Those Who Thought It Was Not Lex Who Had Gina Killed Were Really Really Correct!

[LastSonKalEl]

isn't that awesome

[Kevin24]

They said that? I didn't catch it! But if it's true then yes :)

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah we had a huge thread on the Descent episode lol that went for like 10 pages .. but yeah it was awesome

[minerva73]

They said that? I didn't catch it! But if it's true then yes :)

I think it's because the same guy who murdered Gina also tried to kill Lex, so that's where that's coming from.

[AndiGirl]

Not to burst any bubbles...but I'm not convinced yet. I really want to believe it wasnt lex...but it's possible the guy that worked for him wanted to kill him to get what was in the box?? Because it's obviously valuable to Lex. Just a thought....i hope it's wrong!! ;)

[Kevin24]

Not to burst any bubbles...but I'm not convinced yet. I really want to believe it wasnt lex...but it's possible the guy that worked for him wanted to kill him to get what was in the box?? Because it's obviously valuable to Lex. Just a thought....i hope it's wrong!! ;)

The guy with the weird voice did say " You aren't one of them!"

I'm guessing that has to do with Vertias.

[Servayne]

Yep, not Lex. Is it me or does he, perhaps, work for Veritas?

[Kevin24]

What happened to him though? Who was he? I mean he did appear out of nowhere! Unless he was the man who gave Lex the box in the first place?

[Bosrudorfer]

I think Lex did kill Gina

The guy who attacked Lex was the banker shown before, he probably realized even though Lex had the keys he was not one of them in Veritas

[Karafan1]

Now that Gina is dead I wish they would have shown Lex's reaction when he listened to the voicemail message of Gina saying she knows who the traveler is

[Servayne]

Now that Gina is dead I wish they would have shown Lex's reaction when he listened to the voicemail message of Gina saying she knows who the traveler is

yep, another plot hole. You think Lex would have been miffed about having that information there and not getting it.

[dru-zod2501]

Not to burst any bubbles...but I'm not convinced yet. I really want to believe it wasnt lex...but it's possible the guy that worked for him wanted to kill him to get what was in the box?? Because it's obviously valuable to Lex. Just a thought....i hope it's wrong!! ;)
but the problem with that, was Lex clearly had no idea who he was. If he wanted Gina dead the killer would've reported to him directly, hence he should've known.

My question now is whether or not he's the last Veritas member? Most likely not, since I'm assuming Lex would've had some way to detain him, and the guy is supposed to be in hiding now. but then if he isn't why bring him back 2 weeks in a row???

[elway]

Yep, that was the guy that killed Gina last week trying to kill Lex....:lol:

So did Lex put a hit on himself too???:rotfl:

Hey, (person I'll leave nameless) I TOLD YOU SO!!.... Thank you, thank you, no really thank you to all that widened their scope to realize Lex was the textbook 101, leasson 1, chapter 1, example of a red herring..

[Servayne]

but the problem with that, was Lex clearly had no idea who he was. If he wanted Gina dead the killer would've reported to him directly, hence he should've known.

My question now is whether or not he's the last Veritas member? Most likely not, since I'm assuming Lex would've had some way to detain him, and the guy is supposed to be in hiding now. but then if he isn't why bring him back 2 weeks in a row???

Agree with what you are saying.

I thought he was the remaining Veritas member last week, but tonight I don't believe so. If he was, Lex would have recognized him. Lex was friends with all the kids of the Veritas members and knew all the members.

[elway]

Not to burst any bubbles...but I'm not convinced yet. I really want to believe it wasnt lex...but it's possible the guy that worked for him wanted to kill him to get what was in the box?? Because it's obviously valuable to Lex. Just a thought....i hope it's wrong!! ;)
Why would Lex be getting the box handed to him by a supposed henchmen??? WTH would he have to do with the box???? The guy in Zurich killed Gina, and tried to kill Lex..

[4Clana]

:D

[LexLuv180]

Lex didn't know who the guy trying to kill him was. That was clear from his discussion on the phone afterwards, and what the man said to Lex. If he's the same one who killed Gina before, then obviously Lex couldn't have set him up to do it.

[Darkness Falls]

I gotta say, I've read the debate thread about this subject and I honestly didn't see anything in " Sleeper" that proved anything one way or another. Please explain your case, just so we can move on to other discussions.

[jordeant1200]

the guy that tried to kill lex was the guy that murdered gina same guy end fo story. it was never lex that tried to kill gina, fact.

[elway]

the guy that tried to kill lex was the guy that murdered gina same guy end fo story. it was never lex that tried to kill gina, fact.
Just to add to that, Lex said he had no idea who *he* was. But if it wasn't the guy that killed Gina, he'd be one hell of a stunt double for the guy from decent

[maryjanewatson]

I'm still pretty sure Lex did in fact have gina killed. He would be wondering where she was if he hadn't been the one to order the axe.

[elway]

He had the keys and was on his jet to zurich, she was to stay behind and clean up. Now down the road I know Lex would prolly off her, but someone beat him to it. And almost killed Him as well. Telling Lex as he left ur not 1 of them.

[KrissO]

I'm still pretty sure Lex did in fact have gina killed. He would be wondering where she was if he hadn't been the one to order the axe.

There's lot of plotholes in Smallville. We never saw Chloe's reaction to when Lana resurfaced from the "dead". Why didn't we see Martha at Lionel's funeral? Why didn't we see Lex's reaction to the voicemail... or wondering where Gina was. I think the answer is that Smallville is a 40 minute show, they don't have time for all the details.

Anyway, as soon as I saw the banker hand Lex the briefcase... I knew he was going to attack him from behind, haha. It was too obvious.

My guess is he was hired by Lionel OR a previous Veritas member / someone linked to them to prevent any "unauthorised" person to gain access to the envelope. Could it be he has a job at the bank... with this alternative and longtime mission. But there's still other possibilities. That the banker indeed tried to play Lex from the start because that was the only way he could get the envelope. Or maybe he was just freelance.

[Humdinger]

I think Lex did kill Gina

The guy who attacked Lex was the banker shown before, he probably realized even though Lex had the keys he was not one of them in Veritas

Agree with you. He was from the bank.

[elway]

Agree with you. He was from the bank.

Well if that aint the guy that killed Gina, then he is his twin brother.....It was the same guy trying to kill Lex that got Gina. Meaning Lex had NO involvment in Gina's death.

Go back and look for yourselves. Same age the hair is the exact same (cut, greyness on the sides, and parted on the same side)

[RedKalEL]

wait is this guy who tried to kill lex the same guy that killed gina

[evilmadman]

There's lot of plotholes in Smallville. We never saw Chloe's reaction to when Lana resurfaced from the "dead". Why didn't we see Martha at Lionel's funeral? Why didn't we see Lex's reaction to the voicemail... or wondering where Gina was. I think the answer is that Smallville is a 40 minute show, they don't have time for all the details.

martha didnt show up because the funeral was closed to everyone, as chloe said, clark just ignored this! but still your point is valid.

the man that killed gina and tried to kill lex are the same person, i just looked at the images side by side and im certain! but it wasnt the person who handed lex the box, just to clear that up.

for those that think lex did kill gina, why would someone go ahead with a hit when theyve just heard the target leave a message with your employer saying they have some important information? just doesnt make sense!

[LastSonKalEl]

okay this is just getting retarded....the same guy who killed gina tried to kill Lex...so the main previous arguement of did Lex have Gina killed is out....it's proven to be wrong...if Lex didn't even recognize the man when he walked into the bank...it is the same man I recorded both episodes and went back and checked bc i don't like to be wrong when i'm writing things on here lol.... so now the question has to be is this man the missing member of Veritas or is a lackey for that person..either way he is connected to Veritas or he wouldn't be trying to protect it so passionately.... he also contains a finesse that most of lex's henchman don't....but here's my catch on why he might be THE veritas survivor.....he didn't kill Lex..he failed..... bc he's not a hired hitman...he's just a protector of the secret.. any speculations as to Lex killing Gina at this point have to be disregarded as flawed

[KrissO]

martha didnt show up because the funeral was closed to everyone, as chloe said, clark just ignored this! but still your point is valid.

the man that killed gina and tried to kill lex are the same person, i just looked at the images side by side and im certain! but it wasnt the person who handed lex the box, just to clear that up.

for those that think lex did kill gina, why would someone go ahead with a hit when theyve just heard the target leave a message with your employer saying they have some important information? just doesnt make sense!

Yeah my point was Martha should have ingored it too.

Anyway, this is so confusing. All the "three men" look the same.
Right so the guy who handed Lex the box was just a random bank guy doing his job. But did you notice his tie and shirt were identical to the ones that the attacker was wearing?
Was that just a coincidence?

[dru-zod2501]

doesn't anyone have a way to post screen caps?

[neo0721]

i tivod it and everyone is right it was the same guy that killed gina

[elway]

Remember Gina went to zurich to the bank, but came back to tell Lex he needed 2 keys.. Now the guy who's protecting the box is connected to the bank where it was kept.

Gina had only 1 key meaning she didn't know what she was doing and wasn't one of them (Veritas) he noticed that and knew something was up so he killed her protecting the box. Now Lex comes along and the guy was just trying doing his job protecting the box......Quote from Lex to some1 on the phone "find out who the guy is that attacked me, and if he's related to our problem in Qubec" The second part aboot canada I aint touching yet....:lol:

[RJLCyberPunk]

Agree with what you are saying.

I thought he was the remaining Veritas member last week, but tonight I don't believe so. If he was, Lex would have recognized him. Lex was friends with all the kids of the Veritas members and knew all the members.

True it proves he is not Veritas either in fact when he spoke his voice sounded disembodied almost Alien like...


Which means we have a true wildcard running around but it is not Edward Teague and it is not a Veritas member, and in fact he must be able to somehow transport himself into a secured vault without anyone noticing him, remember Lex was still in the vault when this perp attacked him. Still his attack on Lex compared to his attack on Gina was pretty sloppy by comparison but then again so was this whole episode and Elway I always knew that my guess was just a guess and as such it could be wrong, so it was, but guess what it is not Teague nor it is a Veritas member, nor hired by any surviving veritas member either because in fact he said to Lexx "You are not one of them!" meaning Veritas members as they are the ones responsable for placing the relic in that Zurich account.


As I said now this perp is a true wildcard with no known allegiances to anyone and whose motives and objectives are also unknown, given what he said to Lex is obvious that he is following his own agenda whatever it is...

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Remember Gina went to zurich to the bank, but came back to tell Lex he needed 2 keys.. Now the guy who's protecting the box is connected to the bank where it was kept.

Gina had only 1 key meaning she didn't know what she was doing and wasn't one of them (Veritas) he noticed that and knew something was up so he killed her protecting the box. Now Lex comes along and the guy was just trying doing his job protecting the box......Quote from Lex to some1 on the phone "find out who the guy is that attacked me, and if he's related to our problem in Qubec" The second part aboot canada I aint touching yet....:lol:

He was most certainly not a Veritas member in fact given what he says to Lex "You are not one of them" means he is allied with Veritas but rather hates them for whatever reasons, this guy is not as altruistic as you think and he is following his own agenda, and given the fact he was able to somehow get into a vault undetected means that he is either a Kryptorock freak or an alien.

[luvinChlark]

Yes I was right! lol idk.

[Hopefulsuicide]

i never doubted it for a second, Smallville is utterly predictable... if Lex had Gina killed they would have made a point of it just like with Patricia... the fact they didn't said to me that it was something to do with Veritas instead

i saw that guy and i thought, finally everyone will stop argueing... it's the same guy!

of course i underestimated how stubborn people can be :lol

[TheLeague]

Ha!!! i owned :D

i said it would be the last surviving veritas member in the other thread and i stand by it!!!!

i win!!! wheres my cookie!!!! >:(

[migo]

Why would he use a garotte? Every Swiss man knows how to shoot a gun, and has a submachine gun. You can expect a banker to have a silenced pistol and just shoot him in the back of the head.

[LexLuv180]

Who knows, maybe he just thinks garottes are cooler. I'm glad to see this debate has basically died finally.