Proof! Without Chloe's help Clark grows a brain.

[Minela]

Without Chloe there to help him Clark suddenly mans up and starts thinking for himself. Who would have thought? Me, that's who.

He took charge, went to meet with Lois' informant, figured who the informant was all on his own, using his own brain. He was so manly, I was really proud of him. This is proof that Clark doesn't need anybody holding his hand and that he can most certainly step out of the BDA persona when need be. Unfortunately in the real verse he doesn't have the need. :rolleyes:

[dru-zod2501]

it's not chloe's fault he refuses to man up in the RW

[chlo-el]

In the RW he was looking for stuff on Lois computer on his own. And Clark needed the info. that Lois had in order to go after Lex. He went to AUJimmy in the similar way that Clark has gone to Chloe but since Jimmy is an iconic charcter it's ok but when it's Chloe she's babying him. Go figure.

And AULois slightly pushed Clark in similar ways that Chloe slightly pushes Clark to go save the world. And when Chloe is in trouble Clark does find things on his own so he can save her, an example of that is Cure. And Clark started to look for the reasons that AULois went to jail so he can save her also.

[jimmyolsenblues]

the writers choose never to have us hear clark's internal thoughts ,you know like a clark voice over of his thoughts, they have decide to have every discussion out loud with chloe not the best way to grow into superman relying on chloe 24/7. even bizarro needed chloe's help. did anyone see Magnum P.I.? the show's best part's were thought voice overs.

[chlo-el]

^^And w/out voice overs or Chloe Clark ended up talking to himself seeming like he was crazy.

[borednow]

It's amazing that when Chloe is in the vicinity that he forgets how to breath isn't it...

[RepairmanBob]

the writers choose never to have us hear clark's internal thoughts ,you know like a clark voice over of his thoughts, they have decide to have every discussion out loud with chloe not the best way to grow into superman relying on chloe 24/7. even bizarro needed chloe's help. did anyone see Magnum P.I.? the show's best part's were thought voice overs.
I have to say, an episode with Scrubs / Magnum PI / Veronica Mars VO would be fun. I liked how that was used by Chloe in Thirst.

That being said, 42 minutes of hearing Clark say "Lana Lana Lana Lana" would grow a bit tiresome.

I also agree needs more people to talk to. Clana talks are always about Secrets and Lies, I don't care about Kara, and Chlark always seems to be "save the world / Lana" business chats. I usually dislike Clois, but it was nice to see Clark talk to someone else else at the end of Apocolyapse. Clark needs to get some new friends next season!

It's amazing that when Chloe is in the vicinity that he forgets how to breath isn't it...
Hell, when Lana is around he forgets to do much of anything at all.

I do agree that it was been really poor writing this season to have Clark so dependent on Chloe's help and Chloe reduced to Clark's personal Chloogle. It does not do either character any favors. I liked to dynamic more in earlier seasons, when there was more scoobying and an equal division of labor. Smart Clark is always a good thing.

[AlwaysRight]

He went to AUJimmy in the similar way that Clark has gone to Chloe but since Jimmy is an iconic charcter it's ok but when it's Chloe she's babying him. Go figure.

I would have no problem with Clark running to Choogle asking her for 1 piece of info if he could think for himself what to do with it. That being said all jimmy found clark was info on Lana and the fact Clark sort of tricked him into finding the info for him(saying he is his favorite photographer) adds to Clark using his brain.


And AULois slightly pushed Clark in similar ways that Chloe slightly pushes Clark to go save the world.

No Clark on his own wanted to save the world, AULois only gave him 1 piece of info that Clark used to figure out what was going on by himself. AULois didn't have to kick Clarks butt and tell him he needs to save the world(which makes clark look weak)


And when Chloe is in trouble Clark does find things on his own so he can save her, an example of that is Cure.

Problem is this is the exception more then a rule with Clark and Chloe. Cure was one of 2 Chloe driven plots this season and having Clark chase her did make him look heroic. They could use this plotline more often to make Clark look Heroic but they don't.


And Clark started to look for the reasons that AULois went to jail so he can save her also.

Great that Clark, himself was the one looking for info, makes him look more intelligent.

[wolverine316]

Without Chloe there to help him Clark suddenly mans up and starts thinking for himself. Who would have thought? Me, that's who.

He took charge, went to meet with Lois' informant, figured who the informant was all on his own, using his own brain. He was so manly, I was really proud of him. This is proof that Clark doesn't need anybody holding his hand and that he can most certainly step out of the BDA persona when need be. Unfortunately in the real verse he doesn't have the need. :rolleyes:

I agree with everything. As much as everyone says that Lana is holding Clark back, I have to say the same for Chloe.

[Sweetie]

CK's biggest weakness is not kryptonite it's the people that he cares about.Now,he needs to let go the past to finally move on to the future.It's harder than you think because he got the hero's complex,he takes everyone problems on his shoulders.I guess in the AU,he saw that the 2 girls can really be happy without him so,he will be able to move on.

[Minela]

In the RW he was looking for stuff on Lois computer on his own. And Clark needed the info. that Lois had in order to go after Lex. He went to AUJimmy in the similar way that Clark has gone to Chloe but since Jimmy is an iconic charcter it's ok but when it's Chloe she's babying him. Go figure.

And AULois slightly pushed Clark in similar ways that Chloe slightly pushes Clark to go save the world. And when Chloe is in trouble Clark does find things on his own so he can save her, an example of that is Cure. And Clark started to look for the reasons that AULois went to jail so he can save her also.

Yeah, Jimmy looking up Lana is babying Clark. Sure. The way I saw the whole thing play out is Jimmy wanted to destroy evidence and a mature manly Clark wouldn't let him do it, he went on a clue finding mission until he found Lois. All on his own. Thank you very much.

Secondly, Chloe doesn't slightly push Clark. She either sweet talks to his ego trying to make him do something (which by the way rarely works) or she just does the work for him.

Yes it is true Clark finds out the clues on his own when Chloe is in trouble which proofs my point that without her help he is forced to grow a brain.

[All about Clark]

Sometimes I think Clark is overwhelmed, like it is just too much. I think he uses Chloe as in trying to cope with situations. I think he knows what to do. Like in going back to Krypton, he knew at the same time she knew it, it just it felt too big at the time, and later he took the mindset of letting history change. Things are more doable for him when he knows the outcome isn't acceptable.

[faz]

Without Chloe there to help him Clark suddenly mans up and starts thinking for himself. Who would have thought? Me, that's who.

He took charge, went to meet with Lois' informant, figured who the informant was all on his own, using his own brain. He was so manly, I was really proud of him. This is proof that Clark doesn't need anybody holding his hand and that he can most certainly step out of the BDA persona when need be. Unfortunately in the real verse he doesn't have the need. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't jump to conclusions there, even though this was an AU, CK was about to run into a presidential press conference dressed in his trademark red jacket/blue shirt combo. But as Lois quickly pointed out, he would have stuck out like a "red and blue thumb" in that room with all the suits. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see him grow some balls and get out there on his own for a change, but could you imagine him trying to act inconspicuous dressed like that? The man just doesn't understand the whole "business attire" concept.

[Kevin24]

I don't think it proves that Chloe is holding him back at all. He holds himself back and that is all that is too it. Though I do not agree that Clark has no balls or is a big dumb alien.

I think I've said it before, if Clark did all the work then Chloe wouldn't appear in much of the episodes anymore.

[AlwaysRight]

I think I've said it before, if Clark did all the work then Chloe wouldn't appear in much of the episodes anymore.


Is that a bad thing? He could still run to her evey now and then when he needs a piece of info, but Clark working for himself will make him look smarter. he also would still run to her for personal issues as well.

[Kevin24]

Is that a bad thing? He could still run to her evey now and then when he needs a piece of info, but Clark working for himself will make him look smarter. he also would still run to her for personal issues as well.

For me, personally, it is not a bad thing. I just know some people really love Chloe! so when I said that I was talking about them and how they would be bothered by it.

[celita]

I don't think it proves that Chloe is holding him back at all. He holds himself back and that is all that is too it. Though I do not agree that Clark has no balls or is a big dumb alien.

I think I've said it before, if Clark did all the work then Chloe wouldn't appear in much of the episodes anymore.


And that's exactly the reason why she is holding him back, in order to give Chloe something to do, TPTB are sacrifising the reporter's side of Clark. He will be a star reporter in the future, he doesn't need Chloe to do his research.

[ox007]

I agree, Chloe should be put aside now because it's high time for Clark to grow his investigative-reporter self without much help from others. In future he is supposed to be better than Chloe and Chloe is not in CK's future so it's high time to start putting her to shadows, sure he should be still friends with CK but the writers should end him using her all the time period!

[LexLuv180]

Sometimes I think Clark is overwhelmed, like it is just too much. I think he uses Chloe as in trying to cope with situations. I think he knows what to do. Like in going back to Krypton, he knew at the same time she knew it, it just it felt too big at the time, and later he took the mindset of letting history change. Things are more doable for him when he knows the outcome isn't acceptable.

Yep, which is why I think he hasn't become 'superman yet', and don't worry about it. I just enjoy the show. I don't mind Clark using Chloe for help, although I do wish he'd figure out how to be more computer literate on his own.

[Khyla]

I... Clark needed the info. that Lois had in order to go after Lex. He went to AUJimmy in the similar way that Clark has gone to Chloe but since Jimmy is an iconic charcter it's ok but when it's Chloe she's babying him. Go figure.

And AULois slightly pushed Clark in similar ways that Chloe slightly pushes Clark to go save the world. And when Chloe is in trouble Clark does find things on his own so he can save her, an example of that is Cure. And Clark started to look for the reasons that AULois went to jail so he can save her also.

Completely Agree! AUlois was acting EXACTLY the way Chloe does with CLark in the RW, (except that her attraction to him was a little more obvious.) There was no difference between AUlois and Clark compared to RWchloe and Clark in the scene at Jimmy's apartment. She was on the computer showing and telling him all that she knows, and she was the one telling him what to do. She even had to dress him and pin the Press Pass on him and explain what to say if anybody questions the female name tag (was AUlois being like a mommy, there? :rolleyes: )


It's the same few people who keep saying that CHloe does his thinking for him! That may be your opinion but i think you need to stop trying to shove it down everybody's throat, WE"RE NOT BUYING IT!

Have you counted the number of times that Chloe and Clark complete each others sentences while figuring things out? It's called "brainstorming"!

We have seen Clark fight on his own and figure things out on his own all the time, except where Lana is involved in any way --then he becomes immobile, with emotional confusion and self-guilt, and the writers have shown us the complete dichotomy in this respect between Lana and CHloe.

(They have shown us even more in recent episodes that CHloe's role is the complete opposite of that! )

Lana's effect on Clark:--------- Chloe's effect on Clark:

immobilization-------------------action

emotional confusion -------------prioritize, focus,

self-guilt -----------------------self-worth

[Kalista]

Quote from Mortal:


Clark: Can you disrupt the signal? That might shut the grid down.


Chloe: Well, I could try, but that could take hours.


Clark: Chloe, I already told him I had the serum.


Chloe: Can't you see if he can give you more time?


Clark: He's not a more time kind of guy.


Chloe: You can't just walk in there without your abilities. The lasers would cut you to pieces.


Clark: There might be one other way. Can you find out where the signal's coming from?


Chloe: What are you gonna do?


Clark: Whatever it takes.


Chloe and Clark are clearly brainstorming in this episode. Clark brought up the idea about disrupting their power source. Chloe may handle the technical aspect of things but it is not uncommon for Clark to come up with solutions to whatever problem they are dealing with in a given situation. It is a partnership. Are there episodes in which it appears that Clark is asking him to think for him? Perhaps. But for the most part, they work together. She doesn't think for him....

[chlo-el]

Quote from Mortal:



Chloe and Clark are clearly brainstorming in this episode. Clark brought up the idea about disrupting their power source. Chloe may handle the technical aspect of things but it is not uncommon for Clark to come up with solutions to whatever problem they are dealing with in a given situation. It is a partnership. Are there episodes in which it appears that Clark is asking him to think for him? Perhaps. But for the most part, they work together. She doesn't think for him....

Agreed. Great example.:D

[Sadistic]

Clark is finally a man.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think clark blames himself not just for lana, but for everyone ever infected with kryptonite. never being born gave him a relief and allowed him to flourish, i really hope we see a changed clark now.

[Kalista]

Clark has always been a man. He is flawed but when it comes to making crucial decisions, he does the right thing.

[Sadistic]

Well without Chloe he's always lost and confused. Finally saw what he did without anyones and guess what, he ended up dead. :p

[All about Clark]

^Interesting perspective, but I saw it as a no-win scenario. And a major difference is that Clark didn't control the fortress so he was expendible. In the RW scenario, Braniac needs Clark alive to operate the fortress, I guess this would put the power in Clark's hands, whereas Clark had no power with Braniac in the AU.

[chlo-el]

Well without Chloe he's always lost and confused. Finally saw what he did without anyones and guess what, he ended up dead. :p

Maybe that should prove that you can't be a hero by yourself. You need someone's help and support.

This is way they need the JL.

[All about Clark]

I think having someone to talk to and bounce off each other is important for anyone including Clark. In the RW, it's Chloe, but it was obviously Lois in the AU. I think his interacting and discussing things with humans is very helpful and allows him to feel grounded and part of the human society. I think they've always shown Clark to be scared of being alone, being isolated.

[chlo-el]

I think having someone to talk to and bounce off each other is important for anyone including Clark. In the RW, it's Chloe, but it was obviously Lois in the AU. I think his interacting and discussing things with humans is very helpful and allows him to feel grounded and part of the human society. I think they've always shown Clark to be scared of being alone, being isolated.

I know I think the same. That's why I get bothered by so many people trying to get Clark be by himself more and doing evrything on his own. That's exactly what Clark doesn't want he doesn't want to be alone. And it doesn't do him any good. We all need people.

[RedKRules]

I agree, I´ve mentioned this before, I want Clark to become a Superman, not a miserable, lonely machine that doesn´t even have the luxury of having friends ..... no matter what other say ..... intentionally or not ... Superman need others too .... not matter how auto sufficient he might be

[Humdinger]

I know I think the same. That's why I get bothered by so many people trying to get Clark be by himself more and doing evrything on his own. That's exactly what Clark doesn't want he doesn't want to be alone. And it doesn't do him any good. We all need people.

And that's what he is, alone. Jonathan's dead, Martha's in Washington, Lionel's dead, Lex is no longer his friend, Lana's in a coma. That leaves Chloe and Lois. How many of us solve our major problems by ourselves?

[wolverine316]

Well without Chloe he's always lost and confused. Finally saw what he did without anyones and guess what, he ended up dead. :p


Very uplifting :rotfl:

[Kalista]

Quote from Phantom:

Notice how they share information as they work toward a solution.


Clark: There's a lot more people that could get hurt right now.

Chloe: Yeah. [ Collecting herself ] Denial should be our friend right now. Okay, so, this phantom-Clark thing was inhabiting humans. But when he touched you, it just replicated. Why?

Clark: The phantom needed a Kryptonian body in order to replicate to become whole again. Chloe, I don't know how to stop him. It's not like I can just fly after him.


Chloe: This guy can fly? God, Clark. You gotta get on that one. Well, where's our Bizarro Clark now?

Clark: I don't know. But, Chloe, before I hit him, his face distorted, almost like he was hurt.

Chloe: Which is why he pushed pause on his one-man mission to kill you. But... why would your doppelganger weaken if you didn't?

Clark: It's like everything affects him the opposite. When Lionel held the meteor rock to him, it almost made him stronger.

Chloe: So maybe he went to find more meteor rocks so he could recharge and finish the job he started.

Clark: You know, Oliver's been tracking all of Lex's meteor shipments for his 33.1 experiments.

Chloe: Yeah, and it says here in these records that there were several containers transferred to Reeves Dam just a couple weeks ago. Clark, if he gets there before you do, there's no way you can go up against him alone. I mean, how are you gonna take this guy down?

Clark: I don't know, Chloe. But there is someone who might.

Clark decides to go to the MM, Chloe doesn't tell him to. After bouncing ideas off one another Clark goes to MM for help. Was MM thinking for Clark?

[faz]

interesting points on the Chloe/Clark and Lana/Clark dynamics, and very true too. Even though I'm one of the ones who always calls Clark a BDA and I always say he can't think for himself, I also always saw Chloe as an enabler for Clark in many ways. Lana was always the one who was holding him back, which is why we have such a mutually opposed fanbase between Clana fans and haters.

[Sweetie]

People don't want Clark to be alone,it's ridiculous.What they mean by that is they don't want anybody or anything to be an obstacle toward his destiny.Chloe & Lana are in the way not on purpose of course but,they are just like Johnathan & Martha were first.Clark has the hero's complex(he takes everybody's problems on his shoulders).He always blamed himself for everything that happens to people that he cares about.For Lana,he blamed himself for the death of her parents,meteor freaks after her,ect.As for Chloe,he is too dependant of her,she became his brain totally.It's time for him to wake up and makes changes in his life for the better of the world.Of course,this means sacrifices,he got to leave his family and friends and look for what is out there for him.He will meet new people,will face new challenges and will become the greatest hero.

[Kalista]

As for Chloe,he is too dependant of her,she became his brain totally.

Please explain how Chloe "became Clark's brain totally". Also, see my post's above.

[faz]

^Isn't it obvious? They pulled a body-switch, a la "Transference". TPTB have been fooling us the whole time.

[RedKRules]

..Of course,this means sacrifices,he got to leave his family and friends and look for what is out there for him.He will meet new people,will face new challenges and will become the greatest hero.

Well when that happens, there will be no NO LONGER SMALLVILLE .... but SUPERMAN MOVIE ..

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As for Chloe,he is too dependant of her,she became his brain totally.

is that fact or opinion ???

[chlo-el]

Quote from Phantom:

Notice how they share information as they work toward a solution.



Clark decides to go to the MM, Chloe doesn't tell him to. After bouncing ideas off one another Clark goes to MM for help. Was MM thinking for Clark?

No. But MM and everyone else was not thinking for Clark. He gave him amazing advise that helped him defeat Bizarro. And gave him really needed info. about the sun being his power source. I loved that scene. And I'm sure there were plenty of people who loved it too. But do we hear people saying MM was Clark's brain. No. Why? Probaly because MM was an already created comic book character.:\

[Kalista]

No. But MM and everyone else was not thinking for Clark. He gave him amazing advise that helped him defeat Bizarro. And gave him really needed info. about the sun being his power source. I loved that scene. And I'm sure there were plenty of people who loved it too. But do we hear people saying MM was Clark's brain. No. Why? Probaly because MM was an already created comic book character.:\

It is just ONE of many double standards that make me shake my head.:rolleyes:

[RedKRules]

You know .. I am getting annoyed by all these Clark has no BRAIN thing .... people discredit him all the time ..... I know he has to change .... but it won´t happen overnight .... or because we want to ..... some intentions are not as pure as it seems .....

[Kevin24]

You know .. I am getting annoyed by all these Clark has no BRAIN thing .... people discredit him all the time ..... I know he has to change .... but it won´t happen overnight .... or because we want to ..... some intentions are not as pure as it seems .....

I'm with you on that!!! You tell it how it is and I like that....I like that. :cool:

[Alicia Chipy]

Sometimes Clark gets impatient and lazy and wants Chloe to solve his problems.He can be an independent thinker also,unless Lana is around then he becomes a babbling idiot.
With Lois it can go either way.Guess it may be based on degree of comfort he has around the person ie:

Lana-Always afraid to insult her ,lose her, or say the wrong thing.

Chloe-Good friend,confidant and with problem solving skills.Will do anything for Clark.

Lois-Friend but with an undercurrent of sexual tension.Not afraid to tell it like it is,or coddle Clark.

He has a "set of Rules" for each of these relationships,that matches their interactions with him.
Not sucha BDA after all.;)

[Kalista]

Sometimes Clark gets impatient and lazy and wants Chloe to solve his problems.He can be an independent thinker also,unless Lana is around then he becomes a babbling idiot.
With Lois it can go either way.Guess it may be based on degree of comfort he has around the person ie:

Lana-Always afraid to insult her ,lose her, or say the wrong thing.

Chloe-Good friend,confidant and with problem solving skills.Will do anything for Clark.

Lois-Friend but with an undercurrent of sexual tension.Not afraid to tell it like it is,or coddle Clark.

He has a "set of Rules" for each of these relationships,that matches their interactions with him.
Not sucha BDA after all.;)

I agree with the majority of what you said but Chloe is not afraid to tell Clark what he needs to hear and she certainly doesn't coddle him. You don't have to insult someone or be unnecessarily harsh to bring something to bring something to someone's attention.

She is just respectful when she does it, as she should be.




Quote from Kara:

Notice how it was Clark who came up with the idea to ask Kara if her ship emitted any kind of frequencies. Clark theorized that the ship's alarm could be disrupting the AM/FM frequencies. Was Chloe thinking for him in this scene?


Kara: Do you know where my ship is? Kal-El's getting me nowhere.

Chloe: [ Bristling at Kara's attitude ] It's Clark.

Clark: We've checked every Luthorcorp facility in the area. Do you have any leads?

Chloe: Unfortunately, not too many extraterrestrial vehicles are actually registered at the DMV. I have nothing.

Kara: I told you coming here was a waste of time. She's just a human.

[ Now Clark takes offense at Kara's attitude. ]

Clark: A human who's smarter than both of us combined.

Chloe: Look, I'm sorry, Clark, but this new editor is breathing down my neck. He wants some big, splashy story, and all I could come up with is the sudden loss of AM/FM radio in Granville.

Kara: I'm out of here. I'll just do a flyover and start x-raying every single building.

Clark: Kara, wait. Your ship -- does it emit any sort of frequency?

Kara: Well, yeah. If it's opened, there's an alarm.

Clark: Could that alarm be disrupting the AM/FM radios?

Kara: Kal-El, if that alarm's been triggered, I'm the only one who can disarm it.

[Kevin24]

Clark just needs more male friends. Pete "the boss" Ross I miss that guy! Clark hangs out with too many girls! Though they are all very attractive...

He needs some male bonding....I think that's why I liked Oliver on the show because he actually had a male friend again.

[Alicia Chipy]

Clark just needs more male friends. Pete "the boss" Ross I miss that guy! Clark hangs out with too many girls! Though they are all very attractive...

He needs some male bonding....I think that's why I liked Oliver on the show because he actually had a male friend again.




Have to agree with you.He sorely needs some testosterone based life forms to hang out with and get a male perspective on problems also.
Where's Bruce Wayne when you need him?:lol:

[Kalista]

I agree he could use more male friends.

[Sweetie]

I never said that I blamed the girls on the contrary,I blame Clark.It's him who hold himself but,you got to admit that Lana & Chloe don't help either?Lana always ends in trouble so,Clark think that he got to stay around for her.Chloe,she became the hero,she does everything for him.Clark just has to run out there beat bad guy up.I think Chloe could even do that so?She could have said no.I don't have time to help,I have a job.I would have prefered if she would fallowed her dream and become a reporter and not a sidekick that's all.

[ginnyfan]

It was refreshing to get Clark away from Chloe. If Clark had had his way however, Chloe WOULD have saved the day. She was his first resort. But she was busy and didn't know him from Adam so had to do it on his own. I loved it. It was wonderful. His dynamic with Jimmy was very enjoyable. Jimmy seemed like he was taking a break from things he had to do to help Clark out. He didn't really solve anything... he was just a resource. He even gave Clark a hard time.

I also liked that they spread the info around. Clark was running all over the place, talking to a lot of people to find out information and piece it all together. It wasn't just Chloe's magical computer.

I really enjoyed how action oriented Clark was. It was great.

[RedKRules]

It was refreshing to get Clark away from Chloe. If Clark had had his way however, Chloe WOULD have saved the day. She was his first resort. But she was busy and didn't know him from Adam so had to do it on his own. I loved it. It was wonderful. His dynamic with Jimmy was very enjoyable. Jimmy seemed like he was taking a break from things he had to do to help Clark out. He didn't really solve anything... he was just a resource. He even gave Clark a hard time.

I also liked that they spread the info around. Clark was running all over the place, talking to a lot of people to find out information and piece it all together. It wasn't just Chloe's magical computer.

I really enjoyed how action oriented Clark was. It was great.

See ... he was oriented .... no one told him what to do ..... just filled him with info ..... and still some think that´s not good enough ....

[bimplebean]

Uh, it's not a BRAIN that Clark found...

[xrayvision]

Proof that Clark has a brain without Chloe's help was seen in the early seasons on a regular basis. The best example is Shattered where Clark ran the whole show and planned everything out (he hid Chloe, Lex, Lana and planned out how he would go against Lionel, Morgan Edge, etc). Yeah, things didn't work out well, but you can't blame him for lack of trying. That is the type of development I wanted. As long as he made mistakes but was actually trying to learn and not being a lazy-ass BDA, it would have been great.

[Khyla]

MOD EDIT

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


Proof that Clark has a brain without Chloe's help was seen in the early seasons on a regular basis.

And the only thing that made him "lose his brain" was Lana,

Chloe's only been trying to help him get it back!

[AlwaysRight]

(and it's sooooo obvious that it's nothing more than a Clois preference-based opinion :\)


i would say it a combination of Clois fans and mythos fans(who aren't big into ships) as well

[Khyla]

i would say it a combination of Clois fans and mythos fans(who aren't big into ships) as well

I thought that's what I said here:

...

Everything y'all say has to do with Chloe being in the way of Clois or the legend AS YOU KNOW IT.
...

[AlwaysRight]

I thought that's what I said here:

well there is a difference, some just are sick of Clark looking like an BDA at times. Now that Lana is sort of out of the picture(which makes him look way worse then anything in that reguard) they are going after the next target(writers using Chloe as a crutch for Clark giving him answers(ie time saver for other crappy plots they have), instead of making Clark be more active in doing searching for answers himself, especially since "iconic clark kent" future job is as a reporter, it would be good to actually show him using those skills at a younger age).

I don't think it has as much wanting him to be with Lois. As a huge Lois fan i can live next season without any Lois relationship(infact i hope they don't focus on it all season long, rather giving us hints) if they tell a good Clark story.

[RedKRules]

I think Clark has a BRAIN and can think for himself ..... but hey that´s me right !! ;) ... gotta give him some credit, after all ..... he has saved a lot of people, that counts doesn´t it?? ....as much as distracted he is sometimes, in the end he always saves the day ..... GO Clark Kent !! :D

[Kalista]

Chloe,she became the hero,she does everything for him.Clark just has to run out there beat bad guy up.

How does Chloe do everything for Clark? Clark does think for himself and I have just provided a few of the many examples from the show proving this.


I think Chloe could even do that so?

Chloe could beat up the bad guys?:confused:

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I also liked that they spread the info around. Clark was running all over the place, talking to a lot of people to find out information and piece it all together. It wasn't just Chloe's magical computer.

In Phantom Clark helped to piece together a lead as to where Bizarro might be. Clark had to explain to Chloe how/why Bizarro was able to replicate him. When Clark told Chloe that Kryptonite seems to affect Bizarro differently she theorized that Bizarro could be looking for kryptonite. It was Clark who had been talking to Oliver about his tracking Lex's meteor shipments and he shared his knowledge with Chloe. Finally, Clark went to the MM for help. Please tell me once again, how Clark doesn't use his brain?

I think Kara is an good example of Clark interacting with other people to solve a problem. Clark asked Kara questions to determine ways to find her ship. Clark talk to Chloe about the possibility of Kara's alarm disrupting the AM/FM signals. Finally, Clark suggested that Kara use her super hearing to hear her ship's alarm. So again, I pose the question. How was Chloe a stand in for Clark's brain? How was she thinking for him in Kara?

[wolverine316]

As it has been proven Clark has a brain and uses it from time to time. But the fact remains the only way Chloe is useful on the show is to do his thinking for him. If Clark was independent there is no reason to write Chloe into the show. The writers are kind of stuck there. Without Clark, Chloe serves no purpose on the show. Sad.

[RedKRules]

How does Chloe do everything for Clark? Clark does think for himself and I have just provided a few of the many examples from the show proving this.


I agree ... but we could post pages and pages of examples, it seems it wouldn´t be enough .... and the same arguments will start over again, and again, and again .... :\:\

[Kalista]

I agree ... but we could post pages and pages of examples, it seems it wouldn´t be enough .... and the same arguments will start over again, and again, and again .... :\:\

...yes I can see that.:rolleyes:

[RedKRules]

As it has been proven Clark has a brain and uses it from time to time. But the fact remains the only way Chloe is useful on the show is to do his thinking for him. If Clark was independent there is no reason to write Chloe into the show. The writers are kind of stuck there. Without Clark, Chloe serves no purpose on the show. Sad.

sooo far off ...... but again is that a fact or opinion?

[DontCha]

clark can dress himself without Chloe's help too :)

Lois Lane - "well done"

he's a big boy now.

Chloe fans can deny it all they want, but clark kent actually grows up in this episode and starts to resemble his future self, and he did this when he couldnt run to chloe for help. He did it himself and with Lois Lane

Its no coincidence that chloe & Lana aren't the main factors in an episode where Clark finally grows up

These two women will not be in his future and so its subtly telling you that if clark wants to move on he's gotta stop leaning on lana and Chloe all the time they are his past, Smallville is his past, Lois Lane, Jimmy, Kara Lex and metropolis are his greater calling in life

no chloe in sightm no lana in sight during an episode based in the future..its enough of a hint.

ditch the drags

[Kalista]

sooo far off ...... but again is that a fact or opinion?

Opinion.

[DontCha]

and the statement "So far off" is also an opinion kalista, remember that, its not a fact

[RedKRules]

and the statement "So far off" is also an opinion kalista, remember that, its not a fact

Isn´t everything posted here ???? :lol::lol:

[Kalista]

Isn´t everything posted here ???? :lol::lol:

Some things are opinion, some things are fact. The transcripts are fact and the facts show that Clark can and does think for himself.

[jimmyolsenblues]

well you can totally disagree with someone and be totally okay with the rules as long as you phrase it.

like......
Person A: "I think the moon is made of chocolate".
Person B: "In my opinion or (IMHO), you are totally so far off".

Because we all know the moon is made of cheese.

[AlwaysRight]

As it has been proven Clark has a brain and uses it from time to time. But the fact remains the only way Chloe is useful on the show is to do his thinking for him. If Clark was independent there is no reason to write Chloe into the show. The writers are kind of stuck there. Without Clark, Chloe serves no purpose on the show. Sad.

I still think they can use Chloe anytime Clark has personal issues(taking over for Ma and Pa Kent) but anytime he has to solve a crime or beat a bad guy have him be a bit more independent

[DontCha]

Isn´t everything posted here ???? :lol::lol:

yes and no

if someone says clark is wearing red in that scene thatsa fact not an opinion:p

[Kevin24]

I think Clark has a BRAIN and can think for himself ..... but hey that´s me right !! ;) ... gotta give him some credit, after all ..... he has saved a lot of people, that counts doesn´t it?? ....as much as distracted he is sometimes, in the end he always saves the day ..... GO Clark Kent !! :D

I agree with you 100%!!!!

[Este]

Its no coincidence that chloe & Lana aren't the main factors in an episode where Clark finally grows up

Good point there.

I like Chloe, but I think her character has served its purpose on the show. I wish they'll give her a good send off that will start a friendship between Clark and Jimmy.

[Kevin24]

Good point there.

I like Chloe, but I think her character has served its purpose on the show. I wish they'll give her a good send off that will start a friendship between Clark and Jimmy.

Yes and we all know Clark is in need of a good male friend to talk too.

[Sweetie]

[QUOTE=Kalista;3770102]How does Chloe do everything for Clark? Clark does think for himself and I have just provided a few of the many examples from the show proving this.

Are we watching the same show? because since season 5 Chloe clearely stepped up from her reporter job to the sidekick.More and more,she became the hero instead of Clark.Don't deny it.Clark never does anything without using her computer skills,she does all the investigations and the researches alone and she gives the infos to Clark who just has to run there and beat some bad guys up and that's it.It's extremely hurtfull for the future superman's image to be reduce to that point.

Chloe could beat up the bad guys?:confused:

Did you ever notice some of the weapons and gadgets that Chloe carries in her car?She can blow up Metropolis if she wants.By the way,if Lana is capable to beat guys up,Chloe certenely can,don't you think?

[Kevin24]

He goes to Chloe because she has the resources to do all those things. Clark is mostly the one who comes with the clues and he needs her to use her database at the daily planet to connect the dots is all

[Kalista]

He goes to Chloe because she has the resources to do all those things. Clark is mostly the one who comes with the clues and he needs her to use her database at the daily planet to connect the dots is all


Chloe and Clark both provide clues. It is a partnership-they work together. And he doesn't just go to her for her resources, sometimes he goes to her for emotional support. Like when he went to her in Blue after being beaten. There was nothing that she could do except provide comfort and that is what he was seeking and that is what she provided.

[Kevin24]

Chloe and Clark both provide clues. It is a partnership-they work together. And he doesn't just go to her for her resources, sometimes he goes to her for emotional support. Like when he went to her in Blue after being beaten. There was nothing that she could do except provide comfort and that is what he was seeking and that is what she provided.

I agree with you but I was just responding to everyone saying that he has no brain and that Chloe does everything because she is alot smarter and capable then he is.

I just wanted to make a point of the reasons he goes to Chloe to find more information and that is mostly because of her job at the Daily Planet and all the resources she has at her disposal. Though recently it has been at the Isis Foundation.

Chloe is a good friend to him , they are both good friends to each other . They trust each other and that is the main reason they always come together for advice and help out of a jam.

[Kalista]

[QUOTE=Kalista;3770102]How does Chloe do everything for Clark? Clark does think for himself and I have just provided a few of the many examples from the show proving this.


Are we watching the same show?

Is there another show called Smallville with the exact same characters?


because since season 5 Chloe clearely stepped up from her reporter job to the sidekick.More and more,she became the hero instead of Clark.Don't deny it.Clark never does anything without using her computer skills,

The theme of this thread is "Proof! Without Chloe-Clark grows a brain" (a theme I find very offensive and insulting to Clark) and I just provide two of many examples from SEASON 7 that shows Clark is capable of thinking for himself and that he is active in solving problems. Clark is a hero despite his many faults. Chloe has her share of heroic acts but she certainly doesn't take Clark's place. Chloe may use her computer to help but Clark makes valid contributions to the solution-sometimes providing Chloe with information that she didn't know about. See my example for Phantom.


she does all the investigations and the researches alone and she gives the infos to Clark who just has to run there and beat some bad guys up and that's it.

Again, look at the examples I have provided above and on previous pages.


Did you ever notice some of the weapons and gadgets that Chloe carries in her car?She can blow up Metropolis if she wants

How does this relate to the topic of the thread?

[nk_84]

Without Chloe there to help him Clark suddenly mans up and starts thinking for himself. Who would have thought? Me, that's who.

He took charge, went to meet with Lois' informant, figured who the informant was all on his own, using his own brain. He was so manly, I was really proud of him. This is proof that Clark doesn't need anybody holding his hand and that he can most certainly step out of the BDA persona when need be. Unfortunately in the real verse he doesn't have the need. :rolleyes:

he's still a BDA, but i think him having Chloe there too often just holds his character development back. Like you said as soon as no one held his hand he had no choice but to 'man-up' to the situation. I too thought it was much better and more like the CK we will see in the future, probably season 8.

[AlwaysRight]

he's still a BDA, but i think him having Chloe there too often just holds his character development back. Like you said as soon as no one held his hand he had no choice but to 'man-up' to the situation. I too thought it was much better and more like the CK we will see in the future, probably season 8.

i personally think it's a cheap plot device the writers use because Clark scoobying around for 5 minutes to figure out stuff for himself means 5 minutes less of whatever(usually Clana crap).

I wouldn't mind him running to Chloe for one answer if there was three pieces he had to put together but they usually make her give him the complete outline what's going on.

[4CHLicks]

Proof! Without Chloe slapping that disk in his hand, Clark wouldn't have saved the world...again!

[Twitch]

The super-hacking is what bothers me the most about Chloe, no matter how much you love the character you have to admit that it's just ridiculous at times and used as a plot device. It makes her character a lot less believable for me. She also knows "everything about everything", I would to see some more scenes where she's stumped and can't provide Clark with the help he needs, it would make her feel more real. Don't get me wrong I like Chloe's character, it just feels like writers have been running out of ideas for her, and she's just being used more and more as a plot device.

[Kalista]

he's still a BDA, but i think him having Chloe there too often just holds his character development back. Like you said as soon as no one held his hand he had no choice but to 'man-up' to the situation. I too thought it was much better and more like the CK we will see in the future, probably season 8.

Actually, it was Clark's idealized dream of living a "normal life" on the farm that has hindered his development up to this point.

[RedKRules]

yes and no

if someone says clark is wearing red in that scene thatsa fact not an opinion:p

I know ... I was just kidding....:p although I like the black leather one more:p;) .....

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Actually, it was Clark's idealized dream of living a "normal life" on the farm that has hindered his development up to this point.

I agree with you ..... When he went to the University in S5 .... there were a lot of development ..... but then he dropped out :\

[nk_84]

Actually, it was Clark's idealized dream of living a "normal life" on the farm that has hindered his development up to this point.


i think it's a number of things, since he should be superman-ready now and flying. But they've gone on so many seasons of him messing up with Jor-el and fighting freaks and then introducing all other characters that are totally irrelevant that i don't think this CK could progress in a real strucutured storyline.

However, you know the writers, once it's "time" on the show, all that will be pushed aside, Clark won't have 'mentally' gone through anything except what they want to write in and he'll be off.


Wasn't Welling himself complaining to the writerd about his character development?? I wouldn't blame him.

[RedKRules]

I think that Clark´s development is taking longer than we expected, but I am optimistic it will happen ... :D

[Dor el]

Yeah, with the exodus of so many main characters, Clark will have to be written so as to think independently (hopefully) and investigatively. The exodus may just be the stimulus needed for Clark to progress. For that to realistically happen, Chloe will have to be unavailable to him either by her leaving, her losing her computer abilities, or by dying. As long as Chloe is available to be Clark's brain, he will most likely rely on her....Unless, he believes/realizes that her helping him puts her in danger. Either way, Clark is gonna have to separate himself from all his supporting characters in order to force himself to grow forward.

[Sweetie]

[QUOTE=Kalista;3770572]I just provide two of many examples from SEASON 7 that shows Clark is capable of thinking for himself and that he is active in solving problems. Clark is a hero despite his many faults. Chloe has her share of heroic acts but she certainly doesn't take Clark's place. Chloe may use her computer to help but Clark makes valid contributions to the solution-sometimes providing Chloe with information that she didn't know about. See my example for Phantom.

I'm sorry but,Chloe stepped in the hero's shoes too many times for my taste.Tells him what to do and how to do it.They got to stop making her more responsable than Clark.I don't like when everyone else on the show acts more heroic than the hero himself,it's so pathetic!

[4CHLicks]

Actually, it was Clark's idealized dream of living a "normal life" on the farm that has hindered his development up to this point.

IDK, Kalista, I tend to think Clark's major probem is not being "evenly yoked" with a partner who matches him in integrity, compassion and fortitude who can face down major catastrophes with him without complaint. (Yeah, I'm looking at you at here, Chloe. She's the only one of the 3 ladies who can do marriage to a Hero right that I've seen.) That way, he could have his cake - a happy home life anywhere in the world farm or no farm - to balance his heavy resposibilities. And after all, isn't that what we're really all striving for? That sense of balance between personal pleasure and responsibility.

Not every woman can be a Hero's wife and still find contentment in her marriage. And it would be important to Clark for his wife to be happy or he couldn't concentrate on his duties.

[Hopefulsuicide]

how exactly is running around being impulsive, revealing his secret to Lois in seconds and eventually getting himself shot, proff Clark has a brain with Chloe?

[DontCha]

it proves that he has a brain without chloe^

the only reason he gets shot

is because

1. He enters this world too late and accepts his destiny too late

2. he enters it too weak

its premature clark kent taking on supermans' job and clark comes out of this realizing that he needs to move on in the real world. Things are greater and harder beyond smallville and the man he is at the moment isnt strong enough to cope with whats to come, he needs to train, he needs to move on from lana and Chloe if he ever wants to be independant and stronger.

in Apoc, he's a boy taking on a mans job, he comes out of it knowing he has to grow the hell up, there are more important things than teenage love crushes and such..more important things than his life in Smallville,.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Clark needs to let go of his past. that includes lana and chloe. Im not saying he should just abandon them, i just wish, he'll do more himself.

I hope the AU experience has shown Clark that Chloe and Lana will do well, without him:)

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IDK, Kalista, I tend to think Clark's major probem is not being "evenly yoked" with a partner who matches him in integrity, compassion and fortitude who can face down major catastrophes with him without complaint. (Yeah, I'm looking at you at here, Chloe. She's the only one of the 3 ladies who can do marriage to a Hero right that I've seen.) That way, he could have his cake - a happy home life anywhere in the world farm or no farm - to balance his heavy resposibilities. And after all, isn't that what we're really all striving for? That sense of balance between personal pleasure and responsibility.

Not every woman can be a Hero's wife and still find contentment in her marriage. And it would be important to Clark for his wife to be happy or he couldn't concentrate on his duties.

And u think Chloe is happy? She lost her job, is a metereo freak, BECAUSE of her involvement with Clark. Chloe's character has changed for the worse. When was the last time she let her hair down without Clark breathing down her neck to find or do something for him? Their relationship is all work and little play. Can you imagine being married to that? Find this, Find that..
Look at her face in 'sleeper'..she wasnt exactly jumping for joy to help Clark.

Chloe doesnt even have that much relationship experience, for her to know for sure that Clark is her future. Her relationship with Jimmy is proof of that..she cant even balance work and relationship.
She cant handle Jimmy, let alone Superman.

One of the reasons Lois and Clark works is because she has had alot of BAD relationships, which makes her better equipt to know what is right (Chloe has had ONE boyfriend..she couldnt even handle)
Lois knows when to call time out and have fun (e.g. inviting Clark out for a drink..DID CHLOE THINK OF THAT?..NO!!!..its all do this, do that) Sometimes one just needs to chill.
Lois NEVER lets her career take a back sit for Clark.
Lois doesnt do, 'feel sorry' for me time and has learnt how to deal with her emotions over the years. Chloe is all 'we need u, i need u..bla bla'..please Clark bla bla. And still Clark doesnt listen..She literally had to shove that thing in Clark's hand.
Lois' attitude is more to the point, which gets her better results with Clark.

Chloe is a little girl, that cant handle a relationship. I hope george comes to save her:), cuz right now, watching her cry and moan for Clark is getting depressing.

[All about Clark]

Chloe is not a meteor freak because of Clark, that was established this ep that the meteor shower would still exist and Chloe was infected when she was young with her mother.

I agree that this is somewhat heavy for Chloe, and it might not be so heavy for Lois, however, Chloe is dealing with a more difficult part of Clark's life, the learning phase. She knows he's needed to keep the future safe, so she feels the weight of the situation. Lois won't have to deal with Clark almost throwing his life away like Chloe, I'm not saying Lois will have it easy, just slightly easier with a man who knows who he is and what he has to do.

Lois does know how to lighten the mood and that is something Clark really needs, and Chloe just can't do that for him.

[stenochick]

Has it been established that Lois knows it was Chloe that saved her life in the dam and that she has meteor powers?

It is easier for Lois to keep things light because she is not carrying the weight of the world like Clark and Chloe are. She does not know Clark the way Chloe does. To her, he's just a simple farm boy.

[Kalista]

Has it been established that Lois knows it was Chloe that saved her life in the dam and that she has meteor powers?

It is easier for Lois to keep things light because she is not carrying the weight of the world like Clark and Chloe are. She does not know Clark the way Chloe does. To her, he's just a simple farm boy.

Exactly....

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Chloe is not a meteor freak because of Clark, that was established this ep that the meteor shower would still exist and Chloe was infected when she was young with her mother.

I don't see how anyone could imply that Clark is RESPONSIBLE either directly or indirectly for Chloe's meteor power. It is like saying he is responsible for the burden of her meteor infection and I think that is another slap in the face to Clark.



I agree that this is somewhat heavy for Chloe, and it might not be so heavy for Lois, however, Chloe is dealing with a more difficult part of Clark's life, the learning phase. She knows he's needed to keep the future safe, so she feels the weight of the situation. Lois won't have to deal with Clark almost throwing his life away like Chloe,

That was nicely stated.

[RedKRules]

I agree with that!!

[kraami]

This is such a ridiculous post. First clark would not have to have learn this lesson of being in a virtual world to learn that he doesnt have to be dwelling in self pity all the time if he had listened to chloe in the first place. I think sometime chloe wants to hit him with a frying pan and yell wake up but he prolly wouldn't feel it anyway. The only way for clark to become the superman is for him to start listening and believe in chloe a lot more than he already does. He has to figure out that she loves him. She has been his best friend for so long and so strong for him for so long. When he realizes that she has been so unselfish and so self sacrificing then he will begin to start realizing that he too has a responsibility to accept his destiny. It is sad to say that he might not get his wake up call until chloe dies by healing him(prolly when doomsday kills him). He needs to get rid of lana and get over her.(ALREADY!) I wish the writing would have been better these last episodes. I havent enjoyed an episode since veritas.

[AlwaysRight]

The only way for clark to become the superman is for him to start listening and believe in chloe a lot more than he already does.

here is the problem with your statement. Why should he have to listen to Chloe, most people want a superhero who can come up with this kind of logic for himself and not have to run to somebody who will tell him what to do.

[kraami]

Clark needs to let go of his past. that includes lana and chloe. Im not saying he should just abandon them, i just wish, he'll do more himself.

I hope the AU experience has shown Clark that Chloe and Lana will do well, without him:)

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And u think Chloe is happy? She lost her job, is a metereo freak, BECAUSE of her involvement with Clark. Chloe's character has changed for the worse. When was the last time she let her hair down without Clark breathing down her neck to find or do something for him? Their relationship is all work and little play. Can you imagine being married to that? Find this, Find that..
Look at her face in 'sleeper'..she wasnt exactly jumping for joy to help Clark.

Chloe doesnt even have that much relationship experience, for her to know for sure that Clark is her future. Her relationship with Jimmy is proof of that..she cant even balance work and relationship.
She cant handle Jimmy, let alone Superman.

One of the reasons Lois and Clark works is because she has had alot of BAD relationships, which makes her better equipt to know what is right (Chloe has had ONE boyfriend..she couldnt even handle)
Lois knows when to call time out and have fun (e.g. inviting Clark out for a drink..DID CHLOE THINK OF THAT?..NO!!!..its all do this, do that) Sometimes one just needs to chill.
Lois NEVER lets her career take a back sit for Clark.
Lois doesnt do, 'feel sorry' for me time and has learnt how to deal with her emotions over the years. Chloe is all 'we need u, i need u..bla bla'..please Clark bla bla. And still Clark doesnt listen..She literally had to shove that thing in Clark's hand.
Lois' attitude is more to the point, which gets her better results with Clark.

Chloe is a little girl, that cant handle a relationship. I hope george comes to save her:), cuz right now, watching her cry and moan for Clark is getting depressing.


do you watch smallville?:confused:

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here is the problem with your statement. Why should he have to listen to Chloe, most people want a superhero who can come up with this kind of logic for himself and not have to run to somebody who will tell him what to do.


If you watch chloe and try to understand her she doesnt always come out and say it. She tries to lead him in the right direction. She knows he can do it. He needs to get rid of lana tho. Get out the frying pan is what i am talking about. she has been trying to wake him up.
to quote her" did you get those keys from lex?"
clark :"no iwas too busying crying over lana."
chloe :"clark if lex finds out you are the traveler game over!"

[AlwaysRight]

to quote her" did you get those keys from lex?"
clark :"no iwas too busying crying over lana."
chloe :"clark if lex finds out you are the traveler game over!"

Like i said i think a big issues people have is Clark shouldn't need Chloe to tell him that(that is our huge issue and one fo the reasons this thread was made). People want Clark to come up with answers like that for himself without somebody telling him(i have no problems if it happens like 3-4 times a season but it seems like it's every other episode Chloe needs to knock sense into Clark)

[kraami]

clark is no where near ready. plain and simple.

[Jade4813]

...Nowhere near ready to think for himself? What's he waiting for? His 50th birthday? :lol:

[kraami]

yes to think for himself as long as he dwells in self pity and lacks self confidence. Which in translation means I want to be with lana and everything is my fault and i will be with her because its my fault she slept with bizarroo and blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chloe is his better half that is what i am trying to say here. He just need to open his eyes. chloe is not the reason he doesn't have a brain to think with. Lana is.

[dotsie23]

...Nowhere near ready to think for himself? What's he waiting for? His 50th birthday? :lol:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[AlwaysRight]

yes to think for himself as long as he dwells in self pity and lacks self confidence. Which in translation means I want to be with lana and everything is my fault and i will be with her because its my fault she slept with bizarroo and blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chloe is his better half that is what i am trying to say here. He just need to open his eyes. chloe is not the reason he doesn't have a brain to think with. Lana is.

I definantly don't disagree with your statement, and fact is if he didn't run and whine to Chloe, the writers would find somebody else for him to run and whine to about Lana. Nobody should be telling Clark though the stuff Chloe does making him look like a BDA.

Beyond the Lana stuff, Chloe to many times gives him easy answers how to catch the bad guy(once again another plot device), some of us want Clark to think a bit moe for himself when it comes to hunting down the bad guy(not saying he couldn't get a few tips here or there from Chloe). I once again blame the writers who have Chloe feed Clark alot of the answers because it's a time saver to have Chloe give him all the answers without Clark doing much himself(ie it only take 2 Mintues for CHloe to give him the answers, rather then 5-6 minute if Clark did the work for himself with tips from others).

[LovelyLoisLane]

...Nowhere near ready to think for himself? What's he waiting for? His 50th birthday? :lol:

Lord I hope not, though by then Lana, Chloe, Lois, Oliver, Jimmy etc. probably would have moved on in their lives so he'd have to find a new set of people to scooby with.

Nah, I liked Clark a lot in this episode, and though he has done it in the past I think Welling's direction of his character helped showcase that Clark can be independantly heroic and I thought he was quite heroic in the episode.

He died at the end, but not because Chloe wasn't around but because he wasn't an impervious super-alien in that reality because he didn't technically exist. Nonetheless he started out just wanting to make sure everyone was doing fine but by the end has realised he really was needed and really DID make a difference for the betterment of the world and the people in it. AND he figured that out on his own, which was very nice.

[Superboogie]

Without Chloe there to help him Clark suddenly mans up and starts thinking for himself. Who would have thought? Me, that's who.

He took charge, went to meet with Lois' informant, figured who the informant was all on his own, using his own brain. He was so manly, I was really proud of him. This is proof that Clark doesn't need anybody holding his hand and that he can most certainly step out of the BDA persona when need be. Unfortunately in the real verse he doesn't have the need. :rolleyes:
Also throw in the loss of Lana's burden from his shoulders and that Lois Lane had hots for him, he suddenly becomes a new man.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

AU's are perfect examples of how the writers can't tell compelling stories without resorting into cheap "it never happened but wasn't it cool?"- tactics. I think some of the best moments on the show didn't actually happen because for whatever reason the writers thought they couldn't keep it up or that it progressed Clark too much.