Thread for the heartbroken Smallville/Superman fans

[Hopefulsuicide]

I know that i'll probably be one in few on this, but after watching Apocolypse, i feel heart broken and dissapointed.

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a few seasons now for Smallville to earn it's mantle back as my favourite show. I adore Superman, i love TW's Clark in early seasons, i love MR's Lex too. But i think i finally reached the point where i have given up all hope that Smallville will ever be good again...

...so this thread is for anyone else who feels as much like crying and feeling sorry for yourself as i do! :(

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I really don't wanna be a party pooper... but i just can't stop spiraling into depression now... in my heart of hearts i really and truly have finally given up on Smallville, and that makes me feel like i have no more Superman to watch...

I badly need some old LnC episodes to stop me getting out the ice cream

seriously, what did people like about the episode? other than the hints of clois, there was nothing great about it but the concept itself. i mean the guy coming up with the ideas is amazing, but the people pulling it off are like monkeys in a zoo... they are just throwing faeces at us!

[stenochick]

Please, hopefulsuicide, do not live up to your screenname! Take a walk outside in nature or something. It's just a TV show. Watch the early seasons' DVDs. Check out all the Tom Welling photos on youtube. Just don't stay depressed, it's not worth it.

I really enjoyed this episode. I smiled whenever Clark and Lois were on the screen together. They definitely have chemistry.

Then I read Neil Bailey's review on the superman site and now your thread. I feel despondent too.:(

I am going to go offline now and cheer myself up with the Colbert Report. Do you have that show in England? It is hillarious.

[Hopefulsuicide]

in defense of my name, if i did kill myself over smallville being awful, there would be nothing 'hopeful' about it

but anyway, i'm not that bad... :lol:

i just feel like i need a hug and a good cry... guess i could just be hormonal :p

[kryptonaidxh]

[QUOTE=stenochick;3771276]Please, hopefulsuicide, do not live up to your screenname! Take a walk outside in nature or something. It's just a TV show. Watch the early seasons' DVDs. Check out all the Tom Welling photos on youtube. Just don't stay depressed, it's not worth it.

I really enjoyed this episode. I smiled whenever Clark and Lois were on the screen together. They definitely have chemistry.
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I enjoed a lot to watch a lot of mythos stories like the one between Lois and Clark,and all their secnecnes since the Daily Planet next to Jimmy, very iconic, also Lex, and all his secuences, he looked as a real villian, I liked Kara´s scenes with Clark too, that´s the kind of storylines I would love to watch for the season:)

[Este]

Great thread, Hopefulsuicide. Fits nicely with my thoughts about Smallville at this moment. Apocalypse finally made me understand why I am disappointed with Smallville week after week.
I started watching Smallville, and loved it, really loved it, because of the relationships. Sure, special effects and shirtless Tom Welling are nice, from time to time. But I watched because of the Kents family dynamics, the Luthors father and son struggle, Clark's and Lex's friendship. (I was never interested in any of the romantic plots of Smallville, so Clana, Chlark, Clois left me cold.) The mythology part was good, too. In the earlier seasons, the dynamics were great, the writing was great, there was depth and heart to the show.
And Apocalypse, well, it showed me that this show isn't the show that I fell in love with anymore. They don't care about writing truly compelling human stories anymore. They go for special effects, fights and just overall cheap stuff.
It was changing and going downhill since season 5, I guess, probably even 4. But I didn't want to see the change. Now I do. And I've got "Apocalypse" to thank for that.
And for season 8, no Lex, Lionel, Martha, Jonathan, and the creators are leaving. It leaves us with Clark, Chloe, Kara, Lois and Jimmy. I'm not impressed.

[susangail]

I'm pretty bummed out as well. Lex knowing Clark's secret? Doomsday coming to Smallville? Ew.

[Thrill_Seeker]

in defense of my name, if i did kill myself over smallville being awful, there would be nothing 'hopeful' about it

but anyway, i'm not that bad... :lol:

i just feel like i need a hug and a good cry... guess i could just be hormonal :p

oh please, your sooo dramatic, the show is fine, theres nothing wrong with it.

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Great thread, Hopefulsuicide. Fits nicely with my thoughts about Smallville at this moment. Apocalypse finally made me understand why I am disappointed with Smallville week after week.
I started watching Smallville, and loved it, really loved it, because of the relationships.

then you started watching the show for the WRONG reason. ANYONE should know that the aim or main plot of this show is NOT about the relationships.
Apocalypse was VERY good, thank you very much and the only reason that your not impressed is because you have a stubborn opinion.

[Este]

Apocalypse was VERY good, thank you very much and the only reason that your not impressed is because you have a stubborn opinion.

Am I supposed to take that statement as a fact?

[Yasise]

oh please, your sooo dramatic, the show is fine, theres nothing wrong with it..


well, I'd say, different people have different opinions. I don't like this season so much, too.



then you started watching the show for the WRONG reason. ANYONE should know that the aim or main plot of this show is NOT about the relationships.
Apocalypse was VERY good, thank you very much and the only reason that your not impressed is because you have a stubborn opinion.

Sorry again, but I think, everyone should be free to chose the reason for watching a show on his own, shouldn't he? I actually do believe, that Smallville is more about relationships than about the mythos.

What do you call the "thing" between Lex and Clark then? From season 1 till now everybody wanted to see how they become those enemies later, so I do say, it's all about relationships!

I've been watching it because of the mix of relationship and the superman mythos, and because of the great cast. I think they killed of Jonathan too soon and now Clark doesn't have his mother around either. His love relationship with Lana is soooooo overdue to be finished already, it's a total mess, IMO.

So you can call me stubborn now as well, but that's my opinion.

[pizzaguy19]

then you started watching the show for the WRONG reason. ANYONE should know that the aim or main plot of this show is NOT about the relationships.
Apocalypse was VERY good, thank you very much and the only reason that your not impressed is because you have a stubborn opinion.

Did you even read the rest of his post? He wasn't talking about Clana, Chlark, Clois.

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Personally, while I like the mythos aspect of the show, I didn't grow up obsessed with comic books. While I enjoy a lot (read: all) of the great superhero stories of our times, I *can* do without them.

A huge reason why I still watch this show is Chloe and Clark. You non-ship fans will hate me for this, but I really love it when they work together. It's my greatest wish to see another Chlark kiss. It just disgusts me with the obvious dragging out Clana has been getting for about 3-4 years now. It's even more ridiculous this season, with Clark actively going out with a criminal who shows no remorse for her crimes and would do them all again. Aren't you supposed to be SUPERMAN?

With Chloe I believe he becomes a little more like Superman every day. She always pushes him to accept his destiny and "do the right thing." However he always loses it all the moment he gets back to Lana. Pisses me off. :/ The other crappy thing about this season is Chimmy, and how they keep shoving it down our throats. They even wasted an entire episode on it in Sleeper.

[Yasise]

...................With Chloe I believe he becomes a little more like Superman every day. She always pushes him to accept his destiny and "do the right thing." .

well, don't get me wrong, but IMO Clark should not need someone to be "pushed" to accept his destiny, not Chloe, not Jor-El etc. etc.
He, as the future superman, should make this decision by his own and not because someone has pushed him in that direction. That's so not superman like, IMHO.
He has to "do the right thing" because he believes in doing it by himself, THAT'S actually what superman stands for, IMO.

[stenochick]

in defense of my name, if i did kill myself over smallville being awful, there would be nothing 'hopeful' about it

but anyway, i'm not that bad... :lol:

i just feel like i need a hug and a good cry... guess i could just be hormonal :p

<Cyberhug>

I do see where you are coming from. The worst was when people were posting that the AU wasn't even the "real future" on the show but a virtual reality imagined by Jor-El. Gosh, if that's the case then even Jor-El is taunting me, not just the writers and producers. :\

[dru-zod2501]

I know that i'll probably be one in few on this, but after watching Apocolypse, i feel heart broken and dissapointed.

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a few seasons now for Smallville to earn it's mantle back as my favourite show. I adore Superman, i love TW's Clark in early seasons, i love MR's Lex too. But i think i finally reached the point where i have given up all hope that Smallville will ever be good again...

...so this thread is for anyone else who feels as much like crying and feeling sorry for yourself as i do! :(

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I really don't wanna be a party pooper... but i just can't stop spiraling into depression now... in my heart of hearts i really and truly have finally given up on Smallville, and that makes me feel like i have no more Superman to watch...

I badly need some old LnC episodes to stop me getting out the ice cream

seriously, what did people like about the episode? other than the hints of clois, there was nothing great about it but the concept itself. i mean the guy coming up with the ideas is amazing, but the people pulling it off are like monkeys in a zoo... they are just throwing faeces at us!

I hear ya! we'll pull an LnC marathon c'mon i'll buy ya a drink~!

[Kevin24]

I know it isn't a perfect show but I also don't think it is not as bad as alot of you make it out to be.

All the negative views are exaggerated 10 fold.... Most of people's problem with the show is that they go in with how they want everything to play out and if it doesn't go there way they get annoyed at the show for sucking even though it may only be one small portion of the episode and it ruins the whole experience for them.

If Clark say one annoying thing they don't agree with it starts the "Big Dumb Alien" threads. They completely ignore the positive he does the rest of the show and focus only on that one line he said or that one thing he did or didn't do.

I do have my favorite parts of an episode and parts that I do not like much. I personally never really liked the Lionel/Lex scenes but I know alot of people love them and they were about half the episode most of the time! I guess what I'm trying to say is your expectations are so high for the show that a good solid episode like Apocolypse comes along and it does exactly what most people have asked for but the slight mention of Lana just ruins everything for them. He did mention her in this episode but It wasn't him "whining about her"

Anyway, I do understand how you feel because I really like the earlier seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer but when Angel left that show and then Dawn came on then Spike fell in love with Buffy.....I lost interest in the show. So I totally get what you are saying for you it just lost that magic it used to have......and I don't know what needs to happen on the show for you to get that magic back....

Sadly, I think you just go into every episode expecting not to like it and usually that mentality makes those expectations a reality for you.

[berniepooh]

I was also greatly disappointed with the epi. The acting was fine, and I think TW did a good job of directing what it was.....but the script development wasn't where is should have been. The concept was dynamite...but I got the feeling the story needed to cook a while longer in the writer's room. It needed a couple re-writes to tighten up the loose ends.

[Cogito17]

I agree with most of what Kevin24 said. And also, as weird as this may sound, I think K-site sometimes can make you jaded against the show with all the negativity.

One other thing to consider is that the opinions on K-Site do not necessarily reflect those of the general viewing audience. Some people on K-Site may keep watching because they love Superman or hope the show gets better, but I assure you that 3 and a half million viewers are not tuning in every week just for those reasons, most people won't stick with a show even if they don't like it. If the show was truly the mess that some people make it out to be, it wouldn't have stayed around for 8 seasons.

Avid fans with high expectations are entitled to be disgruntled. But, it seems to me those are the opinions of a vocal minority, not necessarily the majority of the fans. As Kevin24 said, its more intense fans with very high or very specific expectations who are let down and respond negatively. Other people I know that watch the show more casually and have never heard of K-site look at me like I am crazy when I bring up some of the complaints I hear on this site.

Anyways, sorry to hear you are "losing hope" etc.

[Kevin24]

And also, as weird as this may sound, I think K-site sometimes can make you jaded against the show with all the negativity.

I know exactly what you mean by that comment! It does sometime hinder my enjoyment of the show. I already imagine all the negative comments when after I watch and episode. Basically, I great ready for the debates after an episode and make sure I got all my main points ready for the showdowns lol

Instead of watching it for entertainment, it becomes a source of information for your arguments

Also, when I said I didn't really like the Lionel/Lex scenes I didn't mean I hated them or just do something else while thats going on but I meant that it wasn't really a highlight for me........I thought they were ok but I mostly really just want to see Clark and what he does ......Usually when Clark is the main focus of the show I tend to really love those episodes the most.

[Yasise]

........Sadly, I think you just go into every episode expecting not to like it and usually that mentality makes those expectations a reality for you.

Sorry, but what you've wrote above is just so not true!

I can only speak for myself of course and I want to tell you, that I don't watch the episodes of Smallville and expect to not like it, at all! Sorry, but this statement of yours is just not true!
I watch Smallville in spite of episodes like "Sleeper", because I always hope, that there will be an episode like "Descent" or "Apocalypse" (which was good IMO) after that.

But, as I posted a few times already in other threads, this season will not be one of my favourite seasons and this has several reasons, e.g. the storyline of Kara, which I don't like at all, the neverending Clana Drama and the most the lack of enthusiasm concerning the acting of the cast, which is so obvious when compared to the earlier seasons.

(Sorry, I've mentioned these reasons for so many times now and I won't do it again.
But I couldn't resist to post these in here, too.)

[Sweetie]

I think Apocalyspe would have been much better if it was a two part episode.It seem really rushed.Clark should have see his biologic father from far away and realise that he is not the monster that he think he is.I enjoy the episode:Brainiac is an amazing character,Clois part,how Clark put on his glasses very"Chris Reeve like",AU Chloe happy and calm,didn't have time to help him,AU Lana happilly married and Lex,the president who wanted to blow up the planet.Clark ended dead in AU probably a warning from Jor-El that he really has to stop holding himself back and accept his destiny.

[smallvillelogan]

Hopefulsuicide, you are right. You are a bigger complainer about the show than Kirstycol. Based on your username and constant posts, I'm afraid that you might be depressed, and for that, I sincerely feel sorry for you. Just remember that it's just a TV show!

By the way, this episode was acclaimed by TV journalists all over.

[Kevin24]

Sorry, but what you've wrote above is just so not true!

I can only speak for myself of course and I want to tell you, that I don't watch the episodes of Smallville and expect to not like it, at all! Sorry, but this statement of yours is just not true!
I watch Smallville in spite of episodes like "Sleeper", because I always hope, that there will be an episode like "Descent" or "Apocalypse" (which was good IMO) after that.

But, as I posted a few times already in other threads, this season will not be one of my favourite seasons and this has several reasons, e.g. the storyline of Kara, which I don't like at all, the neverending Clana Drama and the most the lack of enthusiasm concerning the acting of the cast, which is so obvious when compared to the earlier seasons.

(Sorry, I've mentioned these reasons for so many times now and I won't do it again.
But I couldn't resist to post these in here, too.)

I did generalize when I said that comment but that is the vibe i have gotten from some posters on this site. They just watch it to find the flaws and bash the show.

I was one of those people who wasn't really looking forward to having Kara on the show but after watching this season with her in it....I'm glad they brought her on the show. The Clark and Lana relationship....I have always enjoyed it but I guess I'm just a sucker for that kind of stuff.:lol: I think alot of the acting has to do with the tone of the episodes , they have all been very dark and emotional.

I think season 7 is one of the best seasons of smallville, its crazy how i can like it so much and you can think it's one of the worst seasons smallville has to offer. Strange how things work like that.....


I think Apocalyspe would have been much better if it was a two part episode.It seem really rushed.Clark should have see his biologic father from far away and realise that he is not the monster that he think he is.I enjoy the episode:Brainiac is an amazing character,Clois part,how Clark put on his glasses very"Chris Reeve like",AU Chloe happy and calm,didn't have time to help him,AU Lana happilly married and Lex,the president who wanted to blow up the planet.Clark ended dead in AU probably a warning from Jor-El that he really has to stop holding himself back and accept his destiny.

I would have definitely loved to see Apocalypse be a two parter!!

[colonyofcells]

I feel bad that Kristin prefers to do other projects so the Clark and Lana love has to end in Season 7. I would prefer Clark and Lana to be totally happy not knowing the future as if the relationship could last forever. I would prefer Smallville to end with Clark and Lana very happy so viewers can look back to it with fond memories of Clark and Lana together.
In the Superboy comic books, Clark and Lana are always together and there is no suggestion at all that the relationship will ever end.

The main problem I noticed in season 7 was that Clark and Lana seem mysteriously self conscious that their relationship will not last forever. Season 7 seemed to have been done just to make it easier to kick Lana out so Season 7 was not as enjoyable as the previous seasons. Season 7 also seemed like it was rushing towards Lois and Clark probably bec. the desperate creators knew Kristin wants out and is out of their control. It felt like Lois and Clark was suddenly being pushed on the viewers becoming very evident in the episode Apocalypse.

[All about Clark]

I know exactly what you mean by that comment! It does sometime hinder my enjoyment of the show. I already imagine all the negative comments when after I watch and episode. Basically, I great ready for the debates after an episode and make sure I got all my main points ready for the showdowns lol

Instead of watching it for entertainment, it becomes a source of information for your arguments

Also, when I said I didn't really like the Lionel/Lex scenes I didn't mean I hated them or just do something else while thats going on but I meant that it wasn't really a highlight for me........I thought they were ok but I mostly really just want to see Clark and what he does ......Usually when Clark is the main focus of the show I tend to really love those episodes the most.

I have to agree with this. The same people are negative and it's hard to remain positive. On a rare ocassion I agree with them, but mostly feel like I have to fight for the show and present the positives.

I'm not sure why, but I've never really been a fan of Lex. The Lionel/Lex scenes in early seasons were just painful to watch. I've come to love Lionel over time, Glover adds something special to that character, but still never warmed to Lex. I've only seen him as wanting whatever it is he doesn't get (spoiled brat), like he deserves anything he wants because he's Lex Luthor, and I just want to scream at him to join the rest of the world.

[Kevin24]

I have to agree with this. The same people are negative and it's hard to remain positive. On a rare ocassion I agree with them, but mostly feel like I have to fight for the show and present the positives.

I'm not sure why, but I've never really been a fan of Lex. The Lionel/Lex scenes in early seasons were just painful to watch. I've come to love Lionel over time, Glover adds something special to that character, but still never warmed to Lex. I've only seen him as wanting whatever it is he doesn't get (spoiled brat), like he deserves anything he wants because he's Lex Luthor, and I just want to scream at him to join the rest of the world.

I liked Lex when he was friends with Clark. So i liked him alot more during the first 3 seasons but from then on I started to dislike him more and more. He had his nice moments here and there but overall I see him as Clark's enemy.

For some strange reason I always hoped he would stay a good guy but I knew he would convert to the evil side soon enough....That is the only side of Lex I liked his good side .

Plus I don't think we are even supposed to like Lex he is the bad guy! :lol:

[ox007]

Well IMO the show has been getting worse since season 5, esp. since they killed off JK. Later removed Martha (from the show). It was all too soon for Clark, he needed them to develop himself further, now he's got no one that close by his side so he is developing slower since season 5 and after watching some episodes I would even say going backwords :) but in some other epis forward again :) it is confusing! For me the first 3 seasons and let's say 4th season too, were the best. I'm still watching Smallville and enjoy it in spite of the facts I've mentioned before, but it's not the same for me as it was in the past. And season 8 news don't sound ecouraging at all..

[colonyofcells]

Season 7 was also funny in that in the early episodes, lex was trying to be a good guy again bec. of his rescue by Kara and then without any explanation, lex became totally bad again culminating in the apocalypse episode wherein lex had this crazy plan on reducing the earth's population. I do not see any development in seasons 1-6 to suggest that Lex was ever worried about overpopulation. Lex was just obssessed about fighting the alien invasion in the past seasons of Smallville.
Lex and Clark were great as both friends and enemies bec. I think they had similar desires but Lex chose to use illegal means to achieve his desires. It is easy to have sympathy for Lex bec. I am sure many people will break the law if they can get away with it like Lex can.
For season 8, my suggestion is for post-Lana Clark to fall in love with the new female villain and only later find out that they are on opposite sides sort of like Romeo and Juliet or Batman and Talia. I think either Talia or Contessa would be good replacements for Lex in season 8. Enemies who are in love make for interesting stories just as friends who become enemies was good for Smallville in the first 7 seasons.
My old teacher did say to love your enemies.
I myself try not to hate enemies and I prefer to understand them, because we are all driven by irrational desires.

[Kevin24]

Season 7 was also funny in that in the early episodes, lex was trying to be a good guy again bec. of his rescue by Kara and then without any explanation, lex became totally bad again culminating in the apocalypse episode wherein lex had this crazy plan on reducing the earth's population. I do not see any development in seasons 1-6 to suggest that Lex was ever worried about overpopulation. Lex was just obssessed about fighting the alien invasion in the past seasons of Smallville.
Lex and Clark were great as both friends and enemies bec. I think they had similar desires but Lex chose to use illegal means to achieve his desires. It is easy to have sympathy for Lex bec. I am sure many people will break the law if they can get away with it like Lex can.
For season 8, my suggestion is for post-Lana Clark to fall in love with the new female villain and only later find out that they are on opposite sides sort of like Romeo and Juliet or Batman and Talia. I think either Talia or Contessa would be good replacements for Lex in season 8. Enemies who are in love make for interesting stories just as friends who become enemies was good for Smallville in the first 7 seasons.
My old teacher did say to love your enemies.
I myself try not to hate enemies and I prefer to understand them, because we are all driven by irrational desires.


That sounds pretty sweet to me. Enemies in love but don't know that they are really enemies awesome!!

I agree with you with the whole Lana/Clark relationship too...I don't like the way they are ending their relationship.....it's to sour.

[All about Clark]

Season 7 was also funny in that in the early episodes, lex was trying to be a good guy again bec. of his rescue by Kara and then without any explanation, lex became totally bad again culminating in the apocalypse episode wherein lex had this crazy plan on reducing the earth's population. I do not see any development in seasons 1-6 to suggest that Lex was ever worried about overpopulation.

Actually in Rogue there was a comment about ruling the world by the time he reached 30 and a girl told Lex that he still had time. And a guess with fewer people in the world you would have fewer enemies to worry about.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Hopefulsuicide, you are right. You are a bigger complainer about the show than Kirstycol. Based on your username and constant posts, I'm afraid that you might be depressed, and for that, I sincerely feel sorry for you. Just remember that it's just a TV show!

By the way, this episode was acclaimed by TV journalists all over.

you know what, i am so sick of this

i post an opinion, and if it isnt roses and rainbows i'm a depressed person?

FYI my name, as i have to keep explaining to people, pertains to moments like Buffy's dive into the gateway between dimensions. when a hero sacrifices himself/herself to save the world. like Superman does sometimes too! and i love moment like that, they are so strong and make me love the hero so intensely. It has nothing to do with me being a depressed person or wanting to slit my wrists or anything. it's a literary statement

based on my user name a constant posts? so if i posted less i'd be happier? well i think you might be offending a lot of people on here considering im only at 3000 after 5 years on this site

i'm not trying to be dramatic, or 'make the episodes out' to be anything... i'm just making the same mistake i seem to constantly make in the real world too...

... i'm being honest

i love this site and i love Smallville. and when i watch an episode i immediately come on this site and tell people exactly how i made it feel. i shouldnt have to pretty up my opinion just because people dont like it

im constantly accused of argueing about the show just for the sake of it, but you and other people have come on this thread i made in ORDER TO ARGUE against me...

i'm not the only person who feels bitterly dissapointed with the show, the season, and the episode

yeah i analyse Smallville ALOT, just like every other Superman media, every episode of Buffy, every episode of Alias etc... i've even started analysing Dollhouse, and its not even out yet!

but none of my opinions have been consistently low since half way through this season of Smallville... i have never ever been so affected negatively by a show, because i LOVE it sooooo much and it hurts to see it performing so badly next to shows that are a lot better IMO

i know that people who enjoy the show and simply love it no matter what do not like to read any post that puts a new episode down, but i'm not going to stop just because some people don't like to hear complaints. it's a free country and a free board for my opinions as long as i am working within the rules, which i am

thankyou

:lol:

p.s. don't feel sorry for me... i have a wonderful life!

[Este]

i'm not the only person who feels bitterly dissapointed with the show, the season, and the episode

No, you're not.

But I wonder to what degree the strike has harmed Smallville.
The writing is very bad right now, and has been for almost all this season. In season 6, even though the storylines were not that uplifting, the writing of the episodes remained okay to good, for the most part (I still remember my confused disappointment about Subterranean). But now - plot hole over plot hole, inconsistencies, unnatural sounding dialogue, Clark forgetting to use his powers, Clark out of character so much it actually hurts to watch and listen.
Yes, Smallville is one of the few shows that managed to almost complete its season. But I wonder if they wrote most of the episodes in a rush and didn't have time for a proper proofreading?

I can forgive Smallville a lot, because I love the show. But at some point, my brain just refuses to shut down on all things that feel wrong. And I am tired of being disappointed.

[Hopefulsuicide]

yeah i agree, season 6 still upheld the standard of writing i was used to enjoying from Smallville

i think half the problem is that the writers have become lazy and apathetic. i mean if you look at the ratings, it doesnt seem to matter whether they write well or not, they still attract the same audience. so why bother putting in an effort?

i think the masses have shot the fans in the foot tbh

[Yasise]

i love this site and i love Smallville. and when i watch an episode i immediately come on this site and tell people exactly how i made it feel. i shouldnt have to pretty up my opinion just because people dont like it

you're right. This is a platform where we are able to discuss all about Smallville and I would find it utterly boring if people would only post nice things and would be afraid to talk about things they didn't like about the show.


i'm not the only person who feels bitterly dissapointed with the show, the season, and the episode

No, you're not. I'm not dissappointed with "Apocalypse" as you are, but I'm dissappointed with season 7 in general. IMO it's far behind the other seasons.


... i have never ever been so affected negatively by a show, because i LOVE it sooooo much and it hurts to see it performing so badly next to shows that are a lot better IMO

yes, it really hurts me, too, and depresses me, too. And having these feelings only shows that we still care about Smallville very much. But even if you love someone or something you're not able to close your eyes to his/its faults forever.



No, you're not.

But I wonder to what degree the strike has harmed Smallville.

Maybe the strike did affect the writers, but actually I doubt that. I'm afraid the writers are kind of resting on their laurels due to the success the show had in the first seasons. I'm afraid they are too confident and therefore not making too much of an effort to excel theirselves.



I can forgive Smallville a lot, because I love the show. But at some point, my brain just refuses to shut down on all things that feel wrong. And I am tired of being disappointed.

yeah, me, too :(


yeah i agree, season 6 still upheld the standard of writing i was used to enjoying from Smallville

i think half the problem is that the writers have become lazy and apathetic. i mean if you look at the ratings, it doesnt seem to matter whether they write well or not, they still attract the same audience. so why bother putting in an effort?

i think the masses have shot the fans in the foot tbh

yeah, as I wrote above, they're not lazy and apathetic, they're just resting on their laurels. They also know for sure, that the fans won't give up Smallville so easily, so there's maybe no need or urge for them to raise the quality to the level of the earlier seasons again.
As you said so rigthly, "why bother putting in an effort"? Obviously the increasing ratings don't bother them either.:(

[Theshadow129x]

hopefulsuicide, dont mind the people that say bad things about you. They dont like your opinion then they are closed minded people. I welcome your opinion as much as the next person. With that said, I agree that this episode didnt do much but hint at things we want but will more than likely never come to life on the show. there was alot of disappointment i had in this episode. I just cant explain it. Okay yeah I can.

Once again, for another week, Clark ponders about what life would be without him and blames himself for everything. Why? because Lana's still in a coma? Yes. But we already know that her being comatose wasnt his fault. She made a conscious decision to stick by him when he told her things will get dangerous and she stuck by him knowing she was in the cross hairs.

At the end of the show, Lex shows up to give a helping hand for Lana. Why? to Help? I thought we were over that since everyone in Smallville wants to think he was a prick, he became one. So why have Lex show up to lend a helping hand? Not that i didnt like the scene, but i want more than that at this stage of the show.

Also, the disappointing scene on krypton. It was obviously rushed. Clark shows up out of no where to fight brainiac. He just automatically knows where Brainiac and Kara are and how to save himself....stuff like this has to be explained, not to be just placed on the screen. And then Clark doesnt fight brainiac to save his baby self he gets beat up and then Kara kicks brainiacs but...its horrible! and then we dont see Clark return the baby back to his father he just launches himself into space as krypton explodes....doing away with the memory of his parents in memoria! its terrible

Also...i had a huge problem with the time traveling thing. The fortress can send you back to the past...again....We were told in the past that Clark could only make one time traveling trip in his life, but they do it again? Thats crap because like i said whats to stop him from changing the future more by going back to keep the proof of what happened to lionel the day he was killed? there are things they have to consider before writing these scripts and they didnt.

Yeah i enjoyed it when it first aired..but when i thought about it, the episode was horrible.

[ox007]

Good points Theshadown I've got nothing more to add except the thing that I've been saying in other threads - Kara shouldn't be on Smallville at all! That was a mistake to bring her in at this stage of CK's development. Clark should be in the center of the show and have more abilities than Kara, and if she's in the show and we can't change it, CK should teach her more cause he's been living on earth for 20 years or so and - she - a year? Her character is put into the show just to add another pretty face and to have more characters from Superman mythos IMO, who are not needed at this time of the show. We've had already tons of characters from DC overshadowing Clark and that's enough. We don't need more, esp. we don't need Doomsday in season 8.

BTW DC made Doomsday kill Supes only cause the sell of Superman comics fell down and to postpond Lois and Clarks' wedding to fit Lois and Clark series.

[Yasise]

Good points Theshadown I've got nothing more to add except the thing that I've been saying in other threads - Kara shouldn't be on Smallville at all! That was a mistake to bring her in at this stage of CK's development. Clark should be in the center of the show and have more abilities than Kara, and if she's in the show and we can't change it, CK should teach her more cause he's been living on earth for 20 years or so and - she - a year? Her character is put into the show just to add another pretty face and to have more characters from Superman mythos IMO, who are not needed at this time of the show. We've had already tons of characters from DC overshadowing Clark and that's enough. We don't need more, esp. we don't need Doomsday in season 8.

BTW DC made Doomsday kill Supes only cause the sell of Superman comics fell down and to postpond Lois and Clarks' wedding to fit Lois and Clark series.

I so much agree with you concerning Kara and Doomsday next season.
They don't let Clark fly, so he's not Superman yet, but they're going to bring in superman's biggest enemy next to Lex...???
This is so not good I'm afraid.:(

[Jaded Wolf]

Hopefulsuicide, you are right. You are a bigger complainer about the show than Kirstycol. Based on your username and constant posts, I'm afraid that you might be depressed, and for that, I sincerely feel sorry for you. Just remember that it's just a TV show!

By the way, this episode was acclaimed by TV journalists all over.

^^^Certified psychologist??? Since when have TV journalists been reliable???

I agree with Hopefulsuicide. This season has not lived up to the potential it could have. I don't necessarily agree this episode was the worse after watching "Sleeper" but there were some disappointments with it. Now with the announcement of Doomsday (which is not a spolier in the technical sense if you read the "News" section of the site) for Season 8 it just seems like the writers are throwing more gimmicks. Like I have said in other posts, I love Superman and the mythos, and at one time I thought Smallville was on par with shows like Buffy and Angel, but ever since the writers jumped shark and started all these gimmick episodes, my like for this show has steadily decreased. I watch it still out of the hope to get some good episodes and out of plain curiousity to see how they'll wrap this series up.

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FYI my name, as i have to keep explaining to people, pertains to moments like Buffy's dive into the gateway between dimensions. when a hero sacrifices himself/herself to save the world. like Superman does sometimes too! and i love moment like that, they are so strong and make me love the hero so intensely. It has nothing to do with me being a depressed person or wanting to slit my wrists or anything.

i love this site and i love Smallville. and when i watch an episode i immediately come on this site and tell people exactly how i made it feel. i shouldnt have to pretty up my opinion just because people dont like it

im constantly accused of argueing about the show just for the sake of it, but you and other people have come on this thread i made in ORDER TO ARGUE against me...

i'm not the only person who feels bitterly dissapointed with the show, the season, and the episode

I completely agree and love the reason behind your name. I admit I was curious and concerned (only because the psych major in me kicked in) but I wouldn't go so far as to diagnose you like the other poster. Buffy rules all though in case you needed to know! LOL ;)

[Atomic girl]

I was given hope (soon to be squashed probably) by Apocalypse. Clark seemed to have learned a bit about life without him, and he was wrong. Life wouldn't have been better without him on earth. Now if he could just carry some of that determination over to the next eppys.....

[dru-zod2501]

since following the canadians talk about "Quest" I once again feel the need to join this thread again. After tonight I fear for my favorite heroine; the rest of the show has gone to pot long ago but my last hope is fading mad fast *tears*

[Hopefulsuicide]

Yeah i enjoyed it when it first aired..but when i thought about it, the episode was horrible.

this is exactly how i feel about every season 7 episode so far... and i can't figure out why! people keep saying it's because we analyse it, but ive been on the site 5 years and never had this problem before...

i'm wondering if maybe i watched the whole 8th season in one go, i wouldnt have time to analyse... then maybe i might enjoy it... but then i'd have to stop coming to k-site for like a year...

so now it becomes, whats more important to me; the possibility i might enjoy Smallville, or my continued enjoyment of K-site... its such a hard choice :lol:

i may actually make a thread about my name, i mean im getting a little tired of people PMing me telling me there is stuff to live for :rotfl:

[smallvillelogan]

hopefulsuicide, dont mind the people that say bad things about you. They dont like your opinion then they are closed minded people.

I am not closed minded. In fact, I read most of hopefulsuicide's posts. I consider her opinions. I just USUALLY disagree with them.

I'm glad that hopefulsuicide has a wonderful life, and her username does not reflect her mindset.

I for one enjoyed a lot of parts of Apocalypse, but had problems with plenty of it. It definitely wasn't the strongest episode of the season, and wasn't as good a milestone episode as Reckoning was, IMO.

I just wanted to point out that on TV Guide channel and in newspapers, Smallville got a lot more attention because of Apocalypse, meaning that the general perception outside of crazed fans like us was that it was one of the show's better episodes.

Peripheral people that just know about the show, but don't watch it, like the moments when Lois and Clark have romantic scenes, or Clark does something or is dressed somehow that reflects the Superman story. That is why Apocalypse was regarded as one of the stronger episodes of the season in the media.

[Theshadow129x]

^ but thats the thing. the episodes that show a lois and Clark relationship are those kind of things the show doesnt build upon. They hint at it, but the next week its like it never happened making more fans frustrated and unsatisfied with the series.

I, like many other people, watch the show because I love superman but Im starting to believe i've wasted my time because the pay off at this point isnt going to be worth it. We're teased on a week by week basis of what could happen after the show is over.

I also am undecided about the whole doomsday thing. I'm not sure about watching the show after MR has left. Look he is the best actor on the show. Some of the best moments come from just him alone...and if not him than him being with other people like that great scene between Tom Welling and him in descent or him and John Glover...in almost every episode they speak in lol.

I'm not sure about Smallville after this season to be honest with you. I never thought I would admire Lex Luthor more than Superman, as it would seem he is the only character that has had a significant build up and growth. The idea of Smallville continuing on without him with 2nd class villains coming into the fold hurts my thoughts and hopes for the conclusion of a once good series. Heck MR said the show was only designed for 5 seasons and as I have seen thats true as we've received rehashed storylines, villains, and relationships after season 5.

The way Clark has been written, it'll be hard to see Clark become the man of steel in just one season as he has regressed alot over just 2 seasons with bickering, whining, and pining for a girlfriend who told him to his face she doesnt see how she ever loved him and was also sleeping with his former best friend and enemy and then married him. WTF! There needs to be alot of build up for him to be the Man in the Suit. He's too selfish to become Superman. If Smallville took place 5 years from not, a la one tree hill style, I wouldnt be angry with it because it would help Clark build his character. However, if they just take off where they leave this season then it'll just sadly disappoint for the concluding season for the origin of the worlds first and greatest superhero.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I am not closed minded. In fact, I read most of hopefulsuicide's posts. I consider her opinions. I just USUALLY disagree with them.

I'm glad that hopefulsuicide has a wonderful life, and her username does not reflect her mindset.

I for one enjoyed a lot of parts of Apocalypse, but had problems with plenty of it. It definitely wasn't the strongest episode of the season, and wasn't as good a milestone episode as Reckoning was, IMO.

I just wanted to point out that on TV Guide channel and in newspapers, Smallville got a lot more attention because of Apocalypse, meaning that the general perception outside of crazed fans like us was that it was one of the show's better episodes.

Peripheral people that just know about the show, but don't watch it, like the moments when Lois and Clark have romantic scenes, or Clark does something or is dressed somehow that reflects the Superman story. That is why Apocalypse was regarded as one of the stronger episodes of the season in the media.

oh, its definately one of the stronger episodes of the series, and in theory it's a brilliant idea and a lot of fun

i don't mean to make it sound like i hated this episode a lot... i didnt, it was pretty good

it's just, when i was watching it, i had a very hopeless epiphany. when Clark didn't try and see Jonathon i knew it... when Clark was on Krypton i knew it... when Lex approached Clark in the barn, when he took off the glasses after about two seconds of wearing them, when he attempted to reason with Lex etc etc

i knew Smallville would never be my favourite show again... and i knew it had no heart, no soul, no passion

i know i'm probably a totally over dramatic person... but thats what obsession is :lol:... i mean have you heard English guys talk about football?

[STFanatic]

I hear ya! we'll pull an LnC marathon c'mon i'll buy ya a drink~!

I really loved Lois & Clark (http://video.aol.com/video-category/lois-and-clark/103209). (Still do) :D

[Hopefulsuicide]

me tooooooo! :(

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

I'll join in that marathon, right now after reading the new spoilers, I THINK SMALLVILLE IS GOING TO THE DOGS ,THERE IS ONLY TWO THINGS THAT MAKE ME EVEN WANT TO SEE ARCTIC :mad::mad::mad::(:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(

[Humdinger]

As much as I've b*tched about plot holes, lame story lines, and the direction of the show - I can't help myself, I'm in it till the end. It does make me sad that the show has been on for so long, and Clark still has not fulfilled his destiny. I'm hopeful, at the very least, that TPTB will get there in S8.

[HalJordan4184]

The problem I have, as a lot of people know, especially HopefulSuicide, is that at this late of a stage in the game, I can't even see the show ending up where it was supposed to in any kind of believable way. It all feels too lightswitchy to me. You can't have Clark actively avoid something for seven years, and then totally embrace it in six months, and completely change around his life. It just isn't going to work for me anymore, because they spent so much time trying to say Clark isn't Superman, they forgot Clark actually does have to "become" that.

[STFanatic]

I believe that is why they are retconning a lot of things, so they can try to recover from what they should have presented in earlier seasons.

[Hopefulsuicide]

They spent so much time trying to say Clark isn't Superman, they forgot Clark actually does have to "become" that.

what a wonderful way to put it! :) entirely encompasses why the show failed for me

[berniepooh]

I'll join in that marathon, right now after reading the new spoilers, I THINK SMALLVILLE IS GOING TO THE DOGS ,THERE IS ONLY TWO THINGS THAT MAKE ME EVEN WANT TO SEE ARCTIC :mad::mad::mad::(:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(

Are they holding up Lois' low cut tops????

[Theshadow129x]

The problem I have, as a lot of people know, especially HopefulSuicide, is that at this late of a stage in the game, I can't even see the show ending up where it was supposed to in any kind of believable way. It all feels too lightswitchy to me. You can't have Clark actively avoid something for seven years, and then totally embrace it in six months, and completely change around his life. It just isn't going to work for me anymore, because they spent so much time trying to say Clark isn't Superman, they forgot Clark actually does have to "become" that.

unfortunately, that is the truth. Too much time is spent on drama and not the true character development when it comes to Clark. I know for a fact that next season that'll happen to him will be nothing less than a light switch because he still hasn't moved towards being his own person yet. I think thats why a lot of people have turned away from the show, because they've gone into territories that most of us think aren't credible.

[berniepooh]

Think positive thoughts people. Life can change unexpectedly, in a month, in a week, in a day, sometimes in a split second. These are known as life altering events, and you are never the same again. You become a different person.

If the team of writers can figure out how to orchestrate a life altering moment for ClarK they can reconcile him to understanding and accepting the love that Jor El has for him, they can also figure out how to make Clark's character embrace his Kryptonian heritage, a Kryptonian education (training), his Kryptonain identity (Kal El) and tie together all the other loose ends. If everyone is committed to this being the final season, 22 episodes is plenty of time for this transition to occur. It could be highly dramatic and satisfying for the viewing audience. Please stay tuned.
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[Hopefulsuicide]

that's a couple of very big if's...

but i'll still watch... i'm a smallville addict, doesnt matter how terrible it gets :(

[STFanatic]

It is not like I am going to forget seven years of watching a series and give up on the final season.

No matter how they handle it, I will be watching ;)

[smallvillelogan]

If the team of writers can figure out how to orchestrate a life altering moment for ClarK they can reconcile him to understanding and accepting the love that Jor El has for him, they can also figure out how to make Clark's character embrace his Kryptonian heritage, a Kryptonian education (training), his Kryptonain identity (Kal El) and tie together all the other loose ends. If everyone is committed to this being the final season, 22 episodes is plenty of time for this transition to occur. It could be highly dramatic and satisfying for the viewing audience. Please stay tuned.
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I think the life-altering moment should have just recently happened, in Apocalypse, where he sees what life on Earth would be without him. If a moment like this doesn't change him, I don't know what will. Secondly, I think Clark has accepted his Kryptonian heritage. Next, earlier this season, he once went to train (the episode Kara), but Jor-El refused, saying that first he had to find his potentially dangerous cousin. As for his identity, he hasn't accepted that yet.