In memory of Lionel "The MB" Luthor

[superhippie2000]

I am posting this in the canadian forum for now since you guys get the episode tonight.


Please post your thoughts on the death and any words you would like to say about the beloved character.

[miks]

I felt his dying was horrible, and I haven't even seen it. It just seems like he was desperate in his last episodes and I didn't like that. But he will be missed.

[dimas]

It was sad.....

[Black Man of Steel]

Beloved character?? Who do you speak of??

MB will always be remember though. I guess we'll be seeing him in flashbacks or something since he was signed on for season 8 which is sorta weird now... I really hate flashbacks.

[ChlarkMe]

Is anyone ever really gone? Even Jonathan had a guest appreaence after his death. Heck they could pull the old clone thing like they did with Lana next season. Who knows.

If Lionel is really dead I would be dissapointed in Lionel if he didn't haunt the heck out of Lex.

[petitemimi]

If Lionel is really dead I would be dissapointed in Lionel if he didn't haunt the heck out of Lex.

Now, that's a good idea: Lionel haunting Lex! :lol:

Lionel was a great and important character throughout the series. I mean, we need baddies in a show and he was a great one. Lionel was part of great storylines and John Glover really owned that character.

[dimas]

Is anyone ever really gone? Even Jonathan had a guest appreaence after his death. Heck they could pull the old clone thing like they did with Lana next season. Who knows.

If Lionel is really dead I would be dissapointed in Lionel if he didn't haunt the heck out of Lex.

They aren't doing another clone thing...

[jazel]

indifferent, did Lionel kill his parents ?
Lex better NOT have any kids, crappy family tradition.:lol:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Very sad. :(

He made have been a bad guy once but all that changed and he did protect Clark. He died protecting Clark but he will also be missed as a great actor

[psyko69]

I'm not glad he is dead, but at the same time, he needed to go, at Lex's hand, and it happened well. It was a good send off. While it might be sad to see him go, it was a grand exit and I can't really say the death is horribly crushing. It was time.

R.I.P. Lionel Luthor

[ChlarkMe]

They aren't doing another clone thing...

I hope not. The point was really that it's fiction and they can write anything so you never know what they are going to do or who's going to stay dead long term.

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Now, that's a good idea: Lionel haunting Lex! :lol:

.....


Lex is delusional so it fits. :D

[oldblackmagick]

not delusional...just eccentric...at least that's what his dad said that rich people do. They never go crazy...they just turn eccentric. I wanna watch him wearing hair pieces now...it would be fun:p

[Alexander III]

R.I.P. You will be missed. *sob* geez...

[ChlarkMe]

not delusional...just eccentric...at least that's what his dad said that rich people do. They never go crazy...they just turn eccentric. I wanna watch him wearing hair pieces now...it would be fun:p

Good point. :)

He could dress up in Lana's clothes, put on Lois lipstick from Crimson. Could be interesting??? :lol::rotfl:

[BWOracle]

We lose both a great character and a great actor. IMO maybe the most complex character on the show (maybe even more than Lex).

[Twitch]

I'm going to miss the original MB. :(

JG's amazing acting will also be missed.

[vezz801]

we saw lex killing him all the way back snce season one. we knew it would happen one day. We will miss JG as Lionel, but yes, he could come back in flashbacks, or Brainaic (see Oracle) or he could haunt lex, there's so many possibilities. before descent aired, i thought that chloe would heal lionel. good thing she didn't or i would have missed chloe so much i would burn the set of smallville then feel guilty, buliding it back up again.... SOOO off topic.

R.I.P Lionel Luthor...

[jazel]

Lionel's death, "seemed" like an unnecessary evil. We ALL know Lex, is touched in the head. Currently, I'm comparing him to the Mendez brothers.:(

[kentfamily]

^^^ Did you mean the Melendez brothers?

[red_sun1938]

Sad. The MB will be greatly missed.

[Sweetie]

I'm very sad about it.He was one of the best & solid characters of the show.I'm going to miss the guy alot.RIP :(

[jalenrose]

LOL i thought it was funny lmao go Lex

[AngelaV]

Couldn't believe Lex finally did it. How many times have they tried to kill each other? :)

[minerva73]

Sad. Very sad. He had so much to do before he was murdered. I hope that he has a lot of flashbacks explaining some Veritas information.

[elway]

Seems like that was the last scene left out a last week, Not to strong a death scene for me

[David Hasselhoff]

RIP Lionel. You will always be one of my favorite hot TV dads

[Superman's Princess]

Sad. :( I'm gonna miss Lionel. He's was a great character.

[spideyfan]

Very sad. I liked the MB scenes and wisdom.

[superhippie2000]

very very sad. he will be missed.

[kszonew]

I'll miss Lionel and Glover, but we should be lucky he lasted this long. He started out a guest star, and become a regular character in season 2. It's the end half of season 7 and he'll still be in the opening credits (I presume) until 7020. He lasted 7 years. Did anyone honestly think he would last that long? Still, I'll miss him and the mature aspect he brought to the show. Now it's just the kids, well not kids, but young adults.

[TheOriginalKal-el]

I'll miss Lionel and Glover, but we should be lucky he lasted this long. He started out a guest star, and become a regular character in season 2. It's the end half of season 7 and he'll still be in the opening credits (I presume) until 7020. He lasted 7 years. Did anyone honestly think he would last that long? Still, I'll miss him and the mature aspect he brought to the show. Now it's just the kids, well not kids, but young adults.

Perfectly said. I completely agree. RIP Lionel and thank you JG for the memories.

[ZODisGOD]

really sad. damn you lex.
RIP Lionel

[meteor_phreak]

The king is dead. Long live the king!

[4Clana]

very much missed! RIP Lionel

[mistaguitarmasta]

It's both saddening and appropriate that JG gave his best performance on Smallville in "Veritas" and was killed in the very next episode. JG's contract extends through S8, so hopefully he will be kept around.

[Markd329]

I always knew that Lionel would die at the hands of his son. it just proves the old saying "What comes around, goes around" since the MB offed his parents.

Now Lex is EVIL to the max!

[jimmyolsenblues]

that is how great an actor john glover really was.
he was a murderer, he killed his own parents.
he tried to make amends for his sins.
but i still miss him.
what a loss for smallville .

[Odysseus]

Is anyone ever really gone? Even Jonathan had a guest appreaence after his death. Heck they could pull the old clone thing like they did with Lana next season. Who knows.

If Lionel is really dead I would be dissapointed in Lionel if he didn't haunt the heck out of Lex.

I'm pretty sure he will guest-star in Season 8. Not as flashbacks, but in the same way Lillian did in "Lexmas" and "Void" sort of. As a phantom telling Lex how evil he is, and how there is blood on his hands.


And yes, I am saddened by the MB's murder. He truly was a magnificent character. Let's remember Lionel was a MAJOR part of what made Season 3 great. He better make some guest appearances next season.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i know they bring people bad. but lionel is dead, i know there could be dream sequences or alternative time lines, but dude he is dead.

[SeaNymph]

I'm sad. I didn't think I would be. :(

[smallvillelogan]

It's both saddening and appropriate that JG gave his best performance on Smallville in "Veritas" and was killed in the very next episode. JG's contract extends through S8, so hopefully he will be kept around.

So true. He acted superbly in 'Veritas.' You're right, it's only fitting. He acted the scene with Chloe in 'Veritas' so well, I really did get freaked out in his plea to her, especially when he grabbed her. "What's coming is so terrible." I will not forget that soon. Great delivery by Glover.

[Keymaster]

I will definately miss Lionel. John Glover is definately an incredible actor. I'm not sure Lionel's character is that dynamic with someone else playing him.

Let us also not forget that Lionel was a vessel for Jorel, therefore nothing is imposible. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I was really expecting Clark to look down into the "open" grave and scan it with his X-ray vision and not see a body in the box. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Jorel didn't pick someone else as a vessel.

With such a powerful and talented actor off the show (for the most part) everyone is gonna have to step their game up. John was one of those actors that brought everyone up to his level in a scene, so let's hope for great things from Michael and Tom.

RIP Lionel

[warriorrenegade]

Yeah I'll miss the character. The depths of him were only scratched upon, shame he couldn't put up more of a fight. Though I'll miss John Glover even more. Have fun in your next endeavour and If by any chance you read these forums, say Hi we'd all love to chat with you.

[KalEl's Destiny]

Horrible. The man died in vain and will never be able to rest in peace because he died in the hands of his own son. What a despicable action.

Also can't help to think that he was trying to help save Clark the whole time, and he ends up losing his life over it. It wasn't the first time for this to happen of course, but the way he was killed...dang.

[Imzadia]

I am Sad, Sad. I actually cried when Clark sprinkled the dirt on Lionel's grave just as he did on his own father's grave. I LOVED John Glover's character, Lionel. He Was the epitome of a MB when he was connivingly evil. I remember all the criticism when he was in prison and looking for a 'way out' and was accidentally conformed while hi-jacking Clark's body. He had been dying and was healed and had no memory of how that happened. He was grateful, yet so many wanted him to shrug it off as a fluke and cling to being evil. Healing is a Life-Changing experience, and it shouldn't be something so easily dismissed. I think that the writers really did justice to JG's character, giving him a Broad Stroke on the canvas of Smallville.

He did revert for a time. It was his nature. However, it became too much of a conflict when he was downloaded with Jor-El's mission for Clark's Destiny, though. He was like "Angel", who could not undo all the evil he had committed, but after having been given the opportunity to really look at himself in the mirror and see the evil within his former self, and was remorseful, it gave him a 'Second Chance'. I happen to believe in Redemption. Although, Lionel kept us wondering whether or not he would revert again, or that he simply had a master plan of evil waiting to be revealed.

I respect the way he went out. He was desperately trying to complete his mission and he became frantic when he realized that his past sins had given him a reputation that made it easy to distrust him. I've been waiting for this for a few years now. I figured that Lex would have to 'Kill his own father' to complete his journey into complete Evil. Now, it's done. I'll miss Lionel Luthor AND John Glover's usual superb performances. I'll never forget him as LL.

[Lexgirl33]

Man I will miss his character. What a brilliant actor. I hope he will be back for the show. :( RIP Lionel, you will be missed.

[superhippie2000]

one thing i liked is that lionel died a good guy. him dying that way just proved that he was honest about the whole cage thing and wanting to prtect clark. Mr kents wanring to clark in the afterlife i fguess was wrong. unless the real meaning behind that was clark couldnt trust lionel cause lionel knew about controlling clark and that due to him clark is in danger. which we see now because of lionel lex is know able to put clark in danger.

[SpiritedDiva]

I agree with most everyone. I will miss Lionel. His character had a lot of layers. and John Glover did well bringing his character to life. I have to admit, Lionel is a very intriguing character, and what was revealed about him in this epi made him all the more.
Farewell MB!

[Liarma]

LIONEL IS DEAD??!?!?!?! I'm sorry I live in Australia and we're nearly a whole season behind US and Canada. So Lex killed him? Holy Sh*t! How did he do it? btw whats does "MB" mean?

This is so saddening for me 'cause Lionel was my 3rd fave character....

[LexLuv180]

Very sad. Lionel was one of my very top favorite characters. His interactions with the others, weird plots, and all potential things they could have kept doing with him will be greatly missed. I wish they would have Lionel do a write-off interview on what he now thinks, and wish they would have done the same with Jonathan (although he did talk a bit about his send off in interviews)


*sniff, sniff*

[Alicia Chipy]

I will miss both the Character and the actor.He kept me guessing about his real intentions to the very end.
R.I.P M.B.

PS. to the new writers:please don't insult us or the character's memory by bringing him back as a clone,or as his evil twin.

[Liarma]

Can someone please tell me what "MB" means and how Lex killed him?

[Alicia Chipy]

Can someone please tell me what "MB" means and how Lex killed him?

MB meas magnificent bastard.
Lex pushed Lionel out f a window 40 stories high.

Hope this helps.

[svsabbiesv]

I just want to take the time to say Lionel Luthor will be missed. Lex has truely gone over the edge..at least with Lionel he had some feelings...sh*t Lex is without a soul

[Liarma]

MB meas magnificent bastard.
Lex pushed Lionel out f a window 40 stories high.

Hope this helps.

thanks. man thats crazy. and svsabbiesv, its like Lana said to Lex in 'Phantom' "You aren't capable of love Lex, You never were"

[minerva73]

thanks. man thats crazy. and svsabbiesv, its like Lana said to Lex in 'Phantom' "You aren't capable of love Lex, You never were"

I agree. And Chloe's definition of "evil" or at least the one that she follows all comes back to Lex's lack of an ability to love. He couldn't truly love Lionel, Lana, Clark, or Grant, so he's unable to love which is what makes a person "evil' according to Chloe.

[smallvillelogan]

I agree. And Chloe's definition of "evil" or at least the one that she follows all comes back to Lex's lack of an ability to love. He couldn't truly love Lionel, Lana, Clark, or Grant, so he's unable to love which is what makes a person "evil' according to Chloe.

Well I agree with Chloe.

[skully]

I will miss the MB. He had well and truly become the father figure of the series, even if he still seemed to lurch back towards evil occasionally.

Kudos to John Glover on a simply outstanding portrayal of Lionel Luthor for 7 seasons. I hope he makes some appearances from this point, even if only in flashbacks.

[TECHWON]

i knew they were gonna kill off eventual but damn the way they did it was good i saw this coming in the previews for "decent" so not suprised but they do forshadow him in the comics and in other media such as "lois & clark"

[ginnyfan]

I'll miss Lionel Luthor and John Glover. He brought so much to that role and to the show. That small smile on Lionel's face as he fell. *shakes head* :D

[ClareKent]

I'm so sad, he was really protecting Clark and in the last moments even he turned against him, really sad :(

[Krypto_marcus]

I'm so sad, but I think it was a necessary step. I liked that he died protecting Clark.
RIP Lionel Luthor

[FotW]

I'm just sad because I'll miss Glover as Lionel - he is one of the best things about Smallville. Lionel always made every episode better, in my opinion.

[msleggie]

I think it's really sad that Lionel is dead, and the way he died was tripped out, I'm going to miss that MB

[Rosa76]

I was very sad . :(
Lionel always said the most clever things .
But I am glad he died protecting Clark .:)
I will miss him though. :\

[superhippie2000]

Lets just hope we get some flashbacks with lionel in them at some point in the future.

[Wildfire]

I am of course going to miss our beloved MB. Call him what you want even though he started as the man we loved to hate he turned in the en to be the great protector of Clark. On another note John Glover will be sadly missed this is truly a dark day for smallville.

I will only say adieu great one you will me sorely missed.

[falcon64z8]

Im somewhat glad they killed him off because he was the reason for holding Lex from achieving greatness and the child self of Lex was what stopping him from being evil. Plus, it when full circle on how he killed his parents and now he gets killed by his child.

[inesvw]

Lionel is dead, and i will miss him a lot, i loved his character, he was the best actor and the best character of the show, but i have a doubt. From different sources it´s have been said that JG renewed his contract for season 8, so if Lionel is dead, that info was only a lie, a rumor?? because I thougth that it was confirmed that he will be in season 8... so what will be happen now?, we will see him again or not? he will be some kind of another character, like the new Jor El or something like that?? I hoped that i will see him in season 8... If Kristin, michael, JG, and maybe allison not in Smallville i think I will not follow the show... sad

(sorry if I don´t write english well, i´m from Spain )

[Silas]

His death seems a little too easy for such a powerful character

[LoveHurts38]

indifferent, did Lionel kill his parents ?
Lex better NOT have any kids, crappy family tradition.:lol:

Lex does have daughter named Lena ...she even dates Jimmy but, does not work out and leaves with Brainiac.....Will miss Lionel did take care of Clark.

[berniepooh]

I am wondering if being Jor El's vessel will give him some type of life after death? I don't know how that would work....but it's a nagging feeling.

[cl@rk k#nt]

The best line, of course, was when Lex said no one will remember your name. On Smallville, that would seem impossible, but in the Superman mythos, did anyone even pay attention to the fact that Lex Luthor had a father?? Awesome!

[queenelizabeth]

Oh, that scene was so creepy yet sooo awesome.
"I grew up in your shadow, but you'll die in mine." or something like that...so sinister....

[kal-el_Girl]

Now, that's a good idea: Lionel haunting Lex! :lol:



no wonder lex's crazy... He sees his mother's ghost, he also sees himself as a child, and now he'll probably see lionel.
sixth sense anyone??:p
LOL:rotfl:

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I'm just sad because I'll miss Glover as Lionel - he is one of the best things about Smallville. Lionel always made every episode better, in my opinion.
totally agree!!! great actor and great person. Miss you already Mr. Glover

[One-Winged-Angel]

John was one of my favorite actors on the show and played the role of Lionel perfect, he will be missed:(

[Nazmul]

One thing I don't understand is that if
Lionel was Jorel's emisary then wouldn't Jorel give him some kind of protection.

[Lazy Boy]

R.I.P. You will be missed. *sob* geez...

Your icon seems to be happy about it! :rotfl:

On the topic - sad. He was a great character to have around Smallville and I have always enjoyed his lines. As for season eight it might be possible that he'll reappear as Jo-el emissary?

[LastSonKalEl]

maybe i'm missing something what is an mb

[STFanatic]

I will always remember the Blond MB ;)

(From the movie "Scrooged")

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Smallville/MBscrogedsmall.gif

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maybe i'm missing something what is an mb

A nickname for Lionel.

MB = Magnificent Bastard = John Glover's acting skills as the manipulating bastard Lionel (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61706)

[Nazmul]

I thought MB=MultiBillionaire.

[Hydra]

I said I was happy, but only because I think it was necessary to drive the Lex's story forward. This was long overdue. I will be sad to see one of the better actors on the show leave however.

[jazel]

MB wasn't all that, IF he let his kid do him in. I'm hoping Lex has LOTS of children.:lol:

[Shaftell]

I'm going to miss Lionel!

He was my favourite charactor on the show :(

[Hydra]

Next year is going to be interesting. Two of my favorite characters are leaving this season. :(

[Smallvillebabe08]

Lionel was bad at times. But sometimes he was good. He was always trying to protect Clark. It was really sad how he died though.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I had to vote for other. At times I've hated Lionel (trying to blow up Chloe? Not cool!), other times I've liked him (Jor-El's vessel). But lately he's just kind of been...meh.

Also, mostly I'm just glad the one killed wasn't Chloe! So yeah, had to pick other.

[superhippie2000]

ya well it was either him or chle and glad it wsnt chloe but still wish lionel lasted longer. although i knew he had to die at some point.

[MetroGirl06]

It was a great loss. I always enjoyed the MB on screen. :(

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

It was your time to go so Lex can go on with his destiny of trying to be the mb.... BUT Lionel Luthor will forever will be the original MB!!! No matter how good he tried to be!!!!

[kentfamily]

I think Lionel is still alive! Did anyone check out his eyes when they showed him after the fall? Lex was looking down at him and Lex had this worried look on his face. Lionel's eyes were pitch black like when the doctor was possessed by Brainiac in Wrath.

[xrayvision]

I think Lionel is still alive! Did anyone check out his eyes when they showed him after the fall? Lex was looking down at him and Lex had this worried look on his face. Lionel's eyes were pitch black like when the doctor was possessed by Brainiac in Wrath.

No, I saw his pupil when the flashlight was shined in his eyes.

I wish he would return, but I don't know. Unless he returns as the Eradicator (if they ever introduce it on this show--which is really driving me nuts since it should have been on the show before Kara).

[LastSonKalEl]

is that red hood in your pic jason todd?....i havent bought comics since the last crisis lol..anyway um yeah i agree he's dead

[xrayvision]

Yup, it's JT all right. I liked it when he was Red Hood when he came back in 2004. They had him most recently as Red Robin. He also donned the Nightwing costume a few years ago and unlike Dick Grayson, killed the criminals he fought. I hope he goes back to being Red Hood.

[LastSonKalEl]

cool yeah ive been too busy and in college to buy all 40 comics a month to stay in the loop lol...bastard crisees

[xrayvision]

I haven't bought them for a while now. I did buy some of the JT's return from a guy on Ebay, but the SOB sent them to me without plastics or backing boards and exposed to tape that when I tried taking off, ripped parts of the comics it was exposed to. I have to go back and get all those Hush (a storyline where a character appearing as Jason Todd was revealed to really be Clayface) and Red Hood comics someday.

[borednow]

*cries for Lionel* I'll miss you! You beautiful bastard!

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah hush is good....i'm a superman, batman, green arrow fan....and those have been pretty interesting the last couple years....nightwing is pretty awesome also....its just alot to follow u know like 100 bucks a month to keep up...i think i'd rather check wikipedia to see whats goin on and eat lol

[xrayvision]

I can't stand the price of comics these days. I wish they were still $1.00. The greed that happened in the 90's really hurt the industry. It hasn't had the same popularity since then.

[STFanatic]

I was upset when comics went to 15 cents :eek:

I do hope we get to see John Glover from time to time at least in flashbacks.

[nhl2k]

Well I knew that someone was going to go in this episode, and I had a strong feeling it was Lionel. However, it's still a crushing blow as he was one of my favorites on the show. John Glover did an excellent job playing him, and that can't be said enough. I never watched a single episode with him and thought he could have played the part better. His maturity and confidence in acting really showed every time.
I will miss him terribly and I hope they can write some great stories to fill the void that he will leave.

[xrayvision]

I was upset when comics went to 15 cents :eek:

I do hope we get to see John Glover from time to time at least in flashbacks.

I remember them being like 60 cents (maybe less) around 1984. And the dollar wasn't worth that mush more back in those days.

[luthorian]

Perhaps the most confusing and interesting character of the series. R.I.P :(

[bmwhype]

What is this MB?

[STFanatic]

What is this MB?


This should help.
Acronyms & Abbreviations Decoded (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61706)

[Lionel The Great]

What is this MB?

Meaning The "Magnificient Bastard".

He earned this name,

for being Such an Elite & Classy & Clever "sly old fox", especially in season 2 and 3.

He was almost an idol in some way for sure.



Briefly, I find his death totally disappointing.

It is a SHAME for a MAN like Lionel Luthor, dies in his Loser Son's hands !!

Actually, The writers pissed me off for getting kill him.

I Hope to God they find a way to bring him back ((like Chloe's ability))



R.I.P Lionel The MB Luthor... Definitely, You were THE MAN of the show.

You were the TRUE VILLAIN of this show indeed.

Whether you were Good or Bad in this season, you will ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED.

((The opposite what That Bald Boy said !! ))




And All Thanks to John Glover. He is a SUPERB Actor.

To be more precised, He is the most successfull actor of the Show.

Would I like so much Lionel Luthor,

if Lionel would have been played by someone else ??

I'm not sure...

[DARK ANDY]

No, Glover made Lionel.

Lionel in some schmuck's hands, I'd have hoped he'd die in Season 1.

It's all Glover.

[Ares]

Its too bad that he had to go.. He was one of the better actors on the show so thats disapointing..

[All about Clark]

Glover was a great Lionel, however, I think the story needed him to go and I actually thought Lex would have killed him before now. I think Glover stayed so long because TPTB knew he was loved by all. But the story must go on.

You know the moment Lionel put Clark in a kryptonite cage I knew he was dead meat.

[Phantazma]

I'm still in denial that Lionel is gone for good.

John Glover is a wonderful actor; his character of Lionel Luthor will be missed.

[pizzahead2490]

Saw the episode again and it was pretty sad :(