Jor-El sent the "mystery device?" to earth??

[dru-zod2501]

Did I hear Teague right? cause if I did that's a load of crap

[Krypton935]

thats what he said but why is it a load of crap? if clark had grown up wrong and was destroying earth jor-el wouldn't want to be responsible. he would give the humans a chance to protect themselves. anyways no one else could have created it because it would be too advanced or whatnot.

[superspider02]

Msybe it was left by one of jorel relatives in the past who went to earth and he knew about it.

[alienkinfolk]

I don't know about this one because why would Jor-el go thru such great lengths to save his son, build technology to educate his son etc. to just destroy him. Besides does Jor-el really love humans that much?

[RepairmanBob]

thats what he said but why is it a load of crap? if clark had grown up wrong and was destroying earth jor-el wouldn't want to be responsible. he would give the humans a chance to protect themselves. anyways no one else could have created it because it would be too advanced or whatnot.
Jor-El has always been a big fan of the "rule them with strength" school of dealing with humans. Why the hell would he send the humans a Clark-killing device? I mean, Jor-El is nuts (or at leats the AI is nuts), but that makes absolutely zero sense to me.

[biggkoz]

Yeah this show is getting a little far fetched now ...more than it was before.

[CKWannabe]

Well, going wayyy back to that episode in S3...it was the 1961 episode of Jor-El in Smallville, i'm not sure we can say for sure that the orb was sent by Jor-El. If we go by what was presented in that ep. then we know a few things:

1) The Kawatche caves, symbols, drawings, mythology, prophecy...were already established before Jor-El.

2) Jor-El was sent by his father as a "rite of passage".

3) There was a connection between Krypton & Smallville, KS long before Jor-El came along.

One thing's for sure...makes for interesting discussion!

[dru-zod2501]

I don't know about this one because why would Jor-el go thru such great lengths to save his son, build technology to educate his son etc. to just destroy him. Besides does Jor-el really love humans that much?
what he said. That and I'm disgusted with this "Destiny" and Jor-El mapping out every possible move Clark could ever make in his life. There's no point in choosing to be superman cause Jor-El already knows, he's probably got the suit pressed and stashed in a crystal somewhere.

sigh... I feel like I'm about to go the way of jade4813

[jmsnyc]

A lot of Smallville stuff is unique and somewhat contradicts the comics and true history of Superman.

I am not so sure even the writers have an underlying story of the connection to the caves and Jor-El before Superman was on Earth. They just write as they go along.

[curiosity]

Maybe Jor El didn't send it, and one of Clark's Kryptonian enemies did it. Maybe Kara's father did it. Who knows. Edward Teague thinks the messages are from Clark's father, but maybe they were from someone else.

Clark even said his father never would have done that, so maybe that's a hint.

[Theshadow129x]

i have to say kind of like the idea of it. Jor-el isn't as bad as the show is making him out to be. Jor-el sent Clark to earth not to just live/ survive after kryptons explosion, but also to prevent earth from ending up like Krypton from war,famine, and apathy. But like every prediction, nothing is one hundred percent. Jor-el had a contingency plan. If the kents didn't find Clark adn he fell into the hands of someone like Lionel or Lex...or worse of all wasnt found by anyone and raised himself then the world would be in true danger.Jor-el isn't someone that was trying to take over the world just looking for some way to save it and prevent it from ending up like krypton. But if Clark wasnt able to do it then it would be worse than how krypton was. This i think is a very logical choice for a storyline like veritas.

[curiosity]

i have to say kind of like the idea of it. Jor-el isn't as bad as the show is making him out to be. Jor-el sent Clark to earth not to just live/ survive after kryptons explosion, but also to prevent earth from ending up like Krypton from war,famine, and apathy. But like every prediction, nothing is one hundred percent. Jor-el had a contingency plan. If the kents didn't find Clark adn he fell into the hands of someone like Lionel or Lex...or worse of all wasnt found by anyone and raised himself then the world would be in true danger.Jor-el isn't someone that was trying to take over the world just looking for some way to save it and prevent it from ending up like krypton. But if Clark wasnt able to do it then it would be worse than how krypton was. This i think is a very logical choice for a storyline like veritas.

The point is, no parent would want their child done that way. And...just as this epidose showed, a control device for Clark would be a no win situation. Because the control device could fall into the wrong hands, and humans killed each other over it, and are still killing each other over it.

So...yes Clark could become evil, but then why would Jor El believe that? Even if Clark did need controlled, someone evil would kill anyone in order to get the control device, so the control device is actually more evil than Clark could ever be.

It's for this reason that I don't think Jor El did it. Clark is closely related to Jor El, and he even said his father would never have done that. Always in the past, Clark has always believed everything Jor El has done to be something "he would do". In this case Clark says he never would have done that, and in this case Clark may be right. Wouldn't he have some instinct about his own father?

[Theshadow129x]

The point is, no parent would want their child done that way. And...just as this epidose showed, a control device for Clark would be a no win situation. Because the control device could fall into the wrong hands, and humans killed each other over it, and are still killing each other over it.

So...yes Clark could become evil, but then why would Jor El believe that? Even if Clark did need controlled, someone evil would kill anyone in order to get the control device, so the control device is actually more evil than Clark could ever be.

It's for this reason that I don't think Jor El did it. Clark is closely related to Jor El, and he even said his father would never have done that. Always in the past, Clark has always believed everything Jor El has done to be something "he would do". In this case Clark says he never would have done that, and in this case Clark may be right. Wouldn't he have some instinct about his own father?

.....good point.....i think theres something actually big here. there are two kryptonian symbols for teh house of El. Two. Both have been said to be symbols for the family. We have see the 8 symbol and the S symbol....what if it wasnt Jor-el that created the device but Zor-el himself. he needed Clark to set him free from that crystal and Kara was sent to earth to make sure Clark and her found a way to use the crystal in the fortress. what if the transmissions that were sent werent from Jor-el but for Zor-el. zor-el might have told them how to build a device to control clark.....for clark to let him out of the blue crystal he was trapped in......

i know its a lot and its not likely but its a nice thought. Jor-el wouldnt go into a plan thats harmful...someone else created that device.

[Spirit Detective]

Why does the Mystery Device point to the Fortress (which didn't exist when Veritas was formed) ? Is it man made or Kryptonian because it looked like it generated a GPS or something.

[thehenry89]

if jor-el had been a human father living in the US today, clark would have been taken away by cps a looong time ago.

[chantal]

I thought it must be either Zor El or even Zod who made the device, (maybe to install Zod in Kal El's body) and Teague just doesn't know about these Kryptonians, so he thinks every thing is from Jor El.

Are the portals capable of traveling through time as well as space?

[Theshadow129x]

yeah i see what alot of people are saying. there are plot holes like the globe to control teh fortress and blah blah blah but its nto well thought out but golly like i said they tried....lol

[svsabbiesv]

Yea i can see why Jor-El would send something to destroy Clark given that if someone as evil as the Luthors took control the world would be a very different place and soneone needs to be a savior

[Emissary of Justice]

if jor-el had been a human father living in the US today, clark would have been taken away by cps a looong time ago.But Clark isn't human. This what makes the things he does necessary.

[BWOracle]

I think it ties in well with the message from Jor-El at the end of Rosetta where he said…”rule them with strength”. I’ve always thought that was a test by Jor-El to make sure that he didn’t rule by force.

[SuperFan85]

I'm kind of hoping this Orb device turns out to be the Eradicator.

[yosemiteangel]

*scratches head* You heard right, and i have no freakin' idea why. Perhaps we'll get an explan...wait, this is Smallville. We probably won't get an explanation. Ever. :\

[Theshadow129x]

*scratches head* You heard right, and i have no freakin' idea why. Perhaps we'll get an explan...wait, this is Smallville. We probably won't get an explanation. Ever. :\

they already explained it! gosh! pay attention! he wasnt sure if his plan for Clark to be good would be one hundred percent so he sent messages to swann about an artifact that will control Clark if he did turn evil and go rogue! so then Swann would have a way to stop him if he wasnt good. Jor-el was smart because he knew that his plan to let Clark live wasnt 100% good for the benefit of man so he came up with a contingency plan!

[yosemiteangel]

Okay. I guess I didn't quite catch that part. I'll have to watch it again. :\

[RepairmanBob]

I think it ties in well with the message from Jor-El at the end of Rosetta where he said…”rule them with strength”. I’ve always thought that was a test by Jor-El to make sure that he didn’t rule by force.
<!-- / message -->The subsequent branding, mind rape and freezing into a Clark-sickle kind of invalidate that for me. Jor-El is more of a "do what I say or I will make you suffer" dad IMO.
Jor-el was smart because he knew that his plan to let Clark live wasnt 100% good for the benefit of man so he came up with a contingency plan!<!-- / message -->Other than ET's insane ranting, when has there ever been evidence that Jor-El cares more about humans than Clark? Mr. "Rule them with strength" was happy to have Zod'd minions tear up Smallville while Clark got his training. He was happy to turn some poor girl into Kara 1.0, and to have Clark put people in danger after he mind raped him into Kal-El. Why do you think Jor-El would suddenly send random humans a Clark-killing / controlling device?

[Theshadow129x]

Okay. I guess I didn't quite catch that part. I'll have to watch it again. :\

nah you dont have to apologize. i was a jerk i know. its just that its was spelled out right there and i really think it was one of the most original concepts smallville came up with.

[xrayvision]

The orb is not what can control Clark. It's what leads Lex to the FOS where there is something that can do that. I'm hoping that thing is the Eradicator and that it is buried in the ice underneath the FOS. That is how I explained it in my fanfic.