Dumbest. Episode. Ever.

[supermanfan04]

Really? Jimmy James Bond? Him and Chloe doing the tango? Are you kidding me!?! I thought this show was about how Clark Kent becomes Superman, not about his friends pretending to be movie characters. This episode was so pointless. The only good thing from it was what had to do with Clark. The new page, Braniac trying to kill him on Krypton, Kara's message...that's it! Boo for Chimmy! MORE CLARK!!!!!!!

[borednow]

You really think this beat Fierce? or the Exploding Baby episode?

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Of the episodes I've seen, I skipped some when I though the arc got too ridiculous, I have to say this is my vote for worst. That said, I did really like the Tango scene, I thought it was very well done.

[supermanfan04]

yes! worst of all! it was not convincing. Even the exploding baby and lana turning into a vampire were explainable through kryptonite. but jimmy being hired by a secret agent and miraculously pulling off all the james bondish type moves? give me a break! and i hated the tango scene!

[Liarma]

^ i concur.:D

[Eri-El]

It wasn't one of my favorites........The Clark scenes were the best ones.......Oh and the Rita Skeeter line was classic:D

[borednow]

Seriously... Jimmy crawling threw some vents and knocking out a guy because the NSA thought he was a super hacker thanks to Kara is not the dumbest, or even lest believable thing that has ever happened... this show has had: Dead clone rescues, Vampires, Exploding babies, Radio wave transmission invisibility, Chloe the master of any skill at any second that it might be useful, A website that tracks comic book sales, fake baby plots, An entire arch with Lana being possessed by a French witch! Kryptonite dust devils and killer beauty pageant contestants, and Farmer McMoleMan... I could understand if this was the last straw for you but seriously dumbest episode ever?

[Este]

You really think this beat Fierce? or the Exploding Baby episode?

Writing wise? Yes! It beats all the previous dumb episodes of Smallville. For me, Sleeper is definitely the worst.

I agree with you, supermanfan04. I tried to care about the Chimmy storyline and couldn't. And me too, while I watched the dance scene, I kept thinking : so, this is the show about how Clark Kent becomes Superman? And, sadly, I hated, literally hated Clark scenes, because every ounce of wit and initiative came from Chloe. I can't stand this Clark Kent. He's just not likable anymore.

Oh, and this episode had the dumbest written scene in Smallville history IMO. The one with the appearing pages in Swann's journal.
Clark is texting Chloe that he has found something. She rushes to meet him from Metropolis to Smallville.
(It would have taken Clark all of 2 seconds to go see her.)
Clark puts under her nose the kryptonian written journal : "You need to read this."
(She can't read kryptonian. Never could. What the heck?)
From this point on, it gets better and better. Chloe asks if Clark can read it. No, the transmission is incomplete, distorted...
(But Clark made Chloe come from Metropolis because he had found something. What was it, then? And, Clark wanted Chloe to read the journal when even he can't.:eek:)
Then he looks at the page and reads.
(So, he needed Chloe to tell him to try to read. That's so, so... Was everyone drunk when they penned and revised this episode?)
I've never expected so much idiocy from Smallville.

[Darkness Falls]

The Jimmy thing was what bothered you about this ep? The Tango? Of all the hideiously stupid plot inconsistances(sp?) in this ep the Jimmy/chloe thing is what bothered you? I agree, as I watched "Sleeper" I couldn't help but think "hey, didn't this show used to be about the guy that's supposed to become Superman" , but still the third rate photoshop geek wasn't who I had a problem with. It was with the supposed hero, after having THE iconic moment with his arch-rival the episode before, and now "I don't care about Lex!"
Seriously, WTF?
It's like the writers got their scenes and episodes messed up. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this show, i love the characters (all of them, even photo-geek), and the casting, but the writing (IMHO) has become substandard and non-consistant. Suspension of disbelif (sp?) only goes so far, overlooking huge character inconsistancies ain't covered by "it's a comic book story, just relax"

[borednow]

I kept thinking : so, this is the show about how Clark Kent becomes Superman?

When was the last time you weren't???

[Thrill_Seeker]

yes! worst of all! it was not convincing. Even the exploding baby and lana turning into a vampire were explainable through kryptonite. but jimmy being hired by a secret agent and miraculously pulling off all the james bondish type moves? give me a break! and i hated the tango scene!

you do realised how short-sighted and incredibly stubborn your being ?
sleeper had some elements that were important.

like the involvement of domestic security, thats not over and lex finding the box and getting its contents.
there was nothing wrong with the james bond stuff, they were having some fun, and I think you should know that not every episode can be about clarks destiny.
sleeper was fun and it was not dumb. you were just too stiff in your attitude towards this episode.......
people dont know how to relax........I LOVED IT !

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i actually do care and do enjoy about the stuff that isnt superman-ish.

i liked it alot, but unfortunate that alot of people didnt.

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i actually do care and do enjoy about the stuff that isnt superman-ish.

i liked it alot, but unfortunate that alot of people didnt.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Yes, there was some important stuff related to the current overall arc, but that stuff was covered for 5 minutes tops. The whole Chimmy thing basically set a whole new bar for the poor writing of the show, it made no sense to the overall show and was full of holes and inconsistencies in its own storyline. If they needed a filler episode they should have come up with a FotW to cover the non-Veritas time in the episode. What sucks most is that according to the spoilers this federal agent spy arc isn't over.

[Este]

"I kept thinking : so, this is the show about how Clark Kent becomes Superman?"

When was the last time you weren't???

Feels like years. It has been years.:(
And I still don't understand why TPTB can't hire writers interested to write fo Clark's character.

[Karafan1]

Ageless is my pick for dumbest episode ever

[Liarma]

dumbest episode ever? Wither.

[Yasise]

What bothers me the most with this episode isn't the Jimmy Bond stuff or the Chimmy scenes (I didn't like them either, but, well, I could have lived with it)

The most disturbing point is/was, Clark's contradictory and clueless behaviour regarding last weeks episode.
That he all of a sudden doesn't care about Lex, veritas and the savety of the whole world anymore....that's soooo annoying and actually ridiculous.
Sure, he can be sad about Lana's condition but at this point, when he knows Lex is possibly able to control him in the near future, if he doesn't manage to prevent it, that's really a shame!
Last week he was so supermanly and this week he is the total opposite - give us a break dear writers! What are you up to?

So, IMO, the problem with this episode isn't the whole filler story about Jimmy Bond and Chloe, the problem is Clark's strange attitude and illogical behaviour!

Last week he was fully aware of all the danger Lex means for him and the whole world and this week Chloe has to push him all the time and actually be his brain, because he couldn't figure out anything alone!

This is so dissapointing! I expected more of Clark!

I think, this is the real reason, why so many people didn't like this episode so much. It was like "Huh, is this the same Clark we saw last week? Where did this Clark-like-looking guy came from and what is he talking about?"

[wrinkles]

Dumbest episode ever... hmmm.. I think I need a points scale to work this out.

Time travel. Nuff said. 50 points.

Lex having departure problems. Like, WTF was the point of that? 10 points.

US government agencies investigating Chloe. This is Smallville people - we've had meteor showers, mutant freaks, aliens, murder, mahen and several plane crashes. But Chloe taps into a government computer and she gets flagged as a terrorist? DO NOT TRY TO ENFORCE REAL WORLD LOGIC IN SMALLVILLE!!!! 25 points

Clark willing to let the end of world come so that he can sit next to coma!Lana. 2000 points.

As another thread said, the worst spyware in the world. 10 points.

The fact that Jimmy was super spy, despite making the worst spyware in the world. 10 points again.


So I'm up to 2105 points. I think that ranks as pretty dumb, just for being so anti-genre, anti-character and anti-interesting.

[Karafan1]

Dumbest episode ever... hmmm.. I think I need a points scale to work this out.

Time travel. Nuff said. 50 points.

Lex having departure problems. Like, WTF was the point of that? 10 points.

US government agencies investigating Chloe. This is Smallville people - we've had meteor showers, mutant freaks, aliens, murder, mahen and several plane crashes. But Chloe taps into a government computer and she gets flagged as a terrorist? DO NOT TRY TO ENFORCE REAL WORLD LOGIC IN SMALLVILLE!!!! 25 points

Clark willing to let the end of world come so that he can sit next to coma!Lana. 2000 points.

As another thread said, the worst spyware in the world. 10 points.

The fact that Jimmy was super spy, despite making the worst spyware in the world. 10 points again.


So I'm up to 2105 points. I think that ranks as pretty dumb, just for being so anti-genre, anti-character and anti-interesting.

LOL!:rotfl:

[TigerLily83]

I agree with ThrillSeeker, I rather liked this episode for it's light elements. If I was an actress then a light-hearted episode once in awhile would be a lot of fun to create. It was a filler episode, with important scenes that wouldn't have filled out the time slot by themselves. I watched Sleeper back to back with Descent and it made sense to me; and okay I get bored with relationship scenes but I was able to sit through it which is unusual.
I dunno, maybe I'm more open minded than the rest of you...

[Sweetie]

This episode was unnecessary.But,everyone on the show deserves one centered episode. Yeah,they carried away the Jimmy Bond's stuff a little bit too far but,it was not supposed to be taking that seriously either.

For me,Thirst,Ageless,Wrath and the stupid witch's arc were much worst.

[HowardFilms]

Does every season have to have an episode with Jimmy living out one of his cinematic fantasies? Is this gonna be a new thing?

[Sweetie]

Does every season have to have an episode with Jimmy living out one of his cinematic fantasies? Is this gonna be a new thing?


Well,you know Smallville's writters never come up with new ideas.They always come back in the same old concepts and they hope we won't notice this ;)

[Humdinger]

It definitely was filler, and a real piece of fluff. Which I think is why so many people are upset with it. There was high drama in the previous episode, and a lot of things to be resolved, so what do the writers give us - a filler. Bad timing, unrealistic actions by a character, and little or no furtherance of the plot. And to put the cherry on it, they furthered Clana by having Clark distracted by Lana's condition. He should be more worried about what Brainiac's interest is in his living cousin than in a vegetable.

[katieishere]

This, for me, ranks as the worst episode ever because I did not see even a smidgeon of Superman in Clark.

1. He out and out stated that he didn't care what happened to the rest of the world, he only cared about Lana.

2. He didn't do a single thing in this episode on his own. Chloe found out all of the information and explained it to him. Chloe told him to read the diary. Chloe convinced him to go to the Fortress. What is he doing all day that he can't get online and learn how to hack? He's not in school, he's not working, and he sure as certain isn't out saving the the world with the Justice League. As far as I can tell, Clark is spending his days on the farm doing nothing, then spending the nights sitting next to a comatose Lana, all while yelling at his friend for not doing enough for fix her. There is no Superman in that situation.

3. He somehow tied his problem with Brainiac and Lana into a plot by Jor-El. Excuse me? That seemed like a knee-jerk reaction; as though Jor-El was to automatically to blame for anything related to the Fortress. He seems to forget that Brainiac is advanced enough to manipulate any Kryptonian technology.

4. He never once took anyone else's lives or feelings into consideration. It was all about what he needed, wanted, or thought. One of the most beatiful things about Superman is that he puts the world first. They have shredded and spit on that idea this episode, and it is just infuriating.

[supermanfan04]

[QUOTE=Thrill_Seeker;3754403]you do realised how short-sighted and incredibly stubborn your being ?
sleeper had some elements that were important.

like the involvement of domestic security, thats not over and lex finding the box and getting its contents.
there was nothing wrong with the james bond stuff, they were having some fun, and I think you should know that not every episode can be about clarks destiny.
sleeper was fun and it was not dumb. you were just too stiff in your attitude towards this episode.......
people dont know how to relax........I LOVED IT !



Um, sorry, i know how to relax, and i'm not being stubborn. incase you didn't notice, several other people thought that this episode was pointless and dumb, too. i know that not every episode is about clark's destiny, but this one was just seriously stupid. perhaps you could find a thread about how much you liked the episode and stay out of this one!

[Este]

Katieishere, I agree with everything you said. Those are the precise reasons why "Sleeper" is the worst episode ever for me too.
I can live with filler fun episodes every now and then (though better timing would be welcome), but not with Clark being a dumb and selfish jerk.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

The problem isn't that it was centered around supporting character so much, is that on top of that the story made no sense to itself or any arc.

As for Clark not caring about Lex, that is just the writers trying to setup Clark's reaction to the thought of not being. Watching Descent and having read the spoilers for Apocalypse I was wondering how in the hell this guy with all this drive to make Lex pay for his sins, save Lana, and find Kara, was going to come to the conclusion that suicide by Brainiac was the best option. They had to throw in the bit about Lex not mattering so that they could make it look like his feelings about Lana put him in a depressed state for the next episode. I think you guys call it a retcon, or would call it a retcon, the writer's were trying to cover their posteriors to make the premise for Apocalypse believable and not overshadow what promises to be a top ten episode.

[yoda1138777]

Since Al Gough and Miles Millar are leaving the show; if we start getting more of these type of episodes then they should stop here after this season and not even do 8. We waited through gaps and writers strikes and this is the episode we get??? what happened to that part in the preview where Lex goes to the Fortress did they show it a week early? cause in this episode it never happened. They only have a few episodes left why couldnt they have given more JLA, fights, Kara, anything else. This and Noir is some of the worst ones for me.:(

Also the incredible talent for hacking secure networks has got to go. WAY to unbelievable.

[ginnyfan]

It was a complete misstep to lighten things up after Lionel's death. I was ready for things to get gritty and exciting, to focus on Lex and Clark. If this episode came after a less intense and wonderful episode, I doubt that people would have such a totally negative reaction to it. But after "Decent." It's just wrong.

That said, my sister loved "Sleeper". It reminded her that Smallville is actually fun and made her excited for the next episode. She's a very casual viewer. Maybe that's who they were aiming for with "Sleeper."

*shrug*

[Hopefulsuicide]

it was dumb in every single way an episode can be dumb... i'm still somewhere between crying my eyes out and laughing myself to sleep...

hey maybe they called it Sleeper because the episode sends you to sleep, one way or another

[TheLeague]

despite some rediculous plot holes

( MAKE UP YOUR MIND CLARK DO U WANNA STOP LEX OR NOT )

it COULD have been alot worse imo :\

[borednow]

*Thinks about Charmed* Oh yeah it could be a lot worse....

[Thrill_Seeker]

Um, sorry, i know how to relax, and i'm not being stubborn. incase you didn't notice, several other people thought that this episode was pointless and dumb, too. i know that not every episode is about clark's destiny, but this one was just seriously stupid. perhaps you could find a thread about how much you liked the episode and stay out of this one!

by saying "you", I meant everyone.
and actually if you have noticed, one of the main reasons that forums even exist is so that people can voice their opinion about the episode/show.
dont you get all defensive with me when I voice my opinion
if you didnt like it then fine, thats your opinion, go and have a cry and get over it.
there are people who did like it and you have no right to tell me to go and leave this forum, last time I checked, your not a moderator. so I wont stay out of this one and maybe you can realised that as there were people who didnt like it at all, there were people who did enjoy this episode.

[Randy G.]

[Mod Note:] I'm closing this thread, because some of you (you know who you are) aren't capable of "playing well with others."

Be expecting some PM's coming your way.