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DontCha

05-14-2008, 08:18 PM

Lana baggage

&

Chloe baggage

???

just my opinion..

again he's too emotionally wound up to actually see or do anything beyond the realm he's in..and has been in since god knows when

Apocalype: In a world where he didnt have to worry about Lana or Chloe..he became more like his iconic self and understood his place..and what he must do in life..

but of course in the real world Lana drags him right back down again by braking up with him and im gonna say it..even chloe somewhat does this to him?? they both distract him away from what he relaized in Apocalypse.

he needs to be clear of this emotional crap before he actually becomes superman

get away from this OC crap and become more like a superman story please

EDIT - now that i think about it, chloe isnt holding him back but this Clana stuff is just doing my head in

if clark wants to become superman he's gotta stop worrying more about silly things his girlfriend dumping him..im getting really sick of the teenage drama aspect..I want a more adult story as he comes into his own

Superman of Krypton

05-14-2008, 08:21 PM

Clark underestimated Lex, thats what went wrong to begin with.

Clark convinced himself Lex didnt have the device... without any further investigation; and thus was blind to what Lex was really up to.

miks

05-14-2008, 08:24 PM

I don't see how it was Chloe or Lana's fault. I feel like Chloe being catatonic by brainiac actually made him step up his game and destroy him...of course with lana in that state and who knows what happened to kara that helped as well

DontCha

05-14-2008, 08:24 PM

I dont actually think its so much Chloe...more the Clana suff

im pretty certain if he wasnt so emtionally crippled his head would be clearer and we would have seen some amazing ish go down, I mean more supermanish stuff...

colonyofcells

05-14-2008, 08:25 PM

At least Clark was able to destroy Brainiac, with wonderful Chloe's help of course.
For some reason, Clark was unprepared to face Lex and just Lex bring down the Fortress on both of them.
Obviously, Lex survives bec. Clark protects Lex. Lex probably will be in a catatonic state so Tess has to take over LuthorCorp in season 8.

DontCha

05-14-2008, 08:28 PM

how can you become earths protector..when you're more worried about such silly things as your girlfriend dumping you? The teenage chiick flick ish is really starting to grate on my nerves..this needs to becme more adult as he turns into Superman..more masculine storytelling rather than chick flick style

Its the transition from immaturity to maturity that i want..

also i agree, i dont think Chloe is actually holding him back now that I think about it..but its justthis darn clana stuff..

eas

05-14-2008, 08:34 PM

how can you become earths protector..when you're more worried about such silly things as your girlfriend dumping you?

Well, to be honest, DontCha, there have been plenty of times in the Superman mythos where Clark has been affected by Lois Lane the same way.

He's Superman - not a robot. If the woman he's loved for years just woke up from a coma and he gets handed a DVD kiss-off, of course he's affected. Superman has feelings - in fact, I think it's harder on a character like Superman than it is on Batman or the Flash. Why? Because Superman always sees the good in people and he opens his heart all the way to people he loves. Batman can always shrug it off and be cynical. The Flash would hide his feelings behind a joke. But Superman? Yeah, it would affect him. And, let's not forget, this a young Superman. Maybe this whole situation with Lana will ultimately be something that shapes him later on in life -- maybe this is how can kind of compartmentalize when something like this happens to him later.

I haven't seen the episode, so I don't know how it plays out, but I would expect Clark to be impacted quite strongly by Lana dumping him via DVD.

aqgalaxy

05-14-2008, 08:35 PM

Honestly if it wasn't for Chloe, Clark was willing to have Brianaic kill baby Kal-El, so it's just, Chloe being cheerleader to EMoClark that is annoying.

Clark shouldn't need a cheerleader, that's what's annoying. We blame it on Chloe cause we like to point the fingers, when reality it's the Lana obsessed brain of Clark's.

When Chloe was in her catatonia Clark took action he found Brianaic and killed him, the day Chloe went into the coma, while with Lana, he just "Lana? Lana? Lana? I don't care about Lex, the world is better off without me, You will release Lana. Despite Lex saying all the best doctors haven't figured it out, I'm checking webMD on coma's"

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Well, to be honest, DontCha, there have been plenty of times in the Superman mythos where Clark has been affected by Lois Lane the same way.
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But DontCha has a point. he's superman, yeah he mourns and feels guilty but I doubt he would say "People are better off without me" because Lois was in a coma, if I'm not mistaken when Lois was infected with Kryptonite in Brianaic Returns that animated movie, Clark took action, not "He should kill me"

BadToad

05-14-2008, 08:40 PM

I actually don't understand why Clark is getting so much crap for this episode. There seemed to be a lot of things coming at him, one by one. And he dealt with them as they came. Should he have know Lex had the device? Maybe, but then how would they have had a Clex confrontation in the FOS? I can accept the contrivance.

But Kara going wonky? He immediately went after her. When she got away, the kryptonite plan was implemented (unfortunately, Chloe decided to take that on her own, and they didn't know they were dealing with Brainiac). Chloe gets hurt, he's at her bedside. He gets the tip-off its Brainiac, he goes after him and takes him out (so much for Clark never winning one). Then he makes sure Lana is OK (he's talking on the phone with Chloe, so he's also assured that she's alright). He takes a minute to be upset about Lana dumping him via video, hugs Lois. Then one he finds out from Jimmy where Lex is, he's off to the Artic.

I mean, aside from maybe a tad too much wallowing over Lana, I think he reacted pretty quickly to things.

Sure, it would be great, and really nice, to have Clark be a few steps ahead of others on this show. But that would entail these writers actually considering Clark FIRST before they worry about serving other characters. And they haven't done that in 2 seasons.

DontCha

05-14-2008, 08:42 PM

Well, to be honest, DontCha, there have been plenty of times in the Superman mythos where Clark has been affected by Lois Lane the same way.

He's Superman - not a robot. If the woman he's loved for years just woke up from a coma and he gets handed a DVD kiss-off, of course he's affected. Superman has feelings - in fact, I think it's harder on a character like Superman than it is on Batman or the Flash. Why? Because Superman always sees the good in people and he opens his heart all the way to people he loves. Batman can always shrug it off and be cynical. The Flash would hide his feelings behind a joke. But Superman? Yeah, it would affect him. And, let's not forget, this a young Superman. Maybe this whole situation with Lana will ultimately be something that shapes him later on in life -- maybe this is how can kind of compartmentalize when something like this happens to him later.

I haven't seen the episode, so I don't know how it plays out, but I would expect Clark to be impacted quite strongly by Lana dumping him via DVD.

thing is..he's not superman yet, he hasnt decided to grow up. He's still clark kent farm boy..and to actually make that leap from farmboy something so weak, to Superman, the embodiment of something so adult, mature, so powerful and brave he needs to stop being weak and that means becoming crippled by a girlfriend dumping him etc etc.. he needs to shift his priorities around, certain things like puppy love and teenage crushes/relationships need to take second place as this transition from boy to grown man happens..but afterwards, when its settled it can all come back..but it will be more mature relationships.. IMO its his weakness....he needs to learn to master it and by the time he's settled as Superman im sure he will have.

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Sure, the fantasy is different with Tom - and it's a fantasy that women and girls can engage in, no question, which is probably an improvement over the old dynamic (at least from the WB's perspective) - but where is all this sexual tension taking us? Arguably, it's taking us to a more mature vision of the Superman legend. Time will tell

As good as Tom is (and he is very good at playing this extended phase of the young Superman's development), he's not your father's - or for that matter, your mother's - Superman.

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http://superman.ugo.com/menofsteel/tom_welling/default.asp

I sure hope all this sexual tenstion is taking us somewhere, and that its the REAL superman..the iconcic superman.

eas

05-14-2008, 09:00 PM

thing is..he's not superman yet, he hasnt decided to grow up. He's still clark kent farm boy..and to actually make that leap from farmboy something so weak, to Superman, the embodiment of something so adult, mature, so powerful and brave he needs to stop being weak and that means becoming crippled by a girlfriend dumping him etc etc.. he needs to shift his priorities around, certain things like puppy love and teenage crushes/relationships need to take second place as this transition from boy to grown man happens..but afterwards, when its settled it can all come back..but it will be more mature relationships.. IMO its his weakness....he needs to learn to master it and by the time he's settled as Superman im sure he will have.

Yeah, that's my point. (I think we're agreeing here.) My point is that because he's not Superman, yet, he's still learning. He lets his emotions get the better of him and he hasn't fully learned how to compartmentalize yet. He's getting there, though. I have full faith that, by the end of S8, he'll be able to deal with these sorts of things better.

And, whether I like it or not, his relationship with Lana is a BIG deal. It's no small thing when he sees that vid of her. Regardless of whether she did this to Whitney, I'm sure he was not ever expecting that Lana would do this to him and - especially - that she would do it on the occasion of waking up from a coma that he's been obsessing about. He was completely blind sided!

DontCha

05-14-2008, 09:07 PM

colonyofcells

05-14-2008, 09:11 PM

The writers probably just want to stretch Smallville into more seasons to make more money.
A very human Clark is also better for the viewers who want to identify with Clark. Dumb characters are more popular than super smart characters.

DontCha

05-14-2008, 09:14 PM

lol true^^

and I guessed as much..they're milking it rather than giving a decent character development..

I dunno if they actually even care about Clark Kent and where eh goes like Joss Whedon cared about Buffy and where she went...he was so much more on the ball when it came to her development..he wanted the best for her character..he gave her awesome development

Clark is not getting the same treatment..he's a money making tool to them IMO

eas

05-14-2008, 09:15 PM

I guess i just want him to grow up already..im getting bored with all this immaturity..I dunno why they're making it so nothing has changed in him until the last season, in most series its something that happens all the way along with the protagonist..as a matter of fact it happens in every story I have ever watched or read..but not this one.... its like the writers are just keping him in limbo and there's not really much development with his character...at all..

I think we have started seeing this with him. I thought that the post-strike episodes were great Clark episodes. (Well, except "Sleeper"... that was aptly named.)

I thought Apocalypse was him realizing that he's better off without lana and she without him, so why is he still moping about her not wanting to be with him [...]he wasnt even hurt in Apocalypse, he was happy that she was better without him..yet this eppy totally contradicts it

Well, I haven't seen it, yet. But from the way people are describing it, he's sad because she dumps him on a DVD. The tears could mean so many things, but - at the same time - I get that he'd get emotional. We've seen him be so focused on saving Lana after Brainiac zapped her brain. And, now, she's okay. But what does she do? She leaves him a "Dear Clark" dvd. I can see all his pent up emotions coming out and him being very emotional because of this.

It doesn't, imo, have anything do with him not being able to move or having issues with Lana moving on. It's him showing grief that his girlfriend woke up from a coma and left without saying a real good-bye. How is he immature in doing this?? How is he wrong to feel this way? Of course it's gonna hurt. Like I said, he's Superman - not a robot. Don't we want him to be a Superman who feels pain when somebody hurts him emotionally?

I don't ship Clana, by any means, but we can't deny that Lana has held a place of much important in Clark's heart. And so it's okay for him to have his heart broken - at least a little, maybe a lot - by her action.

I thought Apocalypse was him starting to move forwards..but we're going to get some serious moping throughout much of season 8 i bet..

And I still see him as moving forward. Just because he was happy for AULana moving on doesn't mean that he's going to be all okay with RealLana jumping up from her hospital bed and dumping him like that. I'd think there was something wrong with him if he was okay with it.

And regarding S8... let's see how it plays out. I have high hopes for S8 Clark.

colonyofcells

05-14-2008, 09:25 PM

If Kristin is leaving the show for sure, they will allow Clark to get over Lana in season 8. So far, Kristin keeps on coming back to Smallville so Clana is unable to end yet.

DontCha

05-14-2008, 09:30 PM

herolee10

05-14-2008, 09:42 PM

but AU clark was still RW clark and he developed in the episode. Inside he realized that not being with Lana and she not being with him is a good thing and he grew up slightly

but in Arctic its like that major leap in character development doesnt even exist

Im not saying he should have been totally OK with it but what happened in Apoc, should have made that scene slightly different..as in him somewhat accepting it rather than moping again as if its the end of the world

maybe if its resolved to his face he'll take it better..where he can actually talk it out with her..

I'm thinking that the reason he really cried during that scene, wasn't really because "Lana was breaking up with him" itself...but in the manner that she was breaking up with him..she seemed really hurt in that vid. If anything I think clark wanted her and him to break off in mutual and in good terms, and not force lana to leave in such a emotional way. He felt bad her for her was more like it. He did realize that she'd be better off with someone else in Apoco. but I think the reason why he was able to accept that so easily is because lana hadn't been scarred so much emotionally and physically before finding her happiness with another.

Kel-El09

05-14-2008, 09:43 PM

Has anyone that watched it tonight put clips up yet? I'm really anxious!!

RepairmanBob

05-14-2008, 09:49 PM

Sure, it would be great, and really nice, to have Clark be a few steps ahead of others on this show. But that would entail these writers actually considering Clark FIRST before they worry about serving other characters. And they haven't done that in 2 seasons.Now that is just crazy talk.

It has been way more than two years since the writers bothered to consdier Clark's character first.

BadToad

05-14-2008, 09:50 PM

I'm thinking that the reason he really cried during that scene, wasn't really because "Lana was breaking up with him" itself...but in the manner that she was breaking up with him..she seemed really hurt in that vid. If anything I think clark wanted her and him to break off in mutual and in good terms, and not force lana to leave in such a emotional way. He felt bad her for her was more like it. He did realize that she'd be better off with someone else in Apoco. but I think the reason why he was able to accept that so easily is because lana hadn't been scarred so much emotionally and physically before finding her happiness with another.

I felt the same way. And I also think Clark is really in an emotionally overwrought place right now. There's just so much going on his life, and almost all of it is heartbreaking and terrible. And here's a chance for something good, Lana being alright, and instead of a reunion where he can give here a big hug, he gets a tearful break-up video. After everything else, I just really can't blame him for shedding a few tears. Its just been one thing after another for weeks and weeks now. Clark might be the main of steel, but his heart isn't made of steel. I think Lana's break-up vid was just the rotten cherry on the top of his rotten cake.

It has been way more than two years since the writers bothered to consdier Clark's character first.

Well, true, but it used to not be so overwhelming obvious. I think S5 is when the scales really started to tip.

eas

05-14-2008, 09:56 PM

I'm thinking that the reason he really cried during that scene, wasn't really because "Lana was breaking up with him" itself...but in the manner that she was breaking up with him..she seemed really hurt in that vid. If anything I think clark wanted her and him to break off in mutual and in good terms, and not force lana to leave in such a emotional way. He felt bad her for her was more like it. He did realize that she'd be better off with someone else in Apoco. but I think the reason why he was able to accept that so easily is because lana hadn't been scarred so much emotionally and physically before finding her happiness with another.

Yeah, I agree. I can see him feeling really bad about how she was and how badly it ended. They didn't end on mutual terms and there was no closure. And now he'll never where she is and how she is... of course that's going to hurt him.

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But DontCha has a point. he's superman, yeah he mourns and feels guilty but I doubt he would say "People are better off without me" because Lois was in a coma, if I'm not mistaken when Lois was infected with Kryptonite in Brianaic Returns that animated movie, Clark took action, not "He should kill me"

He did take action, but he took time to go to the hospital and see her, etc. And, then, at the end, he didn't tell Lois the truth about himself - something he planned to do before she almost died. That was how he reacted at the end, and people could think he was wrong for doing that.

My point was that Clark's not always rational about the woman he loves. He mans up and does what he needs to do, but he has moments of hesitation, moments of grief and emotion, and still makes bad judgment calls. Superman does that in all version of Superman, imo. SVClark doesn't seem to be doing anything out of line here, imo.

But, again, I haven't seen it, yet and I'm basing my view on what I've read.

petitemimi

05-14-2008, 10:00 PM

I have high hopes for S8 Clark.
Well, with no regular characters left (if AM doesn't come back); I guess the writers won't have any other choice than to write for him instead of around him.
That's the problem with Clana. It's not about Clark. Everybody knew it was going to end this way because that makes her look good. And Clark Schmark. Not important. He was unhappy all season 7 with Lana, she dumped him and we just KNOW that he will come after her in S8 because then, it makes Lana look good and Clark a love-sick moron for the millionth time. He had several occasions to dump her in S7 with all that happened. Again, he didn't and it made him look stupid. And then, there's the eternal argument :"But, but, Clark loves her." Well, it's the writers' choice.

I thought that the post-strike episodes were great Clark episodes.

Apocalypse was a great Clark episode. He was in the AU what he should be in real life, and that puzzles me to no end. Why is that so difficult to make him proactive, competent and less mopey?

I would have higher hope for Clark in S8 if there is any chance to see:
-a more dignified end to Clana from Clark's point of view; that means that he WILL MOVE ON;
-Less psychological and physical torture for Clark;
-more happiness and pride about who he is instead of feeling guilty 24/7
- more competent and proactive.

Thrill_Seeker

05-15-2008, 06:41 AM

just because clark doesnt move forwards doesnt mean that its a bad episode,
did he move backwards ?? I dont think so,
there have been PLENTY of very good episodes where clark doesnt move forward that are very good

JNottle

05-15-2008, 07:44 AM

You guys are forgetting one thing, Clark does actually want to have a life other than just being Superman, and since he was raised with humanity, he has all the feelings what comes with it, Quote from Martian Manhunter: "While your humanity is your greatest strength, it is also your greatest vulnrability."

Isn't Lana meant to be back in Season 8? So maybe she returns and they return to their friendship instead of a romantic relationship. Pete might also come to town to show them devloping feelings for eachother.

One thing I don't get, how is Clark supposed to know Lex has the device, I suppose he should of X-Rayed the entire area in the Church, and possibly gone to Luthor mansion and checked, but he did have a lot of stuff on his mind at the time.

I think Clark got mad and went after Brainiac after seeing what he did to TWO of the people closest to him, and Kara, so he used his anger to be able to destroy or kill someone, you know he dosen't feel that way for just any old thing.

Clark has learned a lot of things in Season 7 though, so he is maturing;
- He's found out that not all people have good in them, well he already knew that, but he kind of realised he has to take a step back from trying to find good in everyone, all the time.
- He's learnt he can't change the past.
- Not everything is his fault.

thing is..he's not superman yet, he hasnt decided to grow up. He's still clark kent farm boy..and to actually make that leap from farmboy something so weak, to Superman, the embodiment of something so adult, mature, so powerful and brave he needs to stop being weak and that means becoming crippled by a girlfriend dumping him etc etc.. he needs to shift his priorities around, certain things like puppy love and teenage crushes/relationships need to take second place as this transition from boy to grown man happens..but afterwards, when its settled it can all come back..but it will be more mature relationships.. IMO its his weakness....he needs to learn to master it and by the time he's settled as Superman im sure he will have.

Well, I know it's only a fiction, but you can't expect someone to put their life on hold to save the rest of the world, his life does have prioritys aswell as saving the world on an anual bases, and who wouldn't get hurt by any relationship? If you have loved someone all your life, you have been through a lot with them, and then they up and leave and dump you like they did to their high school boyfriend when they where MIA, wouldn't you feel just a tad upset?

colonyofcells

05-15-2008, 09:53 AM

Clark's journey is sort of like sex, it is more enjoyable if prolonged.

JNottle

05-15-2008, 10:06 AM

^ Lmfao!

Thrill_Seeker

05-15-2008, 10:10 AM

Clark's journey is sort of like sex, it is more enjoyable if prolonged.

thats what one of my family thought about the finale :D
that its like sex, better to wait until you get it properly instead of going ahead and cheating :p

petitemimi

05-15-2008, 10:11 AM

Clark's journey is sort of like sex, it is more enjoyable if prolonged.

:rotfl:

In that case, Clark's journey in S7 was like BDSM. Could we get a little happy Clark next season?

A_Chloe.S._Fan

05-15-2008, 01:45 PM

chloe baggage? all he did was visit his best friend in the hospital. lana brought him down more, but still not as much as she did in sleeper.

colonyofcells

05-15-2008, 02:01 PM

Clark has already been a hero for all 7 seasons of Smallville and I am not really sure what is this place Clark is supposed to move forward to. Many people seem to have an image of Superman from the other media but since Smallville is an alternate universe, I don't really expect the Smallville Clark to become like the Superman from the other media. The Smallville Clark is just a very different take on Superman. Even the Smallville Lex is a lot better than the Lex in the other media. In other media, Lex is just a guest whereas in Smallville, Clark and Lex grew up together in every episode. Replacing Lex with a henchwoman is really a big blow to Season 8.
Clark is still in the college years and cannot be too much like the adult Superman in the other media.

DontCha

05-15-2008, 06:45 PM

^^I highly doubt they will leave this without him becoming Superman..Its called "Superman the early years" for a reason..

but its very much like dawsons creek with more action and i do often wonder..is all this sexual tension actually progressing anywhere?

in the Superboy comics Lex and Clark were best of friends...so they did stay true to some of the mythos..

colonyofcells

05-15-2008, 07:23 PM

1.
Smallville about a young Clark Kent is more teen drama and some sci fi action. I don't really expect it to go in a particular direction. Clark is sort of crawling slowly to becoming a man and becoming the adult hero in order to prolong the teen drama which is the heart of the show.

2.
In bronze age Superboy comics, Lex and Clark were friends but Lex hardly appeared in Superboy comics. Smallville is the first time Lex is really in every episode growing with Clark. It does seem like Lex grew faster than Clark though maybe bec. Lex had fewer girlfriends. I think it was a mistake to replace Lex with a henchwoman. They should've just gotten a new Lex actor for season 8 so that Lex will be in all Smallville episodes like before.