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Minela
04-24-2008, 07:44 PM
I don't even think I could list all the plot holes in this episode. :lol:

Cogito17
04-24-2008, 07:57 PM
I voted for "I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!"/"I don't care about Lex or the keys!", was a big letdown for me after the build up of tension between the two in the last episode.

Minela
04-24-2008, 08:00 PM
After the sheer awesomeness of last week's episode and what promises to be a very good episode next week... I'm just considering Sleeper a dream sequence. Anything else would seem illogical. It was Jimmy's dream just like Noir.

Theshadow129x
04-24-2008, 08:04 PM
I voted for Clark saying he doesnt care about the keys or Lex all because he wants to spend time with Lana. They need to cut the crap seriously. Once again, Clark pushes off all duty just for her. How is he going to help her if Lex controls him? He will get no where if he lets lex get away with his plan. Lex is the least dangerous right now! all he had to do was swoop into the mansion, x-ray everything, take teh keys and concentrate on Brainiac but he doesnt care about the task because watching a catatonic lana is more important? seriously? this episode was exactly what the title said: a "sleeper". one huge freaking snore!

BIGBLUE10789
04-24-2008, 08:11 PM
I voted for jimmy knowing that they would be cleared before he even knew. I was like huh??????

minerva73
04-24-2008, 08:14 PM
I say "Other". Specifically Chloe's nagging to Clark about how he should be worried when she's not doing anything to stop Lex either. She has the Isis technology, so she should put it to use instead of forcing Clark to do something about Lex since SHE feels so strongly about Lex being stopped at the moment.

Alexander III
04-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Jimmy doesn't question Chloe about the secret afterall? Why?!?!?!?! WHY WHY WHY?

RepairmanBob
04-24-2008, 08:17 PM
After the sheer awesomeness of last week's episode and what promises to be a very good episode next week... I'm just considering Sleeper a dream sequence. Anything else would seem illogical. It was Jimmy's dream just like Noir.
<!-- / message -->I chose to believe this is the truth. It makes far, far more sense than the alternative.

CallMeClark
04-24-2008, 08:21 PM
Too hard to choose one...

kal-el_Girl
04-24-2008, 08:30 PM
After the sheer awesomeness of last week's episode and what promises to be a very good episode next week... I'm just considering Sleeper a dream sequence. Anything else would seem illogical. It was Jimmy's dream just like Noir.
forget noir, how agout thirst that was so ridiculous is not even funny!!

Xziled_Zoner
04-24-2008, 09:13 PM
I think the thing that bothered me the most is in the loft at the end of the episode that the fact that Chloe was beaten for doing Clark's dirty work and it was totally like it never happened ! That was a WTF moment for me! I hope they clean this mess up in the next few episodes.

Ares
04-24-2008, 09:27 PM
Jimmy is a lil Dbag how does he know any of what he just did.. thats so dumb.. hes not a Secret Agent Man! come on.. gay..

LuckyLois
04-24-2008, 09:35 PM
All of the above and then some! The writers strike gave them enough time to think up Desent, and then they give us this??? What gives?

Who
04-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Didn't Gina wipeout the Isis computer last episode? Also, didn't the caves get destroyed by the 2nd meteor shower. Wouldn't the key be no longer of use to get Clark to the fortress?

rissaroo689
04-24-2008, 10:18 PM
"i don't care about lex really" for me. the hell?

MozartRequiem
04-24-2008, 10:23 PM
"Also, didn't the caves get destroyed by the 2nd meteor shower. Wouldn't the key be no longer of use to get Clark to the fortress?"

No, the caves were shaken up, but not destroyed. They just barely got shown in the show after that because they destroyed the set. At least that's what I heard.

As far as biggest plothole, "I don't care about Lex" was HORRENDOUS! I don't usually complain about SV, because it's my favorite show and I usually am impressed by how the writers can set up so many different complex storylines with psychologically rich characters and try to revamp comic boom material for a modern audience...but with this line, it REALLY was frustrating, after "Descent"....UURURRRRRRRRH. Makes me mad!

Sorry for the rant. :) Anyway, yeah, that was terrible. The rest of the episode, I enjoyed, even if there were plotholes.

LastSonKalEl
04-24-2008, 10:52 PM
main plot hole for me is jimmy asking for help and being indebted when he knows lex killed his own dad....but lex doesn't know jimmy knows so that is why he helped

Krypto/DQ/
04-24-2008, 10:54 PM
A lot of things wasn't making sense at all, pretty much a stupid episode, hope next week's epi is much better.

Servayne
04-24-2008, 11:13 PM
I picked "Other" because there were SOOOO many plot holes... the episode was such a disappointment and made VERY little sense.

ginnyfan
04-24-2008, 11:33 PM
"I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!"

Yeah this one takes the cake. I mean, I can almost see myself rooting for Lex in the finale after this one. LOL!

Harrison_Bergeron
04-24-2008, 11:35 PM
As for Lex being red flagged, I believe that was covered when Jimmy haxored the Isis computer, I forget what exactly the seal said, but it was a generic version of the TSA.

I thought that the tango scene was well done, and the Jimmy/Lex scene was well done, the rest was just filler, I was left with the same thought after the last episode. I really hope the next episode lives up to the hype cuz so far I am not impressed with these post strike episodes.

As for the poll, I have to say that Jimmy's secret agent man skills were the biggest hole for me. Clark caring more about Lana than Lex was just to set up the next episode.

Thought of a little one, all that equipment in Isis, the computers and The JL Gear and the only security is an antique door knob, Jimmy even accessed the secret computer room.

Servayne
04-24-2008, 11:43 PM
Oh that's a good point. With the money Lana stole from Lex and now Oliver's money (since the JLA equip is there) you would think the security would be state of the art.

Jimmy going to Lex AFTER no one came for Chloe made no sense either. Why would Lex help Chloe out after he fired her and he knows how tight she is with Clark? He wouldn't have unless Jimmy went to him asking for help - Lex has bigger things to worry about than Chloe and maybe getting Jimmy to help him later. It made no sense.

dru-zod2501
04-25-2008, 01:02 AM
I say "Other". Specifically Chloe's nagging to Clark about how he should be worried when she's not doing anything to stop Lex either. She has the Isis technology, so she should put it to use instead of forcing Clark to do something about Lex since SHE feels so strongly about Lex being stopped at the moment.
and what can one lone woman do if the big, bad "superhero with the crazy powers" won't do anything about for himself.

Though maybe u'r on to something. If He's not willing, that she should've called Ollie nad the Leage "Guys we need to save Clark from himself. He's going into serious D-Bag mode, and I can't break him out of it."

They owe her some mad favors after all!

Kirstycol
04-25-2008, 01:26 AM
This post was sooo funny. I wish I could have clicked them all!!!!

Lex helps Jimmy, Jimmy knows about it before hand. Huh? (I think the editor sneezed when he was putting together that part)
No explanation for Lex being red flagged by the government. (I got nothin)
Lex in Zurich right after the whole 'red flag' thing. Huh? (LMFAO!!!)
Chloe knows a bit too much about the Law's of physics. (She miraculously knows about everything somehow)
Employee benefits in a a locked briefcase? At a party? Late at night? Whaaa?(Can't...stop... laughing!!!!)
"I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!" (Clark is a mimbo)
Government agent relies on Jimmy to catch a "terrorist" than just gives up because Lex said so?(LOL)
Jimmy doesn't question Chloe about the secret afterall? Why?!?!?!?! (If he questioned her and she answered, then they wouldn't be able to repeat this story line forever and ever and ever and ever ad nausium. Didn't you know that already?)
Chloe was about to fess up to her secret? Just like that? Huh? (She would have lied and they would have had a Clana like break up)
Other. I know there are a lot. (Soooo many plot holes)

Wow you actually found this many in ONE episode. The writers should be ashamed. I can't belive I still watch this show. It's like that time I got hooked on days of our lives and couldn't stop watching for like 5 years.

slayer
04-25-2008, 01:53 AM
the government expects jimmy to bring down a "terrorist", oh and while we're at it - lets give him a briefcase full of high-tech gadgets and weaponry!!!!

amberdawn
04-25-2008, 02:01 AM
I... can't... choose... just one. It's too... difficult :lol:

Theshadow129x
04-25-2008, 02:02 AM
this episode was just horrible. seriously i think it ruined the show for me.

DGirlLois4Clark
04-25-2008, 05:37 AM
Where is the 'all of the above' option. I didnt understand half the episode.
The most stupid plot was Chloe gaining access to government confidential files et al, so easily. Seriously?
They let a suspected terrorist go because Lex says so? WTF. No seriously WTF.

And to top it off, they needed the help of her boyfriend to try to catch her. WTF WTF WTF. I cant get over that.

Stupid episode!!!!!!!!!

Humdinger
04-25-2008, 06:00 AM
Jimmy as a super agent, but I wanted to pick all of them, and then some. Crap episode.

skylar
04-25-2008, 06:01 AM
Very disappointed in this episode. Everthing about this one didn't make any sense. All of the above makes worst plot ever.

SuperJedi
04-25-2008, 06:19 AM
The writers on this show, are writing stuff wth SO MUCH plot holes. I really hate writer's efforts this season! :(

"I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!" THE WORST ONE



Why can't the writers on this show be more like writers on LOST?

----- Added 8 Minutes later -----

Damn, the Smallville writers are like Amateur writers!!!

STOP dragging the show (senseless) already... ENOUGH!

Time to put the show in High gear and end it with a Bang!!!

Lightning Flash
04-25-2008, 07:03 AM
The plot holes weren't all that bad, I thought the Clark and Jimmy stopping the questioning ones were the worst tho. Clark's back to his obsession over Lana huh.

MarkAllan22
04-25-2008, 07:11 AM
Definitely 'I don't care about Lex! The only thing that matters is Lana!'. Gee Clark, you know he's only close to finding out your secret, and you know he murdered someone just last week to get close to the secret, but don't worry or anything. You'll probably try to fix everything at the last minute and Jor-El will freeze your dumb ass again.:\

oberyn
04-25-2008, 07:35 AM
Definitely 'I don't care about Lex! The only thing that matters is Lana!'. Gee Clark, you know he's only close to finding out your secret, and you know he murdered someone just last week to get close to the secret, but don't worry or anything. You'll probably try to fix everything at the last minute and Jor-El will freeze your dumb ass again.:\


Very well said.

gameface25
04-25-2008, 07:46 AM
I agree with all this. Man what a poorly written and directed episode. I usually NEVER say negative things about Smallville, but damn.

superpal1
04-25-2008, 07:52 AM
Lex and keys. Even with the episode not being great and the other plots holes I wanted to vote for, Clarks statement about Lex was completely ignorant.

evilmadman
04-25-2008, 10:19 AM
Lex in Zurich right after the whole 'red flag' thing. Huh?

i voted for that, as it really was the bit that most confused me, i dont know what that whole scene was about :confused:

the whole 'I don't care about Lex! The only thing that matters is Lana!' thing was lame, but i didnt see it as a plot hole, just a crap idea of the writers so the story could progress to how they want it to be for the season finale.

also, it wasnt just employee benefits in a secured briefcase, that was just the bit he showed her, but she then went on to explain it was a backup of the whole days files which makes a bit more sense being in a secured briefcase!

KrissO
04-25-2008, 12:58 PM
The 'I don't care about Lex! The only thing that matters is Lana!' was indeed ridiculous. But I'm not sure If I see it as a plot hole either. It's Clark afterall... I'm not surprised!
But we'll see the next episode what Clark actually is going to do. Will be very interesting!

I think I have to agree with Minela about the dream sequence idea. This was just too much to be true...

Rimmer66
04-25-2008, 01:27 PM
Dream sequence ? I don't think it is at this stage :D You know maybe the actors themselves see those holes - if I were an actor on the show I would definately raise those points - That episode was directed by TW himself, hmmm, maybe there is some sort of explanation who knows -

in a way CLark was emotional - sometimes when you are angry or stressed you say things - when he said he doesn'T care about Lex can be open to different interpretations - meaning "Lex is not my priority right now"

Picture a BIG piece of cake with those THICK creamy chocolate toppings and nuts, it's sitting on the table, but I have lots of work to do I don't care about the cake I wanna get my work done - sort of - HOw many times in your lives you say stuff but it means something else ?

ClareKent
04-25-2008, 02:10 PM
"Lex in Zurich right after the whole 'red flag' thing. Huh?"

I almost voted for "I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!", but that's Clark, he's a plot hole all himself :lol:

justme_007
04-25-2008, 02:29 PM
I have laughted as you donīt have idea. Please place an option: All the above and more!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please writers why do you do somethink like that???? After Traveler, Veritas and Descent, i was thinking ... this is going to be great ..... And then, I suddenly screamed: Give me back the money of the ticket ... oh wait.... i watched the episode by the internet jajajaja

Russkafin
04-25-2008, 04:02 PM
How about Clark texting Chloe about what he found in the journal, so she has to drive allll the way from the Isis Foundation in Metropolis out to the apartment in Smallville so he can show her, when it would have taken him about two seconds to super-speed out there to meet her?? With the price of gas??? I don't know if that is a plot hole or Clark just being a lazy ass!

Harrison_Bergeron
04-25-2008, 04:13 PM
Stupid stuff like that is prevalent on the show. Like last episode when the woman was hiding at Isis, why couldn't Clark hear her?

NoSupeForYou
04-25-2008, 05:48 PM
"Clark if you really are in trouble on Krypton you better find a way to get there soon, or..."
"I'll have never existed."

WHAT? Does anyone even realize how completely illogical that statement is?

open2freaks
04-25-2008, 05:51 PM
Stupid stuff like that is prevalent on the show. Like last episode when the woman was hiding at Isis, why couldn't Clark hear her?

I think he should heard her moving or something:rotfl:

Bosrudorfer
04-25-2008, 05:56 PM
I agree with your list, especially why Lex was red flagged? How Jimmy knew the problem was fixed before hand?

RJLCyberPunk
04-25-2008, 06:48 PM
Wow I would have loved the option of all of the above but option 6 was the best of them all, good catch LOL!

But keep in mind that people sometimes do contradict themselves especially when they are desperate over something or someone, people do say things that otherwise they would never say...


But there are plotholes to be sure, Gina's voice message from last episode was never heard from again anf yet the guy that offed her apparently reappears in a secured vault somehow and in really sloppy fashion as opposed to the proffesional one that he offed Gina attempts to kill Lex! Lex could not recognize the guy as he had never seen him before in his life which means he is not Veritas, Nor Teague, he is a total new wildcard and given what we have seen it will probably end up in you guessed it another plothole...

stenochick
04-25-2008, 06:50 PM
How about Clark texting Chloe about what he found in the journal, so she has to drive allll the way from the Isis Foundation in Metropolis out to the apartment in Smallville so he can show her, when it would have taken him about two seconds to super-speed out there to meet her?? With the price of gas??? I don't know if that is a plot hole or Clark just being a lazy ass!

lol! I noticed that too. Why can't he go to Chloe?

Harrison_Bergeron
04-25-2008, 06:52 PM
I think he should heard her moving or something:rotfl:

I was thinking more like heartbeat/breathing.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----


"Clark if you really are in trouble on Krypton you better find a way to get there soon, or..."
"I'll have never existed."

WHAT? Does anyone even realize how completely illogical that statement is?

What do you mean? Brainiac is trying to go back in time to kill Kal-El before he leaves Krypton, it is a modified version of a Superman premise that has been used before, usually Brainiac tries to kill Clark Kent in Smallville before he becomes Superman, now he is trying to kill Kal-El before he becomes Clark Kent.

It's time travel it is entertaining because the idea defies logic, it has nothing to do with SV.

NoSupeForYou
04-25-2008, 07:39 PM
I know that time travel is a classic sci-fi plot line, but it's still stupid and lazy writing. I was more impressed that AM could say that line with a straight face. Does it matter how soon he gets back?

Of course, it would have been funny if he said to Chloe that he doesn't need to go because he's still here so Brainiac obviously failed.

borednow
04-26-2008, 12:54 AM
"I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!"

Only thing that couldn't be explained away, or just a result of lazy writing...


Employee benefits in a a locked briefcase? At a party? Late at night? Whaaa?
Not a plot hole... because that wasn't what happened...

Este
04-26-2008, 01:30 AM
How about Clark texting Chloe about what he found in the journal, so she has to drive allll the way from the Isis Foundation in Metropolis out to the apartment in Smallville so he can show her, when it would have taken him about two seconds to super-speed out there to meet her?? With the price of gas??? I don't know if that is a plot hole or Clark just being a lazy ass!

This whole scene was priceless on so many levels :eek:
Starting with Clark putting the kryptonian written journal under Chloe's nose : "You need to read this."
Oh, gee. I'm giving up on Clark's brain.
It's a good thing they at least explained the appearing pages thing later. Otherwise, no more Smallville for me.
And then Chloe : "Can you translate it?"
No, transmission distorted, incomplete... (But Clark wanted Chloe to read it 3 seconds ago.) Clarks looks at the page and, stunned, reads. Right. He needed Chloe to tell him to try to read?!
And then we have : "Save Lana and fortress," and I just want to puke.
But it's not even over. The explanation for Jor-el imprisoning Clark in the forteress is "so he could outlive everyone on earth"!?

I'm... giving... up...:rotfl:

ClLaLeChFAN01
04-26-2008, 05:21 AM
it seems that they rushed this episode and forgot about the small details....its sad cause it could be a lot better

Charissa70
04-26-2008, 11:49 AM
I just hate that the writers/producers/etc. just expect everyone to buy into what they are writing. There are too many inconsistencies. Tired of clark, supposedly a superior being made out to be a stupid whiney guy. Used to watch soaps and saw in interview from a producer who send that soaps have a 'bible' that the writers reference. The 'bible' should everything about the character-past relationships, family, jobs, murders, -you got the idea. If Smallville does have a 'bible' none of these writer are using it. Metropolis is 4 hours away from Smallville, 10 minutes away, 2 hours away. No consisitency. No mention, even in passing about Chloe's dad. Chloe's mom was blond in earlier season, turns out to be wonderwoman. Even the story of Chloe's mom going away changed. AND WHY DO THE POLICE JUST BELIEVE THAT LIONEL JUMPED TO HIS DEATH?

vikingjedi
04-26-2008, 11:58 AM
Definitely 'I don't care about Lex! The only thing that matters is Lana!'. Gee Clark, you know he's only close to finding out your secret, and you know he murdered someone just last week to get close to the secret, but don't worry or anything. You'll probably try to fix everything at the last minute and Jor-El will freeze your dumb ass again.:\

:rotfl:

luthorian
04-26-2008, 12:14 PM
"I don't care about Lex or the keys!"

This made Clark officially my least favorite character on Smallville.

NoSupeForYou
04-26-2008, 12:31 PM
I just hate that the writers/producers/etc. just expect everyone to buy into what they are writing. There are too many inconsistencies. Tired of clark, supposedly a superior being made out to be a stupid whiney guy. Used to watch soaps and saw in interview from a producer who send that soaps have a 'bible' that the writers reference. The 'bible' should everything about the character-past relationships, family, jobs, murders, -you got the idea. If Smallville does have a 'bible' none of these writer are using it. Metropolis is 4 hours away from Smallville, 10 minutes away, 2 hours away. No consisitency. No mention, even in passing about Chloe's dad. Chloe's mom was blond in earlier season, turns out to be wonderwoman. Even the story of Chloe's mom going away changed. AND WHY DO THE POLICE JUST BELIEVE THAT LIONEL JUMPED TO HIS DEATH?

Not only jumped to his death, but jumped out backwards... and left no note. It would take real cops five seconds to note that someone like Lionel would not splatter himself over a street.

They also wouldn't let Lex touch the body and corrupt a potential crime scene.

nk_84
04-26-2008, 06:16 PM
I don't even think I could list all the plot holes in this episode. :lol:

I thought when Clark suspected Jimmy knew his secret he was a bit quick to go down the "I can explain" route. At this rate everyone will know about him by the finale and not just lex before his knock on the head and "i'll wear the pink dress pwwwease mommy" moment (memory swipe).

Kirstycol
04-26-2008, 08:33 PM
There were a couple more plot holes not mentioned.
-Jimmy living with Chloe yet it's actually Lois's apartment... yet where is Lois.'
-Lex beating up the guy who tried to kill him, then walking away without looking through his wallet or killing him or anything. Then later on ordering the man investigated.
-(I think this one was mentioned but it's worth mentioning again.) Clark calling Chloe in from Metropolis to her apartment to get her to read a book he knows she doesn't know how to read, but he can already read, so why would he need her to read it in the first place? AAAnnnnd why didn't he just super speed it over to the Isis foundation instead of makeing her make the trip.
-Chloe getting the crap beaten out of her then in the next scene she barely has a scratch.
-Clark not mentioning anything about what happened to chloe.
-The green arrow... a billionair with high tech gizmoes and highly secure apartments all over the world decides to leave some of his justice league gear in card board boxes at the isis foundation that can apparently be broken into with that silly trinket Jimmey was given by the NSA.
-(This one is a general plot hole) How has Lex not been able to trace lana's computers through his own security system when he has more money, people and technology than her?
-Lana's super secret room in her foundation left wide open all the time...??

You know... I've realized something. This show is not for adults. It had to potential to be for adults but it's really for the 8-14 year old range. And only for kids in that age range that are so hopped up on sugar they don't notice these things.
After realizing that I'm not as pissed about the silly repeat story lines and plot holes. Most YTV shows are like that.

Este
04-26-2008, 09:02 PM
You know... I've realized something. This show is not for adults. It had to potential to be for adults but it's really for the 8-14 year old range. And only for kids in that age range that are so hopped up on sugar they don't notice these things.

Episodes like this one, and this season had a bunch of those, make me wonder by what kind of adults this show is run/written.

DavetheAvatar
04-26-2008, 09:26 PM
I was thinking more like heartbeat/breathing.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----



What do you mean? Brainiac is trying to go back in time to kill Kal-El before he leaves Krypton, it is a modified version of a Superman premise that has been used before, usually Brainiac tries to kill Clark Kent in Smallville before he becomes Superman, now he is trying to kill Kal-El before he becomes Clark Kent.

It's time travel it is entertaining because the idea defies logic, it has nothing to do with SV.

It bothers me that if Brainiac really is in the past then it has already happened so Clark's speed getting there is irrelevant. The second Brainiac and Kara went through the portal the whole future should have changed. The fact that is hasn't should prove that Clark stops him at some point...which is impossible since Brainiac was already there in the past so he can change time before Clark should even know about it...I love time travel...

Also, don't even get me started on the page coming out of nowhere... IF THE PAST HAS BEEN CHANGED, THEN THE PAGE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THERE! Clark shouldn't be able to tell the page has been added. You can't go back in time and tack things onto the present, you just can't. It doesn't make sense in terms of physics, it doesn't make any kind of logical sense, heck it doesn't even make sense in science fiction time travel terms!

Kirstycol
04-26-2008, 09:54 PM
It bothers me that if Brainiac really is in the past then it has already happened so Clark's speed getting there is irrelevant. The second Brainiac and Kara went through the portal the whole future should have changed. The fact that is hasn't should prove that Clark stops him at some point...which is impossible since Brainiac was already there in the past so he can change time before Clark should even know about it...I love time travel...

Also, don't even get me started on the page coming out of nowhere... IF THE PAST HAS BEEN CHANGED, THEN THE PAGE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THERE! Clark shouldn't be able to tell the page has been added. You can't go back in time and tack things onto the present, you just can't. It doesn't make sense in terms of physics, it doesn't make any kind of logical sense, heck it doesn't even make sense in science fiction time travel terms!

If they actually expect us to buy that this episode after all the forementioned plot holes you can't expect them to keep up with the intracasies of time travel paradoxes.

Here's my prediction of how the next episode it going to go. Chloe trys to convince clark to go to krypton (ignoring all of the time paradoxes) Clark begins to whine and feel sorry for himself saying. "Maybe the world would be better off if I was never born or if I never came here." Then something happens, most likely Jo-el shows him what the world would be like without him. He realizes that it would be worse without him and decides to go to krypton. Then suddenly Kara is back, thus eliminating the need for him to try and fly. She's defeated the Brainiac in the past thus restoring Lana, but not erasing the time the Brainiac came to smallville to release Zod and get Lex possessed.
$10 bucks says I'm right.

DavetheAvatar
04-26-2008, 10:00 PM
If they actually expect us to buy that this episode after all the forementioned plot holes you can't expect them to keep up with the intracasies of time travel paradoxes.

Here's my prediction of how the next episode it going to go. Chloe trys to convince clark to go to krypton (ignoring all of the time paradoxes) Clark begins to whine and feel sorry for himself saying. "Maybe the world would be better off if I was never born or if I never came here." Then something happens, most likely Jo-el shows him what the world would be like without him. He realizes that it would be worse without him and decides to go to krypton. Then suddenly Kara is back. She's defeated the Brainiac in the past thus restoring Lana, but not erasing the time the Brainiac came to smallville to release Zod and get Lex possessed.
$10 bucks says I'm right.

Hmm...Chloe tries to convince Clark about something, Clark whines and feels sorry for himself, Jor-El does something unhelpful, the laws of physics are ignored, a character recovers from a supposedly irreversible condition and the entire series continues as if it never happened...that could be ANY episode.

Kirstycol
04-26-2008, 10:09 PM
can't... stop.... laughing! haha

Kyogre
04-27-2008, 01:03 AM
Worst episode in the history of smallville it beats that one with the baby that ages really fast :rotfl:

dwgebler
04-27-2008, 07:45 AM
Most of these "plot holes" are either perfectly explainable or something I assume you were just supposed to fill in with your imagination.

Lex helps Jimmy, Jimmy knows about it before hand. Huh?

This one is probably the closest of all those you mentioned to actually being what I would call a plot-hole. There could have been off-screen dialogue between Lex and Jimmy, but their on-screen bit suggests that to be unlikely. It may be that Jimmy simply reassured Chloe before he'd actually done anything and went to Lex after.

No explanation for Lex being red flagged by the government.

I'm guessing someone is still helping Clark, presumably the same person (or at least linked to) who killed Gina.

Lex in Zurich right after the whole 'red flag' thing. Huh?

He told his aide to "aim higher" - I'm guessing it eventually worked.

Chloe knows a bit too much about the Law's of physics.

Not sure about this one.

Employee benefits in a a locked briefcase? At a party? Late at night? Whaaa?

Not an unrealistic scenario in a reasonably large corporation. I've known companies to do backups of this and that at midnight - and yes, carry them off in a locked briefcase. It does happen in the real world.

"I won't let Lex hurt anybody else!" "I don't care about Lex or the keys!"

Not a plot-hole; Clark was simply in a different emotional state during each line - after the latter, he had just been with Lana and this has likely provoked anguish that makes Lex and the keys seem to pale in comparison, even if only temporarily.

Government agent relies on Jimmy to catch a "terrorist" than just gives up because Lex said so?

Unresolved, but not really a plot hole. Lex is a powerful man with many connections in government.

NoSupeForYou
04-27-2008, 07:46 AM
I wonder if the Terminator people are going to be ticked off that their entire plot has been ripped off by Smallville. Does Brainiac send Ahnold back to kill baby Kal-el? Why not just go back hundreds of years and kill off Clark's ancestors, or why not travel back in time hundreds of times so that Clark has to face several hundred versions of you at the same time? Time travel is a sign of bad writing because it is rarelly done well or sensibly. The only one I've seen do it well was SG-1 and that was the episode where they essentially ripped off Groundhog Day.

I understand if they wanted an episode where they show Clark what the world would be like without him, but they didn't need to come up with such a stupid plot to do it.

Kirstycol
04-27-2008, 09:18 AM
They cancelled Angel after 5 seasons... but just renewed Smallville for an 8th season... WTF!
I wonder what Rosenbaum is going to be doing after smallville. I's still watch anything he is in.

Welling_is_pretty
04-27-2008, 12:26 PM
There should have been an "all of the above" option or that thing where you can pick multiple ones would have worked too.

I know that Smallville is legendary for it's plotholes and inconsistancies but this episode takes the cake!

NoSupeForYou
04-27-2008, 01:33 PM
The biggest problem with the plot of Smallville has always been that Clark Kent needed encouragement to become Superman. They should have left the regret and angst to Spider-man. Before Smallville I don't recall anything where it was such a difficult decision for Clark to become Superman. Yes, at times he has given up his powers, like in Superman II, but that was later in his life and proved disastrous. Superman always chose to help simply because he could and because it was the right thing to do.

What made all the superheroes, from Spider-man to Batman to Superman was that each had different motives for becoming what he became. I hate the way that Clark has been portrayed over the season by Al/Miles.

xrayvision
04-27-2008, 09:28 PM
I hated what they did with Clark again. This was just another "2 steps back" episode for Clark.

I didn't like what they did with the FOS. It's not supposed to be a transmission station where signals from the past are received. Where the hell is Jor-El?

Also, Kara flying to Krypton is not possible. The red sun without Krypton's atmosphere would kill her. She has no powers under a red sun. She would explode in space like a human would. Ridiculous.

NoSupeForYou
04-28-2008, 05:32 PM
Speaking of plot hole, does Lex look like someone you would vote for to be President? If some guy came out looking like Dr. Evil with one black glove on all the time I wouldn't even bother listening to any of his proposals. Well there might be a few, but I doubt Lex would be a guy to shrink the government. He likes power way too much. He must have run one hell of a campaign... or he dropped all his opponents into the phantom zone, like Zod in Last Son of Krypton.

Hopefulsuicide
04-28-2008, 06:22 PM
i just don't understand Clark... he's definately got the attention span of a goldfish

the whole of Descent he was focused on Lex, on not letting Lex get away with Lionel's murder and on not letting him get to the box... and then all of a sudden it doesnt matter? only Lana matters? it just made no sense whatsoever... not even a mention of Lionel, unless you count Lex's 'family' speech to Jimmy...

xrayvision
04-28-2008, 06:50 PM
Speaking of plot hole, does Lex look like someone you would vote for to be President? If some guy came out looking like Dr. Evil with one black glove on all the time I wouldn't even bother listening to any of his proposals. Well there might be a few, but I doubt Lex would be a guy to shrink the government. He likes power way too much. He must have run one hell of a campaign... or he dropped all his opponents into the phantom zone, like Zod in Last Son of Krypton.

This is something that is definitely being addressed in my season 7 fanfics. I seriously suggest they set something up like I am, but it's too late for them since MR is leaving.

Kirstycol
04-28-2008, 07:36 PM
Speaking of plot hole, does Lex look like someone you would vote for to be President? If some guy came out looking like Dr. Evil with one black glove on all the time I wouldn't even bother listening to any of his proposals. Well there might be a few, but I doubt Lex would be a guy to shrink the government. He likes power way too much. He must have run one hell of a campaign... or he dropped all his opponents into the phantom zone, like Zod in Last Son of Krypton.

You forget, Lex is extreemly charming. If his charm and fake charities don't convince people he'll just rig the election. Lex doesn't care if it's honest, just as long as he gets what he wants.

HowardFilms
04-28-2008, 08:45 PM
Chloe about to tell Clark's secret?

Chloe: Alright, well I'm about to get arrested, so I might as well betray Clark before I'm offscreen for a few episodes.

Harrison_Bergeron
04-28-2008, 09:29 PM
What makes you think she was going to tell Clark's secret? That had little to do with the Fed's interest in her. She was going to give up her involvement in the JL. Telling him that she worked for Green Arrow's band of gifted individuals that bend the law to take down Lex would hurt no one.

Kirstycol
04-28-2008, 09:40 PM
What makes you think she was going to tell Clark's secret? That had little to do with the Fed's interest in her. She was going to give up her involvement in the JL. Telling him that she worked for Green Arrow's band of gifted individuals that bend the law to take down Lex would hurt no one.

Because she was hacking into government satellites to look for Ionic displacement that happened to be 2 aliens flying back in time to another planet. One that happens to be related to clark meaning he's an alien....Make sense now? In order to explain one part she'd have to explain the other parts... Which would lead to her exposing Clarks secret.

----- Added 36 Minutes later -----

Another plot hole I noticed, that actually wasn't part of this episode but I couldn't remember which episode it was. After Lana has sex with bizarro and clark finds out they decide to take a "break" (tries to hold back vomit) Lana decides to stay with Chloe... In Zod the dorm from the university (that no one ever goes to anymore) was destroyed so Chloe had to stay with Lois, on her sofa. Now chloe has her own bed and Jimmy lives there but Lois is never around. But... Lana is staying with chloe... so now there are 4 people living there when ther is barely enough room for 2 people. (even though Lana is now in a hospital... AGAIN) However why didn't she just get her own place.. she stole 10 million dollars from Lex.. She couldn't afford to buy a litte apartment in the city or stay in the back room of the isis foundation. And don't tell me it's cause she spent the 10 mil....
This is kind of fun... finding all the inconsistancies. It's better than torturing myself with the hope this show will actually get better.

migo
04-29-2008, 02:35 AM
Jimmy is James Bond... since when???

savannah
04-29-2008, 04:41 PM
i thought that this epi would be good but it was a dissapointment i do hope next one is better

SGuthrie27
02-08-2009, 02:45 PM
My goodness... I'd forgotten that there were so many plotholes in this episode! You'd have thought the editors would have rewatched it a little more closely to ensure that all the plot elements fit together nicely. Because of those couple of scenes getting deleted, we really didn't get any explanation as to how Lex got to Zurich. Weird. And Clark's talking out of both sides of his head... again. Nice... :P

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Clana Kent
04-29-2009, 11:23 AM
Lex in Zurich right after the whole 'red flag' thing. Huh?

This plothole was explained in a deleted scene. Lex blackmailed that FBI-woman so he could leave the country.

Simba_Muffy
06-29-2011, 03:45 AM
Clark's flip flopping.