The Fall Of The Fortress Of Solitude: Discussion

[LastSonKalEl]

I think they will probably cop out and say that by destorying the Fortress Lex will effectively Control Clark and stop his destiny because he won't be able to finish his training that is just the lame ass solution they always pull off in the first episode

[BIGBLUE10789]

The fortress cannot be destroyed. I was shocked when it happened. Was that into water or snow?

[I_am_LEX]

I can't really figure out how it would control him either but then I thought... there are different types of control. Taking his fortress away would be consided a type of control. I think that people were looking for actual control, like make you do what i say, type of control.

[madcatlady]

The fortress was "dead" at the end of Season 6 premiere, too. It's as dead as Lana at the end of Season 6.

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah....and this is a control factor bc it takes away his future and the knowledge he has yet to learn...it won't be completely destroyed..there will be one crystal that survived that he will rebuild it with i'm sure

[wallyK]

There is no real reason that the FOS had to be destroyed other than the writers wanted to do it. They could make the orb device work any way they wanted. Well, it now seems that Jor-El is gone. . . Or not. The show can pull a rabbit out of the hat and make another FOS next season if they feel like it.

[LastSonKalEl]

that is my point..they wouldn't destroy it or break it down if it wasn't relative to the "control clark" plot.....he will build eventually probably in next season's finale when he embraces his destiny and flies out in the supersuit

[Kal EL2380]

De-constructing the fortress keeps Jor-el from helping Clark. I bet that orb is still there. Maybe this is also an excuse to move the fortress.

[colonyofcells]

Fall of Fortress = control of Clark bec. after having thousands of tons of crystal fall on top of Clark's head, Clark is now brain damaged and is now following the command of anyone within hearing range.

[HowardFilms]

In "Brainiac Attacks" the fortress left behind a piece to rebuild itself when Superman had to destroy it. In Superman II, the seed crystal reappeared when the FOS and Superman's powers "died".

It will return.

[svsabbiesv]

wow this is amazing...I can't even imagine what the season premiere gonna come up with..I'm speechless

[quellman]

...... i was like ok that's it??? i mean of all the other season ending cliffhangers, ive never once said that's it... maybe i wanted a little more

[wildenchantress_kt]

I just can't believe that they destroyed the fortress. How is Clark going to get it back considering it is an important part of the mythos?

[MackLove]

Clearly Clark gets his powers from the fortress. Don't you know anything about Superman? He traveled from the red sun of Krypton to white ice of the actic...

[shawn316]

I agree with others in that there's more than likely going to be a fragment left behind so that Clark can rebuild it next season. Very similar to in the first Superman movie, when young Clark trek's off the the arctic, carrying that green crystal. Very possible, in the series finale.

Basically, my whole view on why they(writers) destroyed to FOS, was so they can "rewind" the series back to the end of season 4. This time when Clark gets to the Fortress, there won't be any screwing around for 3 seasons, and fans will get what they were expecting in season 5.

[drkmcc]

I'll say what I said in another post...
"It really appeared that instead of blowing up, the FOS sunk back into itself. This leads me to believe that the FOS is only around when Clark is able to use it. Ie. because clark can't consult Jor El or get further training while he is being controlled (which I can only assume will happen in the premiere), the fortress need not be there but will reform upon Clark somehow breaking the control (more likely Kara or Chloe)."

[defga]

I have no idea what it did besides desconstruct the fortress, but it might like allow Lex to enter Clark's mind. That would allow Lex to control him and MR would not techinically have to return for next season to do it. I personally think that having the fortress deconstruct being the "control" over Clark is kind of lame. Hopefully whatever it is, the loss of the fortress is just the start

[LexLuv180]

It did break in pieces, but maybe it is just sinking because of the control issue. BUT this would only work now if Lex was around for next season, so no one knows still how they will explain it. :(

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The fortress cannot be destroyed. I was shocked when it happened. Was that into water or snow?

Snow

Clark is also supposed to be almost impossible to hurt, in Smallville he seems to easy to defeat.

Powers are supposed to be a part of him but they seem lost and swapped out repeatably.

The fortress is supposed to be ultra powerful but it's been destroyed twice now.

The....well, sigh.

[skully]

Could it have been Jor-El protecting the Fortress (and Clark) by retracting it back into the snows and ice of the Arctic? I'm betting we haven't seen the end of the FoS.

[Cromartiefan]

Perhaps Swann mistranslated? Instead of "Control the Traveller", it should have been "Make the Traveller controllable" - by stripping Clark of his powers and therefore making him able to be "controlled" by humans.

I'm a little annoyed at all these "perfect translations" we see in sci-fi - we can't even get perfect translations of languages that have the same linguistic root language, why would we be able to get perfect translations of an alien language?

[gameface25]

Im trying to think (because I was UTTERLY disappointed in the finale) that by destroying the FOS, the writers are going to have Clark become more and more lost without it as next season goes along. He hasn't been using the FOS pretty much at all in the past 2 seasons. This will show him just how impt to him it is.

At around the mid season cliffhanger point, Clark will raise it back up somehow, and from then on know how valuable the FOS is and train.

[Timester]

I LOVE the fact that the FoS is gone for now.

- One, no more training crap, Clark already masters all his powers but flying. The training only made sense on the movie.

- Two, no more bastard Jor-El for a while. I don't care about the problems of a dead planet anymore, time to focus on Earth instead.

- Three, time to focus on Earth. Clark has to stop being the pool guy of Krypton, cleaning all the crap that the Kryptonians made, and focus on his adopted planet problems.


Sure, the FoS will be back someday, in a far far future from Smallville.

[baltazor]

I agree too on that. The fall of the fortress is the only thing i actually liked about this episode. I wonder what they will do to bring it back.

[wallyK]

They might be using all this so Clark will decide that he wants to create his own destiny, that he doesn't want to be controlled by anyone, not Lex and not Jor-El. It's a fantasy show, so they can bring the FOS back anytime they want.

[All about Clark]

I really thought that saving Clark meant bringing down the fortress. The orb was using power from the fortress and it didn't seem like Jor-el had any other method of saving his son.

[shawn316]

Perhaps Swann mistranslated? Instead of "Control the Traveller", it should have been "Make the Traveller controllable" - by stripping Clark of his powers and therefore making him able to be "controlled" by humans.

I'm a little annoyed at all these "perfect translations" we see in sci-fi - we can't even get perfect translations of languages that have the same linguistic root language, why would we be able to get perfect translations of an alien language?

Totally agree. Everyone was expecting Clark to become Lex's puppet, but Jor-El is smarter than that. So to go with your idea, what better way to "control" the Traveler than to strip him of his powers, rendering him a none threat. Also, with Clark's powers removed and the possibility of him going bad, the Fortress would not be useful, therefore would deconstruct itself.

I said it earlier, and I'll say it again; this whole plot development was basically to allow the writers to get Clark back on a time line similar to that of the end of season 4. I think they now realize that they introduced the FOS way too early, therefore this is their way to have Clark rediscover it. This time when Clark build the FOS, the show will be close to the end, therefore we won't get 3 seasons of filler before he decides to follow his destiny. It was as if they(writers) simply hit the rewind button, allowing them to get it right this time around.

[reobeem]

That is most likely true. I would find it funny if Jor-El just decided screw both of them and brought the Fortress down just to get rid of them, I wouldn't put it past him.

[Flux capacitor]

I was just thinking "Where the heck is the security in the FOS?!" Then I thought maybe that was a security feature. Maybe Jor-el not only sent the device, but made it so that if it went into the wrong hands (according to the Jor-el AI) then the FOS would self-destruct, destroy the orb and save Clark. Just a thought.
But man, I too was disappointed in this one. I feel like Apocalypse would've been a better season finale, only end it where he has to go to Krypton.
Oh and it would've been funny if Clark decided to use the time travel portal in the Fortress to go back say twenty minutes and kick Lex's butt before he got in the Fortress. Ha!

[Vergon6]

I was just thinking "Where the heck is the security in the FOS?!" Then I thought maybe that was a security feature. Maybe Jor-el not only sent the device, but made it so that if it went into the wrong hands (according to the Jor-el AI) then the FOS would self-destruct, destroy the orb and save Clark. Just a thought.
But man, I too was disappointed in this one. I feel like Apocalypse would've been a better season finale, only end it where he has to go to Krypton.
Oh and it would've been funny if Clark decided to use the time travel portal in the Fortress to go back say twenty minutes and kick Lex's butt before he got in the Fortress. Ha!
I agree. As if the Jor-El AI wouldn't know it was Lex Luthor and that his son had not turned evil ;)

[All about Clark]

Well from the perspective that Clark would be healed by the sun should the fortress collapse on him and injure him, I don't think Jor-el felt Clark's life was at risk without the fortress. I think Jor-el chose Clark's life being his over Jor-el's AI staying around to guide Clark.

I think the bigger question is how will Clark bring the fortress back? He can't find more stones unless one stone stays buried where it crumpled. And does Clark want the fortress back?

[All about Clark]

I think Jor-el destroyed the fortress to prevent the orb from using the power of the fortress to control Clark. I don't think he will lose his powers or be controlled by Lex.

[deacgiv]

I think it will be just like in superman 2 when superman lost his powers and he returned to the fortress and there was the crystal glowing on the ground

[smallvillefreak24]

Definitely needs to make sense by s8 esp. w/ lex's leaving - if they crap it out smallville truly is in trouble... it could be cool if done right

[Yoshua]

Clarks powers don't come from the fortress, his knowledge does. His powers come from the yellow sun.

[SnowBird]

I don't think the writers destroyed the fortress just to bring it back. I think it is gone for the Smallville series. There are other plans for Clark to build towards his destiny. I don't know the history of Superman in the comics but it seems from reading different posts that Smallville doesn't follow but is creative in their thinking of Clark becoming Superman. Just my theory and I could be all wrong...LOL

[last man of krypton]

That is most likely true. I would find it funny if Jor-El just decided screw both of them and brought the Fortress down just to get rid of them, I wouldn't put it past him.

That wouldn't surprise me. Jor-El would probably think, "I'm sick of this stupid kid. I'll try adopting Jimmy."

[qprno1fan]

Lex is left brain damaged after the rumble from the fortress falls on him, and is in coma for five years. THis could explain everything perfectly, he comes out of his coma a complete mad man and doesn't remember Clark,his father or anyone in Smallville. Meanwhile Clark survives the rumble, but the Orb explodes afterwards stripping him of his powers. The fortress is gone. Clark gets them both back at the end of the premiere when he finds another fortress seed in his barn(A back plan from Jor Ell) ala Superman 1.

[MozartRequiem]

Great way to tidy things up, but I'd personally hate if they went this route with Lex (no offense to your idea or anything intended). :) Him forgetting Clark due to a memory wipe? I can see that. I don't like it, but it makes sense.

Him forgetting Lionel and everything in Smallville? I'd loathe that part, because it's those experiences and memories that have made him the twisted supervillain we all know and love to hate. To give us seven years of exquisite character development (his character progressed the most out of any in the entire show, IMO), and then just throw it down the drain like that would really piss me off.

Fortress seed? Interesting. Hadn't thought of that angle. Pretty cool idea there, and nice homage.

[One-Winged-Angel]

OR! Keep an open mind now, a magical fairy erases only the memory Lex has of Clark and also erases clarks memory of Lois Lane. And the fairy fills out clarks application for a job at the daily planet. And in the mean time lex is fired as boss at the planet, and they have a new boss (that clark is ok with) After this chloe gets her job back, Lana returns back to her horses and also to bug clark for an entire 8th season. Finally the fairy hires some good writers for the series!

Ok, that last one was to sci-fi.

[trekker325]

I think that the whole purple crystal will end up being a sort of "fail-safe" for Clark, installed by Jor-El. It will probably revert everyone's memory to pre-Fortress. So, that means that Lex & Lana (fingers-crossed) will have their memories wiped of Clark's true identity. I don't see how else they can make this work. This season has turned out to be one of the more disappointing ones for Smallville. But, that doesn't mean that I won't be watching in September...:)

[colonyofcells]

The dumb Lex and dumb Clark both die from the collapsed Fortress. Jor-El goes back to the drawing board and creates new clones who are smarter and sends them home.

[megawombat]

The FOS collapsed because the "control device" that Lex now has is used to summons the Phantom Zone thingy and it needs to swoop up Clark when it arrives, and it can only do that if the FOS isn't there.. which is also why we saw the Phantom Zone thingy coming out of that galaxy towards Earth (with Kara trapped) since Lex summoned it with the controlling device. Seems that Clark and Kara will both be in the zone in the premiere. Just my two cents worth. Discuss... :)

[dunkman]

I think it will be just like in superman 2 when superman lost his powers and he returned to the fortress and there was the crystal glowing on the ground

I think you're on to something here. There have always been links to the Superman movies on Smallville. When Clark lost his powers on Superman 2, Jor-El told him that was "it", but really he had saved Clark's powers on a green back-up crystal. Jor-El had something to do with saving his son this time, too, & we'll have to wait until September or October to find out what!

[Blue screen of death]

i dunno, i watched it the first time, and again a second time. I really think the fortress was "blowed up" there is or was nothing that i saw that would indicate something "else" was happening. it'll be interesting come september

[susangail]

Interesting idea, but if Clark had really gone bad, how would the PZ confine him as a member of the house of El? He'd just pop right on out again. The other question is whether the PTB want to release Kara right away.

[shadoo]

Interesting idea, but if Clark had really gone bad, how would the PZ confine him as a member of the house of El? He'd just pop right on out again. The other question is whether the PTB want to release Kara right away.

This is all a bit screwy but here goes, lets say Kara was taken and sent to the ole pz by brainy, well that would mean that the person who returned wasn't her but brainy, but this then rises another question, why was she drinking milk then hold her head falling to the ground in noticeable pain?

Well maybe Kara did kill Brainy on krypton but simply killed a clone who had already slipped her a mickey(the original black metallic brainy) which she safely carried and once on earth, he boxed her fine buttocks into the pz.


Well then why leave her in limboish glass box form. That's easy enough, he knew Kal-el escaped thus there would have to be an exit for EL family members and he would want her to be in that limboish state forever, but when Clark aced brainy, Kara's glass box was scene which indicated to us that she was now to be deposited into the phantom zone.

Lex didn't want to control Clark but send him and his alien fortress as far away as possible. Alexander not knowing 'far away as possible' to a stoic Jor-El means PZ so he unwittingly transfers the entire fortress to the Phantom Zone. Clark emerges from the rubble with a crystal of a sort or perhaps the purple ball thingy, finds Kara and both he and her make their exit to earth, but not before unwittingly releasing Doomsday, Jor-el's answer to an unknown enemy who may have worked with Zod in the past for the destruction of Krypton. But this creature an advanced cybernetic entity, a resistor against brainiac became far too troubling and had to be 'boxed'.

Some time later Lex emerge from the Fortress ruins, having died, but isn't since, no one dies in the zone forever, and is instantly assimilated by Zod. Who goes through the ruins of the fortress and finds the black crystal that was left their from Season 5's Solitude.

[attitudejc]

This is all a bit screwy but here goes, lets say Kara was taken and sent to the ole pz by brainy, well that would mean that the person who returned wasn't her but brainy, but this then rises another question, why was she drinking milk then hold her head falling to the ground in noticeable pain?

Well maybe Kara did kill Brainy on krypton but simply killed a clone who had already slipped her a mickey(the original black metallic brainy) which she safely carried and once on earth, he boxed her fine buttocks into the pz.


Well then why leave her in limboish glass box form. That's easy enough, he knew Kal-el escaped thus there would have to be an exit for EL family members and he would want her to be in that limboish state forever, but when Clark aced brainy, Kara's glass box was scene which indicated to us that she was now to be deposited into the phantom zone.

Lex didn't want to control Clark but send him and his alien fortress as far away as possible. Alexander not knowing 'far away as possible' to a stoic Jor-El means PZ so he unwittingly transfers the entire fortress to the Phantom Zone. Clark emerges from the rubble with a crystal of a sort or perhaps the purple ball thingy, finds Kara and both he and her make their exit to earth, but not before unwittingly releasing Doomsday, Jor-el's answer to an unknown enemy who may have worked with Zod in the past for the destruction of Krypton. But this creature an advanced cybernetic entity, a resistor against brainiac became far too troubling and had to be 'boxed'.

Some time later Lex emerge from the Fortress ruins, having died, but isn't since, no one dies in the zone forever, and is instantly assimilated by Zod. Who goes through the ruins of the fortress and finds the black crystal that was left their from Season 5's Solitude.

please be a writer. that scenario actually wouldn't be so bad. lots of continuity and it would at least all make sense.

[shadoo]

please be a writer. that scenario actually wouldn't be so bad. lots of continuity and it would at least all make sense.



O how I wish. I'm hoping the folks involved fix the many plot holes they left by the end of season 8, though it all seems to be doubtful.

[Nalin]

I dont think the device was actually meant to take control of clark. Why would Jor-El allow the humans to possably use clark as a weapon to destroy each other? Rather I think the device took away his powers and his fortress. Then the humans would be able to control him and throw him in jail or whatever. Lex is gonna find that his new "weapon" is now useless and wont even be able to prove that clark is an alien anymore.

[colonyofcells]

The Fortress collapsed bec. of structural defects. Jor-El was never a good architect and was never a good civil engineer.

[baltazor]

Well that was the only actual cliff of the finale. That is what will get resolved in next year's opener.. We will have to wait and see.

[Darren5000]

For some reason, the actress playing Kara Laura Vandevoot (sorry of the bad spell) has not penned a full deal...yet she was credited/appeared in at least 13 Smallville eps, so 'Kara' may be in the PZ for a very long time. And then Lane aired a goodbye to clark so it looks like Lana, Kara, Lionel Luthor have all been axed, and not sure on returns for the girls or how many.

[black_spidey728]

I think that Jor-El did bring down the fortress. I think the controlling of Kal-El and the collapse of the FOS were 2 seperate events.

I honestly think that Jor-El sent the device in case Kal-El turned out to be truly evil but the guy he turned out to be, he didn't need to be controlled. When he found out that evil SOB Lex was gonna control him, he did the only thing he could do...bring down the FOS.

[bizzaroboy9]

I can't wait to find soon!

[megawombat]

The FOS collapsed because the "control device" that Lex now has is used to summons the Phantom Zone thingy and it needs to swoop up Clark when it arrives, and it can only do that if the FOS isn't there.. which is also why we saw the Phantom Zone thingy coming out of that galaxy towards Earth (with Kara trapped) since Lex summoned it with the controlling device. Seems that Clark and Kara will both be in the zone in the premiere. Just my two cents worth. Discuss... :)

This is true, however there has also been speculation that the escape route is destroyed once it has been used, as it has already by Clark. Also, the control device may render the escape route impossible - it is a "controlling device" after all. There is no doubt that the device weakened Clark; we can see that from the episode when Lex places the device on the crystal control panel - I wonder if Brainiac told him (Lex) where to put the device - it was a good guess otherwise?

But hey, I could be wrong - only season 8 will tell us how the device controls Clark, and of course what happened to Lex. Lex will definitely reappear in the premiere with pre-recorded material.

[Zacho]

Jor-El probably did bring down the FOS to save Clark seeing as the writers will need an explanation of where Lex is next season and why Clark isn't under his control.

[Hopefulsuicide]

none of it makes sense... why would he create a device to control clark if all it did was bring down the fortress

but then why would he bring down the fortress, when it is the only thing keeping his 'ghost' or whatever going

and if somehow it wasn't jor-el who created the device and it was all a lie, who knew about the fortress and wanted it destroyed? was it all braniac? that'd be kinda lame...

[Hopefulsuicide]

The FOS collapsed because the "control device" that Lex now has is used to summons the Phantom Zone thingy and it needs to swoop up Clark when it arrives, and it can only do that if the FOS isn't there.. which is also why we saw the Phantom Zone thingy coming out of that galaxy towards Earth (with Kara trapped) since Lex summoned it with the controlling device. Seems that Clark and Kara will both be in the zone in the premiere. Just my two cents worth. Discuss... :)

not bad actually... though i dont see why the fos has to not be there... but i like the idea of clark being in the fos too and them helping each other to get out

[LexLuv180]

I hope they don't go that route, I would seriously hate that. :(

[colonyofcells]

The reason why Lex is not seen in season 8 could be bec. Lex is busy digging in the arctic looking for the crystal apple. It is possible the crystal apple survived the destruction of the Fortress and the one ring is just waiting to be found.

[megawombat]

not bad actually... though i dont see why the fos has to not be there... but i like the idea of clark being in the fos too and them helping each other to get out

If you look back to the original Superman I movie, Zod and his cohorts are scooped up by the phantom zone thingy and, if you remember, the area in which they are standing opens to leave them standing (in a totally flat area) ready to be scooped up. For me, this seemed a similar parallel to the FOS collapse. The PZ thingy is glass/crystal - it does not seem to be able to pass through solid objects, although I guess this would be a simple thing to achieve with some CGI ;)

[JNottle]

Interesting idea, but if Clark had really gone bad, how would the PZ confine him as a member of the house of El? He'd just pop right on out again. The other question is whether the PTB want to release Kara right away.

Clark only knew about the backdoor because Raya was their and didn't she say Jorel only told her, so this theory is plausable.

And if Clark does go back their, he will here about Kara somehow, look for her, then goto the panel, and then afterwards he will tell Kara about Raya.

[stenochick]

And if Clark does go back their, he will here about Kara somehow, look for her, then goto the panel, and then afterwards he will tell Kara about Raya.

You'd think that Clark would have told Kara everything that he has experienced with the second meteor shower, the black ship, Brainiac, Zod, the Phantom Zone, Raya, the Justice League, Lionel and Lex secret projects, all colors of kryptonite, Belle Reeve, meteor freaks, etc. just in their private conversations.

That information would have helped her make a more informed decision about leaving the planet with Brainiac and with trying to "kill" something that can make copies of itself, morph into other people, and regenerate itself. Plus, if she saw that metal bracelet thingy coming at her, she would have known to get away from it or else end up in the phantom zone.

I mean, what do these two talk about when they are together? Lana and farm chores?

If I were them, I would be dying to know everything about their lives: Kara's life on Krypton and Clark's life on earth. Wouldn't any of us?

The more I watch, the more I think they are purposely portraying Clark as mentally impaired. It's beyond "BDA" at this point. The boy's brain is not working the way it is supposed to and it is putting his loved ones in harm's way.

Or else, it is just bad writing.

I can forgive every flight of fancy, every convoluted plot device, every unresolved plot hole, every deus ex-machina (aka Chloe and Jor-el), if the writers would just preserve the integrity of Clark Kent.

Thank you all for reading my rant. I feel much better now.

p.s. I am very impressed with everyone's ideas on this thread. I hope the writers are reading these posts to get some great inspiration for Season 8. :)

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think the fortress collapsed because the device jor-el sent to earth to control the traveler was activated. Therefore there is no more need for a fortress of solitude and all trace of alien technology should be destroyed and buried and hidden. :(

[jimmyolsenblues]

my vote is lex is missing and clark will never find him but maybe some evidence he is a live in the series final of season 8.

[Kyogre]

Clark is an idiot.

[Charissa70]

Like colonyofcells said, Jorel can't build crap. Never had to do manual labor. It was made like 'pickupsticks' and all that was needed was a little shove of the orb into it's place. Pushed one of those sticks and started a chain reaction What is the fos made of? Ice? Something that looks like Ice? If so, shouldn't it kill Lex when it collapsed.

[finalbahamut]

.. bcoz it reacted with the purple kryptonite or aka the jewel kryptonite.

[kszonew]

I don't want to see amnesia or brain damage to make things fit better into the movies or comics. I can understand why people want that, but for me, I don't mind some departures. Smallville was ment to be a different take on setting up the Superman story. They might as well continue in that direction, while paying some homages here and there.

The main story in the future will still be the same: Lex vs. Superman/Clark, Clark and Lois together, Jimmy and them work at the Planet. But the journey there can take some different twists and turns and not need amnesia or brain damage so they are forgotten.

[MozartRequiem]

"So, that means that Lex & Lana (fingers-crossed) will have their memories wiped of Clark's true identity. I don't see how else they can make this work."

Well, Lana, in the comics, DOES know Clark's identity. So I doubt they'll wipe her memory. Lex, however, usually doesn't, or if he does, his memory usually gets wiped. LOL. I heard somewhere, maybe on this board, that in one comic, Lex finds out and he kills everyone close to Clark or something. That's the only reason I can't see Lex remembering Clark's secret in the future. If he did, why wouldn't he just use Clark's loved ones against him? Superman can't be everywhere, and surely Lex could at some point kill at least a couple of those closest to Clark. That's why it seems Lex will have to get his memory erased, unless they have some compelling reason why Lex doesn't just do this in the future. Or they could go the "Superman ALWAYS saves the day" route and Lex would never get away with it, but this would seem a bit unrealistic.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

Ok now be kind when you respond to this, it’s only a theory and that’s what were all here for isn’t it.

I think ol lexy baby got it wrong when he set the orb on the control panel in the Fortress and there was some sort of a defence mechanism that powered it down and made it go into some sort of hibernation. This makes sense if you see the way it reacts when CK first approaches Lex and he seems to get some sort of a shock or reaction from it that makes him back off. I think it was meant to make contact with CK and that in turn would have given the holder the power over him and therefore lived up to what the orb was meant to accomplish which was to control the traveller. If you think about it, it does make sense, destroying the fortress as many of you think does not control CK nor does taking his powers away, it changes his destiny but that is all and if that was what the orb was made for then it would have said so instead of using the word control. I think once CK gets himself sorted again the Fortress will reappear and all will be right with the world, as for Lex no idea what happens to him I guess that will be up to the writers and whether they decide to leave it open for him to guest spot. I think too much importance is put on the fortress its a place of knowledge and where the AI of Jor-El resides but it doesn’t control CK or else Jor-El would have used that by now to get his son to do what we all want him so desperately to do
Become the man he is destined to be.............

[colonyofcells]

Maybe the crystal orb was running on Windows Vista which is why it behaved in a funny way.

["Lois I Never Lie"]

now that shits funny lol
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[Sweetie]

I guess it was the only way for Jor-El to stop Lex from controlling his son.I'm sure Clark will find the last remaining crystal and the FOS will rebuilt itself again.

[shadoo]

You'd think that Clark would have told Kara everything that he has experienced with the second meteor shower, the black ship, Brainiac, Zod, the Phantom Zone, Raya, the Justice League, Lionel and Lex secret projects, all colors of kryptonite, Belle Reeve, meteor freaks, etc. just in their private conversations.

That information would have helped her make a more informed decision about leaving the planet with Brainiac and with trying to "kill" something that can make copies of itself, morph into other people, and regenerate itself. Plus, if she saw that metal bracelet thingy coming at her, she would have known to get away from it or else end up in the phantom zone.

I mean, what do these two talk about when they are together? Lana and farm chores?
Unfortunately, I think that is another plot hole. One would hope the writers read these post and decide to make better decisions, then again NOT.


If I were them, I would be dying to know everything about their lives: Kara's life on Krypton and Clark's life on earth. Wouldn't any of us?
Of course we would, apparently being apart of a STOIC race leads most kryptonians on earth to become slothful and dull witted.


The more I watch, the more I think they are purposely portraying Clark as mentally impaired. It's beyond "BDA" at this point. The boy's brain is not working the way it is supposed to and it is putting his loved ones in harm's way.

Or else, it is just bad writing.

I can forgive every flight of fancy, every convoluted plot device, every unresolved plot hole, every deus ex-machina (aka Chloe and Jor-el), if the writers would just preserve the integrity of Clark Kent.

Thank you all for reading my rant. I feel much better now.

p.s. I am very impressed with everyone's ideas on this thread. I hope the writers are reading these posts to get some great inspiration for Season 8. :)


Bad writing with a touch of them trying hard to make Clark dumb. Clark's an EL but he lived among simple people. The type of people I grew up with: Values virtues and going out your way for the simple life. Clark I don't blame. Kara though is a plot hole the size the bloody grand canyon. Her uncle and dad were two of the greatest scientist in kryptonian history, one would think she was slightly smarter than being able to hack beyond a few firewalls. Or is it that all Kryptonian women are genetically slower than kryptonian men.

P.S. Fallout. Raya literally stood there and died. Idiot.

P.P.S.S Notice I said kryptonian, earth women are not only smart but they're more brillaint than any other potential race in the universe. :D

[Keyser Soze]

I personally don't think the device was ever going to control Clark. Just Jor-el said so. It would be even more dangerous to have the fortress around since it has the complete knowledge of the Universe gathered by the Krytonians. So if Clark became truely evil the Fortress would be the greatest weapon, thus it's distruction. After all the Krytonians were once a warring people and would have knowledge of allsorts of mighty weapons.

[Elite]

what if the device was not actually meant to control Clark, but to protect him instead.
Clearly, whoever has the device is trying to control the traveller. So by going to the FOS and using it, this person is basically exposing themselves as a threat to the traveller and the FOS consequently collapses on top of them to kill them. And it doesnt matter if the traveller is present, cos he is able to survive it.

[boywithbluehanger]

BR8K/TH_W4LL5-D0Wn
SAVE_US.Y2J

[Karafan1]

BR8K/TH_W4LL5-D0Wn
SAVE_US.Y2J

I wonder how many people on this site know what that means..I do

[boywithbluehanger]

^ Almost like an inside joke for a "certain" type of fan :D :lol:

[Karafan1]

certian type of fan?

[boywithbluehanger]

^yeah...shhh don't give it away!! this way, it's almost exactly like a cheap code, yet still slightly on subject with this thread...sort of... :D

[Karafan1]

ok

[GuardianAngel]

I think that Jor-El did bring down the fortress. I think the controlling of Kal-El and the collapse of the FOS were 2 seperate events.

I honestly think that Jor-El sent the device in case Kal-El turned out to be truly evil but the guy he turned out to be, he didn't need to be controlled. When he found out that evil SOB Lex was gonna control him, he did the only thing he could do...bring down the FOS.

That's what I thought. The FOS/Jor-el must have sensed that the human (LEX) ho had entered the FOS and had the orb was evil, but couldn't stop him directly, so decided to undo the FOS in order to prevent it being used to control Clark and rule the world. The FOS did have the knowledge of 20+ galaxies and I'm sure Jor-el didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands.

The clue is in the way the FOS was "destroyed": it wasn't blown to pieces, it was undone, as though the crystal which created it decided to undo it. That's why there aren't any debris and the artic looked just like before Clark threw the crystal in "Arrival".
I'm sure the crystal (the one which originated from the three stones) is still there buried in the snow. Clark won't find it in the season premiere, but if MM showes up in season 8 he'll tell Clark that Jor-el tried to protect him and the FOS can be rebuilt.

Rebuilding it will be one of Clark's final steps in accepting his alien heritage and Jor-el.

[Thrill_Seeker]

That wouldn't surprise me. Jor-El would probably think, "I'm sick of this stupid kid. I'll try adopting Jimmy."

:lol::rotfl:

so true !!!
but I think jor-el actually maybe was the one who did it,
seeing clark not being able to stop lex and see lex put the crystal orb in. go "oh SH**"
and quickly bring everything down, because jor-el knew what would happen if clark had been controlled,
EARTHS COMPLETE DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!
but that doesnt happen.

[Karafan1]

If Jor-El knew Lex was evil, instead of bringing down the fortress he should have zapped Lex right away to erase his memory of the fortress and were it is then teleport him back to the cave

[GuardianAngel]

If Jor-El knew Lex was evil, instead of bringing down the fortress he should have zapped Lex right away to erase his memory of the fortress and were it is then teleport him back to the cave

I don't think Jor-el could take action against the holder of the orb once it entered the FOS. The FOS console emitted purple light, just like the orb. But Jor-el could undo the FOS to stop it being used to control the traveler and the world. We saw what Zor-el almost did in "Blue" once the blue crystal overrode the FOS AI.

I'm sure Jor-el had considered the possibility that the orb could fall into the wrong hands (as Raya said, Jor-el had planned every single little detail) and once Jor-el AI sensed that an evil being had the orb, a failsafe mechanism activated which undid the FOS.

He sent the orb to humans in case the traveler turned evil but he also considered the possibility that an evil human could try to control the traveler.

[Karafan1]

I hope next season we get an explanation as to why the fortress went back into the ground..The explanation in the premiere would be good..I don't wanna wait all season for it

[baltazor]

That is a theory which is quite viable. In any case i am pretty sure that one of Clark's top priorities for next season will be to find a way to rebuild the FOS...

[dru-zod2501]

can you imagine a season without Terrance Stamp's Incomparable Baritone for Jor-El? I can't. Which is why I want to believe that it was Jor_El that brought the place down to save Kal, otherwise the idea of Lex just Being just missing without any explanation makes even less sense than usual for this show.

This is the time when he should be learning to trust Jor-El more now; hell it's been that time for a long goddamn while now.

[stenochick]

P.P.S.S Notice I said kryptonian, earth women are not only smart but they're more brillaint than any other potential race in the universe. :D

You got that right. Now someone needs to let Dawn Ostroff and the CW in on that fact because they think that women only want to watch 90210, Gossip Girl, America's Next Top Model, and the CLANA. :eek:

[shadoo]

You got that right. Now someone needs to let Dawn Ostroff and the CW in on that fact because they think that women only want to watch 90210, Gossip Girl, America's Next Top Model, and the CLANA. :eek:

Lady fans are as much geeky as male fans, maybe that came out wrong.

[All about Clark]

I'm sure the crystal (the one which originated from the three stones) is still there buried in the snow. Clark won't find it in the season premiere, but if MM showes up in season 8 he'll tell Clark that Jor-el tried to protect him and the FOS can be rebuilt.

Rebuilding it will be one of Clark's final steps in accepting his alien heritage and Jor-el.

I think you are right about Clark accepting his heritage by rebuilding the FOS.

I felt the same way about there having to be a stone left from the FOS. Whether Clark finds it right away or not we have to wait and see. If he has his powers he should be able to x-ray in order to find it and to possibly see a buried Lex.

I think that in order to not have Lex in the premiere they could just show his x-rayed body under the snow and have Clark leave him there.

[Karafan1]

Maybe Clark will rebuild it in the season 8 finale and start his training to end the show since in the superman movie he started his training right after the fortress was built

[red_sun1938]

Jor-El intervening is the most logical explanation. It could also be the way they write Lex out. Clark explains to Chloe that Jor-El wiped Lex's memory of Veritas and the fortress or something. It's the most plausible cop out they can use to savage any kind of reputation after that steaming pile of S%@t we got as a finale.

[solarbattery24]

perhaps the finale just wasn't long enough. It seemed to me that the FOS just decontructed itself. I don't believe the orb caused the destruction or the destruction may have begun when Lex placed the orb on the console. Only after Clark was stroke with the orb energy did the fortress began to react. More than likely, it reacted to save Clark.

[stenochick]

Lady fans are as much geeky as male fans, maybe that came out wrong.

I'm a total geek, always have been, even when I was a hottie in high school and college. Guys would hit on me and then after some conversation, it would dawn on them that I was quite the nerd.:o

[shadoo]

I'm a total geek, always have been, even when I was a hottie in high school and college. Guys would hit on me and then after some conversation, it would dawn on them that I was quite the nerd.:o


And you are cool for being so. Here we are having a hypothetical conversation based on characters that exist in the realm of fantasy whilst comparing their muck abouts to real world situations encouraging each other through whimsical pandering. But, pandering in the sense of unimatrix zero and not so much McCain Barrack Clinton.:)

[stenochick]

And you are cool for being so. Here we are having a hypothetical conversation based on characters that exist in the realm of fantasy whilst comparing their muck abouts to real world situations encouraging each other through whimsical pandering. But, pandering in the sense of unimatrix zero and not so much McCain Barrack Clinton.:)

But, obviously not be geeky enough to know what "unimatrix zero" is...:confused:

[shadoo]

But, obviously not be geeky enough to know what "unimatrix zero" is...:confused:


Basically its a place where drones go to be people. In a lot of ways its similar to the intenet; a relief from the real world into a realm of fantasy. Though in some aspects, it resembles a Technomage's electron incantation, without the cerebral compressed time ability.

[galatians221]

The FOS collapsed because the "control device" that Lex now has is used to summons the Phantom Zone thingy and it needs to swoop up Clark when it arrives, and it can only do that if the FOS isn't there.. which is also why we saw the Phantom Zone thingy coming out of that galaxy towards Earth (with Kara trapped) since Lex summoned it with the controlling device. Seems that Clark and Kara will both be in the zone in the premiere. Just my two cents worth. Discuss... :)

Is it possible that Jor El is destroying the fortress as a defense mechanism against the control device? Lex should not be able to control Clark because he is dead or disabled by tons of debris falling on him. I don't know why Clark would be weakened by the device since it only controls him and he isn't fit for evil control if he's weak. Jor El may have temporarily taken his powers away or altered them. I can see S8 premier with Clark and Lex lying in the rubble and Jor El instructs Clark as to what to do with the device and Clark rushes Lex to a hospital where he has permanent amnesia or is in a continual vegetative state and Jor El rebuilds the FOS and Clark is told how to rescue Kara. Some gal takes over Luthorcorp as Lex is permanently incapacitated and she is the new nemesis. Lex can always recover later which keeps the mythos somewhat intact.

[Stratum99]

Is it possible that Jor El is destroying the fortress as a defense mechanism against the control device? Lex should not be able to control Clark because he is dead or disabled by tons of debris falling on him. I don't know why Clark would be weakened by the device since it only controls him and he isn't fit for evil control if he's weak. Jor El may have temporarily taken his powers away or altered them. I can see S8 premier with Clark and Lex lying in the rubble and Jor El instructs Clark as to what to do with the device and Clark rushes Lex to a hospital where he has permanent amnesia or is in a continual vegetative state and Jor El rebuilds the FOS and Clark is told how to rescue Kara. Some gal takes over Luthorcorp as Lex is permanently incapacitated and she is the new nemesis. Lex can always recover later which keeps the mythos somewhat intact.


Awesome theory, and it would really work especially if Jor-El knew Lex was "evil".