View Full Version : That was it?/The Ending SUCKED! --Discussion thread
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:04 PM
He isnt coming back but that was a crap exit after 7 years.
Whats worse is CW spoiled this halfassed ending in the clips they released.
Supermanhomepage confirmed from Mike himself that he won't be back....
Use this thread to convey your feelings about Michael's exit!
Dark_Superman
05-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Im pretty sure they will use him as guest appearance at least for one scene in the first episode, if not, then his exit and safety or how he forgets everything better be well covered, or ill be mad.
Razzle
05-14-2008, 07:08 PM
He needs to be a guest on at least one episode or else i will be pissed the hell off.. he deserves a proper send off.
Xx.Kal-El.xX
05-14-2008, 07:08 PM
I'm so glad those two producers are leaving, maybe now in season 8 clark wont be such a wuss.
Dark_Superman
05-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Does anyone remember if he said something like "goodbye clark" in the rage of the ending, i cant remember. Would be half cool that his last words were goodbye
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:10 PM
Im pretty sure they will use him as guest appearance at least for one scene in the first episode, if not, then his exit and safety or how he forgets everything better be well covered, or ill be mad.
He doesnt want to shave his head.
He's pretty much against returning in any form...according to SHP who talked to him 2 weeks ago in person.
Rosey is done.
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Razzle
05-14-2008, 07:11 PM
haha i guess they had to give one more shitstained episode before they left. Either way i agree clark needs to grow some balls. though i enjoyed the clark scuffle with Braniac
ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva
05-14-2008, 07:12 PM
This was a very bad episode. I believed it was going to be awesome, boy was I wrong.
Probably the worst finale ever. Now I have learned a valuable lesson: Never again to expect high standards from Smallville or the writers.
Alexander III
05-14-2008, 07:12 PM
yea, that wussy finally did the rite thing by killing a villian.
Dark_Superman
05-14-2008, 07:13 PM
Well i doubt he could do much, did anyone else notice that as the purple ball of doom came closer, he seemed to get weakened, almost like kryptonite?
kavalier
05-14-2008, 07:13 PM
He doesnt have to film new scenes. They still have footage of him that they are saving for the premiere. Its called a cliffhanger. They hold onto some of the footage and dont show you what happens until the premiere. Keep your pants on....itll all get resolved...theres more Rosenbaum to come.
ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva
05-14-2008, 07:14 PM
I recorded the episode tonight. The last thing Lex said was "I'm sorry"
And the FOS collapsed on them both, as the camera shot panned away from lex's face and into the sky so we can get an aerial view of the FOS falling to crumbs.
Timester
05-14-2008, 07:14 PM
The ending was brilliant, pure comic book style.
We can't forget that Lex doesn't die, that he will appear in the future. Yeah, sucks that MR is gone, but stories shouldn't be about actors leaving.
RedKRules
05-14-2008, 07:15 PM
This was a very bad episode. I believed it was going to be awesome, boy was I wrong.
Probably the worst finale ever. Now I have learned a valuable lesson: Never again to expect high standards from Smallville or the writers.
I agree with that ..... what a lousy finale :\:\
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:17 PM
He doesnt have to film new scenes. They still have footage of him that they are saving for the premiere. Its called a cliffhanger. They hold onto some of the footage and dont show you what happens until the premiere. Keep your pants on....itll all get resolved...theres more Rosenbaum to come.
Um no. That would mean they'd have to pay him for an additional episode and he's not on contract for any Season 8 episodes.
redeem147
05-14-2008, 07:18 PM
Was this written as the finale, or used as the finale because of the strike? Gonna be hard to explain where Lex is now (unless he's dead - talk about messing with the mythos).
Alexander III
05-14-2008, 07:19 PM
Goodbye MR, you are one hell of an actor with great potential and an amazing talent.
You played Lex Luthor the best. No one can take your spot. We will miss you,
I will miss every Lex scene and miss your great voice. Bye MR, geez I'm going to cry now....
Tribute to MR
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kavalier
05-14-2008, 07:21 PM
Um no. That would mean they'd have to pay him for an additional episode and he's not on contract for any Season 8 episodes.
Oh big woop. They have to pay him for one more episode. As long as hes already filmed the scenes you think Rosenbaums gonna care? Listen think back to just about every premiere Smallville has ever had. Theres always scenes that carry over. You think they filmed all that Reeves Dam stuff on two separate occasions? Theres a very good chance there is more footage to be shown.
redeem147
05-14-2008, 07:21 PM
Maybe Lex will be disfigured by the Fortress collapse and will have to have plastic surgery.
Next season, Lex will be played by Britney Spears.
I'm going to miss Michael. I'll still watch, because I love Superman in all his forms, but his Lex was a big reason I enjoyed Smallville.
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aqgalaxy
05-14-2008, 07:25 PM
I think it mimics how they got rid of Lex Luthor and Darksied in the finale of Justice League Unlimited they both just disappeared
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Oh big woop. They have to pay him for one more episode. As long as hes already filmed the scenes you think Rosenbaums gonna care? Listen think back to just about every premiere Smallville has ever had. Theres always scenes that carry over. You think they filmed all that Reeves Dam stuff on two separate occasions? Theres a very good chance there is more footage to be shown.
I dont buy it.
Lex has supposedly 'disapeared' next season officially. That lines up with how the finale mysteriously ended.
I'm extremly skeptical they'd use footage of him for a Season he's not contracted for.
Obviously Lex will be mentioned onscreen again, but I doubt MR will appear.
kavalier
05-14-2008, 07:29 PM
I dont buy it.
Lex has supposedly 'disapeared' next season officially. That lines up with how the finale mysteriously ended.
I'm extremly skeptical they'd use footage of him for a Season he's not contracted for.
Obviously Lex will be mentioned onscreen again, but I doubt MR will appear as him.
Well I think theres plenty of reason to hope. The more I think about it...Im not even sure he needs to come back. I mean do we want him to sit down with Clark and have another heart to heart? What is last scene supposed to look like anhow? Seems like the Fortress crumbling around him and Clark is as good as anything I can come up with in my head. I still think its very likely they are holding onto footage though to bring some resolution to the plot.
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:32 PM
If such footage exists, I'm skeptical MR will be shown.
I'm sure they can resolve Lex's disapearance after this with some bogus explanation next season.....BUT
My main complaint is after 7 years, the actor (Rosenbaum) deserved a better end than this....and the Clark/Lex rivalry ended on a really weak note.
kavalier
05-14-2008, 07:49 PM
Well I guess one thing to think about is that the rivalry between Lex and Clark is just beginning...I mean (you may think is a lame excuse) I think our imaginations can give a better ending to their rivalry than the show ever could. The show just passes the torch and now its up to us to imagine what happens next. Its not the show expects us to think that this is the last time Clark and Lex ever meet. Its enough for me just to know that, in terms of the show's plot, that Lex finally found what he was looking for. That was his journey throughout the show. That has been resolved. We can speculate now on what happens next.
Superman of Krypton
05-14-2008, 07:51 PM
Yeah I agree.
Which is sad.
I have a feeling thats how the series will end as well. They'll leave it open-ended hence why Al/Miles constantly said they'll never show Tom as Superman.
Mar-El
05-14-2008, 08:05 PM
This was a very bad episode. I believed it was going to be awesome, boy was I wrong.
Probably the worst finale ever. Now I have learned a valuable lesson: Never again to expect high standards from Smallville or the writers.
I sadly agree.
Timester
05-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Probably the worst finale ever. Now I have learned a valuable lesson: Never again to expect high standards from Smallville or the writers.
What? It took you 7 years to learn that? I learned it after Magnetic.
Mar-El
05-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Yeah I agree.
Which is sad.
I have a feeling thats how the series will end as well. They'll leave it open-ended hence why Al/Miles constantly said they'll never show Tom as Superman.
Then why even bother making the show?
This is just one long 8-season tease with no payoff? **** that. :(
ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva
05-14-2008, 08:11 PM
What? It took you 7 years to learn that? I learned it after Magnetic.
Sadly enough, yes it has taken me years to see the light.
I have given SV chance after chance to prove me wrong, but it never did...only on a few occasions it did live up to the hype..but certainly not tonight.
After tonight, I will never be as excited for a Smallville episode, ever.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/ist2_3178141_blank_note_post_it_to_.jpg
Ferd, do you have Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne in your avi?
And are you basically saying that you're done with "SV" now?
Poyntz
05-14-2008, 08:28 PM
Bad Finale.
Actually the beginning of the episode and stuff wasn't bad. But there were alot of WTF Moments. I didnt get Brainiac saying to Chloe..."i remember you". How could he of been playing Kara and not know who she was alll that time?? Huh??? ?
Also why did he say "what are you?" Did Chloe some how with her meteor ability cause Brainiac to weaken. If so she might of been the reason Clark could beat him so fast. There is Chloe saving our aliens tushy again lol
Also wtf having us know Chloe's ok by a 2 second phone call?? What did she do.. wake up and grab the phone???
I hate the ending of Chloe's story being she's snatched off to Jail... What would be really cool is if the arresting officer was George Dean from the alternate universe a few episodes back.
I hated Lois trying to get Clark into the Planet to replace Chloe at least thats how it felt. I think he should get into the Reporting on his own i guess. I also didn't like Lois comforting Clark. Cant' even explain why.
Didn't Clark propose to Lana in the alternate universe in his head with a plastic ring from a gum ball machine? So they used that idea now with Jimmy?
Whats going on the fortress?
I did like the Brianiac story line. and Lex was awesome showing so much coolness with Jimmy. (not sure how i feel about clark killing though even though they made a point in clark pointing out that he was a machine)
Ok thats all on my mind right now. I had to air it.
colonyofcells
05-14-2008, 08:42 PM
It was disappointing that after 7 seasons of clues about Clark's secret, Lex still needed the help of Brainiac to solve Clark's secret. It does seem like both Clark and Lex are really dumb.
theotherJane
05-14-2008, 08:53 PM
Wow...all I've gotta say is I hope they redeem themselves in the S8's opener. If not, then I most likely won't be watching. :/
aqgalaxy
05-14-2008, 08:54 PM
It was disappointing that after 7 seasons of clues about Clark's secret, Lex still needed the help of Brainiac to solve Clark's secret. It does seem like both Clark and Lex are really dumb.
Isn't that what happened in Season 5?
Ferd, do you have Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne in your avi?
And are you basically saying that you're done with "SV" now?
Yes, I am a Bruce/Lois shipper. ;) Why do you ask?
And I was making a Sex and the City reference with the post it in reply to the cheesy way Lana chose to end the Clana relationship.
I only watch SV nowadays for Erica clips to vid with. ;)
Yes, I am a Bruce/Lois shipper. ;) Why do you ask?
And I was making a Sex and the City reference with the post it in reply to the cheesy way Lana chose to end the Clana relationship.
I only watch SV nowadays for Erica clips to vid with. ;)
I asked because I liked the avi (both of them look good) but I wasn't sure that it was Batman. (I also like the Bruce/Lois ship... I played around with it in a Clois fan-fic I wrote.)
And now I get it - the post-it!! That's so funny... over at DI, we were guessing that Lana broke up with him on a post-it.
And watching "SV" for Erica scenes is a great reason to watch "SV". :)
txluvstom
05-14-2008, 09:09 PM
It was disappointing that after 7 seasons of clues about Clark's secret, Lex still needed the help of Brainiac to solve Clark's secret. It does seem like both Clark and Lex are really dumb.
Not that I like or agree with Clark's BDA nickname,but now I guess Lex should be known as BDB...BIG DUMB BILLIONAIRE.;)
Jade4813
05-14-2008, 09:15 PM
I asked because I liked the avi (both of them look good) but I wasn't sure that it was Batman. (I also like the Bruce/Lois ship... I played around with it in a Clois fan-fic I wrote.)
You should check out Ferd's vids. No kidding, some of the best I've ever seen. I stand in awe. Well...really, I sit in awe, because it's awkward to stand and work on my computer. But you get my point.
Check out...oh, any of hers, really. But "My Last Breath" (and its sequel) and "Dancing with the Dark Knight" are two of my all-time favorites, ever. Or, really, you could just pick any of her vids at random and I could gush over it. :D
Alexander III
05-14-2008, 09:16 PM
Yes, I am a Bruce/Lois shipper. ;) Why do you ask?
And I was making a Sex and the City reference with the post it in reply to the cheesy way Lana chose to end the Clana relationship.
I only watch SV nowadays for Erica clips to vid with. ;)
Omg...is that...Brois? Wow! :eek:
You should check out Ferd's vids. No kidding, some of the best I've ever seen. I stand in awe. Well...really, I sit in awe, because it's awkward to stand and work on my computer. But you get my point.
Check out...oh, any of hers, really. But "My Last Breath" (and its sequel) and "Dancing with the Dark Knight" are two of my all-time favorites, ever. Or, really, you could just pick any of her vids at random and I could gush over it. :D
Where do I find them? (I think I have seen some of Ferd's stuff in the past. Have you read her "Peaches" fan-fic? Hilarious stuff.)
Jade4813
05-14-2008, 09:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJjKfnKi14 is one of them...I happened to just be watching it. :D
You should check out Ferd's vids. No kidding, some of the best I've ever seen. I stand in awe.
Awww.. thanks so much!! That was very sweet of you to say. :D
And hehehe, yeah, I am a bit crazy with my Bats/Lois love. I manip them like mad, too. That's where the icon came from. ;)
OMG, I just saw "My Last Breath"... that's amazing, Ferd!! Daaammmnn..
Jade4813
05-14-2008, 09:24 PM
You watch the sequel??? You watch the sequel???
And yeah, btw, I have read the Peaches fic. The end still makes me snort soda out my nose.
Hehehehe thanks eas. ;) I feel all flattered, ya'll. :D
If you like sexy Brois this one is pretty hot (IMHO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdCrq0VCmI
and this one has Clark, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IaSlhx60G4
(and Peaches? HA! People still know that fic? :p )
Jade4813
05-14-2008, 09:25 PM
Awww.. thanks so much!! That was very sweet of you to say. :D
Hey, I have friends I NEVER call pretty much but to leave excited messages, "DID YOU SEE THE NEW FERD VID???? IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP...YOU GOTTA CHECK IT OUT!" as my voice hits octaves only dogs can hear. ;)
----- Added 2 Minutes later -----
(Oh, I should totally pimp this. If you wanna see another Brois vid, my friend made this one for me. *blush* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLiYKscrzck&feature=related
You should check it out because 1) it's awesome and 2) hey, I'm not too proud to express how shamelessly flattered I am by the fact that I'm the inspiration for it. He did this after he and I had been RPing some Brois (or he calls it Blayne) for a while. :D
Alexander III
05-14-2008, 09:30 PM
Hehehehe thanks eas. ;) I feel all flattered, ya'll. :D
If you like sexy Brois this one is pretty hot (IMHO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdCrq0VCmI
and this one has Clark, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IaSlhx60G4
(and Peaches? HA! People still know that fic? :p )
Brois was damn sexy. :eek:
Jade, you make me laugh! That is too funny. Guess I should get the next vid done already, then. :p
And I have seen your friend's vid. Nice job! :)
AlexanderIII Thanks so much. ;) I think they spark. ;)
Hehehehe thanks eas. ;) I feel all flattered, ya'll. :D
If you like sexy Brois this one is pretty hot (IMHO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdCrq0VCmI
Whooa.... awesome. (Now if only you could use your powers for good and come to the Clois side of the force. ;) )
----- Added 6 Minutes later -----
(Oh, I should totally pimp this. If you wanna see another Brois vid, my friend made this one for me. *blush* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLiYKscrzck&feature=related
You should check it out because 1) it's awesome and 2) hey, I'm not too proud to express how shamelessly flattered I am by the fact that I'm the inspiration for it. He did this after he and I had been RPing some Brois (or he calls it Blayne) for a while. :D
Aw, I loved it! Is it wrong that it immediately made me want to re-read my own fic - just the Brois parts??
Whooa.... awesome. (Now if only you could use your powers for good and come to the Clois side of the force. ;) )
:rotfl: Ha. Um...no. :p The Brois force is strong with me. ;)
Twitch
05-14-2008, 10:20 PM
Wow Ferd! I've seen and commented on your Brois art before but I've never seen your videos, they're amazing!!!!! Awesome editing!
Ayanne
05-14-2008, 10:23 PM
He isnt coming back but that was a crap exit after 7 years.
Whats worse is CW spoiled this halfassed ending in the clips they released.
Supermanhomepage confirmed from Mike himself that he won't be back....
Use this thread to convey your feelings about Michael's exit!
Seriously, what a crappy exit... I hated that his scenes were wasted on propping that idot Lois with Jimmy. WAY TOO LITTLE Focus on LEX.
Lex deserved better, as did Michael. :(
Thanks Twitch. ;) I appreciate that.
ShelbyKent
05-15-2008, 04:41 AM
So this is ALmiles' final parting gift? LOL! We shouldn't be surprised at the outcome!
I have a feeling that Almiles really wanted to leave the series finale as a huge cliffe so that it would open up opportunities for film/tv movie version in the future to really wrap things up in the future. JMHO.
redeem147
05-15-2008, 04:56 AM
I'm going to cut the writers some slack, because they were in a very difficult position. They had to finish the season quickly because of the strike (at least there was an opportunity to film a few more episodes, but not the full season). They didn't know at the time of writing if Lana, Lex or Chloe would be returning (and still aren't sure about Chloe). There was a shake-up with the showrunners (which affects the writers). I'm sure there was much tearing of hair in the writers' room.
Timester
05-15-2008, 05:04 AM
Lex deserved better.
Why did Lex deserved better? It was the perfect exit for him, he doesn't get arrested or enters in a coma, he is simply missing next season.
Lex was the most interesting character of the whole show, and MR one of the better actors.
He made Smallville fun to watch. I'll miss this Lex.
Mike Mancini
05-15-2008, 09:09 AM
It does kind of feel like the writers tried to cram everything they were gonna do in the latter half of the season into the episodes we got after the strike minus the 2. Minus Sleeper of course which had absolutely no point to it whatsoever. I found it really funny that a couple episodes ago Jimmy was able to take down secret agents and tonight he gets floored in five second from some government guy.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 09:56 AM
I feel sorry for Lex that he was defeated by a dumb building.
shadoo
05-15-2008, 10:03 AM
So er, Lex destroys the Fortress? And he says sorry? well this is good to know nine hours before events.
RichardMarx
05-15-2008, 10:54 AM
Why didn't Clark say something like "Lex, I've saved your life and others so many times", "I could have let you die on that bridge", or "I've always looked after you". Something, anything! Why did Clark even go to the fortress? Clark gave Lex no reasons.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 11:05 AM
The main problem I saw in the finale was the quickie from Thailand with love dvd of Kristin. It is unfortunate that the movie schedule of Kristin caused problems for Smallville.
Brainiac also suddenly became easy to find and easy to beat. It did feel like the writers were rushing to end Brainiac in the finale.
The highlight of the 7 seasons of Smallville was the ultimate confrontation between Lex and Clark. Lex and Clark just shouted their opinions at each other like forum posters. The building intervened and ended their boring shouting match.
Superman of Krypton
05-15-2008, 11:59 AM
Because Clark's a BDA.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 12:10 PM
The highlight of the 7 seasons of smallville was like :
the ultimate battle between dumb (Lex) and dumber (Clark).
Clark just walks into the Fortress waiting to be mind controlled and then Clark begs Lex not to mind control him.
Thank Rao the Fortress committed suicide and ended the whole thing.
Superman of Krypton
05-15-2008, 12:17 PM
It was hardly a highlight. The "I love you like a brother..." was the only noteable line from that scene and CW already spoiled it.
It was a whole lot of nothing.
lanalover6666
05-15-2008, 01:09 PM
I loved the show, until "Arctic". I was really hyped for the finale, had some friends over, had a few beers.. The first half was a boring filler which I thought was pretty cheesey. How many times has brainiac died? 4? But he always happens to come back. I'm guessing that that was lana's last episode, concidering it was a damn video recording.. I think lana is one of the hottest girls on that show, and we havent seen her in what? 5 episodes? Her send off wasent at all what it should have been.
The jimmy and chloe thing at the end there, took up about 5 minutes of what should have been lex and clark squaring off at the fortress. Speaking of the last scene.. WTF? I was looking forward to that moment since like 2nd season and they ruin it by making it 2 minutes long and having the worst cgi of the fortress collapsing. I used to love smallville.. but now I think Ill take a backseat and not pay too much attention to the train wreck that will most likely be season 8.
Just my thoughts.. what did you guys think
LoveHurts38
05-15-2008, 01:12 PM
Chill Like Bill..Lana will be back next season to take care of her arc.
ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva
05-15-2008, 01:14 PM
I loved the show, until "Arctic". I was really hyped for the finale, had some friends over, had a few beers.. The first half was a boring filler which I thought was pretty cheesey. How many times has brainiac died? 4? But he always happens to come back. I'm guessing that that was lana's last episode, concidering it was a damn video recording.. I think lana is one of the hottest girls on that show, and we havent seen her in what? 5 episodes? Her send off wasent at all what it should have been.
The jimmy and chloe thing at the end there, took up about 5 minutes of what should have been lex and clark squaring off at the fortress. Speaking of the last scene.. WTF? I was looking forward to that moment since like 2nd season and they ruin it by making it 2 minutes long and having the worst cgi of the fortress collapsing. I used to love smallville.. but now I think Ill take a backseat and not pay too much attention to the train wreck that will most likely be season 8.
Just my thoughts.. what did you guys think
Amen. I could run and hug you now for stating the untarnished & unvarnished truth.
I have said it countless times - this was the worst finale, ever.
The first half was very boring, second half..same as well.
I mean, even prior episodes were awesome..heck, Traveler and Apocalypse were better than the finale of ARCTIC.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 01:21 PM
I think they should have concentrated on Lex vs Clark in the finale. They could've wrapped up Brainiac at the end of Apocalypse.
Ryudo
05-15-2008, 01:22 PM
I loved the show, until "Arctic". I was really hyped for the finale, had some friends over, had a few beers.. The first half was a boring filler which I thought was pretty cheesey. How many times has brainiac died? 4? But he always happens to come back. I'm guessing that that was lana's last episode, concidering it was a damn video recording.. I think lana is one of the hottest girls on that show, and we havent seen her in what? 5 episodes? Her send off wasent at all what it should have been.
The jimmy and chloe thing at the end there, took up about 5 minutes of what should have been lex and clark squaring off at the fortress. Speaking of the last scene.. WTF? I was looking forward to that moment since like 2nd season and they ruin it by making it 2 minutes long and having the worst cgi of the fortress collapsing. I used to love smallville.. but now I think Ill take a backseat and not pay too much attention to the train wreck that will most likely be season 8.
Just my thoughts.. what did you guys think
If you want to complain about Lana, complain about Kreuk. The producers/writers didn't have a lot to work with.
Superman of Krypton
05-15-2008, 01:39 PM
That CGI was pretty bad
Black Man of Steel
05-15-2008, 03:44 PM
I agree 100%
This was probably the worst finale in the series entire existence. The cliffhanger didn't even have me worried... or anything it was just blah. I don't think I'm the only one but man... it better be as epic season 8 premiere.
Also it sorta confusing how season 8 will start... how the heck will Lex escape the north pole? Clark got shot or something... how will he escape? Wasn't properly planned at all in my opinion.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 03:55 PM
The season 8 premier will be boring also. After all the Veritas build up, nothing significant came out of the Fortress confrontation. Both Clark and Lex just need to go home and find some other thing to do with their lives. My guess is Clark saves Lex from the debris and just brings Lex home to recover.
Micheal Moon
05-15-2008, 04:56 PM
I liked Lex's line when he first saw Clark in the FOS
"Big step up from the barn eh Clark?"
:rotfl:
I'm gonna miss Lex. Now Lionel is gone too.
My two favourite characters to watch on the show are gone.
MR's Lex was the best representation of Lex I've seen in Superman media
TheANIMAL (marcus)
05-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Bad CGI makes me angry, very angry, the producers are supposed to save the ****ing budget for effects like that, yet they ****ed it up, how HOW HOW have they not improved on the fortress graphics in three seasons? Season 7 started so promisingly for effects, yet they did this at the end. Sh¡t.
My. God.
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 05:26 PM
Instead of bringing down the Fortress on Lex, Jor-El could've accomplished the same thing by hitting Lex with a hammer.
Kreukie
05-15-2008, 05:59 PM
If you want to complain about Lana, complain about Kreuk. The producers/writers didn't have a lot to work with.
Even if Kristin wasn't off trying to make a name for herself Thailand, away from Smallville... the producers would still would had done a crappy job at sending Lana off. :p
The_real_Lex_Luthor
05-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Farewell Mike! Thank you for always finding ways to inject some semblance of humanity into Lex. Now at last your journey as Lex ends, and generations will remember your performance as the quintessential Lex. Nuanced, charming, tragic, and ultimately, still worthy of redemption.
"You take the high road, and I'll take the low road. (http://www.imeem.com/people/9YQ-zBT/playlist/zpIwJC35/celtic_shore_music_playlist/)
And I'll be in Scotland before you. (http://www.imeem.com/people/9YQ-zBT/playlist/zpIwJC35/celtic_shore_music_playlist/)
But me and my true love shall never meet again, (http://www.imeem.com/people/9YQ-zBT/playlist/zpIwJC35/celtic_shore_music_playlist/)
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Loch Lomond." (http://www.imeem.com/people/9YQ-zBT/playlist/zpIwJC35/celtic_shore_music_playlist/)
Polomontana
05-15-2008, 07:21 PM
They could have ended it better than that.
We all know Lex will not be full time next year and there was no need for a cliffhanger. They should have ended it with a bang not a cliffhanger.
They had enough of a cliffhanger with Chloe being arrested, Lana leaving and Clark & Lois starting to show interest in each other.
Very Bad Climax to Clark and Lex back and forth.
jordeant1200
05-15-2008, 07:33 PM
lex learns clarks secret and the fos is destroyed thats not a weak ending thats an amazing ending!!!!!!!!!
Polomontana
05-15-2008, 07:39 PM
Who didn't know that was coming? That wasn't a bang, that was a whimper.
jimmyolsenblues
05-15-2008, 07:40 PM
i happened to have loved the ending, i wished there were more scenes with lex and clark together.
TECHWON
05-15-2008, 07:41 PM
i love the ending but i am a lil baffled that lex never put together sooner and neither did clark put it together sooner
Smit6178
05-15-2008, 07:42 PM
Personally, I found the last scene the only memorable scene in the episode.
Mar-El
05-15-2008, 07:42 PM
I wish the scene with Lex and Clark together (arguably one of the most pivotal moments in Smallville history) wasn't shorter than the Chimmy proposal and Edward Teague death scene.
Polomontana
05-15-2008, 07:42 PM
It was a horrible ending. If Michael is not coming back next year, there was no need for a Cliffhanger.
Karafan1
05-15-2008, 07:44 PM
lex learns clarks secret and the fos is destroyed thats not a weak ending thats an amazing ending!!!!!!!!!
It didn't look like the fortress was completely destroyed. It looked like it went back in the ground but the tips broke apart on the way down so there's probably a way to bring it back
LastSonKalEl
05-15-2008, 07:44 PM
yeah complete crap...they are going to time jump four months and explain that Lex is missing and Clark will know that he is actually buried somewhere in the Fortress....but how does destroying the Fortress "control" clark....I hope this isn't another lame cop out like when Clark and Zod fought for thirteen minutes or when Clark and Braniac fought for 13 minutes or when Clark and BIzarro fought for 13 minutes...I bet we will get a lame ass unfulfilling explanation next season in the teaser lol.....i hope not though bc sometimes they surprise us i'm hoping they will now...hopefully the new producers will prompt some better continuity...bc its always the same thing a huge lead up to a finale with a cliffhanger that is easily solved within the first episode of the series..and that to me is just crap
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i agree..it def should have been longer than all the stupid lana crap...again lana robs time from the real plot..even when saying good bye...i wish we could have just got that on the series premiere
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*season premiere of 8
Super Maverick
05-15-2008, 07:48 PM
i as pissed..
but then again i always am after every season finale
Aries83
05-15-2008, 07:49 PM
*Whew* I thought I was the only one who was underwhelmed. I wasn't necessarily mad about the ending, I was upset about everything before it.
Brainiac Kara wasn't necessary.
Lois had nothing to do.
Chloe didn't have enough screen time and her scene with Jimmy wasn't long enough before getting arrested.
The Clois hug was great, but seemed rushed and awkward.
I enjoyed Lana's farewell and Clark's reaction,
But the scene with Lex wasn't long enough and their conversation about Clark's secret barely scratched the surface.
I just sat there staring at the TV and asked: "Is that it?"
LastSonKalEl
05-15-2008, 07:50 PM
yup
aqgalaxy
05-15-2008, 07:57 PM
Lex Luthor, the villain, the evil guy, arch nemesis to Superman, and his last words are "I'm sorry"
Wasn't he supposed to be mean and evil?
MetropolisGirl4SV
05-15-2008, 08:01 PM
*Whew* I thought I was the only one who was underwhelmed. I wasn't necessarily mad about the ending, I was upset about everything before it.
Brainiac Kara wasn't necessary.
Lois had nothing to do.
Chloe didn't have enough screen time and her scene with Jimmy wasn't long enough before getting arrested.
The Clois hug was great, but seemed rushed and awkward.
I enjoyed Lana's farewell and Clark's reaction,
But the scene with Lex wasn't long enough and their conversation about Clark's secret barely scratched the surface.
I just sat there staring at the TV and asked: "Is that it?"
Thats exactly what I sad that's it? AND I agree especially about the Clois hug...it was cute but akward.
I predicted every move before it even happened...why do they always make us suffer like this. Seven years to this is just pathetic.... The dialog in the end with Clark and Lex was horrible...I love you like a brother, it just didn't come out right...I think MR was way to tired with SV to give his best in the end...or maybe I was just depressed that hes gone...I miss you already:(
Polomontana
05-15-2008, 08:02 PM
It was very weak.
The Lana scene was not needed. It was a throway scene because Lana is shooting Chung Li.
Lois just wandered in this episode.
Jimmy was descent because his story is connected to Chloe.
I thought Kara being Brainiac was pretty good.
Chloe was good as usual.
The ending was very weak. When I saw how much time was left before Clark and Lex met I knew it would be horrible.
RedKalEL
05-15-2008, 08:03 PM
I wish the scene with Lex and Clark together (arguably one of the most pivotal moments in Smallville history) wasn't shorter than the Chimmy proposal and Edward Teague death scene.
yea durign the chimmy propsal i was COME ON we got liek 5 mintues left here!
elway
05-15-2008, 08:04 PM
Horrible, Horrible, Horrible x20 WEAK!!!!!
Bizarro345
05-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Okay this finale is my least favorite finale of Smallville. Brainiac is at least resolved but that ending was weak! The fortress falls. Lex controls Clark. All predictable. Kara in the Phantom Zone(pretty much a rehash of Season Five's Finale), Lana leaves(again), and Chloe's arrested. Wow...I am dissapointed. Most of all of the writer's use of Kara. If they can't come up with an original storyline for her then just have her leave the show. Since she's been on she's done nothing but what Clark has already been through. Examples:'
1. Kara in the Phantom Zone. Clark's done that.
2. Kara with amnesia. Clark's had that a few times.
3. Manipulated by Brainiac. Clark's had that happen to him too.
For crying out loud! And what happened to those two characters they said would be returning? DISSAPOINTING!
RedKalEL
05-15-2008, 08:07 PM
it was good but there have been better finales to me this was like covenant where it only felt like a finale during the last 5 mintues
SteveS
05-15-2008, 08:07 PM
The fortress is not believably destroyed and Lex is not believably going to remember this 'struggle', it wasn't much of an ending.
BIGBLUE10789
05-15-2008, 08:09 PM
What did happen to the two characters returning. Or at least one of them! I didnt notice anyone returning, did anyone else!
Minela
05-15-2008, 08:09 PM
I'm jut confused as to MR's sendoff. He has to be in the premiere to resolve all this or else it is the most disappointing character send off, EVER.
RedKalEL
05-15-2008, 08:10 PM
What did happen to the two characters returning. Or at least one of them! I didnt notice anyone returning, did anyone else!
lana and kara
dru-zod2501
05-15-2008, 08:14 PM
What did happen to the two characters returning. Or at least one of them! I didnt notice anyone returning, did anyone else!
they were just talking about Lanas video "return" not the most exciting thing but hey, no more clana!
ClarkyBoy14
05-15-2008, 08:14 PM
lana and kara
Or Lana and Edward Teague
wallyK
05-15-2008, 08:27 PM
It was weak because the pivotal scene between Clark and Lex was short and anti-climatic. Lex shows up at the FOS with the device, and we know that a cliffhanger is coming, and there's only a few minutes left. Lex makes a silly speech and puts the orb in place. That's it. Apparently, only humans can use the crystal. Hence, there is an easy way for one of Clark's friends to rescue him. Yeah, they seem kind of unavailable right now, but I'm sure somebody will show up in just the nick of time.
mcrumiller
05-15-2008, 08:29 PM
This episode revealed all of the shortcomings of the writers. They don't know what it is that makes the fans love Smallville and what's really important to the show. They work too hard to service the teeny boppers, not realizing that the majority of their audience is a slightly older crowd who watch it more for the Superman mythos and less for the drama and relationships.
Here's my main gripes out this episode:
1. Jimmy Olsen had way, way too much screen time, and the writers/directors worked way, way too hard to make him "cute." That scene with Chloe near the end was pitiful! I can just imagine the directors thinking, "all the girls will think he's so cute, stumbling over chairs and trying to make sure Chloe's OK!"
2. The main villain, Brianiac, was pathetic. Here's what a real villain would do: forget Lex, grab a random civilian off the street and promise him $1,000,000 (which is easily obtainable), break into Lex's mansion, have the civilian grab the controller, and zoom him to the fortress. Lex is unnecessary.
3. The final showdown between Clark and Brainiac was, once again, about as anticlimactic as I could possibly imagine. Brainiac stands there and watches the electrical zappers of death descending on him? After all of these years of Brianiac wreaking havoc on Earth, he dies to electricity? Give me a break.
4. Clark stands there and watches Lex saunter over to the crystal in the fortress. Nevermind the time where he superspeeded down to South America in three seconds; nevermind the time he superspeeded across a football field to deflect a bullet in the air...nope, he's too slow to swat Lex's arm out of the way and protect the world for himself.
5. The "artistic leave the ending open." It wasn't artistic. They made it look like the writers had no idea what was going to happen. We ALL know that Lex isn't returning. So they just leave the scene with Lex lying underneath a collapsing fortress. Does this mean the "control Kal-El" was all a lie? It's one thing to leave a cliffhanger, it's another to leave the viewers completely in the dark with some mindless nonsense.
I have more gripes, but I'll keep them down. I feel really sorry for Michael Rosenbaum. Smallville worked really hard to give his character by far the most depth of the series. This episode should have addressed the mounting tension between Lex and Clark, the cataclysmic descent of Lex Luthor from hopefully curious to hopelessly evil, and (I guess) the astounding moment of truth when the truth about Clark is revealed. The entire point of Clark keeping his secret was so that people like Lex would not find out who he was and abuse his power. Lex finds out--whoop dee doo. I felt like eating a sandwich.
jazzylg
05-15-2008, 08:30 PM
It wasn't weak to me, just missing elements and way too short!;)
Shaftell
05-15-2008, 08:38 PM
What was the cliffhanger?
The FOS exploding or whatever?
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 08:42 PM
The writers run out of time on the Clex scene and just decided to blow everything up.
jimmyolsenblues
05-15-2008, 08:42 PM
yes i love the cliffhanger, the wind at the end with no music that was great writing.
dimeo782002
05-15-2008, 08:59 PM
Very disapionted and The ending explains nothing !
This was ahorible exit for lex luthor ! Lets hope they had some prerecorded stuff for the first ep because Mike has said he's not coming back at all ! im So upset this was the worst season finale .
shadoo
05-15-2008, 09:07 PM
This episode revealed all of the shortcomings of the writers. They don't know what it is that makes the fans love Smallville and what's really important to the show. They work too hard to service the teeny boppers, not realizing that the majority of their audience is a slightly older crowd who watch it more for the Superman mythos and less for the drama and relationships.
Here's my main gripes out this episode:
1. Jimmy Olsen had way, way too much screen time, and the writers/directors worked way, way too hard to make him "cute." That scene with Chloe near the end was pitiful! I can just imagine the directors thinking, "all the girls will think he's so cute, stumbling over chairs and trying to make sure Chloe's OK!"
2. The main villain, Brianiac, was pathetic. Here's what a real villain would do: forget Lex, grab a random civilian off the street and promise him $1,000,000 (which is easily obtainable), break into Lex's mansion, have the civilian grab the controller, and zoom him to the fortress. Lex is unnecessary.
3. The final showdown between Clark and Brainiac was, once again, about as anticlimactic as I could possibly imagine. Brainiac stands there and watches the electrical zappers of death descending on him? After all of these years of Brianiac wreaking havoc on Earth, he dies to electricity? Give me a break.
4. Clark stands there and watches Lex saunter over to the crystal in the fortress. Nevermind the time where he superspeeded down to South America in three seconds; nevermind the time he superspeeded across a football field to deflect a bullet in the air...nope, he's too slow to swat Lex's arm out of the way and protect the world for himself.
5. The "artistic leave the ending open." It wasn't artistic. They made it look like the writers had no idea what was going to happen. We ALL know that Lex isn't returning. So they just leave the scene with Lex lying underneath a collapsing fortress. Does this mean the "control Kal-El" was all a lie? It's one thing to leave a cliffhanger, it's another to leave the viewers completely in the dark with some mindless nonsense.
I have more gripes, but I'll keep them down. I feel really sorry for Michael Rosenbaum. Smallville worked really hard to give his character by far the most depth of the series. This episode should have addressed the mounting tension between Lex and Clark, the cataclysmic descent of Lex Luthor from hopefully curious to hopelessly evil, and (I guess) the astounding moment of truth when the truth about Clark is revealed. The entire point of Clark keeping his secret was so that people like Lex would not find out who he was and abuse his power. Lex finds out--whoop dee doo. I felt like eating a sandwich.
Opinions around this was a great episode, here's why.
1. Jimmy's time in the sun was perfect. I hated him before but now, he's my new fav, besides SBG(Solid Bottom Girl Chloe) and Brainiac. His silly some what misbegotten naivety wasn't just cool it was classic Jimmy. Brilliant.
2. Brainiac wasn't in my opinion pathetic. His narrow mindedness has been seen from his first appearance. He would have never included a human in anything since he hates humanity, has said so on numerous occasions. If it wasn't for Chloe, he would have done a bit more mischievous things. This isn't a testament to his lousiness, but rather it was clear direction towards Chloe's boundless potential. Brainiac isn't dead. Some part form or function of him exist somewhere and it will be back.
3. Again, Chloe screwed him over. He's not that pathetic, Chloe is simply that powerful. Chloe seems to have an empathic ability to attain the attributes of others( usually but not limited to injuries). Here's one for you; What did she attain from Brainiac?
4. Who says that when Clark heard Jimmy say Artic that Lex scene of approaching the crystal control rods wasn't happening. Besides Clark wanted to be careful and with good reason. The moment he came in the fortress the ball Lex held began to glow, for all Clark knew, coming to close to it would enable Lex to control him, and seeing the crystal control rods glowing in unison with the purple ball didn't help Clark either.
5. The Fortress began to collapse but seemed to have reverted or vanished somewhere else. My guess is that it may have reverted into ice or they may explain that Lex sent the fortress to the Phantom Zone. Whatever the case, I'm sure by season 8, the explanation will kick much @$$.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but, I feel completely opposite. If they say that the fortress fell into a pocket dimension or the phantom zone, it could explain how Lex is/was missing for most of next season. Even further, if they leave it as; fortress collapses but some how, Clark survives, Lex being missing can also be explained, or even if he's injured, their explanation of that would be believable. A lot of thought clearly went into this one, though at times it felt rushed, it was non the less done by the greatest creative team in television. Excelsior.
O yeah A Mack is coming back so I'm even more excited.
Superman of Krypton
05-15-2008, 09:13 PM
Bump.
I'm certain there won't be Michael Rosenbaum in the premiere..
We know officially that Lex has "disapeared" in Season 8.... so its unlikely he'll reappear after the Fortress collapse and disapear for a second time.
Jade4813
05-15-2008, 09:15 PM
That's insane. I mean, there are just too many questions unanswered if he doesn't show up for even a few minutes to wrap them up! IMO at least.
myankskent
05-15-2008, 09:16 PM
The ending did indeed suck. If MR was returning next season, I would probably think that the ending was the best ever. Also, the episode didn't end with a "To Be Continued", which confirms that the season 8 premier won't pick up from where the finale left off. It'll probably be 3 months later or something like that. That's how TPTB will be able to wiggle out of the Clex ending without having to worry about explaining all sorts of stuff. It's just very disappointing. They put so much into the Clex ending and next season, TPTB will totally ignore it and move onto something else, something probably far less interesting. JMHO.
SteveS
05-15-2008, 09:18 PM
I like that you pointed out how powerful Chloe really is and that power will be a main positive next year.
shadoo
05-15-2008, 09:27 PM
I like that you pointed out how powerful Chloe really is and that power will be a main positive next year.
Earlier we were talking about A Mack's relevance but now, I'm thinking she's more important than Lex. If Rosenbaum comes back for six episodes, that's more than enough episodes to explain his eventuality. Chloe though, will need three times that.
outsyder
05-15-2008, 09:55 PM
Okay, so last November I divorced myself from Smallville because I found it was going nowhere fast and blah-blah whatever. Earlier this year I was in mostly night classes so I stopped watching completely, DVRing only one or two episodes but other than the usual "Clark goes to alternate universe episode" I felt I wasn't missing out on much. Oh, and Lex kills Lionel because he refuses to give him a key (Of all the things- that's like the Christmas episode of Family Guy when Lois snaps over not having paper towels amongst utter chaos)
Now class is out of the way, so not being on the site or watching smallville for awhile and it being early in the month (for me anyway) I thought I'd check in at around the 4 minute mark seeing as that NBC was kind of slow and I watched tonights episode and when it went off I was like "WOW- that's going to be one hell of a season finale-" because, you know, it's setting up for the final confrontation between Lex and Clark because I HAVE heard of Rosenbaum not coming back and so I was all hyped up for next week being an hour-long brawl....
But it appears THAT was the season finale???
O_O
I mean, I know I was putting Smallville down but that was because they were advancing the story in a direction that was completely absurd- tonight I'm just..........wow..........really???
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a halfwit or anything but I'm just speechless, ALL of that buildup- ALL of those years of obligatory patience and futile relationship for:
Lana DUMPING Clark (AFTER ALL OF THAT- WHAT THE FU-) I mean, I was one of the ones hoping for this happen but I always thought it was CLARK who should dump her as to sort of "grow out of that phase" you know?
And the whole orb thing (from which I don't know much about other than it controls Clark) okay, there's been stranger things but that seems like the writers were like "Hmmm, Kryptonite is kind of old, don't you think for this final scene we need something menacing that will hold Clark at bay and make Lex on an equal playing field- but also progress the storyline?" "I KNOW- how about an item which deters Clark and threatens his life-" "EXCELLENT"
And finally, the fortress sinks??? Don't get me wrong, I mean yeah, they went out with a bang and all that but:
Season One: EPIC cutaway with the Tornado
Season Two: Clark Runs away, sucumbing to his plight and showing a lot of dimension with the red kryptonite, very deep.
Season Three: Clark goes away to presumably train as Superman, Lionel goes to prison- Chloe is presumably dead-
Season Four: All hell breaks loose and Clark graduates to what we believe is his role as Superman, and the Fortress of Solitude (big surprise)
Season Five: THE PHANTOM ZONE!!!
Season Six: BIZARRO
And finally...
Season Seven: The fortress of solitude sinks and presumable kills Clark and Lex O_o (Far more anti-climatic than it sounds)
o_o
I just don't have the same "Bring on next season" feeling as I did the last few seasons. Maybe it's because I haven't been around all season but does anyone else feel like this?
colonyofcells
05-15-2008, 10:03 PM
Please come back for the season 8 finale.
It will be Chloe and Clark dancing again. no more tornadoes and no more Lana.
svsabbiesv
05-15-2008, 10:05 PM
I was pretty upset too...I'm like are you kidding me!!!!!!!
ahhhhhhh I can't even think right now !
quellman
05-15-2008, 10:08 PM
yea that was a crazy "cliff hanger"
Mini Wolfsbane
05-15-2008, 10:09 PM
0___o
I thought it was a GREAT season finale and just left me wanting more.
I think this has to be the best cliff hanger ever of the series.
There better be an 8th season, otherwise I'm going to be so upset.
*Hopes for another season*
tejdog1
05-15-2008, 10:11 PM
It was lame. We got a few lines from Lex and Clark, then the FOS collapsing.
LAME AS HECK.
susangail
05-15-2008, 10:15 PM
For all those people who worried about how Lex was going to forget about Clark being the Traveler, a serious head injury would do it. It would also put Lex out of action for as long a time as TPTB needed.
What wasn't explained was what had happened to Clark, but I guess we know he'll survive pretty much intact.
For a starter, Jimmy hasn't had enough screen time this season, so I don't begrudge AA. But I'll be really disappointed if Chloe marries Jimmy. She humors him half the time, which is no way to conduct a relationship.
But I really liked the Chloe/Brainiac scene...
Lord_Balthaazar
05-15-2008, 10:25 PM
FoF, Full, of, Fail :(
oneal286
05-15-2008, 10:25 PM
Horrible ending to season 7
Millar/Gough are gone
Clana is over and so abruptly, better writing please! this decision by lana was so out of place and poorly developed that it is nauseating
Lex aka Michael Rosenbaum is gone
Lionel is gone
the Kents are gone
Smallvilles Lois sucks
the way season 7 ended up makes me regret seasons 4-7. i wish they had ended off with lex and clark as friends, because they did such a crappy job of them becoming enemies.
introducing supergirl was worthless. what has kara done this season other than take time away from the lex/clark chlark clana arcs that everyone cares about.
jimmy olsen, also a waste of time
thank you writers strike!!!
thank you cw! once the show switched to cw, everyone started going: john glover, annette o'toole, kristin kreuk, michael rosenbaum, miles millar, and al gough.
why couldnt you keep michael rosenbaum long enough to end the series with him???
what is superman? superman is superman versus lex. a series finale should have ended on a climactic clark/lex battle.
brainiac, who cares?
zod, who cares?
phantom zone, who cares?
teagues, who cares?
veritas, corny!!!
green arrow, AWESOME, but a distraction from clark/lex
WANHHHH!!!!!
LexLuv180
05-15-2008, 10:29 PM
i love the ending but i am a lil baffled that lex never put together sooner and neither did clark put it together sooner
I'm sure he had put it together. He dropped enough hints of that, he just needed a confirmation, which he finally got in this episode.
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I wish the scene with Lex and Clark together (arguably one of the most pivotal moments in Smallville history) wasn't shorter than the Chimmy proposal and Edward Teague death scene.
That's my main point. Why rush, edit, and cut that? When Smallville first started their relationship was to be one of the MOST important aspects of the show. For three seasons we saw that. Also, Lex has been a major character for seven years. I suppose they felt that deserved a five minute summation. :(
Atomic girl
05-15-2008, 10:31 PM
*Whew* I thought I was the only one who was underwhelmed. I wasn't necessarily mad about the ending, I was upset about everything before it.
Brainiac Kara wasn't necessary.
Lois had nothing to do.
Chloe didn't have enough screen time and her scene with Jimmy wasn't long enough before getting arrested.
The Clois hug was great, but seemed rushed and awkward.
I enjoyed Lana's farewell and Clark's reaction,
But the scene with Lex wasn't long enough and their conversation about Clark's secret barely scratched the surface.
I just sat there staring at the TV and asked: "Is that it?"Let's add the Lois getting Clark to work at DP for Lex onto that list and it should be complete...was that random or not?
LexLuv180
05-15-2008, 10:32 PM
Lex Luthor, the villain, the evil guy, arch nemesis to Superman, and his last words are "I'm sorry"
Wasn't he supposed to be mean and evil?
I'm glad they went that route because they're trying to show this Lex as demented and turned because of his delusions and ambitions, not 3-d comic evil. Clark was the last person he had cared about and that wasn't erased, but he's more consumed by power.
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For all those people who worried about how Lex was going to forget about Clark being the Traveler, a serious head injury would do it. It would also put Lex out of action for as long a time as TPTB needed.
What wasn't explained was what had happened to Clark, but I guess we know he'll survive pretty much intact.
For a starter, Jimmy hasn't had enough screen time this season, so I don't begrudge AA. But I'll be really disappointed if Chloe marries Jimmy. She humors him half the time, which is no way to conduct a relationship.
But I really liked the Chloe/Brainiac scene...
Why even have a "cliffhanger" about the survival of the main character? There's never a doubt he'll survive.
If Lex gets another head injury to explain the abrupt writing, it can only get worse from there.
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Earlier we were talking about A Mack's relevance but now, I'm thinking she's more important than Lex. If Rosenbaum comes back for six episodes, that's more than enough episodes to explain his eventuality. Chloe though, will need three times that.
But he has now said he's not coming back AT ALL.
MozartRequiem
05-15-2008, 10:36 PM
"The "artistic leave the ending open." It wasn't artistic. They made it look like the writers had no idea what was going to happen. We ALL know that Lex isn't returning. So they just leave the scene with Lex lying underneath a collapsing fortress. Does this mean the "control Kal-El" was all a lie? It's one thing to leave a cliffhanger, it's another to leave the viewers completely in the dark with some mindless nonsense."
Has anyone thought about the fact that Gene Hackman filmed all of his Lex Luthor scenes for "Superman II" during the time they filmed "Superman: The Movie", and then he went on his merry way on to other things as the rest of the actors filmed their scenes? Who says that can't be the surprise twist with Lex? Maybe MR already filmed his ACTUAL final scene, which we will see in the premiere.
I just don't think they could be stupid enough to leave it this way without any resolution on screen. You all may have some negative opinions about the writers and producers at times, but they'd have to be pretty inexperienced in the TV industry to just leave it at that, IMO.
Harrison_Bergeron
05-15-2008, 10:39 PM
I bet a lot of people are wishing we could go back a couple weeks to Sleeper. This episode was lame. Instead of wasting half the episode, a whole 15 minutes, dealing with contract nonsense so the next season wouldn't suck they should have dealt with the actual stories already on the table. How does the phrase go? Shooting your horse to save your cow?
The only scene I like was the Clois one, but even that was botched because they didn't giver her a reason to be there. It was like like they thought, "Ooh, this will be really symbolic, closed door, open window stuff, the fans will love it" But didn't take the time to come up with a reason for the scene in the context of the episode.
Doomtender pissed me off, but with this debacle of a finale I am making it official: Unless there is absolutely nothing else to do Thursdays at 8pm I won't be a returning regular for SV. Between the 30 minute episodes, the ridiculous product placement, the poor writing, and the clear disdain for the fans it is clear that making advertising dollars is the sole purpose of SV. DC needs to pull the plug on this nightmare before Superman suffers anymore irreversible damage.
chlark fan
05-15-2008, 10:44 PM
SO many horrendous things about this finale. It wouldn't have made a decent normal epi but for a finale..just HORRIBLE!!!
Chloe I guess just has no interest in journalism anymore..she is officially JUST Clark's sidekick while Lois is hardcore into investigative reporting. pffft :rolleyes: Lois trying to convince Clark to apply for a job at the DP, effectively replacing Chloe, was just epically annoying!!!
What was with the ending when Lois just happened to walk into the Kent house to find Clark watching Lana's farewell tape?? Shouldn't she have been with her cousin/close friend who just got off life support??!!? Oh wait, that would have made it hard to have the utterly contrived, pathetic Clois moment immediately following the demise of Clana. :rolleyes:!!!
Oh and everything else about this episode sucked too.
Mackdaddy
05-15-2008, 10:47 PM
SO many horrendous things about this finale. It wouldn't have made a decent normal epi but for a finale..just HORRIBLE!!!
Chloe I guess just has no interest in journalism anymore..she is officially JUST Clark's sidekick while Lois is hardcore into investigative reporting. pffft :rolleyes: Lois trying to convince Clark to apply for a job at the DP, effectively replacing Chloe, was just epically annoying!!!
What was with the ending when Lois just happened to walk into the Kent house to find Clark watching Lana's farewell tape?? Shouldn't she have been with her cousin/close friend who just got off life support??!!? Oh wait, that would have made it hard to have the utterly contrived, pathetic Clois moment immediately following the demise of Clana. :rolleyes:!!!
Oh and everything else about this episode sucked too.
Yay Megan!!!:rotfl::rotfl: Spot on!:p
MozartRequiem
05-15-2008, 10:49 PM
Everyone, try not to worry.
I think that is what they WANT us to do. See, they want us to be like, "WTF? There MUST be more!" And then when we come back, they will give us the resolution to the Clark and Lex scene.
MR said he wouldn't be returning, true, but that doesn't mean he didn't FILM the scenes for the premiere already in advance. ;)
AlwaysRight
05-15-2008, 10:50 PM
Lois trying to convince Clark to apply for a job at the DP was just epically annoying!!!
Yeah the idea of Clark Kent Working at the DP is just stupid
MackLove
05-15-2008, 10:50 PM
For a second there, I thought when Lex put the orb in to the crystals that Clark was going to be "super" energized and Lex would get hit on the head and the last scene would be Clark flying Lex out of the crumbling FOS.
I thought that was going to be really corny. BUT! after seeing the real ending...I think I am going to apply for a writing position. That was the worst finale yet.
I loved that they narrowed the field down to the real Superman cast, but they could have done WAY better. Seven seasons and Chloe gets arrested for hacking? Sure, she'll be back next year for what I assume will be a few behind bars cameos, but that is a terrible end for her.
Lana just says, "I'm out." Really TPTB? And why is she coming back? I'm done with her.
Have you ever noticed that Clark never actually does anything anymore? He stares out of the barn, makes hospital visits and, well, he's probably the most selfish charater on the show. And what was the purpose of him being SOOO opposed to the internship at the Planet?
I could go on forever, but I guess all in all, it was better than the Sopranos series finale.
chlark fan
05-15-2008, 10:53 PM
Sarcasm noted :rolleyes: In that same tone I could say:
Yeah Chloe suddenly having no interest in journalism after dreaming of it her whole life and wanting nothing more than to be a reporter makes total sense. :)
And Lois trying to push Clark into journalism is SO part of the Superman mythos :)
[end sarcasm]
CrashRoy
05-15-2008, 11:09 PM
This episode was horrible! It was slow, boring, very little changes happened (most were expected), and speaking of… nothing unexpected or exciting happened. It just was not epic enough. Just one calorie, not epic enough.
*minor spoilers below*
Lana is alive and well (and leaving). Shocker. What did anybody actually think she would die or be a vegetable? She is Lana freaking Lang! She is a main character in the Superman Mythology and so is Lex. They WILL NOT DIE. Same goes for Lex knowing Clarks secret. Lex isn’t supposed to know and never will. Lex finds out Clarks secret. Really? Come on!? How long will this last until Lex somehow forgets? Brainiac is gone, for now. The Fortress is destroyed... oh my! Ten buck says it will back by the 2nd episode of season 8. It's The freaking Fortess of Solitude! It's not going anywhere. It will be back. Who do they think they are fooling??
Everything was slow and uneventful.
To summarize: this season finale sucked.
xrayvision
05-15-2008, 11:23 PM
You can say that again. Blew chunks.
ChronX4
05-15-2008, 11:27 PM
Lana Lang isn't a main character in Superman mythology..............and Lex knows his secret in some adaptations of it.
outsyder
05-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Whoa- I'm not saying I don't WANT another season- it's just that after that I didn't get the same "Oh hell yea" moment that I did when I saw Clark running into the tornado, Clark being sent to the Phantom Zone, Bizarro flying out all crack-faced and such, when I saw the FOS sinking it was just like "Damn, that's like a very cruel inside joke".
And I didn't even think about all of the stuff that BARELY happened this episode-
REALLY?! Lois just sprang out the application on tonight's episode- you mean the one I JUST saw???? I thought that was something that had been occuring throughout the season that I didn't get to see or something, wow.
This is what happens when you have different writers on each episode x_x this is why I can't watch Heroes or Lost, it's like every other episode has it's own continuity.
sherban1988
05-16-2008, 12:34 AM
While it was interesting, i agree I don't have that sence of... urgency for time to pass. With the S6 finale I was hyped up for 2 days afterwars, blabing about it to all my friends, even if they didn't know what smallville was :lol:
Now, I'm like... "Meah... "
Tell you the truth, I'm more excited about Clois next season and Doomsday rather than finding out what happened to Clark and Lex.
tarrow21
05-16-2008, 12:41 AM
it's not Smallville that's gotten worse ppls, it's our attitudes. w/ all the negativity circling season 8 and lex leaving, 'course we're gonna watch it with a critical eye.
or it could be just that I was expecting so little out of it that it actually exceeded my expectations..
boywithbluehanger
05-16-2008, 12:50 AM
Wow I'm glad this thread is here, I felt like there was no where to go for people who understand that this finale doesn't hold up to the finales passed. Compared to the others this was awful.
Luckily for the thread starter, he/she didn't stick around for the entire season because the Kara portion was worthless imo, Clana was pointless, there was basically no twist to Lionel and all the spoilers about the MB returns was crap (as I thought), Chloe has no real journalism future....this season sucked compared to the others.
I want to blame the writers strike but last summer I specifically remember saying that Kara being on this show probably means the stories will suffer because logically speaking: you have to BS a lot of episodes to either make Clark look weaker than her or dumb down Clark AND Kara when confronting their enemies. They ended up doing both. This season was a waste. The Bizarro cliffhanger was awesome last year but the follow through was a cop-out.
The skimping out on creative writing was reflected by the average of over 1 million viewers that dropped from the show this season. That's a fourth of the general audience from last season...and honestly, after watching S7 there's no need to be surprised. I can't believe the CW execs are going to run Smallville further into the ground by considering a season 9!
chlark fan
05-16-2008, 01:00 AM
REALLY?! Lois just sprang out the application on tonight's episode- you mean the one I JUST saw???? I thought that was something that had been occuring throughout the season that I didn't get to see or something, wow.
Yep, just out of the blue! Chloe got fired from the Daily Planet and Lois didn't say one darn thing against it..now all of a sudden its "Hey Clark why don't you come work at the Daily Planet and replace Chloe's pathetic ass and then one day Chloe can die and me and you can get married" :rolleyes: Well she didn't say that, but she may as well have!
newfan
05-16-2008, 03:50 AM
What was with the ending when Lois just happened to walk into the Kent house to find Clark watching Lana's farewell tape?? Shouldn't she have been with her cousin/close friend who just got off life support??!!? Oh wait, that would have made it hard to have the utterly contrived, pathetic Clois moment immediately following the demise of Clana. :rolleyes:!!!
I do agree this finale was not thrilling at all! But having said that..I liked that scene! Im glad Lana is gone, as sad as it was to watch Clarks heart break and all..Im glad she is out of the way and they can start concentrating on Clark and Lois hopefully next season. Bring on the Clois!! :D
maryjanewatson
05-16-2008, 04:03 AM
This finale was kind of full of crap. I spent most of the episode just going "WHAT?! this is so stupid!"
shadow4486
05-16-2008, 04:26 AM
it's not Smallville that's gotten worse ppls, it's our attitudes. w/ all the negativity circling season 8 and lex leaving, 'course we're gonna watch it with a critical eye.
or it could be just that I was expecting so little out of it that it actually exceeded my expectations..
No, I don't think that's the case. I love Smallville...and I mean LOVE the show. So much so that I'm turning a blind eye (as best I can) at some of the failed storylines of this season. Shoot, my wife stopped watching cause she says it sucks but I don't need her negativity right now. My eye is as open as you can get, and not that critical. But this ending left me yelling at the screen.
And let's not talk about the plausibility of the whole Clex ending. Now I'm sure we'll get the explaination for how Lex is controlling clark, if he is still alive. But we know he won't be on the show so the Powers will probably glaze that one over. How will they get around the "the fortress is collapsing and big a** pieces of ice are falling inches away from us and we somehow will survive" part of this. We saw it with Martha and Jonathan after the aliens landed and the Teagues were killed but these people cannot keep surviving like this. It doesn't make any sense.
It seems to me that the writers and the show runners just wanted to get out of this episode (and this season) quickly, then they can regroup over the summer.
I dunno. Maybe if I sat back and examined it critically I would think it wasn't that bad but as a person who saw it live for the first time, I was kinda let down.
It may not have been AS bad if not for the fact that the episode description gave us every last detail of the episode. It's like the creative minds over there decided, "Last season's finale script got leaked so let's just tell everyone what's going to happen so we don't have that problem again." (How much better would the whole Brainiac twist/Kara in the PZ thing have been if we didn't know about it?) Of course this episode did not stand out in the least among the show at large, much less season finales. I wouldn't say it was the worst episode I've seen, but probably the worst finale (I'll have to go back and watch a few more times before I make my final judgment) and just a huge disappointment all around.
chlark fan
05-16-2008, 04:50 AM
I do agree this finale was not thrilling at all! But having said that..I liked that scene! Im glad Lana is gone, as sad as it was to watch Clarks heart break and all..Im glad she is out of the way and they can start concentrating on Clark and Lois hopefully next season. Bring on the Clois!! :D
"not thrilling" is an understatment :p I'm glad Clana is finished too, believe me. However, I am so not ready for Clois!!! WANT CHLARK :CRIES: :( :mad:
----- Added 1 Minutes later -----
This finale was kind of full of crap. I spent most of the episode just going "WHAT?! this is so stupid!"
Yep..me too. Like when Lois was trying to talk Clark in to applying at the Daily Planet...:rolleyes: Where the flip did that come from?!? Now we're just witnessing Clois for the sake of Clois...it's pathetic!
CrashRoy
05-16-2008, 10:10 AM
Lana is alive when Superman appears. Hince, she can not die before Clark becomes Superman.
Episode blew chunks as 'xrayvision' put it.
Smallvillebabe08
05-16-2008, 10:35 AM
What are you talking about?!?! THIS EPISODE RULED!:D
Kal-alien
05-16-2008, 10:40 AM
I didn't think it was all that bad. Yes, they are toying with mythos a bit, and it would be boring if they didn't. Plus, I imagine there are many people watching who have smallville as their first and only source of anything to do with superman, who may not know a lot of the things that your almighty self seems to know.
Yes it was not as strong as some of the past finales, but with the Writer's strike, i wasn't expecting a miracle.
Humdinger
05-16-2008, 10:43 AM
I wasn't expecting a miracle, either, but we could have at least had a blasting good finale since most of the main characters aren't returning for 8. Is that really too much to ask? The finale was lame.
GL2814
05-16-2008, 10:54 AM
This was probably one of the worst episodes in a long time. Worst Season Finale, ever. It blew some serious chunks. It was not even Velveta Cheese. It just blew chunks & I want the hour of my life back.
sithius
05-16-2008, 11:12 AM
A 2 minute (more like 1 probably) dialogue between Lex and Clark then an abysmal ending that makes no sense as MR isn't coming back. I don't care what anyone says, that is not a cliffhanger. It's just messed up.
Who agrees? I was really disappointed with this episode.
As a side note, I just read a statement from the CW regarding Smallville season 8 starting later this year: 'Last season, Clark Kent and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum) became the sworn enemies that comic book aficionados have always known and loved.'
LOL! Do they even watch the show they promote? I didn't know that saying 'I love you like a brother' constitutes sworn enemies; likewise with Clark saying he will always look out for the good in Lex.
MetropolisGirl4SV
05-16-2008, 11:15 AM
I agree, but I have given up and lost my energy if you see my other posts you will understand. I don't want to dwell or further on this...I'm just tired it's over thats it. Lets see what they have in store for next season.
Ryudo
05-16-2008, 11:15 AM
The cliffhanger wasn't their best, but overall I thought the episode was damned good.
cksidekick
05-16-2008, 11:17 AM
well, i can't say i was disapointed with the epi as a whole, but yeah, i thought the Lex/Clark face off was WAAAAAAAAAAY too short...
i'm with ya!
did i wait 7 years for THAT?
Dor el
05-16-2008, 12:31 PM
I think that our expectations were elevated way beyond where they should have been because of the blasted, leave next to nothing for the element of surprise position taken by the CW. It's hard to make a shock and awe episode when there is no shock due to excessive spoilers and a complete episode summary in the CW description. I'm hoping that as someone said above, that the producers and writers can regroup, collect their thoughts, and come up with some good entertainment for next season. I didn't hate the episode, I just was not surprised by anything except by the Chloe takes down Brainiac scene. Had more parts been a surprise, we might not be so ho hum about the episode. There were good things about the episode. The good things just didn't seem to go together very well. The good: dead Clana, Lex finally finds out and confronts Clark, Chloe whoops up on Brainiac, Clark whoops up on Brainiac, Lex takes down Clark and the FOS, maybe Kara is gone (I had a hard time relating to this character after the second episode of the season), Clark uses one of his abilities (all by himself) to find out who took down the plane and with it ET, ET is gone; and did I mention Clana is dead (I thought KK did a good job with this video breakup.)? The worse part for me was the out of the blue proposal and the "get a job at the DP moment" by Lois. Where did those things come from? I actually liked the effects of the FOS sinking/crumbling into the frozen tundra of the Arctic. The big cliff hanger, I think, is where do they go from here? Not that characters are in peril (except for maybe Kara, but I'm OK with her exiled to the PZ.) or death and destruction are rampant. What does Clark do now with the rest of his life? How does he get from the pits of where his life is now to the climax of his life as Superman? I, for one, am curious.
nk_84
05-16-2008, 12:55 PM
He isnt coming back but that was a crap exit after 7 years.
Whats worse is CW spoiled this halfassed ending in the clips they released.
Supermanhomepage confirmed from Mike himself that he won't be back....
Use this thread to convey your feelings about Michael's exit!
yup, so crap! MR is gone and that's how they finished it.
Don't be surprised if at end of season 8 to finish the whole thing off, it will be something very similar indeed. A let down.
Super Maverick
05-16-2008, 02:14 PM
Brainiac Kara wasn't necessary.
It was a way to have both characters be part of the show. Now we know what happened to her. Plus, fans complain when there is no Kara.
Lois had nothing to do.
She consoled Clark after the Lana breakup, foreshadowing Clark & Lois' future relationship.
Chloe didn't have enough screen time and her scene with Jimmy wasn't long enough before getting arrested.
I know I'm in the minority on this, but Chloe is irrellevent. Now that we have Lois, I could care less if they end up deciding not to renew AM's contract.
The Clois hug was great, but seemed rushed and awkward.
I might agree with this, but really everything seemed rushed. They could have easliy turned this into a 2 hour season finale.
I enjoyed Lana's farewell and Clark's reaction,
But the scene with Lex wasn't long enough and their conversation about Clark's secret barely scratched the surface.
See above.
yup, so crap! MR is gone and that's how they finished it.
I am fairly certain this was written and filmed and in the can before they knew he was not coming back.
jimmyolsenblues
05-16-2008, 02:17 PM
everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I loved the ending.
INSTAGATR
05-16-2008, 02:18 PM
Wow I'm glad this thread is here, I felt like there was no where to go for people who understand that this finale doesn't hold up to the finales passed. Compared to the others this was awful.There's WAY more stupidity that happened before the finale. The finale was just the cherry on top.
madcatlady
05-16-2008, 05:22 PM
I felt disappointed this season that everything Clark did was reactionary - he never takes the initiative and mopes around until he absolutely has to do something. Everything is brought to him, DP job offer, Lana's breakup, weakened Brainiac, Jimmy's info that Lex was going to the Arctic....
I watched this show live, and when it was 8:50 and Clark hadn't made it to the FoS yet, I got really antsy and knew it was going to be a terribly disappointing short end scene between Clark and Lex. Besides the Braniac/Chloe scene, the only other thing that excited me was the Dark Knight commercial.
marauderman
05-16-2008, 06:04 PM
This season finale reminded me of when Chloe steps in to a safe house, and suddenly the house explodes. Watching Chloe being consumed by flames. Only to have the show open the next season show that there was actually more than enough time for them to escape. I think next season's opener will happen the same way. They'd change something to show that Clark and Lex actually had time to get out of the Fortress.
SuperKyptonGirl13
05-16-2008, 06:20 PM
The ending was pretty lame , but overall i thought this episode was cool :)
ginnyfan
05-16-2008, 06:22 PM
*crosses fingers that Michael Rosenbaum won't get work and so... will shave his head and return as a guest star*
I know it's evil but... I can't help it!!! :(
*cries*
rajabell808
05-16-2008, 06:24 PM
There was just not enough time left for the confrontation. The Clois moments were not needed; it just seemed like the writers were trying to put some in just to put some in there. For a secondary main character, Jimmy was overused. No idea why the proposal was in there. The Clana ending should have been saved for the premeire next year or the second episode. All those things could have been cut to add to the ending or more to the fight with Brainiac. However, I do think they should have at least included a scene of Lex actually going through the arctic and finding the outside of the fortress since they stressed the search teams getting lost in the begining of the episode. The Chloe vs. Brainiac scene was the best part i think thou
ginnyfan
05-16-2008, 06:40 PM
I completely agree with you rajabell808. Well except that for me the Lex/Clark scene was the best part of the episode by far. Chloe/Brainiac was pretty cool though. When I finished watching I thought of Wither which set up all the relationships for Season 6. There seemed to be a lot of relationship development in this episode. It didn't hold up well as a finale. Again, if MR were returning I'd be singing a different tune.
Dor el
05-16-2008, 06:44 PM
I just don't get this fixation with MR/Lex. MR does not walk on water, and he had some pretty mundane performances just like everyone else has. I will grant that MR is the best Lex Luthor...ever. But, he was not the entire show. Does the importance of the remaining characters not matter at all? When I first started watching SV, I tuned in because I found out it was about Superman-his younger days. I would most likely have never tuned in for The Rise and Fall of the Ever Evil Lex Luthor. The reason I watch is still there, and I have hope that season 8 will be enjoyably entertaining. Why borrow worry and misery now? We can wait and see. It's not like the chance of a great season 8 is zero. I think Lex has completed his journey. He has arrived. He is deliciously delusionally evil. Now, why don't we give Clark a chance?
ginnyfan
05-16-2008, 06:49 PM
Huh?
I want MR back not because he's perfect and my only reason for watching the show but because that last scene was like Lex throwing down the gauntlet. Next season Lex and Clark would be going at each other as full enemies. I do want to see Clark. I'm sticking around to see Clark. I just feel that the Lex/Clark rivalry is the heart of the series right behind Clark's journey toward Superman.
I guess I was just saying that this was an episode written with the assumption that Lex would be back. If that were the case I would love it. But since MR decided not to return, they should have refocused the episode. But they didn't.
I love Clark too. I can't wait to see him fight villains next season and maybe get into journalism. But I'd be much more excited to see him go head to head (toe to toe?) with Lex Luthor. Full on enemies.
*sniff*
NoSupeForYou
05-16-2008, 06:59 PM
Anyone else think that Lex calling Clark Kal-el at the end was weird? Also, not only was Jor-el silent when Lex walked in, even after apparently making his other teams disappear, but the control panel was flashing like a beacon. I don't think that device controls him at all.
By the way, did Clark have a runway built next to the FOS, because it sure seemed easy for Lex to walk over there from the plane. Is the FOS part of the airport giftshop up in the Arctic?
mistaguitarmasta
05-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Worst finale? Are you kidding? They've all been awesome, this one included. I will admit, I was watching the clock nervously toward the end wondering if they were gonna have time to show Clark & Lex at the FoS. The last scene was too short, and the very end took me by surprise. I saw the FoS collapse and then expected something else to happen. The prolonged silence just made it seem like they were about to cut away to some other characters in danger, and then return to Clark & Lex, at which point the cliffhanger would be revealed. I was watching with a friend, and when Al& Miles' names came up I literally shouted "WHAT?!"
That said, it was a great finale.
MozartRequiem
05-16-2008, 08:16 PM
"A 2 minute (more like 1 probably) dialogue between Lex and Clark then an abysmal ending that makes no sense as MR isn't coming back. I don't care what anyone says, that is not a cliffhanger. It's just messed up.
Who agrees? I was really disappointed with this episode."
There is still the possibility that MR filmed his scenes for the premiere AHEAD of time, the way Gene Hackman did for Superman: II, and then left on his merry way for other pursuits. I can't rule that possibility out. Just because MR isn't coming back, that doesn't mean Lex won't be back for the premiere, or at least one of the flashback scenes in it.
"As a side note, I just read a statement from the CW regarding Smallville season 8 starting later this year: 'Last season, Clark Kent and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum) became the sworn enemies that comic book aficionados have always known and loved.'
LOL! Do they even watch the show they promote? I didn't know that saying 'I love you like a brother' constitutes sworn enemies; likewise with Clark saying he will always look out for the good in Lex.""
IMO, Lex and Clark's enmity does not need to equate to absolute hatred with no remorse.It's like Moses and Ramasese in "The Prince of Egypt" (a film adaptation of the story of Moses freeing the slaves from his non-biological brother, Ramsese). Despite their utter hatred for what the paths they chose to follow, it doesn't cancel out all the love they had in the past. It's part of what makes their relationship so three-dimensional, and so filled with different emotions. Therefore, when the rivalry is played out, it's not just one-note and flat. It's filled with different elements of bittersweet loss on both sides.
Leviathan
05-16-2008, 09:14 PM
The whole episode what about 10 story arcs all just slapped together in 40 minutes... a very crappy 40 minutes.
PepsiMax
05-16-2008, 09:32 PM
It was good but weak. :\
The whole episode should have been about Lex and Clark and more then 5 min (if it was even 5 min) should've been devoted to that last scene,
In some way it really brought out Lex from the sidelines having him find out Clarks secret, FOS and gain control but it could have been emphasized some more.
It was dissapointing to say the least, have the writers' imagination seriously run dry this much?! :rolleyes:
mmortal03
05-16-2008, 11:31 PM
Well i doubt he could do much, did anyone else notice that as the purple ball of doom came closer, he seemed to get weakened, almost like kryptonite?
Yeah, that's what I didn't get, was why Clark didn't just speed over to Lex and snatch the orb? It seemed like Clark was reeled over next to the piece of rock he was by, like the orb was made of kryptonite or something. I couldn't figure it out.
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Why didn't Clark say something like "Lex, I've saved your life and others so many times", "I could have let you die on that bridge", or "I've always looked after you". Something, anything! Why did Clark even go to the fortress? Clark gave Lex no reasons.
Yeah, that scene required way too many ambiguities to work. They could have done something much more coherent. I figured Clark would have mentioned something to Lex about Braniac impersonating Kara, since Clark knew that Kara had gone after Lex earlier in the episode. And he should have said what you mentioned, that he had saved Lex many times.
That would have been more convincing, to have Lex choose between either trusting Clark or trusting Braniac. Lex has usually been good at sensing deception, but here he was just fooled way too well by Brainiac, and went right along with what Braniac wanted him to do, without any second guessing. I just don't see how Lex would take such a drastic action like that against Clark, a person he had known so long.
I guess the betrayal of their friendship over the course of the season is finally complete.
Dor el
05-17-2008, 07:56 AM
Huh?
I want MR back not because he's perfect and my only reason for watching the show but because that last scene was like Lex throwing down the gauntlet. Next season Lex and Clark would be going at each other as full enemies. I do want to see Clark. I'm sticking around to see Clark. I just feel that the Lex/Clark rivalry is the heart of the series right behind Clark's journey toward Superman.
I guess I was just saying that this was an episode written with the assumption that Lex would be back. If that were the case I would love it. But since MR decided not to return, they should have refocused the episode. But they didn't.
I love Clark too. I can't wait to see him fight villains next season and maybe get into journalism. But I'd be much more excited to see him go head to head (toe to toe?) with Lex Luthor. Full on enemies.
*sniff*
Oh, I see. I agree that to watch Lex and Clark go at it full force without anyone (Lana) getting in their way for a full season could have been tremendous. Think of the deception, the treachery, the manipulation, the calculations, the trauma, the one-up-manship, the battles, the wins, the losses... (Heavy sigh) I misunderstood I guess. It seemed to me that so many posters were saying that without MR SV would be a total waste of time. That is what I wanted to refute. Not that Lex vs Clark would not be delicious. To watch the two of them go at it...would be awesome. I think MR could have made an even greater mark on his acting repertoire, although I believe he has proven that he can be a formidable actor already. I realize that MR wants to do other projects, and I completely understand that, but the fans have put a lot of support into his career and he has had the opportunity to prove himself because of fan support. Since there is gonna be an eighth (and most likely final) season, I wish MR could have given us more time for a proper send off for both himself and for TW. They both seem to be at their best when they are facing off with each other. That being said, I am not ready to give up on SV just because MR won't be there. This is the point I was trying, and obviously failing, to make.
The writers were rushed when writing the last 5 episodes and for that reason, I didn't expect the writing to be flawless. I wasn't disappointed in that regard. However, I think that the story during the finale was set up to be an epic season long battle between Clark and Lex, and now that will not come to fruition. This is a disappointment. I think that many of the posters recognize the potential that has been lost and for that reason were greatly let down by the episode.
ginnyfan, here, take this cyber tissue. I have plenty.
jimmyolsenblues
05-17-2008, 08:00 AM
i miss lex too already..... you think michael rosenbaum would have us over for drinks and a pot luck, I would just like to try to talk him into another season. I can dream can't I?
chlark fan
05-17-2008, 08:15 AM
Drinks and a pot luck? :rotfl:
That would be awesome :)
Dor el
05-17-2008, 09:37 AM
Don't forget my invitation.
FlashInSV
05-17-2008, 10:25 AM
Such a shame MR is leaving the show. He was truly a great actor. MR, you're always be Lex in our hearts! Good luck in the future
Crusader
05-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Anyone know where they went?? lol
Theshadow129x
05-17-2008, 11:08 AM
i liked the dialog between Clark and Lex but Al/Miles made that ending deliberately to see how the writers next season would get themselves out of it.
shadoo
05-17-2008, 12:10 PM
But he has now said he's not coming back AT ALL.
That's wrong, Rosenbaum should come back for at least three episodes, otherwise he's just lifting a finger to all of his so called fans. If you love your fans you'll come back to a few episodes then gracefully vanish forever. After all, what he does now shall impact his career for years to come. Fans will love him more if he corrects his characters apparent misfortunes and leave the show with Lex Luther coming into his own.
bc1sjw
05-17-2008, 12:22 PM
Sadly enough, yes it has taken me years to see the light.
I have given SV chance after chance to prove me wrong, but it never did...only on a few occasions it did live up to the hype..but certainly not tonight.
After tonight, I will never be as excited for a Smallville episode, ever.
Instead of not being excited, if you are so disapointed with it, [Mod Edit]
Bad Finale.
Actually the beginning of the episode and stuff wasn't bad. But there were alot of WTF Moments. I didnt get Brainiac saying to Chloe..."i remember you". How could he of been playing Kara and not know who she was alll that time?? Huh??? ?
I think he was speaking outloud.
Also why did he say "what are you?" Did Chloe some how with her meteor ability cause Brainiac to weaken. If so she might of been the reason Clark could beat him so fast. There is Chloe saving our aliens tushy again lol
Yes, i think thats pretty obvious.
Also wtf having us know Chloe's ok by a 2 second phone call?? What did she do.. wake up and grab the phone???
It appears so yes.
I hate the ending of Chloe's story being she's snatched off to Jail... What would be really cool is if the arresting officer was George Dean from the alternate universe a few episodes back.
No, that would make no sense and be stupid.
I hated Lois trying to get Clark into the Planet to replace Chloe at least thats how it felt. I think he should get into the Reporting on his own i guess. I also didn't like Lois comforting Clark. Cant' even explain why.
Do you like anything about this show? [Mod Edit]
Its the writers doing their usual foreshadowing: they are taking the piss by getting her to ask hi if he will work there and he says no.....because its funny in the way that everyone knows he does it in the end.
Why not? She is his friend and felt for him, what would you rather she idd, just stand there and say "Lana break up with you, tough break Smallville. Anyways I'm away out for a smoke - want a tissue for your tears?"
Didn't Clark propose to Lana in the alternate universe in his head with a plastic ring from a gum ball machine? So they used that idea now with Jimmy?
Whats going on the fortress?
I did like the Brianiac story line. and Lex was awesome showing so much coolness with Jimmy. (not sure how i feel about clark killing though even though they made a point in clark pointing out that he was a machine)
Ok thats all on my mind right now. I had to air it.
Seriously, [Mod Edit]
. You do realise it will not be made exactly for your one and only viewing pleasure. Some of the stuff you disliked you cant even explain why? I think you just like to moan in general.
Yes, the Lex vs Clark confrontation is something people have wanted to see in years and it was awful and a huge disapointment. Unfortunatly that is life and these things happen. Get over it, its done now.
Theshadow129x
05-17-2008, 12:32 PM
That's wrong, Rosenbaum should come back for at least three episodes, otherwise he's just lifting a finger to all of his so called fans. If you love your fans you'll come back to a few episodes then gracefully vanish forever. After all, what he does now shall impact his career for years to come. Fans will love him more if he corrects his characters apparent misfortunes and leave the show with Lex Luther coming into his own.
its nto wrong. MR said that hes never coming back. I dont know why people keep insisting otherwise. gosh. he said if he does one then he would have to do them all. hes tired of having his hair shaved everyday and has already said that because he's getting older he wants to try other things. he's almost 40. he doesnt want to be tied to smallville anymore. he's done. get over it
shadoo
05-17-2008, 05:44 PM
Fit the bastard with a prosthetic and get it over with, must we the fans figure out everything for these rich bastards?
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Come on, slick your hair back, grab prosthetic skin and place it around your dome, if you like, fit the bastard with green skin for the SFX department. Or even better
You're in the zone, the special abilities the meteor shower granted you is negated by the zone. you're possessed by zod, and your hair grows very long and you have a bloody beard. you some how return and has your hair. lex had hair for a time didn't he? In the comics at least.
clana4everfan2
05-17-2008, 06:23 PM
Many SV fans are upset with the way they ended MR's character.. and no closure.. MR brought a great deal to the character of Lex after 7 years and he deserved a better ending. Shame on the writers.... Now can you blame MR for not returning next year?....
monet
05-17-2008, 08:07 PM
Smallville have been so much crap these last three weeks thank god supernatural was on next. Which i have to say is so much better than smallville. Smallville has totally lost it's shine.
xrayvision
05-17-2008, 08:21 PM
I think he should come back for at least 2 episodes since that is the amount of episodes he would have been in had the strike not shortened the season.
Darren5000
05-17-2008, 08:40 PM
He isnt coming back but that was a crap exit after 7 years.
Whats worse is CW spoiled this halfassed ending in the clips they released.
Supermanhomepage confirmed from Mike himself that he won't be back....
Use this thread to convey your feelings about Michael's exit!
Only thing missing was CRyme Time showing up to hock Luthor's stuff for a buck, and I can just imagine Luthor going: What the hell are you doing here? this is not respect! Don't sell my stuff, nooooooooooooooooooo!
Cryme Time is a professional wrestling hoodlum like tag team that jokingly sells stuff for a buck, and they did this angle with Amy Dumas who was Lita in selling her private stuff. But they should've had more respect for Rosenbaum's Luthor character in a sendoff, that was WAY seriously too short and I feel like I just paid 10 bucks for a RIPOFF movie just now! I feel so used...and I'll be ponying up 41 bucks anyway for the DVD.
Somehow, maybe that strike cost us 3 potential eps of Smallville, maybe then they would've had time to get a goodbye episode for Rosenbaum.:mad:
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Smallville have been so much crap these last three weeks thank god supernatural was on next. Which i have to say is so much better than smallville. Smallville has totally lost it's shine.
I don't know, 'killing' Dean was pretty bad on Supernatural. They better seriously bring him back or Supernatural takes a ratings hit!
Jensen Ackles has to feel pretty bad about this...first one charcter dies of a meteor blast on the Kent farm and now he's eaten to death by the devil dog and sent to hell.
ArmsHeldOut
05-17-2008, 08:55 PM
This episode made no sense. The orb was supposedly going to enable Lex to control Clark right? So the fortress just implodes instead?
Super Snipes
05-17-2008, 08:57 PM
I have to say I have been mildly aggravated with this show all season, and this finale was just the icing on that terrible cake. I thought the addition of Kara was great but that's about all I can say for this season. Other than that it's been nothing but one long tease episode after episode with nothing satisfying ever happening. Lana is seemingly exiled from the show half-way through, Lionel is axed early on without warning and Lex is written off in the closing of the worst season finale in television history. How does Season 8 even have a chance? Lex has to be back in the first episode of season 8 for any of this to make sense whatsoever, otherwise how are they going to explain this? Surely they shot those scenes before MR left. Personally I think it was time to get rid of Lana and Lex, it was getting old, but they sure didn't handle it well at all, it would have been better to have gotten rid of them early on in the season and started to rebuild the cast rather than string them along this entire season with almost guest star roles. If more of this Season 7 tease is what we have to look forward, in what looks to be the final season, I don't know if I can bare to watch.
Jade4813
05-17-2008, 09:00 PM
I don't know, 'killing' Dean was pretty bad on Supernatural. They better seriously bring him back or Supernatural takes a ratings hit!
Jensen Ackles has to feel pretty bad about this...first one charcter dies of a meteor blast on the Kent farm and now he's eaten to death by the devil dog and sent to hell.
DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!
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Yeah, it would just figure after telling ALL of my friends to keep quiet about the season finale of Supernatural because I've not got to see it yet, this would happen.
*bangs head on desk*
Well...that's ruined for me now. *sighs*
Super Snipes
05-17-2008, 09:14 PM
DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!
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Yeah, it would just figure after telling ALL of my friends to keep quiet about the season finale of Supernatural because I've not got to see it yet, this would happen.
*bangs head on desk*
Well...that's ruined for me now. *sighs*
ah...they pretty much gave it away in the preview of the season finale the week prior, so I don't think it was supposed to be a surprise. Besides I doubt he won't be back next season, the show would go nowhere without Dean. It's well worth watching though, it was a great finale, and really makes Smallville's look like total crap.
Darren5000
05-17-2008, 10:44 PM
DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!
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Yeah, it would just figure after telling ALL of my friends to keep quiet about the season finale of Supernatural because I've not got to see it yet, this would happen.
*bangs head on desk*
Well...that's ruined for me now. *sighs*
No, it was a giveaway as I didn't spoil it for Dean's brother was holding him and Dean did look like his life was ending. That was a bad job on their part to spoil the outcome of Supernatural. Didn't know you didn't watch it, I'm truly sorry about the cat out of the bag, but CW was advertising it constantly.:( And I did watch it...though about 45 minutes of it.
Hopefulsuicide
05-18-2008, 12:55 PM
okay, when the fortress started collapsing i was shocked... when it ended straight after i was god damn baffled!
Jade4813
05-18-2008, 12:57 PM
No, it was a giveaway as I didn't spoil it for Dean's brother was holding him and Dean did look like his life was ending. That was a bad job on their part to spoil the outcome of Supernatural. Didn't know you didn't watch it, I'm truly sorry about the cat out of the bag, but CW was advertising it constantly.:( And I did watch it...though about 45 minutes of it.
Oh I don't blame you. I'm just mad at myself for not having stayed up late to watch it because I could have predicted this would have happened! :lol:! Oh well! C'est la vie!
NoSupeForYou
05-18-2008, 01:45 PM
It's funny how we wanted a finale and ending befitting of MR and instead we got a finale befitting Al/Miles.
INSTAGATR
05-18-2008, 04:17 PM
^
Funny or sad. Sad as in dumb.
NoSupeForYou
05-18-2008, 06:20 PM
After all these seasons, after the Clark learning to fly tease, is anyone surprised that Al/Miles completely blew the finale?
Atrocity
05-18-2008, 06:50 PM
Like you, my friends and I were thoroughly disappointed in the ending. I don't understand why they did that either. The one thing that we noticed was that there was no "to be continued" after it was over like their usually is. I hope I'm wrong, but I think they will start season 8 with no clear explanation of what happened.
ATRO
Welling_is_pretty
05-19-2008, 01:30 PM
I do think that was kind of a punk way for Lex/MR to go out.
margarita_salt
05-19-2008, 01:36 PM
That ending totally sucked! I am sorry. The way Lana left, she may have well just left it on a Post it. Come one seriously would Lana have left that way?
I was so excited about the finale, boy was I disappointed. Is that the way this show is gonna let Lex Luthor go. we should have seen some fireworks of some kind. Well I stopped watching this show after the 5th season for obvious reasons and I thought this season was gonna go better but I wa wrong. I guess when I want to watch Smallville I will just rely on my 1- 4 season dvd's.
Dean_19
05-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Hmmm...I wasn't too mad about the finale.
The way Lana left I was fine with. She loves Clark so much but it's clear to her she is standing in the way of him realizing his potential and that's selfish..but because she loves him so much the only way she can say goodbye is without actually seeing him because she knows she'll cave if he's there with her. Makes total sense to me.
The way Clark dealt with Braniac was cool. He actually punched him in the face...that was great!! I have no problem with Clark killing him. It's like killing an evil toaster. He's a machine, like the terminator or something. But it was weird why Chloe weakened him. I don't really get that.
The ending in the Fortress was a let down. Lex just blindly believes that Clark is going to enslave the world just becasue someone tells him so. Nevermind that He's known Clark for 7 years and has never seen Clark been anything but laudable. If it is MR's last appearance it was a weak farewell. The Prem needs to be seriously good to make up for a rather weak ending. It wasn't totally bad..but definitely the weakest finale so far.
I'd never stop watching SV though..I've spent seven years on it and I ain't giving up until the final ep!! And I'll buy them all!!
NoSupeForYou
05-19-2008, 06:02 PM
I think with the way that Lex said "I'm sorry, Kal-el", it sounded like he was under someone's influence. Those thugs of his vanished about ten miles or so from the FOS, so maybe he ran into Jor-el at some point and was acting under his influence somehow. If Clark's destiny was written on the walls of the cave, and known by Jor-el beforehand, why would he have helped create something that could control Clark? At least the impression that I got was that Jor-el had something to do with it. Am I wrong here?
Anyway, with the orb being something that works with the FOS, maybe the Jor-el A.I. has a program that makes it the final authority on whether Clark needs to be controlled, or not.
shark87
05-19-2008, 07:10 PM
Well, i actually like the arctic way more than the other episodes of this season. And you know why? Because i wasn't spoiled. End sucked? No way. In my opinion it was actually very good. "I apologize for my bad english. I hope you will understand me." Lex became obssesed with those things while ago, but he had never got to the true till now. And everytime when sth happened, he felt that sth was hidden from him. Then, when Lionel start protecting Clark, he began ignoring Lex, but Lex did never undertood why. And because he felt alone, he started making clones blabla.., just because he felt alone and worthless. So he became more dark, not believing in nobody else and start to role with money and pover, the only remained things. In a way he was already empty inside, a men with no purpose. But when he suddenly got a chance to find out about that box, "by which his life was ruined", and especially when Kara told him about his great destiny, he found himself a hope (he committed several murders) again to prove a mankind that he is a good man, a man with purpose. He also seek deliverance. And that's why he would sacrifice Clark. Just because he looks only for himself. He knows that he's making a mistake, but he's fulling himself. This is why he told him "sorry". He wans to be respected, he wans to be a hero. And now he has a chance to become one. I really hope my english wasn't too bad.:D
Backward Galaxy
05-19-2008, 08:10 PM
Clark's life really sucks. If I were him, I think I'd kill myself.
The show that just won't die.
Bangmango
05-20-2008, 02:31 AM
Where did that "stupid" thread go? There were good points in that.
I've been watching since the start and during Season 1-3 i was hoping Smallville would go on forever. Then Lois came and it never really sat right with me and it never recovered after that. S5 was good and half of S6 was awesome thanks to Justin Hartley and a handful of awesome episodes (Promise). But S7 was terrible all the way.
Possibly the worst finale i've ever seen.
Like that "stupid" thread said the whole thing just didnt make sense. There was no logical flow to the story or reasons behind the decisions any of the characters made. It was like they were making up **** as they go flimsily linking bits and pieces from the previous seasons with the current one. It just doesnt work and its obvious nothing was planned from the start which makes for poor story telling.
So disappointed...If ANYTHING Lex/Clark should have had a showdown they deserved.
CloisLoverr-
05-20-2008, 02:51 AM
I only watched it today on the net, damn AU cancelled it. frustrating much.
The ending did shock and irritate me, I have no clue what is happening next. :(:(:(
MR was a great actor, I liked him a lot. It's a shame he is gone but i heard he will be there for a couple of eps same with KK.
NoSupeForYou
05-20-2008, 03:55 PM
Where did you hear that?
He came out himself and said he's never shaving his head again, and he's not coming back.
sithius
05-20-2008, 04:34 PM
I reckon next season will start with Clark standing up, surrounded by what is left of the FoS (pretty much none of it). He'll probably then look around for Lex but to no avail and yell at Jor'el (what he does best) for some answers. Jor'el will probably say that he had to get rid of Lex to protect Clark and that he is now in a place where 'he will never hurt you'.
That ties the 'cliffhanger' *yawn* up quite nicely and it could also chuck amnesia into the mix (like Jor'el did with Kara) over Clark's identity and how Lex doesn't recognize him as Superman. Either way, the writers don't have to bother explaining all of this as this show isn't about Superman.
I agree tbh, I think AlMiles made this ending bad on purpose to get back at TPTB for kicking them off (at least I think they were kicked off ;))
lanalover6666
05-22-2008, 12:01 AM
/\ totally agree, thats what most likely will happen ><
going back to the lana thing, is it confirmed she wont be back as a regular?
christian_kryptonian
05-22-2008, 12:11 AM
Not terrible, but kind of disappointing as far as a finale goes. Ah well, the premier is always better. lol
S0n0fKrypT0n007
05-22-2008, 08:10 PM
LOL i just rewatched the ending and realized Lex's last words are "I'm sorry." What a fitting description of what the writers/directors/producers of MR's sendoff should be saying. -__-:rolleyes:
highdro_pharmer
05-22-2008, 09:19 PM
If the producers were smart, they took a plaster cast of the Baum's head and face before he left and got him to record a couple of choice Lex-isms for the road.
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