Anyone else feel a mind-wipe IS coming...

[Ardiem3]

After tonights episode, and the preview for next week, I think Lex should know that Clark is the Traveler, and by process of elimination, put the pieces together that hes Superman later on. I feel, when Lex goes to the Fortress, Jor-El may do something to him, to erase any connection of memories that Clark is the Traveler. Not erase all of his memories, but just the juicy stuff ;) What do you guys think?

[minerva73]

Depends on if Lex finds out. He may get swept away as he goes to the Fortress and then doesn't lose his memory, but still doesn't know that Clark is the Traveler. :D

[4Clana]

I'm wondering how he gets to the FOS. I thought you needed a key to go through the cave thing. Does Lex steal it?

[C Redfield]

The Fortress is still in the North Pole. You can fly there. Jor El made the portal because Clark is a BDA.

[AlwaysRight]

not saying mind sweeping will happen but i can see logical ways to do it to both lana and lex.

Lana can be effected by Brainiac's thing, while something can happen to lex in the FOS

[4Clana]

The Fortress is still in the North Pole. You can fly there. Jor El made the portal because Clark is a BDA.
He can fly there but it's a big place and also Lex knowing where it is, is a huge disadvantage for future Clark. It's better Lex goes through the cave porthole because then at least you can destroy that porthole somehow later when Clark can fly.

[SteveS]

yes

[jimmyolsenblues]

please do not say mind wipe or clone or , it just makes it cheap.
I loved this episode, let me revel in it for awhile.

[Ardiem3]

please do not say mind wipe or clone or , it just makes it cheap.
I loved this episode, let me revel in it for awhile.

I love this episode too, probably the best, and i was just speculating over the next couple of episodes. How else do you think it may go down, because I dont want a mind-wipe either, but Lex and eveveryone else, already know too much about Clark.

[minerva73]

not saying mind sweeping will happen but i can see logical ways to do it to both lana and lex.

Lana can be effected by Brainiac's thing, while something can happen to lex in the FOS

:confused: What role do Lana and Brainiac play in Lex finding the Fortress?

[superspider02]

Well if he does get into the fos hopefully jorel has some safetys on and either freezes him or as u said give him a partial mind wipe.

[AlwaysRight]

:confused: What role to Lana and Brainiac play in Lex finding the Fortress?

no they both seperate incidents if you want to find a way to mindsweep either

[Lexgirl33]

Lex visits the FOS in the comics am I wrong? I don't think he will find out Clark is the traveler because Jor-El calls him Kal-El so he will just know about the traveler in detail. At least I hope thats the case. No more mind wipes, I can't take anymore lol

[papercrow27]

i think a mind wipe is coming. clues are...numerous. it could be a tidy explanation as to why...
1) no one will recognize clark (especially lex) as superman in the future.
2) continuity with lionel; ie - there's never been a lionel luthor in the comics, but there was some foreshadowing ("no one will even remember your name")
3) chloe. she's not part of continuity either, but here's to hoping the universe realigns and she becomes lois and lois is erased.

that's all i got.

[Lexgirl33]

Just because Lex goes to the FoS doesn't mean he finds out its Clark. I really don't think there will be a mind wipe.

Smallville is not completely based on the comics. Its basically its "own" version of the superman mythology so they can add characters if they want you know? Smallville is just adding to the superman mythology that already exists.

[kszonew]

Perhaps in this version of the Superman universe Lex does sort of know who Superman is, but doesn't say because he doesn't have any real proof. Or else sees his knowing as power and doesn't want anyone else to possess that knowledge. If I was a super villian and knew who my arch rival really was, why would I let the world (and minor crooks) know that? It would just give them an advantage over me. That sounds like something Smallville's Lex would think up.

Also, keep in mind that Smallville is just an origins story and a take on the pre-Superman saga, not an actual prelude to the movies and/or comics. Personally, I like that because it means that characters like Chloe and Lionel CAN have a future legacy in the story's ending. Lionel can be remembered in some form and Chloe need not die or perish and be forgotten.

[LexLuv180]

Mindswipes are the ultimate slaps in the face to the viewer who sits there for years watching a story unfold. They're the ultimate cop-out and lazy writing signature. We've had too much of that already cheapening this show. If they use that instead of writing their way out of a clever plot they've had us follow, I will be seriously po'ed.

[susangail]

Yeah, I'm wondering how they'll do it. The Jor-El AI might already detect that Lionel is dead because it's out of contact with him. Perhaps the AI has surmised how dangerous Lex is from his Zod period and any mind-leakage from Lionel. It's not a given that the Fortress would lead back to Clark, but Lex would probably hook it up the Traveler.

The way to Clark would be backwards into the caves, I think.

[Kevin24]

I think a mind wipe is coming. I don't see it as a bad thing either. We are just guessing....who knows what will happen

[Billy Jor-El]

Too cheap a cop-out. I'd rather see Lex, who is already King of the Whackos, just be so overwhelmed by what he finds that he is driven further into delusion and madness. Never mind what he sees, no one can believe this murderous madman anyway...

[TECHWON]

its a cheap cop out but i doubt lex will put it all together look how long it took lana and let alone chloe to put it together

[Kirstycol]

The title of this thread was so funny I just had to respond. I absolutley know what you mean. It seems like every single time Lex gets close to figureing out Clarks secret, or when he actually does find out there is some kind of convienant memory whipe or amnesia of some kind. It's sooooo insulting to the audiances intelligence and really really lame. However, this is Michael Rosenbaums last season on Smallville. They have to let him find out before the season is over or he'll never find out. And I think if Lex never finds out Clarks secret all the fans will be extreemly pissed off. It would be such a rip off. I don't think his memory will get whiped this time.

[Ardiem3]

The title of this thread was so funny I just had to respond. I absolutley know what you mean. It seems like every single time Lex gets close to figureing out Clarks secret, or when he actually does find out there is some kind of convienant memory whipe or amnesia of some kind. It's sooooo insulting to the audiances intelligence and really really lame. However, this is Michael Rosenbaums last season on Smallville. They have to let him find out before the season is over or he'll never find out. And I think if Lex never finds out Clarks secret all the fans will be extreemly pissed off. It would be such a rip off. I don't think his memory will get whiped this time.

As I believe that Lex may find out, or may not, I personally want him to, this isnt his last season. He'll be back for 11-18 episodes in Season 8, as reported by TV Guide.

[Iritscen]

...You guys who think Lex will find out Clark's secret seem to be forgetting that Superman and Lex are going to be duking it out in Metropolis for years to come, and it's a big problem for Supes if his identity is blown.

And yes, I was feeling the same way about an imminent mind-wipe, even though I sure hope that's not the answer.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I'm suspecting that Jor-El is one of the few smart people/ai who can throw Lex of the scent or come up with a lie that even lex wont suspect.

[LoveHurts38]

Some way or another if he does find out he will forget somehow ...Even in the Superman movies Lex does not know Clark is Superman like Lois.

[dunkman]

I don't think a mind-wipe is coming, & I think somehow they will distract/deceive Lex & he won't figure out the truth about Clark. Maybe he'll stop being suspicious of Clark when Clark becomes the "White & Nerdy" reporter. On the other hand, it wouldn't necessarily ruin it if Lex knows who Superman is & just doesn't tell anybody. Ra's Al Ghul knows Batman's secret identity, you know?

[vikingjedi]

Mindswipes are the ultimate slaps in the face to the viewer who sits there for years watching a story unfold. They're the ultimate cop-out and lazy writing signature. We've had too much of that already cheapening this show. If they use that instead of writing their way out of a clever plot they've had us follow, I will be seriously po'ed.

You're probably going to be po'ed then because the writers havent given themselves a way out of this besides amnesia. Its been the theme of the whole series and Im pretty sure Clark is going to have to choose to stay in Smallville and lead a normal life or use the FOS to erase everybody's memories of him and become Superman

[Kevin24]

Is there any other way for them not to recognize him other than a mind wipe?

Lois knows what he looks like, Lex does, Jimmy does, Perry White does. Green Arrow, Aquaman, Impulse, Cyborg....I don't even think superheros or villains know that superman and Clark kent are one in the same except Batman.....Everyone who knows him in smallville and metropolis knows what he looks like.

What else can they do to have nobody recognize that Clark Kent is Superman? I'm not clever enough to come up with a good possible explanation to have nobody know he is superman.

[Theshadow129x]

yeah im tired of all the mind-wipes too. i think if they mind wipe lex then they will detroy a really good chance at telling a great story. personally i think they should run with whatever they got. mind wipes are like reboots in terms of comics - they write themselves in corner so they can say that nothing ever happened.

[Cromartiefan]

just how many mind-wipes/amnesia-inducing bouts of unconsciousness have there been in SV so far? I know there have been a lot (and I mean a LOT) but it would be interesting to see a list.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way out of this without a mind-wipe, but fortunately having Brainiac introduces a plausible way for it to occur.

[CarkKlent]

I think that Lex may be killed at the fortress. I read where he and Lana will not return to the series next year. I worry about Smallville next year. The loss of the older actors, which started when John Schneider was killed off, than his "wife" was written out, and now Lionel! They added a richness and family texture to the series which has now lost a lot of it's core appeal for me. I have been devoted and loyal to the series since day 1, as most of you all have probably been also.

[psyko69]

A mind wipe isn't necessary. Lex can still know Clark's secret. Smallville is an AU, it doesn't need to align with anything. Lana knows Clark's secret in the future, Lex always captures Lois, and guys like Spiderman have tons of enemies who know their secret. There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER Lex couldn't find out.

Knowing your nemesis' secret is the ultimate p!ssing contest. You wouldn't give up your stellar aim by revealing the secret of your success to the world. As long as Lex has an advantage by keeping Clark's secret he would never give that up.

In NO WAY is a mind wipe necessary, and I REALLY don't think that is gonna happen any more. The writing this season is top notch, the use of crappy plot devices is done.

[Kevin24]

Maybe Lex won't find out about Clark at all?

[stenochick]

If Clark would just include a mask as part of his Superman costume then it would conceal his identity from people like Lois who don't know anything about Clark's powers.

For someone like Lex, who is on the verge of discovering that Clark is the traveler, Clark will need more than a mask. I think Lex will know in his gut that Clark is Superman but will always be lacking that one piece of definitive proof so he will keep his theory to himself.

Maybe people in Smallville will think Lex is crazy when he starts taling about a giant ice fortress on the North Pole, aliens, super-powers, etc.

[Kevin24]

If Clark would just include a mask as part of his Superman costume then it would conceal his identity from people like Lois who don't know anything about Clark's powers.

For someone like Lex, who is on the verge of discovering that Clark is the traveler, Clark will need more than a mask. I think Lex will know in his gut that Clark is Superman but will always be lacking that one piece of definitive proof so he will keep his theory to himself.

Maybe people in Smallville will think Lex is crazy when he starts taling about a giant ice fortress on the North Pole, aliens, super-powers, etc.

How about as Superman Clark just puts on glasses? that should throw everyone off because Clark Kent doesn't wear glasses!!:rotfl:

[Iritscen]

How about as Superman Clark just puts on glasses? that should throw everyone off because Clark Kent doesn't wear glasses!!:rotfl:

LOL. That's the funniest post I've read here in a while. Sadly true but funny.

[stenochick]

"How about as Superman Clark just puts on glasses? that should throw everyone off because Clark Kent doesn't wear glasses!!:rotfl:

lol! they will have to be the kind that stay on when you are flying and running really fast.
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[berniepooh]

I think a Jor El mind sweep is coming...but not until next season. I have a feeling it will occur in the first epi for season 8

[CKWannabe]

I'm torn here. Part of me wants this whole Veritas/ Lex learning everything to just keep on comin'...and then there's this other part of me that wants SV to fit all nice & neat with the Superman movies. But at this point...is that even possible?

[Dor el]

You're probably going to be po'ed then because the writers havent given themselves a way out of this besides amnesia. Its been the theme of the whole series and Im pretty sure Clark is going to have to choose to stay in Smallville and lead a normal life or use the FOS to erase everybody's memories of him and become Superman

Are we sure there isn't another way out of this? Although a mind swipe doesn't offend me, I hope that the writers can come up with something original. I still say that one possibility relates to the fact that Lex knows about BizarroClark and he knows that Biz and CK look the same but are two entirely different individuals. Why can Lex not believe that Biz is Superman. Just after an attitude adjustment of some sort. There must be other ways for Lex to avoid a mind swipe after he finds out all that he's been searching for. What sorts of things can the powerful minds on this site come up with?

[DreadShamus]

You're probably going to be po'ed then because the writers havent given themselves a way out of this besides amnesia. Its been the theme of the whole series and Im pretty sure Clark is going to have to choose to stay in Smallville and lead a normal life or use the FOS to erase everybody's memories of him and become Superman

He needs to use the FOS to get rid of all the Kryptonite pilled up everywhere. The ship he came to earth in managed to neutralize some to save him before. Obviously you can't get rid of it all, but at this point there is just too much of it available for anyone to use.

[Dor el]

Unfortunately, I don't see any way out of this without a mind-wipe, but fortunately having Brainiac introduces a plausible way for it to occur.

Yes, since Brainiac can shape shift, perhaps Lex can see Brainiac and Kara at the FOS. Brainiac could just impersonate Clark and Lex could witness this, yet a third person who looks like Clark Kent. Why not just confuse the heck out of Lex? It's clear his mind is fragile. I don't intend to speculate, just trying to help explain a way out of this perceived predicament and avoid a mind swipe. There has to be a way. Maybe it's time to pull out the Blue K or in another way somehow "humanize" Clark in such a way that Lex has to accept the fact that CK in human and not the Traveler. Does Lex know that the traveler is an alien? Does he even know what is mean by the traveler? Does he even know what he is searching for? Obscure the insight for Lex.:)

[MixTKO]

Maybe he'll end up seeing Kara at the FOS and assume she's the traveler. Lex would think that Lionel was in cahoots with Clark about Kara. Kara's bracelet has the kryptonian letters on it. It's one wat to go with it

[Yasise]

Are we sure there isn't another way out of this? Although a mind swipe doesn't offend me, I hope that the writers can come up with something original. I still say that one possibility relates to the fact that Lex knows about BizarroClark and he knows that Biz and CK look the same but are two entirely different individuals. Why can Lex not believe that Biz is Superman. Just after an attitude adjustment of some sort. There must be other ways for Lex to avoid a mind swipe after he finds out all that he's been searching for. What sorts of things can the powerful minds on this site come up with?


Yes, since Brainiac can shape shift, perhaps Lex can see Brainiac and Kara at the FOS. Brainiac could just impersonate Clark and Lex could witness this, yet a third person who looks like Clark Kent. Why not just confuse the heck out of Lex? It's clear his mind is fragile. I don't intend to speculate, just trying to help explain a way out of this perceived predicament and avoid a mind swipe. There has to be a way. Maybe it's time to pull out the Blue K or in another way somehow "humanize" Clark in such a way that Lex has to accept the fact that CK in human and not the Traveler. Does Lex know that the traveler is an alien? Does he even know what is mean by the traveler? Does he even know what he is searching for? Obscure the insight for Lex.:)

wow, interesting theories and each of them very possible. Why not?

I've another little one: Lex finds out how to control the traveler and therefore about the FOS (where it is and how to get there) after he opens the box in Zurich. Maybe there is even something like a portal key in that box, which brings you to the FOS, whenever you touch it, ot something like that.
So that would be how Lex is able to get to the FOS, maybe.
I think, the only way to be able to control Clark, might be something in the FOS or the FOS itself.


And then one of your theories might be happen and no mind-wipe will be necessary at all.:D

[SteveS]

However you cut it, Lex, should he enter the FOS, will not remember it permanently. If they are going to correlate to the movies, then in Superman Returns, it seemed like it was a first time visit to Lex. Be that as it may, the Jor-el entity, whatever it is, that has successfully imprisoned ClarkMan and stripped Kara of her powers is not going to let a mere Lex Luthor know and have access to ClarkMan's fortress refuge.

At the end of the episode, or series, Lex will not know where, what, when or how about the Fortress of Solitude, otherwise the name will be changed to Fortress of Semi-Solitude and Lex's Visitation(s). Unlikely.

[Dor el]

However you cut it, Lex, should he enter the FOS, will not remember it permanently. If they are going to correlate to the movies, then in Superman Returns, it seemed like it was a first time visit to Lex. Be that as it may, the Jor-el entity, whatever it is, that has successfully imprisoned ClarkMan and stripped Kara of her powers is not going to let a mere Lex Luthor know and have access to ClarkMan's fortress refuge.

At the end of the episode, or series, Lex will not know where, what, when or how about the Fortress of Solitude, otherwise the name will be changed to Fortress of Semi-Solitude and Lex's Visitation(s). Unlikely.

A stunningly simple analysis. You're right.