Error in Logic: Why would Jor-El send the device when KRYPTONITE is EVERYWHERE??

[Superman of Krypton]

Jor-El wanted something to control the Traveller if Clark went rogue against the humans...

But isn't it 1000x easier for humans to simply use Kryptonite against Clark to disable him?

It's literally everywhere in Smallville.....


Jor-el, being a scientist, should have known this..

Sending that device probably wasnt the smartest idea :/

[minerva73]

The Kryptonite was inside their planet, so if he was sending Kal-El to Earth from Krypton BEFORE it exploded, he probably didn't know that it would have the effects to disable Clark when he sent the Traveler-Controlling-Device (if that makes any sense).

[Superman of Krypton]

He's a scientist. He should have known.

The Jor-El from the movies knew the effect of the yellow sun on Kryptonian physiology

[Spoon AZ]

He's a scientist. He should have known.

The Jor-El from the movies knew the effect of the yellow sun on Kryptonian physiology

Kryptonite kills.

Jor-El did not want to kill his son. Only control him if he got out of line.

That's evidenced by quotes from Mr. Teague as well.

[Theshadow129x]

Kryptonite kills.

Jor-El did not want to kill his son. Only control him if he got out of line.

That's evidenced by quotes from Mr. Teague as well.

thats what im trying to say to people. Clark is as much of a threat as he is also a help.

[Spoon AZ]

thats what im trying to say to people. Clark is as much of a threat as he is also a help.

Jor-El knew he was sending a loaded nuke to Earth. He couldn't have known how baby Kal-el would develop as a person and what morals he would have. He had to have a fail safe in case Clark grew up to be the next General Zod.

[Superman of Krypton]

Kryptonite has the potential to kill but despite all the heavy exposure Clark has had to it, it hasnt killed him yet....so it can be used in moderation as a means of control (like the Kryptonite Cage).

Batman, in the comics, uses Kryptonite for that very reason (to control Superman if he ever went rogue).



AND control Clark if he got out of line??

Isn't that what the Jor-El Computer is for...

It took control of Clark in Season 3/4 and seems to have unyeilding god-like power

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Jor-El knew he was sending a loaded nuke to Earth. He couldn't have known how baby Kal-el would develop as a person and what morals he would have. He had to have a fail safe in case Clark grew up to be the next General Zod.


Yet Jor-El supposedly chose the Kents knowing they'll be the perfect parents for Kal-El :/

And Jor-El (through whatever means he exists on Earth) interfered in Clark's development as a teen to test him, teach him, torment him and challenge him

[Theshadow129x]

its a last resort for humanity in case Clark never found teh fortress though. at least thats what im getting from it. there was a fail safe...there has to be. If the other kryptonians never came, zod never was released and the fortress never came about and Clark went rogue, Jor-el needed a way for someone to take down Clark or control him thats why he sent messages to swann the one person that would want to make sure the traveler didnt make a mess of the planet... this planets already screwed up

[thehenry89]

AND control Clark if he got out of line??

Isn't that what the Jor-El Computer is for...

It took control of Clark in Season 3/4 and seems to have unyeilding god-like power

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Yet Jor-El supposedly chose the Kents knowing they'll be the perfect parents for Kal-El :/

And Jor-El (through whatever means he exists on Earth) interfered in Clark's development as a teen to test him, teach him, torment him and challenge him

i'll admit jor-el is defintly not a candidate for father of the year, he's actually one of the worst parents i've ever seen on televison. but maybe it was a fail safe in case zor-el or zod or some other evil influnce got to him before he gathered the stones together.

[Spoon AZ]

Kryptonite has the potential to kill but despite all the heavy exposure Clark has had to it, it hasnt killed him yet....so it can be used in moderation as a means of control (like the Kryptonite Cage).

Batman, in the comics, uses Kryptonite for that very reason (to control Superman if he ever went rogue).



AND control Clark if he got out of line??

Isn't that what the Jor-El Computer is for...

It took control of Clark in Season 3/4 and seems to have unyeilding god-like power

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Yet Jor-El supposedly chose the Kents knowing they'll be the perfect parents for Kal-El :/

And Jor-El (through whatever means he exists on Earth) interfered in Clark's development as a teen to test him, teach him, torment him and challenge him

Batman has every intention of using that kryptonite to kill Clark in the comics if he has too. The Dark Knight Returns anyone? So you're saying it's better to give someone a gun to shoot your son and maybe kill him rather than use a method that will not hurt him and control the situation?

I will concede you make a good point on the Kal-El situation from 3/4. But it would seem that even that was dangerous because Swann had the black kryptonite to separate Clark from Kal-El. We don't really have enough info on what that Kal-El situation was all about to say it was a means to control.

We really still don't know what this means of control really is. It seems to involve the FOS and Jor-El much like the Kal-El situation.

[dru-zod2501]

Bend your head around this thought. In "Veritas" it was said that the secret of Veritas has been around for several centuries. So how could Jor-El have sent it to earth if he was still just a young man as late as the 1950s? unless you assume he used some time travel whammy to hide it when humans were too primitive to understand it (if so, clearly he was wrong on that one).

[Superman of Krypton]

This is like the 'Kryptonite in Ancient Chinese Relics' plothole all over again...

[Theshadow129x]

Bend your head around this thought. In "Veritas" it was said that the secret of Veritas has been around for several centuries. So how could Jor-El have sent it to earth if he was still just a young man as late as the 1950s? unless you assume he used some time travel whammy to hide it when humans were too primitive to understand it (if so, clearly he was wrong on that one).

that is a good point.....i have no explanation for that. lol

[faz]

This is like the 'Kryptonite in Ancient Chinese Relics' plothole all over again...

That's what I was thinking. Then again, Dax-Ur came to Earth to study the effect of the yellow sun on Kryptonian minerals and found Blue K, and that was clearly before Krypton exploded, so that leaves that particular plot point open for debate.

[JNottle]

If Jor-El liked Clark having morals why strip his humanity away in S3/S4? Hopefully the plot as to why he sent the device will be revealed in the FoS in Artic.

[gx25236]

I think there is kryptonite on earth only because the ships (Clark, Kara and the disciples of Zod) taked off seconds before the explosion and when they changed to Faster Than Light travel they attracted the fragments of the planet around them. If the ships had taked off some hours before the explosion they would enter FTL travel in the void and there would not be kryptonite on earth.

[psyko69]

The relic's Krytonite was brought there when people hid the stones. People like Dax-Ur knew of its effects. And Jor-El never would want to kill Clark, and would have had no idea how much Green K was lying around. He wanted to control Clark earlier in the series as he was being irresponsible and putting off finding the stones, which, if found by humanity, would destroy everyone. Jor-El was just being careful. If the Luthor's had raised Clark, or rather Lex or some other tyrant had found him, then he would need to be controlled. Thats probably why Jor-El chose the Kent's to raise Kal-El, in the hopes that he would have the values of a hero and the failsafe wouldn't be necessary.

[Poweranimals]

Bend your head around this thought. In "Veritas" it was said that the secret of Veritas has been around for several centuries. So how could Jor-El have sent it to earth if he was still just a young man as late as the 1950s? unless you assume he used some time travel whammy to hide it when humans were too primitive to understand it (if so, clearly he was wrong on that one).

They were referring to the whole Naman prophecies. And the stuff with the ancient relics were all placed on Earth centuries ago to prepare for the coming of another that they would eventually send. The device would've been sent around the time Krypton was destroyed.

[xrayvision]

The device would've been sent around the time Krypton was destroyed.

If that's true, then how did the orb that leads to the device get stuck in the Luthor mansion?

[Thrill_Seeker]

swann hid it there, and he had it hid in that church in scottland, lionel not being able to figure it out, shipped the castle to smallville so that it'd be right under his nose, were maybe one day he could figure it out. But theres no way he could have been able to do that, unless he had the previous clues, you know like the clock and the tune.

plus, kryptonite kills clark that is it, you can blackmail him saying do this or else ill kill ou, but um people this is superman !!!!
that would definelty not be enough to stop him.
the device though, actually CONTROLS him.
that purple orb, must be the thing that does it, who knows, I cant wait for arctic.

jor-el also sent the device to earth just in case clark turned against humanity, who would jor-el have known what clark was like ??
his other option would have been to kill him, but he wouldnt do that to his own son,
obviously alot of people werent watching quest properly, or missed a few details,
trust me you should always try and watch the episodes again,
it helps alot.

plus did jor-el really know about kryptonite. kara didnt know about it and neither did anyone on krypton, did they ???
it was their planet,
the only reason that kryptonite is harmful to them is because kryptonite is radioactive. It wsnt while krypton was still in tact. I mean though its just all little details alot of the time I really just cant be bothered.

[curiosity]

Jor-El wanted something to control the Traveller if Clark went rogue against the humans...

But isn't it 1000x easier for humans to simply use Kryptonite against Clark to disable him?

It's literally everywhere in Smallville.....


Jor-el, being a scientist, should have known this..

Sending that device probably wasnt the smartest idea :/

Clark told Edward Teague his father never would have done that, I'm going with Jor El isn't the one who actually sent it. Someone just made the Earth billionaires think he did.

[xrayvision]

Based on the facts we currently have, Jor-El sending the device goes against most if not everything they've told us. In Calling & Exodus, we saw the Jor-El's AI in the ship talk to Clark without the key being placed inside. And the ship was able to talk to him from long distances. So even if Clark got seperated from the ship, I think it was inevitable that Jor-El would have made contact with him. Besides this, we know that Jor-El & Lara handpicked the Kents after Jor-El's favorable experience with Hiram Kent seen in Relic.

I'm still confused about the device. Is the orb just a map that leads to the FOS, where the actual device exists? Or is the device the orb, meaning that to control the Traveler, it must be plugged in the FOS?

If the device is the orb, then that means it would have been useless if it was unearthed prior to the creation of the FOS. And if Clark was raised evil and the FOS had not been created by unifying the stones, then the orb wouldn't do jack.

On the other hand, if the orb is just a map, then that could mean:

1. That it would have useless until the FOS was created because it wouldn't lead to anything (since there would be no FOS)
2. That it would lead to something buried under the FOS that was placed there because that location was the pre-determined spot for the FOS. This buried device would have been a homing signal for the crystal that Clark threw at the end of Commencement to land where it did and create the FOS. And it could mean that the buried device is the Eradicator.

I think for simplicity sake, the orb will turn out to be the device that controls him once it is plugged somewhere into the FOS. Though I would much rather have them explain it that something (like the Eradicator) was buried in the ice & acted as a homing signal for the crystal because it would mean that the crystal didn't just land in a random spot but that the spot had a significance. Not only this, but this is the only way that the orb would work regardless, whether the FOS was created at the time of the orb's unearthing or not.

There are a bunch of other possibilities about why the device that controls the Traveler was sent:

1. It was sent not for Clark, but to control Kara or maybe even Zod.

2. Edward got it wrong and it was sent by Kem-El or some other ancestor of Clark's 500 years ago when he came to visit the Kawatche to either protect Clark or to prevent it from falling into a corrupt Kryptonian's hands (meaning it is the Eradicator).

3. It was sent to control Doomsday should he ever find Earth.


I'm really hoping this leads to the Eradicator though. There are so many things they can do with it. Knowing Jor-El's desire not to involve humans (except the Kents) with Kryptonian affairs, I definitely think there is more to the story and that Veritas did not have the big picture regarding the device and even the Traveler.

[Kel-El09]

I think there is someone of a difference. Kryptonite only weakens him...they couldn't control him. They may could take advantage of him..or beat him up..but they couldn't necessarily get him to do what they wanted. Plus..if they used kryptonite to get him to do stuff..he would be weak and wouldn't have his powers, which would defeat the purpose. The device enables someone to actually CONTROL his every move..with all his powers in tact.

[Billyk]

maybe the season finale "arctic" holds the answer to your questions. In any case to me it would make a lot more sense if the device points to the eradicator location (under the fortress) and whoever gets to control that device will have control over the traveler. and in case it turns out to be a device to control the eradicator then i would prefer that kem-el had put it there, not jor-el. since the stones that once united create the fortress were all secretly hidden in ancient sites, it would be better if the fortress itself was not jor-el idea, but of his ancestors. however, jor-el is present in the fortress probably because moments before the ship blew up, it sent a signal beacon to other kryptonian tech around the world, meaning the kawatche caves and i assume the eradicator underneath the arctic (or otherwise, the stones wherever they were at the time received the ship´s ai signal so that once the stones were united Jor-El´s AI could be re activated inside the fortress).

[xrayvision]

^^That's pretty much a compilation of my various theories. And it makes sense. We never heard Jor-El in the cave until after the ship exploded. So the Jor-El AI would have gone from the ship to the cave and then from the cave it would have downloaded itself to the 2 stones in the altar (when the Air stone was placed by Clark) and the Water stone in Lionel's pocket. This is how the Jor-El AI got into the crystal that created the FOS (and to the FOS by extension) and into Lionel.

For the orb that Lex held to point to the location of the FOS even before the creation of the FOS (had it been unearthed at that time), it would mean that something would have to exist where the FOS would be built. That something is what I think is the Eradicator.

Who knows, maybe the events of my fanfic will come true and the Eradicator in the show is actually part of Clark's ship, which re-assembled itself beneath the Arctic ice after "exploding" in Exodus. It would certainly make sense because the ship would end up in the spot it needed to guide the crystal to form the FOS, so the next step for the Jor-El AI would be to get Clark to find the stones to create the crystal so the FOS could be built on top of that spot.

[mrw66855]

Kryptonite has the potential to kill but despite all the heavy exposure Clark has had to it, it hasnt killed him yet....so it can be used in moderation as a means of control (like the Kryptonite Cage).

Batman, in the comics, uses Kryptonite for that very reason (to control Superman if he ever went rogue).



AND control Clark if he got out of line??

Isn't that what the Jor-El Computer is for...

It took control of Clark in Season 3/4 and seems to have unyeilding god-like power

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Yet Jor-El supposedly chose the Kents knowing they'll be the perfect parents for Kal-El :/

And Jor-El (through whatever means he exists on Earth) interfered in Clark's development as a teen to test him, teach him, torment him and challenge him

Yes, Jor-El chose Clark's parents, but he didn't know for sure if they would find him. He took a calculated risk. Imagine if Lionel found Clark when he was there like we found out. Clark would've become Lex and Lex would have become Clark. If that had happened Clark would have become a great threat to humanity. However, Jor-El knew that Clark could still be used for good if he turned evil. That is why his father sent the device. Clark still had his destiny to fulfill even if he turned evil. Also, Jor-El computer wouldn't control Clark because Jor-El is still a pacifist and he can only control Clark up to the point where he makes him accept his destiny because that is what the computer was made for. After that the computer could do nothing more to Clark.