Alter Sacrifice = EXTREMELY weird

[Thrill_Seeker]

okay after re-watching that episode and seeing the part where ET stabs clark and does all that creepy stuff, I though that it was a little bit demonic. he had clark on an sacrifice table and it was REALLY creepy,
and after he did it on clark, he lifted the knife up and like lifted his head and it looked as if he was worshipping something,
was it just me, or did other people think that this was VERY creepy. Now that I think about it, it kinda ruins the episode a little bit for me.

I was watching it with my family and the pointed out how creepy and ritual-ish evil it was,
thoughts ???

[karmick]

As a matter of fact, in Canada a Viewers Discretion Warning was posted for this episode after every commercial break, which, as far as I know, does not happen for Smallville.

The whole sacrifice-altar-ritual definitely not for the faint of heart...

[puddinpiester]

I didn't see the necessity or significance of that sacrificial ritual either. If ET wanted to kill Clark, then why not give him a dose of IV push Kryptonite? Sometimes they do things on this show which do not enhance the epi (Think Hypnotic.)

[dru-zod2501]

^^cause he wasnt trying to kill him, it was a ritual to try and make a man out of him

[Eri-El]

^^^Yes I agree.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Yeah it was really odd. ET could've done something far more dangerous to Clark. But, as weird as it was, it sorda made the epi a little more exciting.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

Smallville = Weird

[christian_kryptonian]

So is it just me, or are the writers asking us to assume A LOT about how much the Veritas group knew? I thought it was personally ridiculous how he was all like, "This is an ancient Kryptonian ritual for...(killing Kryptonians??)" It was just a little outlandish to me that they would know THAT MUCH. Like how did Swann get that kind of information? I dunno. I guess it's believeable, but weird. AND YES the ritual was really weird/cultish.

[Jesstheveg]

I found the whole damn thing creepy. It was religious in its right, worshiping Clark as a god amongst men. What I found so creepy about it was that I could actually understand how it came to that. How people could possibly react to a being like Clark here on Earth. A savior. Basically extremism, getting fanatical over an idea rather than an actual being or entity. ET had this idea in his head about who Clark was, what he should stand for. And in his head, he was doing what he thought would protect himself and others. Definitely creepy. I didn't find it pointless at all though. Like someone else said, I think it made it exciting. It was a little different than what we usually see on the show, but that's what kinda made it nice.

[karmick]

^^cause he wasnt trying to kill him, it was a ritual to try and make a man out of him


Spot on. Worked too.

And I for one was not so much creeped out at the whole ritual scene so much as Wo:cool:ah...Kooool! Twisted, sure, but wicked kool. IMHO, it rocked.

[Dor el]

But Kara in the trailer or sprint clip told ET on the plan that she knew that he (ET) tried to kill the Traveler. ET told Lex in the church that he didn't need to be concerned about the Traveler any more. So, I think ET was trying to perform a ritual sacrifice/killing. ET had to know that leaving Clark near Kryptonite for a prolonged period would be fatal. Who knows, maybe by piercing his skin, ET would render Clark more susceptible to the effects of Kryptonite.

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So is it just me, or are the writers asking us to assume A LOT about how much the Veritas group knew? I thought it was personally ridiculous how he was all like, "This is an ancient Kryptonian ritual for...(killing Kryptonians??)" It was just a little outlandish to me that they would know THAT MUCH. Like how did Swann get that kind of information? I dunno. I guess it's believeable, but weird. AND YES the ritual was really weird/cultish.

Maybe Mr Swann got his information form Zorel during one of his visits to scope out earth. Maybe Swann didn't know Zorel was a bad guy; or maybe he did. Maybe the message in Clark's ship that said "rule them with strength" was from Zorel, and Swann knew about it and based his secret society on the meaning of that message. But, you're right. ET knew way too much about the Kryptonian society to have gotten it all from that one message that Swann said he intercepted. Could the plot be thickening?

[Sue Denim]

It offended me actually. There was too much of a push of Clark=God. It's one thing to play up on the symbolism, it's quite another to show a man worshiping him. Gross.

[Thrill_Seeker]

yes, to be honest it slightly offended and disturbed me,
that was more than weird,
he was sacrificing him in a church and cutting him friggin open alive.
that scene just ruined an AWESOME episode for me. I was very pissed off about it.
like thats what demonic people do. I know that wasnt what it was supposed to be like, but it definetly came across that way,
they should of done it outside/not in the church and there was NO reason for ET to cut clark like that so disturbingly, they could of just have him knock him out with kryptonite,
I mean wth were the writers/directors thinking when they made that scene,
quest would of been an all time favourite if it wasnt for that scene, because unfortunately every time I think about that episode, that scene pops into my mind because it was SOO full on.

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It was ABSOLUTELY WRONG, to have all those mentions of clark being a god. With Et bowing at him whilst meeting him and after the ritual, then his constant mentions of how clark is a god among us, and he is a god, this and that.
Clark Kent/Superman should NEVER be assumed as a god, I love smallville with every little bit of my heart, but that was a butcher to the superman legacy, im sad to say.

i always liked the fact that jor-el had said many times, your powers may seem extraordinary (to clark), among earth, but you are not a God.
I HATED the fact that ET kept referring clark as a god, and when he said "jor-el knew the consequences of placing a god on earth", that just ticked wayyy off.
I have like NEVER been angry with smallville, like how I am angry at it now, not in my 7 years of watching it,
even the Isobel storyline wasnt as horrid as this.
Im very dissapointed. Superman is NOT a god, and the writers are stupid for making people think so. I hope they have some resolve to that, maybe in arctic ET will admit, he was wrong to act as if clark was a god, or something.

HORRIFIC directing by ken biller, sorry buddy, you blew it, the rest of the episode was wicked, but like everything I just said before just really ruined it

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It offended me actually. There was too much of a push of Clark=God. It's one thing to play up on the symbolism, it's quite another to show a man worshiping him. Gross.

SOO TRUE,
I loved it wheh they had symbolism, but this was taking it to far,
once again, ken biller should NEVER sit in the director seat again,
this episode was slightly offensive in ways

[Sweetie]

Bringing biblic theories into superman's mytho is really lazy writing.Clark is Jesus(the savior)and Lex is the devil(the destroyer),that means Jor-El is God,pl...easeeee!Sacrifice's rituals,cutting someone's chest wide openned.We saw what he done to Lex,there was no need to see it twice and above all,in a church!!!What were they thinking?It was extremely offensive and very digusting by the way:eek:

[Dor el]

yes, to be honest it slightly offended and disturbed me,
that was more than weird,
he was sacrificing him in a church and cutting him friggin open alive.
that scene just ruined an AWESOME episode for me. I was very pissed off about it.
like thats what demonic people do. I know that wasnt what it was supposed to be like, but it definetly came across that way,
they should of done it outside/not in the church and there was NO reason for ET to cut clark like that so disturbingly, they could of just have him knock him out with kryptonite,
I mean wth were the writers/directors thinking when they made that scene,
quest would of been an all time favourite if it wasnt for that scene, because unfortunately every time I think about that episode, that scene pops into my mind because it was SOO full on.

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It was ABSOLUTELY WRONG, to have all those mentions of clark being a god. With Et bowing at him whilst meeting him and after the ritual, then his constant mentions of how clark is a god among us, and he is a god, this and that.
Clark Kent/Superman should NEVER be assumed as a god, I love smallville with every little bit of my heart, but that was a butcher to the superman legacy, im sad to say.

i always liked the fact that jor-el had said many times, your powers may seem extraordinary (to clark), among earth, but you are not a God.
I HATED the fact that ET kept referring clark as a god, and when he said "jor-el knew the consequences of placing a god on earth", that just ticked wayyy off.
I have like NEVER been angry with smallville, like how I am angry at it now, not in my 7 years of watching it,
even the Isobel storyline wasnt as horrid as this.
Im very dissapointed. Superman is NOT a god, and the writers are stupid for making people think so. I hope they have some resolve to that, maybe in arctic ET will admit, he was wrong to act as if clark was a god, or something.

HORRIFIC directing by ken biller, sorry buddy, you blew it, the rest of the episode was wicked, but like everything I just said before just really ruined it

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SOO TRUE,
I loved it wheh they had symbolism, but this was taking it to far,
once again, ken biller should NEVER sit in the director seat again,
this episode was slightly offensive in ways

I totally agree with your offense with this scene. I thought it was in very poor taste and highly offensive.

Only thing I can say, and there is no reasonable defense for such trash, but if ET learned everything from Dr. Swann, and ET did seem to know way more than Dr. Swann led Clark to believe, then I have to wonder if the whole Veritas secret society was taken in by Zod or Zorel somehow. You are right, Jorel was very careful to make sure that Clark knows he is no god. Someone/something led ET and possible Dr. Swann down a drastically different path regarding the Traveler than Jorel would have. Something is stinking in SV.

[Yasise]

^^cause he wasnt trying to kill him, it was a ritual to try and make a man out of him

No, as Dor el explains it, he obviously wanted to kill him, because he left him on that altar WITH kryptonite surrounding him and if it wasn't for Chloe, Clark would have died there, IMO.


But Kara in the trailer or sprint clip told ET on the plan that she knew that he (ET) tried to kill the Traveler. ET told Lex in the church that he didn't need to be concerned about the Traveler any more. So, I think ET was trying to perform a ritual sacrifice/killing. ET had to know that leaving Clark near Kryptonite for a prolonged period would be fatal. Who knows, maybe by piercing his skin, ET would render Clark more susceptible to the effects of Kryptonite.

Totally right, I agree 100% as saiy above :)



Maybe Mr Swann got his information form Zorel during one of his visits to scope out earth. Maybe Swann didn't know Zorel was a bad guy; or maybe he did. Maybe the message in Clark's ship that said "rule them with strength" was from Zorel, and Swann knew about it and based his secret society on the meaning of that message. But, you're right. ET knew way too much about the Kryptonian society to have gotten it all from that one message that Swann said he intercepted. Could the plot be thickening?

Sounds logical to me. :)

[All about Clark]

I was more bothered by the writing of Holly Harold then the directing. And there were too many God references, especially being that Jor-el was careful to tell Clark they were not Gods. Teague's choices were strange but I wasn't bothered as much by the cultic direction the episode took, I guess I'm more lenient because it is Sci-fi after all.

And I have to admit I loved the Chlark at the alter, she was horrified what was done to Clark and he seemed embarrassed.

[Jill]

Smallville = Weird

I second that.

[go_clo]

okay after re-watching that episode and seeing the part where ET stabs clark and does all that creepy stuff, I though that it was a little bit demonic. he had clark on an sacrifice table and it was REALLY creepy,
and after he did it on clark, he lifted the knife up and like lifted his head and it looked as if he was worshipping something,
was it just me, or did other people think that this was VERY creepy. Now that I think about it, it kinda ruins the episode a little bit for me.

I was watching it with my family and the pointed out how creepy and ritual-ish evil it was,
thoughts ???
Ya it was creepy. He is a monk in a church, yet he worships Clark? :confused: That was beyond weird and yes, very creepy! :\

[Dor el]

Et wasn't a real monk was he? Wasn't he just hiding out from Lionel? In any event, I think ET was mentally warped and he was misguided by someone other than Jorel.

[scifigirl]

ET had this idea in his head about who Clark was, what he should stand for.

Sounds a lot like the Clark bashing in this forum. We have definite ideas about who Clark should be and where he should be in his progression to herodom. Anyone else think the character of ET may be another jab at the fandom like Action?

[Thrill_Seeker]

I hope we never get an episode like this again,
it was SUCH a bad mistake,
and funny enough I didnt recognize all of these things until I watched it a 2nd time through, cos I was so into it, but didnt realise how absolutle discusting it was !!!

[Blue screen of death]

wow, i must have a really thick skin cause none of offensiveness was taken by me at all. I thought that the ritual ET was doing was going to turn clark into "kal-el" again. The symbol that ET cut into clarks chest was the same Jor-el put there right before clark put on the red K ring and left for metropolis. In mortal when jor-el told him his mortal journey was at an end it seems now, looking back, that part of that was jor-el telling clark he FAILED his "rite of passage" the first time and at some point would be tested again. When i saw the symbol carved into his chest thats immediately what i thought may happen. Though i was wrong i still think there is going to be some closure on that whole thing, atleast i hope there is, cause if i am remembering correctly isn't ET still alive? I would think he would still have some role to play, leaving him in that church would be kinda lame.

[Karafan1]

As a matter of fact, in Canada a Viewers Discretion Warning was posted for this episode after every commercial break, which, as far as I know, does not happen for Smallville.

The whole sacrifice-altar-ritual definitely not for the faint of heart...

I'm from the U.S.A. and I didn't see any viewers discretion warnings during the commercials for "Quest"

[Aldo]

yes, to be honest it slightly offended and disturbed me,
that was more than weird,
he was sacrificing him in a church and cutting him friggin open alive.
that scene just ruined an AWESOME episode for me. I was very pissed off about it.
like thats what demonic people do. I know that wasnt what it was supposed to be like, but it definetly came across that way,
they should of done it outside/not in the church and there was NO reason for ET to cut clark like that so disturbingly, they could of just have him knock him out with kryptonite,
I mean wth were the writers/directors thinking when they made that scene,
quest would of been an all time favourite if it wasnt for that scene, because unfortunately every time I think about that episode, that scene pops into my mind because it was SOO full on.

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It was ABSOLUTELY WRONG, to have all those mentions of clark being a god. With Et bowing at him whilst meeting him and after the ritual, then his constant mentions of how clark is a god among us, and he is a god, this and that.
Clark Kent/Superman should NEVER be assumed as a god, I love smallville with every little bit of my heart, but that was a butcher to the superman legacy, im sad to say.

i always liked the fact that jor-el had said many times, your powers may seem extraordinary (to clark), among earth, but you are not a God.
I HATED the fact that ET kept referring clark as a god, and when he said "jor-el knew the consequences of placing a god on earth", that just ticked wayyy off.
I have like NEVER been angry with smallville, like how I am angry at it now, not in my 7 years of watching it,
even the Isobel storyline wasnt as horrid as this.
Im very dissapointed. Superman is NOT a god, and the writers are stupid for making people think so. I hope they have some resolve to that, maybe in arctic ET will admit, he was wrong to act as if clark was a god, or something.

HORRIFIC directing by ken biller, sorry buddy, you blew it, the rest of the episode was wicked, but like everything I just said before just really ruined it

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SOO TRUE,
I loved it wheh they had symbolism, but this was taking it to far,
once again, ken biller should NEVER sit in the director seat again,
this episode was slightly offensive in ways


Oh Boy, just because YOU got ofended by the way the episode was Directed/written it doesn't make it a Bad episode. I think you are overreacting in saying that Ken Biller should not direct an episode anymore. that's just harsh and a little to much.

For poeple like me, Who doesn't give a crap about religious things and bible characters this episode was Grrreat. Besides Superman has been compared to God or a Guardian Angel in the comics, BUT it is Compare to God/Guardian Angel BY MEN, that doesn't mean that it's his fault. He later try to explain that he's just one guy with Superpowers but that doesn't stop people from the world to think him as a God-ish-Angel-ish being.

This episode to me wasn't offensive at all in any way:)
Thumbs up!:D

[Vergon6]

I wasn't offended either. I just kind of figured that Edward Teague had a psychotic break somewhere between all the Veritas members dying one by one, and his son and wife dying. His undying devotion and worship to Clark was not something Veritas seemed to be about at all, so I think things got twisted in his mind.

[jimmyolsenblues]

how creepy and ritual-ish evil it was

I agree, the stomach craving was unneccesary, if lex doesn't know that clark is the traveler and clark won't accept his destiny, then I am just......put out...(can't express my true feelings without using special characters as follows.....) !#@$%^@#$%&%^@$%^

[Thrill_Seeker]

Oh Boy, just because YOU got ofended by the way the episode was Directed/written it doesn't make it a Bad episode. I think you are overreacting in saying that Ken Biller should not direct an episode anymore. that's just harsh and a little to much.

For poeple like me, Who doesn't give a crap about religious things and bible characters this episode was Grrreat. Besides Superman has been compared to God or a Guardian Angel in the comics, BUT it is Compare to God/Guardian Angel BY MEN, that doesn't mean that it's his fault. He later try to explain that he's just one guy with Superpowers but that doesn't stop people from the world to think him as a God-ish-Angel-ish being.

This episode to me wasn't offensive at all in any way:)
Thumbs up!:D

If you havent realise, that is what DEMONIC people do, like OMGSH sacrificing people alive, IN A CHURCH ????
trust me, I am not one of those smallville haters, I have been defending smallville forever, whether it be here on the forums or at school or at home, but that scene was just DISCUSTING, I've never disagreed with smallville so strongly before, not ONCE in my life.

Its got nothing to do with caring about the bible and religion (btw, careful what you say, you could've offended someone) its the fact that, that is an evil ritual, Its a sacrifice being performed on clark while he is alive, IN A CHURCH !!!!!
you dont have to be religious to think that that is FREAKY !!!!!!!!!

think how someone of pure evil would commit an evil act or something ????
I think they would even save what ET did to clark for SPECIAL OCCASIONS !!!!!!!!

[Dor el]

I care about "religious things".

But I believe you are right when you say Superman was originally compared to Jesus Christ is some ways. Clearly, I am not saying that I believe Superman is akin to Jesus, but those comparisons have been made.

Plus, I agree that one the chest carving was anything but a symbol of good. Two, to conduct what is tantamount to demonic practices in a church is really an mockery, in my opinion, to those of us who take our faith and religious beliefs seriously and solemnly. And three, carving on Clark's wonderful chest is just plain wrong. No need to do something that, it seems, has been very polarizing. I would think that producers would want to attract, not alienate, as many viewers as possible. I felt I had to censor this epi for my 13 year daughter. It's a shame, we used to watch SV together.

[INSTAGATR]

If you havent realise, that is what DEMONIC people do, like OMGSH sacrificing people alive, IN A CHURCH ????
trust me, I am not one of those smallville haters, I have been defending smallville forever, whether it be here on the forums or at school or at home, but that scene was just DISCUSTING, I've never disagreed with smallville so strongly before, not ONCE in my life.

Its got nothing to do with caring about the bible and religion (btw, careful what you say, you could've offended someone) its the fact that, that is an evil ritual, Its a sacrifice being performed on clark while he is alive, IN A CHURCH !!!!!
you dont have to be religious to think that that is FREAKY !!!!!!!!!

think how someone of pure evil would commit an evil act or something ????
I think they would even save what ET did to clark for SPECIAL OCCASIONS !!!!!!!!I AGREE 100%!
This episode was DEMONIC and SATANIC.
They did that stuff inside of a CHURCH??? Is what I thought too.
I thought it was DISGUSTING as well.
Way too graphic.
Way too satanic.

Suggesting Clark is a God is WRONG on so many levels.
This whole episode SUCKED!

Whoever was in charge of this episode really F*#&D it UP BAD!
You SUCK!

[clana4everfan2]

I will agree a bit creepy... and ET became a fanatic.

[Aldo]

If you havent realise, that is what DEMONIC people do, like OMGSH sacrificing people alive, IN A CHURCH ????
trust me, I am not one of those smallville haters, I have been defending smallville forever, whether it be here on the forums or at school or at home, but that scene was just DISCUSTING, I've never disagreed with smallville so strongly before, not ONCE in my life.

Its got nothing to do with caring about the bible and religion (btw, careful what you say, you could've offended someone) its the fact that, that is an evil ritual, Its a sacrifice being performed on clark while he is alive, IN A CHURCH !!!!!
you dont have to be religious to think that that is FREAKY !!!!!!!!!

think how someone of pure evil would commit an evil act or something ????
I think they would even save what ET did to clark for SPECIAL OCCASIONS !!!!!!!!


Yeah I know about the Religious theme here, so I tryied to say it nicely.

Oh and I agree with you, IT WAS weird and creepy, But what I disagree you with was that you Blame Ken Biller as the Whole responsible of it, AND you didn't want him to direct any episode just because some poeple find a particular scene Disturbing? That is just overreacting a lot.

Overall I agree that it was a lil Weird BUT it didn't offended me:)







OK I will shut myself now. Peace.

[Spyderwalk]

Eh . . people get offended too easily. I personally could have done with more blood. . and possibly a reference to the psycho music. That would have been swell.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Superman is NOT a god, and the writers are stupid for making people think so.


The writers were just trying to tap into the christ-figure allusions that have always been made about Superman.

When they had him run in to save ET, they showed Clark right next to the picture of Jesus...their intentions were to just hit us over the head numerous times with the same hammer that Superman Returns and the other Superman movies did.

Sorry, but I really don't believe you can try to blame Smallville for being the ones to give him that "divine" image.
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But the fact that ET knew about some Kryptonian ritual? Yeah, I agree, that was very poor writing.

Especially since the guy just happened to have a sacraficial alter prepared and some molten kryptonite lying around...

[RedKRules]

I will agree a bit creepy... and ET became a fanatic.

I agree .... the whole ritual thing was so unnecessary .... what a lack of creativity ...

[EmeraldArcher29]

Actually I feel like it would have been interesting if I liked the character of Edward Teague...but for some reason, I feel like he just snapped too quickly. One moment, he's the protector for the Traveler, and just because Clark doesn't want to kill Lex, he whips out the kryptonite. The altar stuff defintiely reminded me of the Summerholt stuff from "Memoria" and even what that Agent did to Kara in "Lara", so I felt like the whole being strapped down thing had been done. But still, it must have seemed like an original idea, only I felt like it was all such an extreme for Teague's character to take. Either way, it was cool seeing Clark heal and Chloe save him...so at least that was a cool part of the whole ritual thing..

[guittarjedi]

I felt like this episode was trying to be an episode of Supernatural with all the violence and dark occult crap just like Thirst was trying to be an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[SpeedDemon77]

If you're offended by the implications of or relating to Clark as a God of sorts (Clark=Jesus, Jor-El=God and Lex=Satan), then I guess you have to also be offended by George Lucas's Star Wars (Luke=Jesus, Obiwan or Yoda=God, Vader=Satan)....or any number of comic book and mythological characters written throughout history.

Where exactly do you think all those stories about Good vs Evil originated? What was the inspiration behind them all? Who gave writers the creativity to apply the same type of moral lessons written about in the bible to fictional characters so they're sometimes made more clear for children spanning generations?

What is wrong in the modern telling of countless stories like this?

And speaking of referring to Clark as a God or Savior on Earth, no one's done it more than Chloe Sullivan herself since she found out that he was a super-powered alien from Krypton rather than simply meteor-infected. I don't get why it's suddenly an issue with ET suggesting the same thing save the fact that he became far too over-zealous and fanatical about it. And what does Clark do? He tells them ALL that he's not worthy of the title or comparison...nor does he want that kind of responsibility. Yet, ironically, with the destiny he'll come to fulfill and how he's looked up to by all of mankind, that very responsibility is inevitably placed on him.

As far as doing the ritualistic sacrifice-type scene in a church, it's not the first time that a motion picture or television series did something precisely like that. Think of the movie The Omen. Was it demonic or representing something Satanic? Well yeah, it wasn't meant to be representing anything good or righteous. Even on SV Season 6 Lex killed a man in a church right below the altar and then hid his dead body in a crypt, thus another foretelling of Lex's innate sense of evil (Satanic) while a lot of Lex fans were defending him with the excuse that the doctor's death was an accident. Does anyone really believe that Lex was going to allow that man to walk out of there alive and destroy all of his plans as well as the tracks he'd covered while making them? Heck no. Because that's not who Lex Luthor is...nor was intended to ultimately be portrayed as.

Good vs Evil. Moral of the story. Edward Teague simply wasn't representing the right side...and when it came down to it, neither were his wife or son. You see how they all wound up? Moral lesson complete. And not totally unlike many of those written about in the good book.

[phantomzoney]

Smallville = Weird

Helloooo, do you remember what Chloe said? :rolleyes:

"This is Smallville - land of the weird and home of the strange."

I don't think it was creepy or not worthing having in the episode. It was a Kryptonian ritual - he was trying to make him be a man.