Swann

[smallvillefreak24]

Does this whole veritas thing seem extremely weird to anyone else? Ok if this is supposed to be the answer to all these questions wouldn't it have been somewhat forshadowed or at least collaborated with the past 6 years? Ok what I'm tryin to say is that in tonight's episode Teague had a LOT of knowlege. About clark, and even krypton. He got this knowlege from swann, swann supposedly got only that 1 message and he passed it on to clark... why is it that all of a sudden, he knew everything... and even if he did why didn't he share all this with clark. O and why is this secret so freakin public... did swann turn against veritas the second he found out clark's identity? How did they even know a "travelor" is coming.. i just don't by this veritas shpeal... sorry for ranting but the lack of continuity makes me really sad for smallville

all in all looking at this episode out of context of the past seasons it was good

[dru-zod2501]

one word: Retcon

[you_smell_terrific]

It's because the writers pulled Veritas out of their asses this season and made many pathetic attempts to make it seem like a legitimate storyline. I'll garentee you this storyline was invented during the writing for season 7.

Veritas is just a continuity train wreck that I hope is forgotten from Smallville's history

[thehenry89]

It's actually the first story line in a while that's made any kind of sense. the phantom zone was a tremendous waste of time. bizzaro clark was just horribly executed, the never followed through realistically with the zod thing, and 33.1 turns out to be a stupid weird science project so that lex can clone lana (creepy btw).

[Superman of Krypton]

Veritas is a mess..

Its like whoever wrote it didnt watch the old episodes... but looked up wikipedia summaries :/

[WookieeBoy]

Does this whole veritas thing seem extremely weird to anyone else? Ok if this is supposed to be the answer to all these questions wouldn't it have been somewhat forshadowed or at least collaborated with the past 6 years? Ok what I'm tryin to say is that in tonight's episode Teague had a LOT of knowlege. About clark, and even krypton. He got this knowlege from swann, swann supposedly got only that 1 message and he passed it on to clark... why is it that all of a sudden, he knew everything... and even if he did why didn't he share all this with clark. O and why is this secret so freakin public... did swann turn against veritas the second he found out clark's identity? How did they even know a "travelor" is coming.. i just don't by this veritas shpeal... sorry for ranting but the lack of continuity makes me really sad for smallville

all in all looking at this episode out of context of the past seasons it was good

Well, I didn't think this episode was all that great, but I am with you about everything else. I was sitting there afterwards trying to piece everything together. I feel like there are some serious holes in the whole thing. I am still...weeks after he is dead...trying to figure out if Lionel was really good or evil before he died. People keep accusing him of trying to keep Clark all to himself. Is that why he was protecting Clark? Did he really kill off all the other Veritas members? What is with all these stupids pieces of Kryptonian devices and technologies that are just plot devices to lead to clues that lead to other clues? It just seems like a jumbled mess. :confused:

[Emissary of Justice]

How did they even know a "travelor" is coming.. i just don't by this veritas shpeal... sorry for ranting but the lack of continuity makes me really sad for smallvilleIt's rather ironic you can complain about the lack of continuity and ask how they knew Clark was coming. Swann even told Clark, he had been searching for him.


Ok what I'm tryin to say is that in tonight's episode Teague had a LOT of knowlege. About clark, and even krypton. He got this knowlege from swann, swann supposedly got only that 1 message and he passed it on to clark... why is it that all of a sudden, he knew everything... and even if he did why didn't he share all this with clark.If you remember, he became very concerned about Clark's actions in later seasons after his initial debut. Concerning this was all planned in case Superman ever became evil, why would Swann tell Clark about this?

[WookieeBoy]

It's because the writers pulled Veritas out of their asses this season and made many pathetic attempts to make it seem like a legitimate storyline. I'll garentee you this storyline was invented during the writing for season 7.

Veritas is just a continuity train wreck that I hope is forgotten from Smallville's history

I can assure you that they didn't come up with Veritas just this season. The reason is that it was alluded to a couple of seasons ago, for those who played the whole online game thing on the website that their was a cabal which had the Teagues, Swann, Lionel, and Queen as members. The game was the one where you were helping figure out how to defeat Lex's 33.1 super-soldier project. When you got to the end of the game you find out that the shadowy figure that was giving you instructions was actually the MM up in his satellite. Anyway, the secret group wasn't called Veritas at the time, I think, but the idea of those powerful families working together was there.

[Emissary of Justice]

I am still...weeks after he is dead...trying to figure out if Lionel was really good or evil before he died. People keep accusing him of trying to keep Clark all to himself. Is that why he was protecting Clark? Did he really kill off all the other Veritas members? What is with all these stupids pieces of Kryptonian devices and technologies that are just plot devices to lead to clues that lead to other clues?The clues were created by Veritas. The original, evil Lionel likely did do those things. The Lionel that was converted good by his body switch was trying to protect Clark, but in his usual methods went about them in not so good ways. What he did to Clark this season was no different than how he screwed Lana over last season.

[Spoon AZ]

This isn't LOST. The writers didn't have an overall arc for the entire show from Season 1.

I think Veritas is actually a pretty good way to tie up a lot of the past seeds that were dropped in early seasons.

I don't see any major flaws that can't be explained away. Sure there's small holes but nothing in the overall scope of it. Sure if you pull line 52 from episode 112 (making that up) there could be a small throw away reference that doesn't make sense but it's not a big deal.

[Theshadow129x]

This isn't LOST. The writers didn't have an overall arc for the entire show from Season 1.

I think Veritas is actually a pretty good way to tie up a lot of the past seeds that were dropped in early seasons.

I don't see any major flaws that can't be explained away. Sure there's small holes but nothing in the overall scope of it. Sure if you pull line 52 from episode 112 (making that up) there could be a small throw away reference that doesn't make sense but it's not a big deal.

i do agree with you about that. even lost has plot holes though but i like how this whole thing has kind of come together over all tonight.

[cygnusx1]

i gotta wonder how this storyline would have been had chris reeves still been alive

[Emissary of Justice]

Abnormally awesome on 52 different levels.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

This isn't LOST. The writers didn't have an overall arc for the entire show from Season 1.

I think Veritas is actually a pretty good way to tie up a lot of the past seeds that were dropped in early seasons.

I don't see any major flaws that can't be explained away. Sure there's small holes but nothing in the overall scope of it. Sure if you pull line 52 from episode 112 (making that up) there could be a small throw away reference that doesn't make sense but it's not a big deal.


Yeah...I don't know if the whole veritas think came out this season, but I do agree that it puts a lot of things in perspective, there might be holes here and there but it actually raps up things quite well. The show literally has so many writers and each episode is usually directed by different people, so sometimes things might not fall into place. But again this is Smallville.

[svsabbiesv]

shoot I like this storyline better then the whole stones and Isabel witch crap...
I love how the story about why the castle was brought over....

[Theshadow129x]

yea me too. i thought the whole witch thing was seriously when they jumped the shark!

[JNottle]

I personally like the storyline, the writers added little plot devices throughout the entire series, e.g.
In "Pilot" you saw that newspaper Lional was holding.
In season two they introduced Dr. Swann.
In season four they introduced the Teagues.
In season six they introduced Oliver Queen.
All throughout the series it seems like they where trying to make a lot of characters and storylines appear so they could have a good storyline for another season.

I personally like it, the only confusing bit is how did the Teagues die for Clark? Jason wanted the Stones and to kill Clark (Or that's what it was portrayed like) and the mother just wanted power.

[Theshadow129x]

Everyone wanted to find the fortress and the traveler for their own personal gain. I dont think the teagues died for Clark but they did die looking for the truth. Jason knew Clark wasnt human as he said "the farmboy who has no record of ever being born!" the more he dug the more Clark Kent was the center of everything they were searching for. it was nice. they didnt die for Clark but they did with his secret on the tip of their tongues i think.

[Red Arrow Kuczynski]

I personally like the storyline, the writers added little plot devices throughout the entire series, e.g.
In "Pilot" you saw that newspaper Lional was holding.
In season two they introduced Dr. Swann.
In season four they introduced the Teagues.
In season six they introduced Oliver Queen.
All throughout the series it seems like they where trying to make a lot of characters and storylines appear so they could have a good storyline for another season.

I personally like it, the only confusing bit is how did the Teagues die for Clark? Jason wanted the Stones and to kill Clark (Or that's what it was portrayed like) and the mother just wanted power.

Personally, I think that Edward Teague deluded himself into thinking that Genevieve and Jason were trying to help Clark. To be honest, Ed boy seemed a little off his rocker.

[berniepooh]

Personally, I think that Edward Teague deluded himself into thinking that Genevieve and Jason were trying to help Clark. To be honest, Ed boy seemed a little off his rocker.

A little???? Do 'ya think???
Try 'major-ly messed up!!!!!'
:eek:

[faz]

I can assure you that they didn't come up with Veritas just this season. The reason is that it was alluded to a couple of seasons ago, for those who played the whole online game thing on the website that their was a cabal which had the Teagues, Swann, Lionel, and Queen as members. The game was the one where you were helping figure out how to defeat Lex's 33.1 super-soldier project. When you got to the end of the game you find out that the shadowy figure that was giving you instructions was actually the MM up in his satellite. Anyway, the secret group wasn't called Veritas at the time, I think, but the idea of those powerful families working together was there.

Actually that was at the end of last season, when they were pooling ideas for stuff this season, so they very well could have come up with it just for S7. Not hating on the Veritas thing, because I'm honestly impressed that they managed to tie together so many random storylines from previous seasons that had absolutely no relevance to one another and still make them work. As for the whole "How did they know the traveler was coming" question, the prophecies on the cave wall talked about it and there were Kryptonian symbols found all over the world that indicated this as well.

[Humdinger]

Personally, I think that Edward Teague deluded himself into thinking that Genevieve and Jason were trying to help Clark. To be honest, Ed boy seemed a little off his rocker.

I think all of the members of Veritas went a little (or a lot) mad. The original premise of protecting the Traveler seemed to skew their sense of right and wrong because they all became obsessed with the power the Traveler was supposed to have. The only one this is not obvious in is the Queens, but they were killed by Lionel before that could be shown. Lionel was always about power, and even though he was supposed to have changed, I think ultimately controlling Clark was his goal.

[Dor el]

Maybe Swann simply was not completely honest with Clark not knowing how Clark might turn out. Maybe he was taking a wait and see stance, but was killed by Lionel before he could finish his work/plan. I don't show all my cards when I'm trying to "feel someone out".

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This isn't LOST. The writers didn't have an overall arc for the entire show from Season 1.

I think Veritas is actually a pretty good way to tie up a lot of the past seeds that were dropped in early seasons.

I don't see any major flaws that can't be explained away. Sure there's small holes but nothing in the overall scope of it. Sure if you pull line 52 from episode 112 (making that up) there could be a small throw away reference that doesn't make sense but it's not a big deal.

Thank you for a rational response. No show is gonna be perfect. Heck, life isn't perfect. I actually like how the writers are trying to tie in so many loose ends.Aren't the writers trying to do what has been asked of them; they still get grief. Maybe they are retrofitting things together; maybe not. I can see it both ways and do not have any heartburn with either answer. there were things from seasons past that seemed unconnected to everything SV and now there has been an attempt to explain a connection. Why/how is this a problem?

[Kal-alien]

man.... Is it just me or are there very many people here who have just gotten incredibly nit-picky...... It's kind of aggrivating. Sit back and enjoy the show. A few years ago you were all craving for continuity. Suddenly, the writers attempt to create some continuity with the Veritas story line. Granted, there are some things that may have been stretched, but we are talking about a show based on an alien survivor of an extinct planet with incredible superpowers who miraculously looks like a human. The laws of reality were a bit stretched from episode one. I don't really see how complaining about things now are going to add to the enjoyment of the series. If you truly are a jaded fan, stop watching and stop visiting a forum based on a show that you admit can't seem to summon a bit of positive feelings for.

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[berniepooh]

man.... Is it just me or are there very many people here who have just gotten incredibly nit-picky...... It's kind of aggrivating. Sit back and enjoy the show. A few years ago you were all craving for continuity. Suddenly, the writers attempt to create some continuity with the Veritas story line. Granted, there are some things that may have been stretched, but we are talking about a show based on an alien survivor of an extinct planet with incredible superpowers who miraculously looks like a human. The laws of reality were a bit stretched from episode one. I don't really see how complaining about things now are going to add to the enjoyment of the series. If you truly are a jaded fan, stop watching and stop visiting a forum based on a show that you admit can't seem to summon a bit of positive feelings for.

This public service announcement brought to y ou by Stride Gum (Kryptonite free), Yaris, and Sprint.

Where's the fun in what you suggest?

[Ginx]

I am still...weeks after he is dead...trying to figure out if Lionel was really good or evil before he died. People keep accusing him of trying to keep Clark all to himself. Is that why he was protecting Clark? Did he really kill off all the other Veritas members?

In the end - I think that Lionel was protecting CK, but only because of his interactions with Jor-El - I think that in the beginning, he was evil and killed off the other Veritas members to have CK all to himself. But then after a while and being exposed to other information and seeing how his son was becoming that he was slowly becoming good - but that being said, there were plenty of 'huh, why did Lionel do that again' moments during the various seasons.

I like and hate the Veritas storyline. I think that they are trying to tie stuff together to make sense but that they didn't want to spend a massive amount of time filling in all the holes etc. So they are making some stuff up as they go along.

I never thought that Swann told CK everything he knew - I always felt that Swann was holding back information - maybe because he knew CK wasn't ready or something and thought they had more time together.......

[Kal-alien]

Where's the fun in what you suggest?

The fun lies in Chewing Stride gum while talking on my Sprint phone, and driving to Gotham in my Yaris

[Kevin24]

The fun lies in Chewing Stride gum while talking on my Sprint phone, and driving to Gotham in my Yaris

:rotfl::rotfl:

[stenochick]

I like the Veritas idea, but like it is stated in an earlier post, it contradicts what Virgil Swann told Clark: he only received one transmission from Jor-el that said "this is my son, Kal-el. Protect him and deliver him from evil." Or something like that. Swann told Clark that, although he had been searching for other life out there for a very long time, he only received the transmission around the time of the meteor shower.

In my imagination, to make it work, I have to believe that Swann had all kinds of transmissions and information that he was purposely withholding from Clark. Maybe he planned on sharing it all with Clark once he had enough time to fully trust he could handle the information and then before he could tell Clark, his life was cut short.

But why would Swann withhold all that information about Clark and his origins from Clark?

Maybe Teague is just completely delusional and was making all that stuff up about the "Kryptonian ritual."

That doesn't fit either. According to the episode, Jor-el gave Veritas something that would control his son, Kal-el. So there was more than just the one transmission circa 1989 from Jor-el, intercepted by Swann.

Retcon.

[Zooks]

veritas has been an idea since at least season 4 when Jason was about to call Clark the Traveler to Lex but Lionel shot him before he said anything.