, the relationship ended with them loving each other...those memories can last a lifetime, or in ClarkMan's case, virtually an eternity.

[Jlvsclrk]

I answered none of the above, since its actually a combination of things. First off, practicality was obviously a factor. Logistically, getting her and Tom in a room together was probably impossible. But I did also think it was entirely in character for her. Obviously thinking of the previously mentioned Dear John letter to Whitney, the faked death with Lex. I don't think her reasons were entirely as altruistic "for the better of the world" as she makes out: her fear about getting caught in the crossfire must also have played a part - who can blame her after months of agony. Also, the way she made all her arrangements to go to Paris in S3 in quiet because she knew if she talked to Clark face to face, he was the only one who could talk her out of it. Yes, it was a harsh thing to do but it was what she felt was the right thing to do. So it hurt her, she knew it would hurt Clark, but she did what she felt was necessary. And I certainly saw this coming...

[smallvillefreak24]

I WANTED A END LOFT SCENE TO END ALL LOFT SCENES THAT WOULD OF GAVE ME CLOSURE! o well i'm putting it to rest or i will go nuts with a cherry on top

[ginnyfan]

I think mainly it's because KK is in Thailand and physically cannot be there for a face to face breakup. I like the continuity of it. She broke up with Whitney by video. LOL!

But also I really believe Lana when she says she wouldn't be able to break up with him face to face. In "Promise" *shudder* Lana went through all that, marrying Lex to save Clark's life *GAG* and still couldn't convince Clark that she didn't love him.

At the most dreary moments of Season 7 and when faced with a choice between dreary Clark and attentive, loving Bizarro... Lana stuck by Clark and would rather be cold and sad with Clark than without him. I really believe that he could have convinced her to try again the way he did in "Siren."

It could have been really stupid, but the writing and really, KK's performance, saved it.

[supergirl28]

Well Kristin still is in Thailand, and can anyone really blaim Lana for the video breakup. She knows that Clark can convince her to do anything. He's her weakness, and she is his. If Lana were to look at Clark in the eye telling his his destiney is greater than her, all Clark would have to say "your more impotant". Lana had to let Clark go so that he can save people. 'Dear Jon" letter was the best thing for both of them. Clark would nver be Superman if Lana haden't told him so.

[Hopefulsuicide]

well i agree it's geographical, i did think the video worked better than any clana loft scene would have done... cause he couldn't argue back... and i really think that made it more emotional

[Jade4813]

well i agree it's geographical, i did think the video worked better than any clana loft scene would have done... cause he couldn't argue back... and i really think that made it more emotional

I agree that it made it more emotional. *ponders* The problem is that it lacked closure. Maybe that's what they'll do with it next season because...*shrugs* I don't know. It just feels unfinished to me, this way.

[susangail]

The video was so final. If the two had confronted each other in person, it would also have taken longer screenwise, which the episode didn't need.

[Jade4813]

The video was so final. If the two had confronted each other in person, it would also have taken longer screenwise, which the episode didn't need.

I see both points of view. I just feel like...with her telling him she was going and him not getting to respond...*shrugs* I just feel like there's still something open-ended there. He didn't get to go, "You're right, this relationship isn't working out. We should both move on."

There is reason to suspect he feels that way, given S7 Clana. But, still...*shrugs* I just don't like the lack of closure. I didn't want a long scene. But I would have liked closure.

It's like this way, I'm afraid they'll have him mope at the top of S8, whereas with a differently done scene, I feel like they could have realistically shown him moving on without the mope. And I am SO sick of the moping.

I also, frankly, am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that THIS is why they broke up, because I felt like the entire season was setting up other reasons more clearly than this one. But that's my personal nitpick.

[susangail]

I see both points of view. I just feel like...with her telling him she was going and him not getting to respond...*shrugs* I just feel like there's still something open-ended there. He didn't get to go, "You're right, this relationship isn't working out. We should both move on."

There is reason to suspect he feels that way, given S7 Clana. But, still...*shrugs* I just don't like the lack of closure. I didn't want a long scene. But I would have liked closure.

It's like this way, I'm afraid they'll have him mope at the top of S8, whereas with a differently done scene, I feel like they could have realistically shown him moving on without the mope. And I am SO sick of the moping.

I also, frankly, am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that THIS is why they broke up, because I felt like the entire season was setting up other reasons more clearly than this one. But that's my personal nitpick.

Agreed. Ditto about the moping, but he seems to be doing a teeny bit less of that. Here's hoping...

Without closure in this episode, there's a reason for KK to return in S8. Otherwise, why would TPTB bother? I'd be fine with a clana wrapup, as long as SV doesn't jerk us around with too much teasing. It's way past time for that.

[supercatmom]

KK was in Thailand. If this had been a full season, maybe it could have been done differently. But since KK will not be a series regular next year, they had to end Clana.

The sad part was that Clana should not have been dragged out for 7 seasons and the break-up video was even sadder.

By dragging Clara out for 7 seasons, they have made Lana the love of Superman's life and by having Lois show up magicly at the end of the video so that Clark can fall into her arms, she becomes the rebound girl.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I see both points of view. I just feel like...with her telling him she was going and him not getting to respond...*shrugs* I just feel like there's still something open-ended there. He didn't get to go, "You're right, this relationship isn't working out. We should both move on."

There is reason to suspect he feels that way, given S7 Clana. But, still...*shrugs* I just don't like the lack of closure. I didn't want a long scene. But I would have liked closure.

It's like this way, I'm afraid they'll have him mope at the top of S8, whereas with a differently done scene, I feel like they could have realistically shown him moving on without the mope. And I am SO sick of the moping.

I also, frankly, am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that THIS is why they broke up, because I felt like the entire season was setting up other reasons more clearly than this one. But that's my personal nitpick.

well realistically, i understand Clark's obsession, and the fact that Lana was really the only one who could have made the choice... i've been there, so in love i would never make the decision for myself... i guess i liked it because it reminded me of the wonderful freedom of my last break up

he dumped me, then i found out he cheated on me, i didnt see him for 4 months... and in about a month i had found closure on my own, because he wasn't there to distract me and all my feelings dissapeared...

i guess i'm hoping that with lana not giving him a chance to even fight, just making the decision for him, and with her being away for a while, he will realise it was for the best on his own

[borednow]

Because it's in character, Lana broke up with Whitney with a video... she was going to break up with Lex via a sticky note on their wedding day... no matter what you think of the girl her break up etiquette sucks...

[MountainSniper]

Hi Jade,


Right. They have. But first of all, people do get over their hearts being broken.

Yes they do but they never get over the love of their life even if they move on with someone else. There is just too much history on Smallville especially with Clark being in love with Lana Lang since he was five or seven or whatever.


As for the seriousness of the relationship...well, I think the "relationship" in question wasn't exactly what one would normally think of between two people living together. But even if so...living together in a permanent relationship still doesn't change things.

The relationship is just about as serious as relationships can be after all Clark and Lana have been through, the sacrifices etc due to their relationship. The reality is they have living together on the farm in what was a permanent relationship.


People break up with fiances sometimes...or fiance's die. And then they move on, meet, and marry someone else. And that person isn't their second choice. People even break up with spouses, meet someone new, get remarried, and realize that their second husband was the love of their life. It doesn't always happen, but it doesn't NEVER happen, either.

Sure but the difference is usually when break ups happen it is more of a “normal” break up where feelings change etc.

But for Clark and Lana they are breaking up due to circumstance and are still in love with each other. Believe me that makes a huge difference.

To illustrate my point in my own experience I broke up with the love of my life due to circumstance ie war in the Balkans. It’s a horrible clique and I can’t think of a better word but when you break up with someone due to circumstance when you are still in love with them then you never have “closure”. There can be many; too many partners etc come after them but that ‘what could have been” love of your life relationship haunts you forever.

It might have been the intention of the Smallville writers or not but what they have done with Clark and Lana is exactly that.

I do think the writers in the Smallville universe are breathing sighs of relief that they don’t have to write the continuing saga of the Smallville universe where they have to think up a believable way to light switch Clark Kent into falling in love on sight with Lois Lane the day he is being interviewed by Perry White and Lois Lane barges into the office babbling about breaking the story on the Intergang gun running ring.

The seven years of Clark Kent being constantly, hopelessly and endlessly in love with Lana Lang and then breaking up while still in love with each other in the Smallville universe makes that magical lightswitch unbelievable.


In all honesty, I was afraid they'd set this kind of thing up for years. I was convinced that when they broke up, I'd feel like Lana was always going to be Clark's first choice. But watching this season, seeing the two of them be rather distant with each other, seeing Clark seem to realize that he and Lana weren't meant to be together, and seeing Clark be genuinely happy to find out she was happily married in another universe...I was honestly surprised to realize that it didn't come off that way.


Actually I am not surprised at all you feel that way.

I really doubt it would ever come off any other way to your self or any other a Lana Lang hater. The ability of human beings to rationalize away the reality of what is happening in front of their eyes is obviously hard at work helping you get through the emotional trauma of having to watch each week Clark Kent and Lana Lang in love with each other on Smallville.

As for Clark being genuinely happy that Lana was happily married in another universe I see that as evidence she really is the love of his life. He knows the horrors she has gone through (drugs, blackmail, shot, staked, miscarriage etc) in his universe so why wouldn’t he be happy that the woman he loves was spared those in the other universe.

But she is the love of his life so that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be there in a heart beat if she ever became available.

Again real life example to illustrate my point. The love of my life is married with a son and living in Australia. I would never do anything to interfere or break up her marriage but that doesn’t mean I am not waiting out her marriage. If circumstance ever made her available she sure wouldn’t be single for very long if I had anything to say about it.

That’s the breaks when it comes to love, war and Smallville.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

----- Added 29 Minutes later -----

Hi Kreukie,


Nothing prevents Lana bashing, everything Lana done since season one has been bashed by members on this forum, this is why Lana fans don't stick around here. Every fandom that's not pro-Lana tag team with each other when it comes to bashing Lana. It's like Lana fans vs. all rest of the Smallville fandom. :eek:


And why do you think that is?

Of course the K-Site fandom is going to bash Lana Lang and everyone that is a Clana fan. People will put up with a lot of things but one thing they can’t handle is the idea that someone else is enjoying something they want.

Every single week the K-Site fandom has to watch Clark being romantically indifferent to Chloe and Lois while you can practically hear his heart throbbing when he looks at Lana Lang.

Of course it is going to drive them crazy, crushed, mean, angry, hostile etc.

I always find it kind of funny on the Clana forum when the Clana fans are whining about not enough Clana in the last episode. Do any Clana fans for a second stop and think about just how freaking lucky they are compared to the poor Chlark and Clois fans.

For the poor Chlark and Clois fans they have had to deal episode after episode of being emotionally battered by endless Clana moments of moony eyed glances, feather soft face touches, longing looks, heartfelt yearning, etc.

It is no surprise that the K-site Chlark and Clois fans are suffering from bitterness and lashing out at Lana and the Clana fans.

Denial is the only way the K-Site Chlark and Clois fans can hold onto their sanity after watching the Clana on Smallville week after week.

Being a Clana fan is a riding a surfboard to the beach compared with the horrors of the Chlark and Clois fandom so cut them a break.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper


Another question for all:

Is there anyone else out there in Smallville fandom that likes all the Smallville girls or am I all alone?

[MountainSniper]

Hi 4CHLicks,


I'm just saying Lana made him feel extreme and unnecessary pain by not telling him her plan beforehand, which is emotionally manipulative. She made him feel worse than he had to, just because she could. .

You really think Lana Lang chose to hurt Clark Kent “just because she could”?

Wow, you really have a bad case of the Lana hates, don’t you.

Well for a change of pace let’s instead look at the facts.

So why didn’t Lana tell Clark about her “fake death” plan?

It was a very complex operation which Lana had planned down to the last detail which for success depended on it being a secret.

So haven’t you ever heard the term: “Operational Security”?

Lana had reasons for fearing Lex Luther. Lex in implied threats told Lana he didn’t know what he would be capable of if he lost her and/or if she betrayed him. Lex abused her both physically, mentally and with the drugs he even abused her medically. Lana had been spying on Lex after the marriage and by the end had a pretty good handle on Lex’s ethics.

Finally the reason for not telling Clark was the same reason she didn’t tell Clark about Lionel blackmailing her into marrying Lex. She was protecting Clark.

For proof reference episode Phantom:

Lana: Clark, I came here to say goodbye. Lex is going to be very angry. It's too dangerous. I have to leave Smallville.
.
Clark: I guess there's no reason for you to go. We can be together now. You'd be safe.
Lana: You won't be.
Clark: There's not many things that can hurt me.
Lana: But you're not invincible. You have a weakness.


Lana knows that Clark has a weakness since it was confirmed by Lionel and Chloe on two separated occasions and Clark doesn’t contradict it in the loft reveal scene. What Lana doesn’t know is does Lex know about it or can he find out or is he working on it etc.

Thus she has to assume that Clark is vulnerable and would try to get in the way of her and danger from either Lex or Lionel so the best way to protect him and ensure operational security of her escape plan is to keep him out of the loop.

It would also keep Clark from looking for her after her escape and thus keep him safe and allow him to move on with life.


She never even gave him a chance to apologize and make amends. Clark cried because he felt guilty and abandoned. Abandoned like a little child in a busy supermarket.

Really “Abandoned like a little child in a busy supermarket”! Wow, where did that image come from?

So were you abandoned in a busy supermarket as a little kid and you have been traumatized ever since?

I think I will go with the more logical explanation that people cry when they are dumped because they are losing someone they love.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[eas]

Nothing prevents Lana bashing, everything Lana done since season one has been bashed by members on this forum, this is why Lana fans don't stick around here. Every fandom that's not pro-Lana tag team with each other when it comes to bashing Lana.

It's like Lana fans vs. all rest of the Smallville fandom. :eek:

Aw, I'm sorry. If it makes you feel any better, I've ganged up with Clana fans against Chlark fans plenty of times!! :D

Honestly, I do think that your ship gets the brunt of it around here. Even more than Clois. (But I think Lois is hated more than Lana.)

Regarding the poll: I'm surprised this is even a question. It had to be because Kruek was in Thailand. Otherwise, we definitely would have gotten a face-to-face. Personally, I feel that they should have waited until the season premiere to address this and given Lana/Clark a decent break up scene. With both talking about things through and through. There was no closure this way and not only did they do a disservice to Clana fans, but to "SV" fans, in general.

Whether I ship Clana or not, I've watched 7 years of it up to this point. I deserve more, as a viewer, than a DVD message.

[MountainSniper]

Hi Steve,


Lana is ClarkMan's first love, Alicia was a second love, then back to Lana who being the one who did the dumping, is the 'one that got away.'

I agree with you and almost believe it was the intention of the writers to make at least in the Smallville universe Lana Lang not Lois Lane as the “love of his life”.

I feel the same way about Alicia as you do. I thought she was a great character being a meteor freak and suffering from the prejudice and hate one would expect from the typically xenophobic residents of Smallville.

I do think Alicia should have been on the show for at least the remainder of that season and instead of being killed by another meteor freak she is killed by the human residents of Smallville that are terrified of the unknown etc.

I think it would have really gone a long way in illustrating Clark’s isolation as an alien hiding from hatred of the xenophobic humans even as he saves them again and again.

Besides she did look fantastic in her underwear!


lois, which will never happen in Smallville, may succeed Lana, but she will never replace her. Personally, I like the idea of ClarkMan thinking about Lana (and the Earth moving for them) and Alicia (great personality and great in her underwear), the first time that he gives lois what she really wants...'coitus without interruptus.'

Well you got a laugh out of me with this statement and I do agree more than disagree.

I think that Smallville with the long history of Clark being in love with Lana and then the break up with both of them still in love whether they intended or not the powers that be have in the Smallville universe MADE Lana Lang the love of Clark Kent’s life.

I just don’t think any more than it is possible for the powers to turn around the Smallville universe Supertanker and in a believable way “light switch” on the more traditional Superman canon of Lois Lane being the love of Clark’s life.

In the Smallville universe Lana Lang will always be the love of Clark’s life while Lois is second choice and Clark is her second choice behind Oliver Queen.


Be that as it may, the relationship ended with them loving each other...those memories can last a lifetime, or in ClarkMan's case, virtually an eternity.


That is just the way they wrote it!

Besides Lois will probably be thinking of Oliver Queen.


The video 'dear John' was just an efficient way to handle the break-up, there would be no one for ClarkMan to argue, beg, or plead with, just deal with the cold hard facts of Lana moving on. As you know, in reality, this kind of thing happens all the time and always has.

Actually Lana’s video is compassionate, sensitive, caring etc compared to the usual Dear John break up stuff. You can’t believe how insensitive those things are until you have seen a couple dozen of the typical “sandbox shaft” Dear Johns.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Jade4813]

I really doubt it would ever come off any other way to your self or any other a Lana Lang hater. The ability of human beings to rationalize away the reality of what is happening in front of their eyes is obviously hard at work helping you get through the emotional trauma of having to watch each week Clark Kent and Lana Lang in love with each other on Smallville.

Wow. :lol: I'd be offended by the image of me that you seem to be projecting here if a) I was the type to get offended by people I've never met or, b) I was likely to bother to remember you'd done so in another ten minutes. ;)

I think calling it emotional trauma (for ME) might be overstating it. :lol: I've found it aggravating, inexplicable, and poorly done, but it's not keeping me up nights, you know? If I ever get to a point where a tv show causes me emotional trauma, I think that'll be the day that I get rid of my television. I am a fairly grounded person with a pretty good grasp of "reality" and "fiction" and I'm not exactly the sort to let fiction actually impact my reality.

And, frankly, the problems I have in my life are rather more serious than how I feel about the love affair of two characters in a television show I won't miss overly much once it's over. :rotfl: (There are very, very few that I do, as I don't generally get THAT attached to television shows. They are impermanent, fiction, and don't impact my actual reality.) And when I DON'T have problems, I enjoy the rarity of that too much to create problems for myself by getting too hung up on a television show. :lol:

Thanks, but no thanks. Absolutely no fictional work is worth that. I'm a law student. I have enough problems...all of which will continue to impact on my life and matter more, in the end, than a television show (which has existed for less than a fourth of my life and which I havent even been watching all that time) is ever likely to do. :rotfl:


As for Clark being genuinely happy that Lana was happily married in another universe I see that as evidence she really is the love of his life. He knows the horrors she has gone through (drugs, blackmail, shot, staked, miscarriage etc) in his universe so why wouldn’t he be happy that the woman he loves was spared those in the other universe.

But she is the love of his life so that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be there in a heart beat if she ever became available.

Again real life example to illustrate my point. The love of my life is married with a son and living in Australia. I would never do anything to interfere or break up her marriage but that doesn’t mean I am not waiting out her marriage. If circumstance ever made her available she sure wouldn’t be single for very long if I had anything to say about it.

That’s the breaks when it comes to love, war and Smallville.

I can see you feeling that way, as a Lana fan. I don't necessarily agree with it, but maybe that's in part because...and this is not meant to start any kind of war or anything...but because we know the end of the story. And, yes, it is understandably harder for me to get too hung up on a relationship that I know going in is doomed to fail - whether we see its downfall or not.

I suppose it's possible that this has ALWAYS influenced my perception of Clana. I KNOW they don't end up together. I KNOW she's not the love of his life. I KNOW he moves on. So even going in, I knew it was going to end...although when I started watching Smallville, I put in the first disk to watch the Pilot with the hope (and expectation) that we wouldn't see the relationship's end.

But watching Smallville, while I saw two people who wanted it to work out, I never saw a relationship that WOULD.

I've seen a number of television shows and movies wherein one character was MEANT to be with the other character and wasn't. I've seen similarly shows where it was clear that they weren't meant to be together and it kept attempting to work. For me, Clana was always that last one. And, frankly, if I don't buy a ship, I can't support it, whether or not I know it ends up or doesn't. I actually had a long conversation with my friend earlier today about how I really have never gotten behind Peter Parker and Mary Jane in the movies because of the way they're written...although I've always LOVED them in the comics.

Anyway, back to Clana. Part of the reason, I suppose, that I could never quite bring myself to get behind this ship (although I can't express how much I really, REALLY wanted to do so) is that I never really saw the two of them happy together. It was the same angst, the same drama, over and over and over again. Clark never really made Lana happy, IMO, and Lana never really made Clark happy either. Did they seem to love each other? Yes. But except for a couple of episodes, I never saw the two of them really ENJOY themselves or each other in their relationship.

Lana always wanted the Truth from Clark. Hell, she NEEDED it. If not because she actually had a right to it at the point at which she began to demand it, but because that was the way her character was written. She was a charcter who NEEDED a certain kind of devotion, a certain kind of openness from the person she was even THINKING about being with. She NEEDED to know Clark's secret, even before the two of them dated. That was just who she was.

And Clark, for most of the early seasons, was too scared to tell her...he didn't really feel like he could trust her with his secret. Oh, not because he thought she'd blab, but because he thought she couldn't handle it. Which was perfectly fair, because with her experience with meteor freaks, there was reason to suspect she wouldn't be able to.

And so the Secrets and Lies kept them apart year after year. And neither got what they wanted from the other. Lana didn't get that kind of honesty and openness that she needed, and Clark didn't get the acceptance for all that he is that he both craved and needed as well. And so we were on a roller coaster with two people who were needing something from the other, not getting it, and so were fundamentally unhappy in their relationship. Because when you need something as much as Clark needed acceptance and Lana needed the "openness" in her relationship, neither person's really going to be truly happy while they're not getting it.

Incidentally, I don't think this was ALL Clark's fault. Do I think he should have told Lana YEARS before he did? Absolutely. No question. I prayed for him to tell her S3. S4 tops. But, at the same time, I could understand why he didn't.

Lana was, in some ways, a good character, but she wasn't a perfect one. Thankfully, as I hate characters who are written to be "perfect." She was, in many ways, flawed - even if other characters didn't openly admit to it. Watching her, she was a flawed character.

She was often judgmental and harsh towards even her closest friends when they didn't act as she expected them to or let her down in some way. Look at early seasons, and she does this a lot with Clark. She pushed him away even as she tried to get close to him. She also did it with Chloe.

In Hydro, when Chloe said that "the Lana Lang I know would give me a chance to find out" what was going on before jumping to conclusions, I thought that was one of the most ridiculous assertions I'd ever heard on this show. Because that's not the way that Lana was portrayed, certainly not in early seasons. Someone would try to tell her something, they would try to warn her, and because she didn't want to listen, she'd go on the attack instead. That was Lana. And, frankly, that's fine because that made her a more three dimensional character.

But it also made Clark's unwillingness (or at least uncertainty) to tell her the truth about himself make sense. Because she was written to be a character who could compeletly reject him if he didn't live up to what she wanted him to be.

That said, in early seasons, I didn't see a couple that really enjoyed each other or was happy to be together. I saw a couple that was GENERALLY quite miserable together, for one reason or another.

And then there was Lexana.

And then Lana found out about his secret...finally.

And then it was this season, and, yet again, I didn't see two people too happy to be together. Do I doubt that they love each other? No. And I've never said differently. But I never saw a relationship that you'd look at and say, "Yes. That's why they are destined to be together. Because they complete each other. Because one person wouldn't want to live their life without the other, because look at the way they are together. Look how happy they are together - not all the time, mind, but at least most of it."

I know Clana fans will disagree, and I'm not trying to bash the ship. I'm explaining why I never got behind it. Because, frankly, when I started watching Smallville, I really really WANTED to get it. I heard that Smallville was about Clark and Lana (I didn't see the show when it first came out; I caught it all on DVD) and I was excited about this relationship. The Smallville years. It sounded great.

But, to address a point you made to another person...


Of course the K-Site fandom is going to bash Lana Lang and everyone that is a Clana fan. People will put up with a lot of things but one thing they can’t handle is the idea that someone else is enjoying something they want.

Every single week the K-Site fandom has to watch Clark being romantically indifferent to Chloe and Lois while you can practically hear his heart throbbing when he looks at Lana Lang.

Of course it is going to drive them crazy, crushed, mean, angry, hostile etc.

I always find it kind of funny on the Clana forum when the Clana fans are whining about not enough Clana in the last episode. Do any Clana fans for a second stop and think about just how freaking lucky they are compared to the poor Chlark and Clois fans.

For the poor Chlark and Clois fans they have had to deal episode after episode of being emotionally battered by endless Clana moments of moony eyed glances, feather soft face touches, longing looks, heartfelt yearning, etc.

It is no surprise that the K-site Chlark and Clois fans are suffering from bitterness and lashing out at Lana and the Clana fans.

Denial is the only way the K-Site Chlark and Clois fans can hold onto their sanity after watching the Clana on Smallville week after week.

Being a Clana fan is a riding a surfboard to the beach compared with the horrors of the Chlark and Clois fandom so cut them a break.

And honestly I don't know if you're trying to insult Chlark fans and Clois fans by overly simplifying their motivations for not supporting Clana or if you're in some sort of genuine denial about it all. Are there some fans who could be boiled down to fit in this group? Absolutely. But things are rarely this simplistic.

First off, I have no reason to feel bitter about Smallville - or even Clana in it. As I've said on several occasions, I never expected Clark and Lois to get together on Smallville. Frankly, I really don't even want them to, because I think Clark has a LONG way to go. He needs to grow up a bit.

I was also not feeling Clana well before Lois came on board, so it wasn't like I was upset that "my girl" was getting shafted in favor of Clana. :lol:

You seem to feel that we're jealous about what's happening on Smallville. Don't you see that it's possible that some fans really WANTED to root for Clana? I sure as heck did when the series started. In the Pilot, I saw how Clark was with Lana and I wanted to root for those two people to work towards getting together. To be happy together. Of course, I knew it wouldn't end up in the end, but I really wanted to see a ship I could root for (because I never expected Lois to come on board, and I was perfectly fine with that). And for the duration of Smallville, I expected - I WANTED - that ship to be Clana when I watched the Pilot...he was just so endearingly hung up on her. I wanted to see a sort of "Wonder Years...Smallville Style" and Lana would be pretty good as Winny...what I remember of the Wonder Years. I was pretty young back then, but I remember my little 5 year old heart hoping that those two kids would make the relationship work.

The problem isn't that Lana's getting what I want Lois to have. The problem is that Lana and Clark have together a relationship that I don't want ANYONE to have. Not Chlark. Not Clois. Not Clana.

IMO, it's painful and destructive. It seems to bring nobody any happiness, least of all them. And it doesn't seem to be headed towards a happier place.

Over time, I may have come to not like Lana's character overly much, but I want her character to be happy in the end.

I may not like the way that Clark is written in Smallville, but I'd like him to be happy. I don't really see him as Superman at this point, so it would actually be even easier for me to accept an alternate ending than Clois. I've said on other boards I could accept a Chlark ending (and I am NO Chlark shipper), if they did it well. I could have accepted a Clana ending (I rather expected it from Day 1 actually)...if they'd done it the least bit well.

I want all the characters to be happy in the end, actually.

Yes, these two people have heartfelt touches and yearning looks. And if I was taking a superficial glance at this relationship, that would be enough for me. But it's just not. Because I just can't get past the amount of PAIN these characters have caused each other compared to the relatively small amount of JOY they feel when they're together. Superficially, they look happy together. But (not to say that either character is doing to each other), a lot of abusive relationships LOOK happy on the outside until you look closer at them. Which is why in my former line of work, I'd hear a lot of people say, "I never would have imagined he was beating the crap out of her every night and locking her in the garage like a dog. He was so sweet to her in public!"

For me to believe that these two people are meant to be together, I would need to see them actually HAPPY together. I would need to see that they give each other more moments of joy than pain. That neither intentionally hurts the other...or that this happens exceedingly rarely.

And, yes, they love each other, but there are many times that Lana HAS intentionally hurt Clark. Entire seasons, I think. And there have been many times that Clark HAS intentionally (or at least full knowingly) hurt Lana.

Don't simplify matters. It's insulting to other fans and it doesn't speak very well of you either, I dare say.

I give Lana fans the benefit of the doubt to imagine that they like Lana for reasons other than "she's pretty" and that they don't like Clois because "they know Clois ends up together." Or Chlark because "Clark and Chloe are close."

I give Chloe fans the benefit of the doubt to imagine that they like Chloe for reasons other than "she's been around for a while" and that they don't like Clois because "they know Clois ends up together." Or Clana because "Lana gets what they want Chloe to have."

My dislike of Lana - and Clana - has nothing to do with jealousy. For one thing, why should a Clois fan be jealous? :lol: And for another, if I was seriously watching Smallville because I expected and wanted to SEE Lois and Clark to get together over the course of the show...well, frankly, I never would have started watching Smallville. And, in all honesty, as Superman shows go, this will probably be relegated to the back burner of my mind and will be remembered, to me at least, as the worst Superman show on television - pretty much entirely for what they've done to Clark, which has nothing to do with ships at all. But I like my Clark to be smart, strong, and capable, and they've frequently made him none of the above.

You demean yourself by presenting a theory that Clois and Chlark fans don't like Clana because they're jealous. Just as it would be demeaning of Clois fans to suggest that others don't like Clois just because they know how the story ends and they're jealous that it's not with their girl - even in Smallville. Or it would be demeaning of Chlark fans to suggest that others don't like Chlark just because they know how close Chloe and Clark are (closer than Lana and Clark in some ways, you could even say) and THEY'RE just jealous.

Is that why YOU don't support Chlark or Clois? I imagine not.

So please don't insult your fellow KSiters by assuming that we're all more shallow than you. There are many, many reasons why I don't support Clana. But the biggest reason is because the ship itself has been presented in a way that makes it impossible for me to do so.


Is there anyone else out there in Smallville fandom that likes all the Smallville girls or am I all alone?

I expect there are those who would join you. I liked Lana in early seasons (they have just jerked her character around WAY too much for me to have stayed on that train), and I used to like Chloe quite a bit as well (though her character has also become victim to the writers in the last few seasons as well, IMO). So at this point, I don't like all three, but that's not to say that this has always been the case.

[clarkbunny]

It was most likely 'cos Kristin couldn't be there. But also 'cos if the writers had to write a conversation between Clark and Lana they wouldn't be able to find a suitable way to break them up. They needed a way in which Clark couldn't say anything in response to what Lana said hence video.

It seemed like the writers finally gave in to the Lana haterz by having Lana say she is leaving 'cos she is holding him back.

I think it was a horrible way to have them break up and OOC for Lana (yes I know she did the dear John on Whitney). But it just doesn't seem right that you come out of a waking coma and you don't want to see the love of your life face to face and don't care that they might want to see you. She saw all the pain and hurt that Clark suffered sitting at her bedside and she doesn't even break up with him to his face - poor writing, very poor.
I felt so bad for Clark, he did everything he could to get her back and now she's gone. Really not what I wanted to see, I wanted them to gradually realise they weren't meant to be and mutually agree to split up or at least Clark to split up with her. Now he's going to be left sad and pining :(

[MountainSniper]

Hi Jade,


.but because we know the end of the story. And, yes, it is understandably harder for me to get too hung up on a relationship that I know going in is doomed to fail - whether we see its downfall or not. I suppose it's possible that this has ALWAYS influenced my perception of Clana. I KNOW they don't end up together. I KNOW she's not the love of his life. I KNOW he moves on. So even going in, I knew it was going to end...although when I started watching Smallville, I put in the first disk to watch the Pilot with the hope (and expectation) that we wouldn't see the relationship's end.


Your perception might have been the same one held by the powers that be when they first conceived Smallville but then reality changed after they shot the scenes with KK + TW. The producers might have expected a nice couple seasons with Clark Kent nursing a crush on Lana Lang but when the actors chemistry turned up the heat the next thing you know canon went out the window.

The powers that be started writing a completely different mythos than the comics with Clark deeply in love with Lana rather than only seeing her as a platonic friend etc.

Then they did the worst thing possible to traditional Superman mythos and introduced Lois Lane into Smallville. This is a bad move because the famous scene where Clark first meets Lois when she barges into his interview with Perry White and falls in love with her on first sight is one the best scenes ever written in comics, movies and popular culture in general. It was copied over and over in the screwball comedies of the 30s and 40s etc. In fact Kathleen Hepburn played Lois Lane over and over in most of her movies.

So bringing Lois in to Smallville effectively killed the traditional canon. As long as she wasn’t in Smallville there was a chance you could believe that Clark would move on from Lana and later fall in love with Lois at first sight.

Now the powers that be have killed that and effectively they have made Lana Lang the love of Clark’s life and even torpedoed the other side of the traditional couple by making Oliver Queen the one that got away for Lois.

Hey if I would have been in change Erica would be playing Lois’s scatterbrained sister Lucy Lane on Smallville and occasionally mentioning her older sister Lois who is working her way up at the Daily Planet by not screwing her boss.

So what Smallville has done is produced a TV series where it is now not possible to believe that Clark Kent just light switches out of love with Lana Lang and forgets about it to suddenly fall in love with this girl called Lois Lane that he has been indifferent to for years.

The powers that be screwed up your little “it’s doomed to fail” dream at least in the Smallville universe.

But that is just me.



She was often judgmental and harsh towards even her closest friends when they didn't act as she expected them to or let her down in some way. Look at early seasons, and she does this a lot with Clark. She pushed him away even as she tried to get close to him. She also did it with Chloe.

In Hydro, when Chloe said that "the Lana Lang I know would give me a chance to find out" what was going on before jumping to conclusions, I thought that was one of the most ridiculous assertions I'd ever heard on this show. Because that's not the way that Lana was portrayed, certainly not in early seasons. Someone would try to tell her something, they would try to warn her, and because she didn't want to listen, she'd go on the attack instead.

I really don’t know what you are talking about or what incidents you are referring to???

How about some specific examples (episodes/scenes/dialogue) so I know what you are talking about?



Is that why YOU don't support Chlark or Clois? I imagine not.

No quite simply because Clark is written on the show as being in love with Lana Lang. If they wrote it more like the comics where he thinks of Lana as a friend and is in love with Chloe ie that is why he joins the Torch and wants to be a reporter etc I would have been fine with that. If Alison Mack had scored the Lana role or Chloe had been written as the love interest I would have been happy with that outcome.

I do find Kristin Kreuk the hottest babe in a trio of really hot babes but that is just due to her being my personal type; years in Asia will do that to a guy.

So in a nutshell I don’t support Clois or Chlark on Smallville because romantic Clois and Chlark is not being written on Smallville.


So please don't insult your fellow KSiters by assuming that we're all more shallow than you.

LOL Are you kidding? I am so shallow that when you scratch the surface you get more surface.

BTW regarding all your above writing regarding how Smallville isn’t important in your life etc. I think you protest too much.

All I know about the importance of Smallville in my life is I can’t believe sometimes just how obsessed I am about this fictional TV show. Even in the freaking Sandbox where if you want real life bloody drama its literally going on all around you and I still find my self still thinking about Smallville in between the **** hitting the fan.

I have no freaking idea why Smallville has elbowed its way into my real life but like any addict all I can say is I am addicted.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Minela]

It was easier for them to show Lois walk in and have Lois and Clark hug if they did a video break up. I seriously think the Clana break up was just a Clois set up. I'm not complaining, though. :D

[ginnyfan]

Because it's in character, Lana broke up with Whitney with a video... she was going to break up with Lex via a sticky note on their wedding day... no matter what you think of the girl her break up etiquette sucks...

LOL! That's right! I forgot about Lex.

[Jade4813]

Your perception might have been the same one held by the powers that be when they first conceived Smallville but then reality changed after they shot the scenes with KK + TW. The producers might have expected a nice couple seasons with Clark Kent nursing a crush on Lana Lang but when the actors chemistry turned up the heat the next thing you know canon went out the window.

The powers that be started writing a completely different mythos than the comics with Clark deeply in love with Lana rather than only seeing her as a platonic friend etc.

Then they did the worst thing possible to traditional Superman mythos and introduced Lois Lane into Smallville. This is a bad move because the famous scene where Clark first meets Lois when she barges into his interview with Perry White and falls in love with her on first sight is one the best scenes ever written in comics, movies and popular culture in general. It was copied over and over in the screwball comedies of the 30s and 40s etc. In fact Kathleen Hepburn played Lois Lane over and over in most of her movies.

So bringing Lois in to Smallville effectively killed the traditional canon. As long as she wasn’t in Smallville there was a chance you could believe that Clark would move on from Lana and later fall in love with Lois at first sight.

Now the powers that be have killed that and effectively they have made Lana Lang the love of Clark’s life and even torpedoed the other side of the traditional couple by making Oliver Queen the one that got away for Lois.

Hey if I would have been in change Erica would be playing Lois’s scatterbrained sister Lucy Lane on Smallville and occasionally mentioning her older sister Lois who is working her way up at the Daily Planet by not screwing her boss.

So what Smallville has done is produced a TV series where it is now not possible to believe that Clark Kent just light switches out of love with Lana Lang and forgets about it to suddenly fall in love with this girl called Lois Lane that he has been indifferent to for years.

The powers that be screwed up your little “it’s doomed to fail” dream at least in the Smallville universe.

But that is just me.

I have no doubt that they decided to drag Clana out longer than they'd intended. That said, I also think that they've shown us a relationship doomed to fail, for some reason or other. :lol: Even in S7, that message came through loud and clear. Otherwise, why not show them happy and smitten and deeply in love and passionate and fun and flirty and just all around the kind of relationship you'd want to be in? Clana deserved it after six years of angst. But that's not what they wrote.

If you think Clana could be happy together or is meant to be, that's fine. To each his own, I suppose. *shrugs* If Clana makes you happy, you should go with that, and I imagine you have your reasons for liking it.

But don't delude yourself into thinking that non-Clana fans don't ship Clana just because they're "jealous" of the way Clana's portrayed on Smallville. Because, frankly, not only would I not want Clois to be portrayed that way, I'd stop shipping them if they were. I would pray fervently for Lois to be given a merciful death, even. And if I was told I was "meant" to be in a relationship like that, I'd join a nunnery. :lol:


I really don’t know what you are talking about or what incidents you are referring to???

...You're kidding me, right? They're all over the place!

*sighs* Well, it's rather hard for me to whip out the old DVDs to try to find specific scenes, as I'm on vacation. And I'm one of those rare souls who don't memorize episodes and am generally spent thinking, "Which was was Rogue again?" Also, trust me when I say that I try to block Lana stuff out.

But in an effort to take five minutes of my life to give you at least a couple of examples, I went on a search for episode reviews - as, otherwise, I wouldn't know "Hug" from "Precipice" from "Redux." Actually, glancing at those three titles, I'll need to read the review to figure out which ones those were again. *laugh* One word titles...I'm doomed before I can begin.

Here's an interesting bit of the review which is slightly off topic except that it sort of is interesting in figuring out the entire tone for their relationship at first:


Lana was on a total "you won't tell me your secret" harangue throughout the episode:

"You can't expect me to share things with you, Clark, if you're not going to be open with me."

"It's just nice to meet someone who's so honest with their feelings, I don't have to guess what they're thinking."

"No, but if I had, you'd know already because I'd have been honest with you."

"If you really like someone, you accept every part of them, but you can't do that until they're willing to share every part with you."

As for the question about where Lana got the impression that Clark was keeping a big secret from her, the best I can figure is that it was in the season premiere where she swears Clark told her (inside the tornado) that she'd be all right. I ran that tape back and he said absolutely nothing to her in the tornado. So, it's almost like Lana is blaming Clark for a fantasy, delusion, or dream she had about that tornado.

If you want actual quotes or scenes, I'll have to rewatch early seasons of Smallville - which I won't even have on me until the end of the summer and then I won't have the time. So I'll just try to remember from the vague impressions I've not managed to block out.

It seems like she was awfully quick to attack Clark in "Nocturne" when he was warning her to be careful with Byron. Actually, she seems to do that a lot.

"Dichotic" - she went on the attack when Clark tried to warn her about...Multiple Man. Why was she so hostile towards him? Yeah, they had "secrets and lies" between them (*sigh*) but they'd hardly dated. But she was all kinds of, "You're just jealous you JERK WHO'S SAVED MY LIFE A MILLION TIMES! I'm never listening to you!"

You'll notice she does this A LOT.

How many times did she just decide that Clark was EVOL and so she just wasn't going to listen to him...even when he was warning her that LEX LUTHOR WAS BAD. Which, incidentally, she'd believed as well all of five episodes before but, in true Smallvillian style, had miraculously and suddenly forgotten.

How much vitriol did we hear from Lana towards Clark? When she was with Lex or any other guy? Yes, I understand that she's got issues, but just because she's not with Clark, she attacked him at every opportunity. Okay, so he's got secrets from you, Princess. I get that. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's a S***head who's lying to you because he can. And, you know, YOU thought Lex wasn't such a catch fifteen seconds ago, too.

There was "Hydro" as I mentioned before. Chloe's her best friend, and there's something in the paper that looks bad. But does Lana go to Chloe first and say, "Um...what the heck?" No, she goes to Ice Queen mode immediately...nice way to give her friend the benefit of the doubt. Because while most gossip columnists aren't known for turning into water, they also aren't known for having such ethics that they'd be above listening in on a conversation if they could. And what had Chloe done to that point to give Lana reason to believe that she'd do such a thing?

This also happens a lot.

There's the part where Jason gets fired from work, and Lana AUTOMATICALLY assumes it's Clark. Because he's EVOL again, one presumes. Which is fine, if Lana and Jason had always kept their romance on the DL, but there were a number of situations in which they were canoodling in school and someone could have seen them - even without them knowing it. Either way, she didn't even give Clark the chance to talk before she assumed he was the jerk who turned her in. Except...in the end...it WASN'T Clark, was it? I don't remember it even being Possessed!Clark! So not only COULD it have been someone else, it WAS, and yet she was so quick to turn on Clark. Did she have reason to suspect it was him? Of course; she knew he'd caught her. But she's also supposed to know and love him right? So why not a three-second benefit of the doubt?

In a sense, she even does this with the dead. She found out her mom had been unfaithful and now, although she'd been worshipping her mom practically, her entire vision of her mom had skewed. Never mind that, again, she found out later that circumstances hadn't been exactly as she'd thought they were. She was quick to assume her mom was just...a terrible person, we'll say. And no, her mom doesn't come out smelling like roses, but did Lana bother to ask first before she judged her mom? Okay, I'll let this one slide because it's always hard when a picture you have in your head gets tarnished. We'll move on.

In "Perry" Lana blamed Clark for Perry's actions. Okay, Perry was a jerk. And Lana's all like, "Since you brought him in here, you can suck it you traitor!" And, okay, one wishes Clark would have been like, "I've gotta stick around him because if I don't, something bad will happen." But, what, she doesn't even stop to consider that maybe Clark didn't know what Perry was going to ask? She just assumes Clark's like, "YES! Score! Burn the orphan girl!"

Ugh...I'm getting a headache induced by trying to recall Lana scenes.

It seems like there was something in "Hug" where she was quick to judge Clark and find him lacking again, but frankly, I've thought enough about b!tchy!Lana today.

There are other examples. Dozens, no doubt. And if someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of Smallville wants to pitch in, they should feel free. We could start a thread, but I don't think I've ever started a thread to bring up reasons why one hates a character, and I'm not about to start now. I'm sure there are even other examples with Chloe. But I've wasted enough time reading episode reviews; I have a Note to work on.


No quite simply because Clark is written on the show as being in love with Lana Lang. If they wrote it more like the comics where he thinks of Lana as a friend and is in love with Chloe ie that is why he joins the Torch and wants to be a reporter etc I would have been fine with that. If Alison Mack had scored the Lana role or Chloe had been written as the love interest I would have been happy with that outcome.

I do find Kristin Kreuk the hottest babe in a trio of really hot babes but that is just due to her being my personal type; years in Asia will do that to a guy.

So in a nutshell I don’t support Clois or Chlark on Smallville because romantic Clois and Chlark is not being written on Smallville.

And that's perfectly fine, but it still doesn't mean people who dislike Clana hate it because it HAS. I, for one, hate it for the WAY it has been written on Smallville.


BTW regarding all your above writing regarding how Smallville isn’t important in your life etc. I think you protest too much.

:lol: Well, go ahead if it makes you happy. I'm also not about to get myself all worked up because you have a misguided perception of me.


All I know about the importance of Smallville in my life is I can’t believe sometimes just how obsessed I am about this fictional TV show. Even in the freaking Sandbox where if you want real life bloody drama its literally going on all around you and I still find my self still thinking about Smallville in between the **** hitting the fan.

I have no freaking idea why Smallville has elbowed its way into my real life but like any addict all I can say is I am addicted.

Well, then I suppose I can see how it would be difficult for you to see how others aren't. It's always hard to see, if you ARE something, how there could be people who AREN'T. It's kinda like...well, for me, I write stories in my spare time and I've been told I'm not half bad. *shrugs* I don't think I'm Harper Lee by any stretch of the imagination, but since I do write, I have a hard time understanding how other people DON'T. I don't get people who say that they're bad at it or they can't do it, because it's not something that I find difficult.

I've always found the Superman legend to be compelling, and I remember adoring the old LnC series back when it was on. Now that I'm an adult, I see it as more flawed than I remember doing. But Smallville...*sighs* I wanted to see it for years before I had the chance. I didn't get that station, and I was brokenhearted that I didn't get to see it when it first aired. "Pre-Superman Clark Kent stories??? How could that be bad??"

I didn't get to see it before I moved in with a roomie in college who had them on DVD and then I started from the beginning and moved forward. (No spoilers for me at that point, thankyouverymuch.) I was excited to see it because a) I do love the Superman legend; b) I'm a geek who's into these types of shows; and c) I gotta admit, I heard there was some Clana going on and I'm a gal who likes me some romance in shows. (Still hung up on LoVe.)

I enjoyed the first few seasons for all but the latter, but they ruined Clana pretty early for me. They did some terrible things with Lana's character, and it was all the worse because I don't think they realized they'd done it. At least, they never let other characters do the same. I don't mind characters with flaws - I prefer it - but I like those flaws to be intentional and recognized.

But there's a lot I think they did wrong with Clana. I think the moment I threw it out the window was in...er...the episode with the memory whammy on Clark. He sees Lana and loves her as deeply as he ever did, at first sight. I think they FUBARED that because to me it made it seem like this was all their relationship ever was, as opposed to something that grew over time. *sighs*

In the end, Smallville was a series I WANTED to be...okay, not "obsessed" because, like I said, I just don't get quite that wrapped up in shows. But at least to the point where I could watch the series a few times and enjoy it each time I see it as much as the first. Where I was really hoping certain characters would get together. Where I felt attached to the characters enough to be sad when they were sad or cry when they died.

Smallville just hasn't been that way to me, really, overall. I wanted it to be, but it just didn't work out that way for me. I own the DVDs but I can't really stomach to watch most of the episodes any longer, so I'll probably give them away. I've not seen most of this season; I watched everything up to "Wrath" and then...I think I saw "Siren" and "Apocalypse"...and maybe a few minutes of...hmmm...Oh, "Descent" because I wanted to see Lionel's death. But I haven't watched most, and, frankly, I'm not too sad about that. Series like "Stargate" and "The West Wing" and "Veronica Mars" I have been like that, but Smallville just isn't on that list.

And that actually makes me vrey, very sad, because I so wanted it to be.

So I can understand how you'd have a hard time seeing how others can't love Smallville as much as you do, but I just can't. And, again, it's not a shipper reason (although I don't like the way they've written romance on this show). It's because they made Clark Kent a man I can't ever picture being Superman - a mopey thing who's happy to turn his back on the world as long as he gets everything he wants. A near-suicidal man, who can't think for himself and wouldn't save the day if someone didn't kick him in the rear to cause him to do so.

So, I'm not obsessed with Smallville. I'm not even terribly caught up in it. I get wrapped up in stories about Clark Kent/Superman, and I just don't see Smallville as portraying that man any longer.

YMMV, but not everyone sees Smallville the way you do, hon. Trust me, I wish I did. Because then I'd be able to enjoy it like I did in early seasons. Now...? I don't watch it, and I don't mourn that it's lacking in my life.

[KSiteTV]

Please STAY ON THE TOPIC and do not talk about other fans in this thread.

Re-read the forum rules. If I see more people talking about or psychoanalyzing other fans I will start handing out warnings and/or banning.

[berniepooh]

I think Kristin Kreuk didn't like the idea of Lana saying something to the effect of

"I just can't handle this any more. I love you, but it's too hard to deal with the complications that make you who you are. This experience,... what placed me in this hospital....this was so incredibly painful. I can't even describe it. I'm sorry but, I'm leaving. Please don't try to find me. Please don't try to change my mind. Good bye Clark."

I think Kristin used her popularity with the fans as leverage to get them to write the scene so Lana could make this HUGE sacrifice "I need you, but the world needs you more." Hense we got a sophomoric ending to the relationship. Sooooo melodramatic it's over the top for a comic book.

Shame on them.

[solarbattery24]

I really wouldn't even call it a Dear John route. It's not like Lana doesn't love Clark or doesn't wanna be with him. She realizes that at this point in her life, she wants Clark all to herself, but she knows that he's destined for more. To me, it took great courage for her, in character, to do this. She's felt that she's been holding Clark back to a degree. I believe that it was a push in the right direction. And yes, it hurts, but it was the right thing to do.

[redraven]

Your perception might have been the same one held by the powers that be when they first conceived Smallville but then reality changed after they shot the scenes with KK + TW. The producers might have expected a nice couple seasons with Clark Kent nursing a crush on Lana Lang but when the actors chemistry turned up the heat the next thing you know canon went out the window.

The powers that be started writing a completely different mythos than the comics with Clark deeply in love with Lana rather than only seeing her as a platonic friend etc.

Then they did the worst thing possible to traditional Superman mythos and introduced Lois Lane into Smallville. This is a bad move because the famous scene where Clark first meets Lois when she barges into his interview with Perry White and falls in love with her on first sight is one the best scenes ever written in comics, movies and popular culture in general. It was copied over and over in the screwball comedies of the 30s and 40s etc. In fact Kathleen Hepburn played Lois Lane over and over in most of her movies.

So bringing Lois in to Smallville effectively killed the traditional canon. As long as she wasn’t in Smallville there was a chance you could believe that Clark would move on from Lana and later fall in love with Lois at first sight.

Now the powers that be have killed that and effectively they have made Lana Lang the love of Clark’s life and even torpedoed the other side of the traditional couple by making Oliver Queen the one that got away for Lois.

Hey if I would have been in change Erica would be playing Lois’s scatterbrained sister Lucy Lane on Smallville and occasionally mentioning her older sister Lois who is working her way up at the Daily Planet by not screwing her boss.

So what Smallville has done is produced a TV series where it is now not possible to believe that Clark Kent just light switches out of love with Lana Lang and forgets about it to suddenly fall in love with this girl called Lois Lane that he has been indifferent to for years.

The powers that be screwed up your little “it’s doomed to fail” dream at least in the Smallville universe.

But that is just me.



Exactly how I feel. :)

[MountainSniper]

I think Kristin Kreuk didn't like the idea of Lana saying something to the effect of

"I just can't handle this any more. I love you, but it's too hard to deal with the complications that make you who you are. This experience,... what placed me in this hospital....this was so incredibly painful. I can't even describe it. I'm sorry but, I'm leaving. Please don't try to find me. Please don't try to change my mind. Good bye Clark."

I think Kristin used her popularity with the fans as leverage to get them to write the scene so Lana could make this HUGE sacrifice "I need you, but the world needs you more." Hense we got a sophomoric ending to the relationship. Sooooo melodramatic it's over the top for a comic book.

Shame on them.

Howdy berniepooh,

Wow that is a pretty detailed quote from Kristin Kreuk; so where did it come from?

Do you have a secret source that works on the inside that was in the room when Kristin Kreuk was (bulling by using her popularity) blackmailing the Smallville writers into caving into KK’s version of Lana’s video break up?

Did your source tell you if Kristin Kreuk was in the writers room or on the other side of the world shooting Street Fighter when she blackmailed the Smallville writers into this horror show of making the EVOL Lana Lang look like a self sacrificing martyr and the catalyst that transformed Clark Kent into Superman?

Or is the truth that your quotation is just the typical Kristin Kreuk bashing fantasy that is so common on the K-Site?
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Ok I guess I should clear up the suspense by coming clean.

It wasn’t Kristin Kreuk that forced the the Smallville writers to cave but instead the EVOL Mountain Sniper.

I confess popped a .338 Lapua Magnum carriage out of my AWM sniper rifle and then scratched “death from afar” into the brass and mailed it to the Smallville writers room along with a note of my “suggestions” for Lana’s break up video dialogue.

So it is only in your fantasy world that Kristin Kreuk is the EVOL one because as always in real life it is the EVOL Mountain Sniper that has the coal black Clana heart that is two sizes too small.

Wow it feels good to get that sin off my chest but there are still hundreds to go!

BTW Once again for the 500th day in a row it’s sunny in the Sandbox.

Cheers n beers, Mountain Sniper

[celita]

I believe that there's a Lana letter from the comic books that is exactly like that. So, it was only matter of time that tptb used it in Smallville, and a dvd is better for a tv show than a letter, so in my opinion that is the reason.

[berniepooh]

Wow that is a pretty detailed quote from Kristin Kreuk; so where did it come from?

Do you have a secret source that works on the inside that was in the room when Kristin Kreuk was (bulling by using her popularity) blackmailing the Smallville writers into caving into KK’s version of Lana’s video break up?

Did your source tell you if Kristin Kreuk was in the writers room or on the other side of the world shooting Street Fighter when she blackmailed the Smallville writers into this horror show of making the EVOL Lana Lang look like a self sacrificing martyr and the catalyst that transformed Clark Kent into Superman?

Or is the truth that your quotation is just the typical Kristin Kreuk bashing fantasy that is so common on the K-Site?

Cheers n beers, Mountain Sniper

NO! I was responding to the poll at the beginning of the thread which reads:
I have my own ideas so read about them below in my post.
You must not be familiar with my posts. If invited I'll go way out on a limb and make stuff up!! Which is exactly what this thread (poll) invited us to do. It does not specify you need proof, just that you have your own ideas and are willing to share them.
JOKES ON YOU, MountainSniper!

[Black Panda]

Because whenever Lana tells someone she doesn't want to be with them they try to kill her? The Dear John habit seems like a sensible one to me.

[berniepooh]

Because whenever Lana tells someone she doesn't want to be with them they try to kill her? The Dear John habit seems like a sensible one to me.

Lana's explanation was "I knew if I looked in your eyes I wouldn't have the strength to leave."
Obviously the "Dear John Video" is the act of a gutless wonder.

[Stratum99]

I think it was basically Lana not being there and time constraints. Face it if Lana and Clark had it out it would have taken that scene twice as long to end, which would take away time from everything else crammed into that hour...

[stenochick]

I think Kristin Kreuk didn't like the idea of Lana saying something to the effect of

"I just can't handle this any more. I love you, but it's too hard to deal with the complications that make you who you are. This experience,... what placed me in this hospital....this was so incredibly painful. I can't even describe it. I'm sorry but, I'm leaving. Please don't try to find me. Please don't try to change my mind. Good bye Clark."

I think Kristin used her popularity with the fans as leverage to get them to write the scene so Lana could make this HUGE sacrifice "I need you, but the world needs you more." Hense we got a sophomoric ending to the relationship. Sooooo melodramatic it's over the top for a comic book.

Shame on them.

I would have a lot more empathy for Lana is she said your first speech in her video instead of that vague "the world needs you more" speech.

But, worse than the content of the speech is the fact that there is no way she could have snapped out of her condition, been checked out, and given the resources to create a DVD all in the span of time it took for Clark to defeat Brainiac and get to the institution where Lana was.

Maybe she promised to pay that nurse a million dollars if she could borrow the hospital administrator's cutting edge computer to make her DVD and then lie for her when Clark arrived while Lana was hiding under the bed. :rolleyes:

My theory is that the writers get a picture in their heads, in this case, Clark looking at Lana's face in the video, crying, with Lois in the background. Then Lois running to Clark and consoling him while he breaks down in her arms.

The writers simply worked backwards from there, no matter how implausible it would be to get there. Also, they were faced with the dilemma that KK would be filming her scene in Thailand without any kind of Smallville set. They couldn't really show her doing much else than talking into a camera without any kind of set for her to be in.

It would have made the most sense to have had Lana write a letter and leave it on her bed, and then escape through her hopefully ground-floor window to avoid having to explain anything about her condition to the doctors. Then Clark reads the letter with KK voice-over.

But then, they would not have the scene they pictured with Lois because there is no way, with Lana mysteriously missing from her room, that Clark would have waited until he got home to read the letter. He would have read it right there in the hospital room and then the nurse would have been the one to hold him, not Lois.

Plus, how lame was it that he finds out Chloe is okay through a cell phone call while he is running to see Lana?

[dcmarriott]

Obviously they were forced to do the video breakup because KK was out of the country, but I think they would have had to do something similar even if she'd been available. They did the face-to-face breakup in EXile, Hynotic, etc. They had to do something different to show that this time, it's final.

I think it also gave them a chance to involve Lois. There have been a number of episodes this seasn in which the writers have included scenes to show the growing friendship between Clark and Lois. Even if you didn't know the mythos, it's obvious that that relationship is going to be the next important thing in Clark's life.

[RedKRules]

I didn´t see anything wrong with it ... so I voted #2 ......

[Aldo]

Why is it "Dear John"...?
I don't get this...

[berniepooh]

Why is it "Dear John"...?
I don't get this...

Historically; when men have gone off to war, or any way of serving their country, or God and King, their sweethearts have promised to wait for them. When the waiting became too much or they met someone else to fill their needs, they would notify the poor guy of their decision to break it off with a letter. During WWII a "Dear John letter" was the worst thing a soldier could get in mail call. I think the term predates WWII, but it definitely became part of the vernacular of the English language in that period of time.

Dear John, I love you, but not the way I used to......
What a bummer!!

[Humdinger]

The question was "Why do you think TPTB went the "Dear John" video route?

IMO, they're lazy and lacked a plan. KK didn't just decide overnight to take the part in Street Fighter - she didn't come to work one day and say, hey, I'm leaving for Thailand tomorrow, let's clean up Clana with a Dear John video. I personally believe TPTB got caught with their pants down. They approved her leaving the show early to do the film, and then the writers decided to take off on a tangent to end Clana. And of course, what's the perfect solution? A Dear John video (say it all together now). I can't think why they didn't have her send him an email or just left a voicemail on his cell phone! The video was lame and disappointing. And not final, IMO.

[Aldo]

Historically; when men have gone off to war, or any way of serving their country, or God and King, their sweethearts have promised to wait for them. When the waiting became too much or they met someone else to fill their needs, they would notify the poor guy of their decision to break it off with a letter. During WWII a "Dear John letter" was the worst thing a soldier could get in mail call. I think the term predates WWII, but it definitely became part of the vernacular of the English language in that period of time.

Dear John, I love you, but not the way I used to......
What a bummer!!

Wow, You certanly learn something new every day:rotfl:
Thank you very much:o

[Thrill_Seeker]

theres no real question, cos she said that the reason she did it that way, is cos she could have never done it if she looked at clark, She was afraid that if she had done it to him face-to-face she wouldnt have had the courage to do it. So she had to do it that way and she was too sad or guilty to have done it to him, so it was slightly selfish, but she was protecting herself which is valid enough

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wait a minute, trash what I said, i just read the question properly.
well i dont know why TPTB decided to do it that way, I think the biggest thing is that she wasnt available, Im very sure that her video was filmed at the end of veritas. She would have done it a while ago, so they wouldnt of had time to get her back, Im sure she'll be filming all the way until she has to return with S8

[petitemimi]

IMO, they did the video thing for 2 reasons:
1- They wanted Lana to appear somehow in the finale even if KK is in Thailand
2- They wanted to give us 2 soapy break-ups for the price of one, because obviously, they're going to meet again in the loft when she comes back to pack her things.

I just HOPE that TPTB will let Clark move on with his life and be happy after that. Poor guy. He and the viewers have suffered enough I think.

[Khyla]

... I think they could have put different words in her mouth and would have prevented a lot of "lana bashing" here.

I think if she had made the video to assure Clark that she was fully restored to her normal self and then explained the trauma that this experience had caused her, and then explained that because of this experience, she realizes that Clark has powerful enemies who will target her to control Clark. Then she would explain that this is a bad thing for each of them and the entire human race, given Clark's destiny. Then she would say that because of this, she is moving far away, changing her name, and starting over. Then she can come in with the "I will always love you more than you know." and then this is what needs to happen. You know it deep down. This is much bigger than the two of us. Clark cries. Lois doesn't hear anything that would divulge the secret. They embrace. END SCENE.
That is REALLY how I EXPECTED them to do that scene. :\



There were so many reasons Clark cried, you can't just narrow it down to "Clark's still in love with Lana." It just doesn't wash, at least not for me. I've already stated that Clark loves Lana, he just isn't IN love with her. Bizarro also revealed that Clark has been lying to himself about being in love with Lana because he was so worried about doing the right thing. And I believe Clark cried, because he does love Lana and will miss her even if he isn't in love with her anymore and, worse, Lana made him feel like the "bad guy" again in their relationship with her video parting. So very far from being able to do "the right thing", Clark was overwhelmed with guilt already over what one of his ememies had done to her and, things got so bad living with him, Lana couldn't wait to run away from him. She never even gave him a chance to apologize and make amends. Clark cried because he felt guilty and abandoned. ...
I have to agree with this.


... But over the course of the series - this last season in particular - it WAS made clear that he doesn't feel the same way about her that he used to.
...They also didn't make each other particularly happy over the course of the show. I could probably think of some episodes in which they were allowed to truly enjoy each other and each other's company, but it would be far easier (and a much longer list) to list episodes in which one or the other (or both) of them was perfectly miserable in their relationship.

First loves are hard to let go of. That's it, unfortunately. And I know a lot of first loves are convinced they're a) meant to be together and b) never going to find anyone they love more than this first love of theirs. I think the majority of people, however, would declare this not to be true.

completely agree.



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The video 'dear John' was just an efficient way to handle the break-up, there would be no one for ClarkMan to argue, beg, or plead with, just deal with the cold hard facts of Lana moving on....

I think this is exactly the reason, but I also believe as I previously voted, that "They believe a “Dear John” video is more dramatic than a face to face loft break up"


Lana is pretty much eye candy for the male fans. I have found her character (as written in Smallville) to be for the most part boring and sometimes annoying. If she had been written so that the whole male population of Smallville (and sometimes even female "Tina Greer") were not totally obsessed with her she may have been a more interesting and relatable character.

As for the "smoldering chemistry" between KK and TW, I just don't, and never have seen it. I have always found their scenes together blah and mostly boring. My husband liked Lana at first (eye candy), but soon he too got annoyed with her.

Clark's obsession with Lana was unhealthy. No matter who Lana was with (Whitney, Adam, Jason, or Lex) Clark's world still revolved around Lana. This was an insult to the character of Clark Kent.

As for the vidio breakup... [ ] I had both a sense of relief... they are finally breaking up... and disgust... again they make Lana into the innocent self sacrificing victim.

I have never been so annoyed with a fictional character as I have been with Smallville's Lana Lang.

Wow! my own thoughts mimic yours exactly!

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I just had a new thought pop into my head. ANYONE ELSE HEAR THAT BRAINIAC MIGHT BE COMING BACK?
We might find out that Brainiac left a part of himself embedded in Lana and thus why they decided to have her just up and out with the video tape.....

[berniepooh]

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Originally Posted by stenochick View Post
... I think they could have put different words in her mouth and would have prevented a lot of "lana bashing" here.

I think if she had made the video to assure Clark that she was fully restored to her normal self and then explained the trauma that this experience had caused her, and then explained that because of this experience, she realizes that Clark has powerful enemies who will target her to control Clark. Then she would explain that this is a bad thing for each of them and the entire human race, given Clark's destiny. Then she would say that because of this, she is moving far away, changing her name, and starting over. Then she can come in with the "I will always love you more than you know." and then this is what needs to happen. You know it deep down. This is much bigger than the two of us. Clark cries. Lois doesn't hear anything that would divulge the secret. They embrace. END SCENE.
That is REALLY how I EXPECTED them to do that scene.

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Originally Posted by 4CHLicks View Post
There were so many reasons Clark cried, you can't just narrow it down to "Clark's still in love with Lana." It just doesn't wash, at least not for me. I've already stated that Clark loves Lana, he just isn't IN love with her. Bizarro also revealed that Clark has been lying to himself about being in love with Lana because he was so worried about doing the right thing. And I believe Clark cried, because he does love Lana and will miss her even if he isn't in love with her anymore and, worse, Lana made him feel like the "bad guy" again in their relationship with her video parting. So very far from being able to do "the right thing", Clark was overwhelmed with guilt already over what one of his ememies had done to her and, things got so bad living with him, Lana couldn't wait to run away from him. She never even gave him a chance to apologize and make amends. Clark cried because he felt guilty and abandoned. ...
I have to agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Jade4813 View Post
... But over the course of the series - this last season in particular - it WAS made clear that he doesn't feel the same way about her that he used to.
...They also didn't make each other particularly happy over the course of the show. I could probably think of some episodes in which they were allowed to truly enjoy each other and each other's company, but it would be far easier (and a much longer list) to list episodes in which one or the other (or both) of them was perfectly miserable in their relationship.

First loves are hard to let go of. That's it, unfortunately. And I know a lot of first loves are convinced they're a) meant to be together and b) never going to find anyone they love more than this first love of theirs. I think the majority of people, however, would declare this not to be true.
completely agree.

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The video 'dear John' was just an efficient way to handle the break-up, there would be no one for ClarkMan to argue, beg, or plead with, just deal with the cold hard facts of Lana moving on....
I think this is exactly the reason, but I also believe as I previously voted, that "They believe a “Dear John” video is more dramatic than a face to face loft break up"

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Lana is pretty much eye candy for the male fans. I have found her character (as written in Smallville) to be for the most part boring and sometimes annoying. If she had been written so that the whole male population of Smallville (and sometimes even female "Tina Greer") were not totally obsessed with her she may have been a more interesting and relatable character.

As for the "smoldering chemistry" between KK and TW, I just don't, and never have seen it. I have always found their scenes together blah and mostly boring. My husband liked Lana at first (eye candy), but soon he too got annoyed with her.

Clark's obsession with Lana was unhealthy. No matter who Lana was with (Whitney, Adam, Jason, or Lex) Clark's world still revolved around Lana. This was an insult to the character of Clark Kent.

As for the vidio breakup... [ ] I had both a sense of relief... they are finally breaking up... and disgust... again they make Lana into the innocent self sacrificing victim.

I have never been so annoyed with a fictional character as I have been with Smallville's Lana Lang.
Wow! my own thoughts mimic yours exactly!
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I must agree. Anette O'Toole nailed the character of Lana Lang in the Superman III movie. She gave an almost perfect interpretation of the character. What they have done to the character in SV is truly SAD.

[the_kryptonian]

my honest opinion, because they just needed to take Lana off the show... ASAP.... could've been face-to-face, could've been via tv screen, could've been her death at Lex's hands... the point is that Lana outlived her plot purposes a season or two ago.

don't get me wrong, I do enjoy Lana (most of the time) and Kristen Kreuk's portrayl, I really do. this year Lana finally understood that Clark would never fulfill his real potential if he stayed with her, so she did the hardest thing possible which ultimately will prove the right thing. Clark will understand this...... since he has no choice because she cut him off his dosage of "Lana" cold-turkey.

but for most of my opinion: the on-going Clark/Lana relationship drama has made Smallville a soap opera with superpowers... at least since mid-season 6. (lol before ya'll hang me for treason, I still like and watch the show as much as you might). I get that Clark loves her very much, they made this clear years ago. but I would rather have seen Clark make it to the "understanding" I've mentioned on his own... see that in life there are missed chances and sometimes must move on and do better, period. times when it is simply over, to have some dignity and push on.

the best chance for TPTB to see this happen would have been episode "Labyrinth". ya'll might agree with me that this episode was all about Clark keeping a firm grip on his very identity, yes?
looking beyond the goings-on it was about Clark needing to remember who he was. this is a very important concept for any person, else have no sense of who you are at all. Clark from seasons 1 through 6 (at that point) had always factored his desire for love with Lana into who he was; by which I mean that he placed her above himself a heck of a lot. she was a major part of his world. and without her by his side or desiring him, embracing the man who betrayed him again and again, he was lost in his grief, a time which makes one ask about their own identity. "who am I?" "what do I want?" "what do I do now?" "what will I allow to influence my decisions?"
and during the episode we clearly see that Clark was willing to surrender everything he knew or believed himself to be because it meant happiness with Lana. he completely caves, gives up, surrenders, feel free to add a phrase... it is not until he sees Lana fade away before his eyes that he realizes that everything he knew of himself was true, hence "I know who I am!!" and only then, only after the illusion fades before him, does Clark anty up any courage and fight back to protect who he is. and by the end, we are back at square 1 with infor we've known for the past 5 1/2 years; Clark loves Lana so much that he will never stop thinking about her. yes Clark sees that he still has feelings for her, but does he learn from this and maybe grow from the consequence of nearly losing everything for Lana? noooooo....

excuse me while I declare this a lame move... they had a chance to make Clark a stronger character and they decided to further the soap opera aspect. Miles, Alfred, I love you for your Smallville endeavor, but c'mon...
what would have been a more interesting development, then? try this out: perhaps Martian Manhunter was wrong and the phantom wasn't disguised as the doctor. Clark has had little qualms in fighting faceless villains before, what's a demon doctor to him? sure, he'll strangle him to save himself, no risk there... but how about this; if you were a phantom trying to inhabit the body of Clark Kent, and you could read him like a book and work your magic convincing him his identity is a lie via personal things only he and loved ones knew, what would be your safest disguise possible? someone that Clark would never hurt in any way...

if you guessed Lana Lang, you win a cookie. cheers to you. :) it is the perfect hiding place for that phantom, and Clark would have to work it out in his brain, after deciding that he surely knew who he was (without visual evidence, which is cheating), that the phantom was in fact Lana. and presto!! we now have Clark come through the perilous mind-journey with his identity strong (not clinging to a Lana-obsession) and that he is actually using his brain instead of Chloe or someone else's advice... he is growing into someone who can take care of himself. he'd still care about what happens to Lana, but he'd realize that she made her bed when she chose Lex and that he himself had pushed her away and actions have consequences, as Jonathan Kent would have told him.

that's just my take. it's not perfect, nor "the way it has to be". and as I've said, I over-all enjoy the shows and do like Kristen Kreuk/Lana Lang. and maybe this road we're on now with the show as of episode "Arctic", Lana's realization of what's what and her departure, will prove effective and Clark will do what he has to do.

[berniepooh]

WHOE!! Yes, I did guess Lana, but Kudos to you "the _kryptonian"!

What a concept for dramatic action and dramatic conflict in an epi! That would have been an "on the edge of your seat" THE ENTIRE TIME episode.

Again, my compliments.

[JNottle]

I think it was also a good way for Lois to see him cry first hand to kind of try to bring them closer, it would also give Lois a slight reason why he might be missing for three months, Lana used a 'Dear John' route with Whitney aswell. I think if Lana comes back and Clark is not their, and Lois is, it would be intresting.

And the main reason they did it was because of the Street Fighter movie.

[ginnyfan]

Wow the_Kryptonian! Your "Labyrinth" scenario would be chilling. I don't know how I feel about it. But I agree with berniepooh it would certainly have had me on the edge of my seat. Wow.

Even as the episode was written there was sort of a Phantom (Lana) vs. MM (Chloe) thing going on. I definitely think that the Phantom used Lana against Clark to keep him complacent and that it's possible MM countered that by using Chloe to create doubt and discord in the world the Phantom created.