Jonathan & Martha.....Gone on a cruise.

[Randy G.]

I knew it was just wishful thinking, but how cool would it have been to have a surprise cameo appearance of John & Annette in tonight's episode?

We live in such a "spoilery" online society, it would've been nearly impossible to film the scene in secret, and keep it hush-hush until it aired.

Still, it would've shocked the crap out of me to see them walk into that kitchen. :)

[Odysseus]

I knew it was just wishful thinking, but how cool would it have been to have a surprise cameo appearance of John & Annette in tonight's episode?

We live in such a "spoilery" online society, it would've been nearly impossible to film the scene in secret, and keep it hush-hush until it aired.

Still, it would've shocked the crap out of me to see them walk into that kitchen. :)

Agreed, I would have loved it, and I was actually really hoping when I saw the trailer for this episode that JS and AOT would be guest-starring.

Seriously, writing their characters out of the show was one of the worst decisions TPTB made. The Kent family had this wonderful dynamic when they were together, and I remember during the first 5 seasons a lot of people, both fans and critics alike, all agreed it was one of the great highlights of any episode.

A part of me still clings to the wish that in the final episode of the series, Jor-El will pull a surprise and bring the Kents back to reward Clark for fulfilling his destiny. That would just be the most awesome surprise ever.

[thehenry89]

that would have been freakin awsome, but i'm just glad that terrence stamp was in this episode.

[kal-el_Girl]

I was waiting for Jonathan to walked in the room but I guess that wasn't appropiate, Can you imagine? seeing your dead father alive and well, and how clark was supposed to act? I bet his first reaction was to hug him and that would've been strange. clark would've been too emotional to keep focus on his task.
but still I want jonathan back!!! miss you JS <3

[JLedge]

I agree. Having Annette and John back would have been AMAZING in sooooo many ways.

I will say this, though - at least we got a plausible explanation of why Jonathan and Martha weren't there.

We got no explanation of why Jor-El and Lara were missing from the scene on Krypton. :\

Don't get me wrong - there are lots of excellent theories as to why they weren't there in a couple of other threads, and obviously it was not possible to shoot Jor-El and Lara, but it still would have been nice to have a definitive reason for why they weren't there.

[ForzaItalia]

It was lame. Jonathan and Martha going on a Cruise hardly sounds fitting of their characters….. In the Lara episode, when Kara and Lara were in the Kent house and said the Kents were at Church, that at least seemed fitting of their characters and made sense.

[MozartRequiem]

I would've loved to have seen Jonathan and Martha, but I can see the cruise happening. I mean, they are both romantics at heart, so I can see them doing this (where they got the money for it, I don't know).

I also thought this would've been the perfect opportunity to see Lionel one last time. It would've been cool if he was still alive, but instead of being the redeemed man he was when he died in "Descent", he would still the evil MB. Clark would then see what an effect he has on not only saving lives, but helping to save souls.

[svsabbiesv]

YEA i know Randy..that would have been awesome..but its even kew to kno they are livin the life..poor clark lol

[Cellist]

It seems odd that they would be able to afford a cruise.

[Randy G.]

Well, without the alien Clark as their son, they saved a bundle of money on building materials.
No torn down rails or walls, no destroyed house..... not to mention no holes in the roof of the loft. :lol:

[LexLuv180]

I would have LOVED it. Imagine him walking in, with Martha and Jonathan looking up and smiling in the kitchen. My heart would likely have broke.

[maryjanewatson]

Well, without the alien Clark as their son, they saved a bundle of money on building materials.
No torn down rails or walls, no destroyed house..... not to mention no holes in the roof of the loft. :lol:

but without their alien Clark as a son, they would of had to keep many farm hands hired, making it so they couldn't save money. They've mentioned before that Clark has saved them loads of money on farm hands because he does most of the work himself.

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Ya, it definitely would have been cool to see jonathon and martha. I can just see Jonathon saying, "Son, I don't know what your talking about, but if you want to sit down, we can figure this thing out." Not threatening him with a gun like the AU clark kent said. more like a kind of a Hiram Kent meets Jor-el in "relic" kind of situation.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

It was a bit of an eyebrow raising moment to hear they'd gone on a cruise, but I
was more surprised at the fact that they had actually adopted.
Kinda annoying, because you'd think after so long of not being able to have
kids that they wouldn't go and adopt in an AU. (Not trying to sound cold-hearted, just
trying to say that if they hadn't found Clark to begin with in the normal
universe, they wouldn't have.)

Anyway, a cruise does sound pretty AU, but pretty easy for me to overlook.

[Yasise]

Yeah, it would have been really heartwarming to see a reunion of the three of them. The Kent family together again.............


.................BUT, actually it was not the cruise thing that bothered me, it was actually the fact, that Jonathan was still alive in the AU.

Don't get me wrong, but I was afraid of that when I first read the spoilers and I mentioned that earlier in another thread, too.

I thought, that Clark would immediatly start to blame himself again or would be reasured that his father's death was all his fault, when he would see him being alive in that AU.

And actually we all have been proven right: Clark as well as us. Finally they showed us, that it was indeed Clark's fault, that Jonathan died so early of an heart attack!

Well, Clark didn't have the time to think about that yet. Let's see, if they'll bring that up in the next two episodes: Clark again blaming himself for putting his loved ones in danger or even being the reason for their deaths.

I hope very much, that we'll not see such a scene again, as we've had enough "Clark-blaming-himself" scenes already!

He was so supermanly in this episode. I hope, this won't change again next week, like it did after "Descent" in "Sleeper", when you understand what I mean.

I wish the next two episodes will be like "Descent" and "Apocalypse", I can't bear any kind of "Sleeper" Clark scenes anymore.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i thought we were promised an appearance by Bo Duke, I feel cheated he was not in the episode.

[stenochick]

The cruise sounds lame at first, but after pondering it overnight, it is one of the only things that is "happy" and prevents Clark from waiting around for them to get home.

Although, really, if Clark had the chance to see his father, he would have waited and/or supersped to find his parents no matter where they were.

For the plot to advance without John and Annette in the scenes, he needed to know his parents were happy but still be able to stay focused on saving Lois in the remaining scenes. Hence, the cruise.

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Yeah, it would have been really heartwarming to see a reunion of the three of them. The Kent family together again.............


.................BUT, actually it was not the cruise thing that bothered me, it was actually the fact, that Jonathan was still alive in the AU.

Don't get me wrong, but I was afraid of that when I first read the spoilers and I mentioned that earlier in another thread, too.

I thought, that Clark would immediatly start to blame himself again or would be reasured that his father's death was all his fault, when he would see him being alive in that AU.

And actually we all have been proven right: Clark as well as us. Finally they showed us, that it was indeed Clark's fault, that Jonathan died so early of an heart attack!

Well, Clark didn't have the time to think about that yet. Let's see, if they'll bring that up in the next two episodes: Clark again blaming himself for putting his loved ones in danger or even being the reason for their deaths.

I hope very much, that we'll not see such a scene again, as we've had enough "Clark-blaming-himself" scenes already!

He was so supermanly in this episode. I hope, this won't change again next week, like it did after "Descent" in "Sleeper", when you understand what I mean.

I wish the next two episodes will be like "Descent" and "Apocalypse", I can't bear any kind of "Sleeper" Clark scenes anymore.

I totally agree. The son should have stated that his dad died of a heart attack a year ago from overworking or something, and that Martha was away somewhere.

[last man of krypton]

I thought, that Clark would immediatly start to blame himself again or would be reasured that his father's death was all his fault, when he would see him being alive in that AU.

And actually we all have been proven right: Clark as well as us. Finally they showed us, that it was indeed Clark's fault, that Jonathan died so early of an heart attack!

I've been watching seasons 3 & 4 again lately, and it's been shown/mentioned that Jonathan's heart condition was a direct result of his gaining Kryptonian powers to bring Clark home. In fact, the first sign of his heart trouble happened just 12 episodes after getting powers.


It was a bit of an eyebrow raising moment to hear they'd gone on a cruise, but I
was more surprised at the fact that they had actually adopted.
Kinda annoying, because you'd think after so long of not being able to have
kids that they wouldn't go and adopt in an AU. (Not trying to sound cold-hearted, just
trying to say that if they hadn't found Clark to begin with in the normal
universe, they wouldn't have.)

I'm sorry, I'm probably reading this wrong but you make it sound like that a couple that can't have children of their own wouldn't adopt. Which sounds odd to me, because that would be the kind of couple that would be most likely to adopt.

[roccanater]

I think the cruiz idea was a good one.

[Krypton935]

That would have been great and I was hoping for it but deep down I think i knew it wouldn't happen :(

[Kevin24]

Basing this off what "Fake" Clark said I think Pa Kent is a completely different person then the one we know. "Fake " Clark mentioned that he was lucky that it wasn't his father in the barn instead of him otherwise he would have unloaded a shotgun on him......

I take it as he isn't the peaceful , nice man we have grown to know and his son seems to be hostile too. His son seemed like Whitney before he met Clark, a bully.

[Yasise]

I've been watching seasons 3 & 4 again lately, and it's been shown/mentioned that Jonathan's heart condition was a direct result of his gaining Kryptonian powers to bring Clark home. In fact, the first sign of his heart trouble happened just 12 episodes after getting powers.

yes you're right. But what was the reason in the first place for Jonathan to go to Jor-El for help? Obviously Clark. I'm sorry but I didn't get your point.

[LexLuv180]

I thought the son seemed pretty nice, just a bit protective of a strange guy being in his barn and calling his dad "dad". He seemed to want to get Clark 'help' at the end.

Ultimately it's been shown Jonathan's death was strain on the heart from saving Clark from himself by taking on Kryptonian power. He collapsed immediately afterward and the problems were from then on. As if that weren't enough, Jor-El told Clark someone would have to exchange their life for him. I don't think it's meant as a tragedy though, but an ultimate sacrifice Jonathan said when he came back that he was glad to pay for someone so great. As Chloe said, Lionel Jor-El and Jonathan died to save Clark because it was worth it.

But yes, of course it's still sad, and of course Clark still carries guilt about it. I don't want to see him moping over it continuously, but if it didn't bother him at all, he'd seem a bit heartless to me.

[Yasise]

I thought the son seemed pretty nice, just a bit protective of a strange guy being in his barn and calling his dad "dad". He seemed to want to get Clark 'help' at the end.

Ultimately it's been shown Jonathan's death was strain on the heart from saving Clark from himself by taking on Kryptonian power. He collapsed immediately afterward and the problems were from then on. As if that weren't enough, Jor-El told Clark someone would have to exchange their life for him. I don't think it's meant as a tragedy though, but an ultimate sacrifice Jonathan said when he came back that he was glad to pay for someone so great. As Chloe said, Lionel Jor-El and Jonathan died to save Clark because it was worth it.

But yes, of course it's still sad, and of course Clark still carries guilt about it. I don't want to see him moping over it continuously, but if it didn't bother him at all, he'd seem a bit heartless to me.

yes, I totally agree with you!

[SnowBird]

The cruise didn't bother me. I was more shocked to hear that Johnathan would shoot someone. Maybe it was just made up by the AU Clark to scare away the real Clark. At least I hope so.

[last man of krypton]

yes you're right. But what was the reason in the first place for Jonathan to go to Jor-El for help? Obviously Clark. I'm sorry but I didn't get your point.

My point was that we've known beyond any shadow of a doubt that Clark was responsible for Jonathan's condition for 4 years, so it wasn't too much of a shocker to learn in Apocalypse that he'd be alive in a world where Clark didn't exist.

[queenelizabeth]

Very true. Something to make Clark feel even guiltier about his death...

It was too bad Jonathan or Martha didn't turn up in the episode. Or Lionel. :-(

[Bosrudorfer]

Agreed, I was hoping they would pop up and when the cruise came up I was disappointed

[Billy Jor-El]

Yeah, having them in the kitchen when Clark-El walked in would be awesome, but what do you think the reaction of them would be? Clark was the guy that wondered why Kal-El was in the house; Jonathon and Martha would not have known him...probably another reason to bring back the sheriff other than how we saw her :)

It was rather weird for Kal-El to yell, "Dad!!!???" when he entered the house, the "real" Clark thought he was nuts (guess Lana does that to a person).

[Welling_is_pretty]

I agree, Randy, that it would have been cool for either Annette or Jon to have put in a surprise appearance. (or both)

But what gets me is they could have easily used one of their voices off-screen "Clark? Where are you?" or something and not even have had to get the actors back.

Instead of Ma or Pa Kent we get Sheriff Adams. Doesn't seem like a fair trade.

[ox007]

I still think that the biggest mistake of the show writers was to kill off JK and later remove Martha from the show! Clark still needs family, what about the farm and his future reporter job? It doesn't fit and all those cool family moments from season 1 to 5?

And don't you think that AU Clark wasn't adopted but it was the unborn Kent child from season 2? The child that died because of the explosion that caused a car accident of Kents?

[Yasise]

And don't you think that AU Clark wasn't adopted but it was the unborn Kent child from season 2? The child that died because of the explosion that caused a car accident of Kents?

No, of course not, because Martha was only able to get pregnant because Clark's ship healed her somehow, when she was flooded with its light in the stromcellar in "Tempest".

So no Clark, no ship of Clark to heal Martha in the first place, so no pregnancy, IMO, and no unborn child from season 2. :D

[Jaded Wolf]

This is what disappointed me in this episode. A cruise? First of all, how could they afford it? Did not having Clark arrive make them more financially secure to be able to go on a cruise? That bit was just stupid. The writers could have made it more sensical by saying they're at a stock market in another district or something. Maybe it would have cost a lot to bring them back for a few minutes but wouldn't that be worth it? Cheap ploy by the writers.

[GuardianAngel]

This is what disappointed me in this episode. A cruise? First of all, how could they afford it? Did not having Clark arrive make them more financially secure to be able to go on a cruise? That bit was just stupid. The writers could have made it more sensical by saying they're at a stock market in another district or something. Maybe it would have cost a lot to bring them back for a few minutes but wouldn't that be worth it? Cheap ploy by the writers.

Well, without Clark around they didn't have to spend a fortune in trucks (even Sheriff Adams once pointed out the number of cars the Kents smashed!), doors, windows and whatever Clark broke since he was found :lol:

[All about Clark]

Between replacing damaged clothing, building materials, etc. Clark would have been a very expensive kid to raise. I thought it perfect that the Kents could afford to go on a cruise without our Clark. There was an ep where Jonathan and Martha were strung up because of Clark and it was mentioned that they destroyed everything. AU Clark would not be messing with meteor freaks like our Clark.

[Humdinger]

It was lame. Jonathan and Martha going on a Cruise hardly sounds fitting of their characters….. In the Lara episode, when Kara and Lara were in the Kent house and said the Kents were at Church, that at least seemed fitting of their characters and made sense.

It was a toss off. TPTB could have come up with a more in-character excuse. Still, it would have been nice to see them in the AU.

[stenochick]

They could have been at an out-of-town farmer's convention or seminar on "How to grow corn for ethynol instead of for feeding people" or something. You know, something more farming-related or in character for them.

[Jaded Wolf]

Well, without Clark around they didn't have to spend a fortune in trucks (even Sheriff Adams once pointed out the number of cars the Kents smashed!), doors, windows and whatever Clark broke since he was found :lol:

Even without Clark though most farmers in the MidWest do not make enough to be off on a cruise. Especially in a place like Smallville with the Luthor's buying out the land and suppressing the people. Without Clark, the Luthors could have more easily done this and therefore make the farmer communities suffer in that area.

[GuardianAngel]

I was just joking. We could assume they won at the lottery...

[Jaded Wolf]

I was just joking. We could assume they won at the lottery...

Or they milked enough cows...

[ox007]

No, of course not, because Martha was only able to get pregnant because Clark's ship healed her somehow, when she was flooded with its light in the stromcellar in "Tempest".

So no Clark, no ship of Clark to heal Martha in the first place, so no pregnancy, IMO, and no unborn child from season 2. :D

Thanks for clearing that one :)