What's in the Veritas Envelope?/Veritas History.....

[dru-zod2501]

(you've entered my weird theory zone)
After rewatching the flashback scene about the envelope, it's got me thinking.

What did they reveal in that scene, that we didn't already know?
1: whatever is in the envelope, Veritas was going to use it as a weapon against or means of control over the traveller

2: it's been around for who knows how long, centuries before Veritas. It couldn't be directly related to the coming of Kal-El, because no one knew about that until Swann received the transmissions from space and when Jor-El visited in the 50s Krypton was still whole.

3: it's supposed to grant the owner "ultimate power," even more power than a Kryptonian.

so what could be so great that the four houses had to come together to hide it? My thought, and this fits in with the big bad name people have been throwing around the last 2 days, I think Swann was protecting the Anti-Life Equation. Darkseid has long suspected it to be on Earth. Maybe he sent something to scout ahead, which made contact with Brainiac, and they struck a deal. Brainy warns Darkseid of the nuisance Kryptonians and chooses to take the more powerful of the two. He doesn't need Kara, just to get her out of the way.

[litew8]

(you've entered my weird theory zone)
After rewatching the flashback scene about the envelope, it's got me thinking.

What did they reveal in that scene, that we didn't already know?
1: whatever is in the envelope, Veritas was going to use it as a weapon against or means of control over the traveller

2: it's been around for who knows how long, centuries before Veritas. It couldn't be directly related to the coming of Kal-El, because no one knew about that until Swann received the transmissions from space and when Jor-El visited in the 50s Krypton was still whole.

3: it's supposed to grant the owner "ultimate power," even more power than a Kryptonian.

so what could be so great that the four houses had to come together to hide it? My thought, and this fits in with the big bad name people have been throwing around the last 2 days, I think Swann was protecting the Anti-Life Equation. Darkseid has long suspected it to be on Earth. Maybe he sent something to scout ahead, which made contact with Brainiac, and they struck a deal. Brainy warns Darkseid of the nuisance Kryptonians and chooses to take the more powerful of the two. He doesn't need Kara, just to get her out of the way.I was thinking the same thing. Great job dru-zod2501.
Could her bracelet be part of the equation?

I also think that it will not be Darksied, but rather one of his sons. :D

[dru-zod2501]

I was thinking the same thing. Great job dru-zod2501.
coming from the master of conspiracies, that's honorable praise:D

[litew8]

:lol: I'll take that as a compliment.
I don't know anything about the comics.
I've read (recently) a little about Darksied.
Do you know which son I am talking about?

If I'm wrong about a certain something - the name is mentioned in my constellation/mythology thread -

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86543

Also note: my very last post was almost SPOT on. :lol:

[jazel]

A VIP, dinner party, "invite".:lol:
GIVE ME YOUR KEY.....or I must KILL you !:lol:

[dru-zod2501]

Could her bracelet be part of the equation?

I also think that it will not be Darkseid, but rather his son. :D
I was thinking that too, but then why would he need her instead of just take the bracelet, could it be one of those stupid "it's biologically tuned to work only for me" crap deals?

Darkseid has 2 sons Orion and Kalibak, Orion isn't a villain, and Kalibak is too retarded to pull something as complicated as this off nah, my money is still on Daddy D. But if it isn't the Big Man, then we'd have to be talking Desaad, or at least Granny.

[litew8]

Someone once explained the bracelet to me a while back.
I'll see if I can dig up the thread and see if it is significant.

I read that Orion had a very vicious temper - that he learned to control.
I did get the feeling that he wasn't a villan, but maybe growing up he
was. If I read correctly, he traveled to Earth at one time. We have to remember
that Clark isn't Superman yet - so the other villans are young too.

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I'll also add - that there are 2 other stars (not mentioned in my constellation thread) that are near Sirius - Darksied had friends that were named after them. The whole constellation and association with the comics is interesting.

[jimmyolsenblues]

dru-zod2501, raises a great question.
What could possibly be in that envelope that could help humans against kryptonians.
I really hope they expand on the letters in Switzerland.

[Eri-El]

Ok so I've rewatched the epi like 4 times now, and if I had only seen it the first time something caught my attention........In the flashback scene Robert Queen, in trying to convince Lionel they shouldn't open the envelope he says:
"Long before our families united....men died protecting the secret of Veritas, If Edward's ancestors are right they've been sacrificing themselves to protect it for centuries".

Maybe I'm missing something.........Can someone shed some light on this statement please?:confused:

[jimmyolsenblues]

he is saying veritas pre-dates this meeting long ago.
Veritas could be a long time secret for generations.
I really hope they expand on this idea.

[Cromartiefan]

The envelope contains a contingency plan against the Traveller being a threat, which will allow humans to control him (and it's probably slightly more elaborate than "Zap him with Kryptonite Tazers"). Controlling the traveller is what gives "ultimate power"

The box contains an item vital to that countermeasure.

That's what I got out of it, anyway

[Eri-El]

he is saying veritas pre-dates this meeting long ago.
Veritas could be a long time secret for generations.
I really hope they expand on this idea.


I hope so too because I wasn't expecting that information....as far as I was concerned it was just started by the 4 men in the flashback scene.

[dru-zod2501]

bump for more theories

[Crusader]

Wasn't it the second key inside the envelope? (The one that Lionel had around his neck during the episode). As we all saw Mr Queen walk over to it and stare down at it before Dr Swann came into the room, and it was Mr Queen himself who had possession of the key when the plane crashed.
But then again that theory may not make sense taking into consideration how the object in the envelope was meant to be something that had existed for centuries, and the keys unlocked a safe in Zuritch or somewhere, so that safe couldn't have stayed around for all those years, or could it? I don't know it's just a thought lol.

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I haven't actually re-watched the episode so I'm not totally sure whether or not that second key was actually around in that flashback scene, in which case just forget what i've written lol.

[dru-zod2501]

Wasn't it the second key inside the envelope? (The one that Lionel had around his neck during the episode). As we all saw Mr Queen walk over to it and stare down at it before Dr Swann came into the room, and it was Mr Queen himself who had possession of the key when the plane crashed.
But then again that theory may not make sense taking into consideration how the object in the envelope was meant to be something that had existed for centuries, and the keys unlocked a safe in Zuritch or somewhere, so that safe couldn't have stayed around for all those years, or could it? I don't know it's just a thought lol.

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I haven't actually re-watched the episode so I'm not totally sure whether or not that second key was actually around in that flashback scene, in which case just forget what i've written lol.
huh?? Lionel and Lex have the 2 keys, the envelope wasn't opened then, hasn't been opened yet

[Crusader]

So it seems there are two items (or just the one), that are the answer to what can keep the traveler controlled. The two keys which can unlock the safe in Zuritch, or that mysterious envelope that none of us seem to know what holds.

[smallvillelogan]

Ok so I've rewatched the epi like 4 times now, and if I had only seen it the first time something caught my attention........In the flashback scene Robert Queen, in trying to convince Lionel they shouldn't open the envelope he says:
"Long before our families united....men died protecting the secret of Veritas, If Edward's ancestors are right they've been sacrificing themselves to protect it for centuries".

Maybe I'm missing something.........Can someone shed some light on this statement please?:confused:

Perhaps Edward's ancestors are also related to Genevieve's ancestors, the ones that sentenced Isobel to burn at the stake, perhaps in fear that Isobel would discover the stones that were meant for the Traveler. Before Isobel was burned, maybe she killed many of these Teague ancestors in an attempt to get the stones.

Maybe this is what Robert Queen meant.

[smallvillefreak24]

^^ ok more about whole sacrificed for many generations thing above, how in the world would they know this.. i thought swan discovered it -what the heck- so lionel was suspecting clark of the travelor in season 3? why didnt he connect it before the crystal then if he had all this info as an advatage-o ya and y would he kill swann in the fourth season-that was when he was "pure" i just think there are some definate holes in this whole veritas so if anyone would be willing to explain it to me i would be grateful

[MixTKO]

My question was -

If the keys already exsisted while the letter sat there in the room -
could it be something else that is locked away, not the letter?

Why show the keys if there was nothing locked away?
They showed Queen's key.

That scene was a flashback before the meteor shower. They weren't even sure if Swanns theory was true yet. So no need to lock it up yet.

[dru-zod2501]

Perhaps Edward's ancestors are also related to Genevieve's ancestors, the ones that sentenced Isobel to burn at the stake, perhaps in fear that Isobel would discover the stones that were meant for the Traveler. Before Isobel was burned, maybe she killed many of these Teague ancestors in an attempt to get the stones.

Maybe this is what Robert Queen meant.
so Edward and Genevieve are like distant cousins? ewww factor:(!!!


^^ ok more about whole sacrificed for many generations thing above, how in the world would they know this.. i thought swan discovered it -what the heck- so lionel was suspecting clark of the travelor in season 3? why didnt he connect it before the crystal then if he had all this info as an advatage-o ya and y would he kill swann in the fourth season-that was when he was "pure" i just think there are some definate holes in this whole veritas so if anyone would be willing to explain it to me i would be grateful
I think Teague was talking about protecting the Secret of Veritas, not about the Traveller then. I'm still not entirely convinced it was Lionel who killed Swann, they haven't come out and said it outwardly

[smallvillelogan]

^^ ok more about whole sacrificed for many generations thing above, how in the world would they know this.. i thought swan discovered it -what the heck- so lionel was suspecting clark of the travelor in season 3? why didnt he connect it before the crystal then if he had all this info as an advatage-o ya and y would he kill swann in the fourth season-that was when he was "pure" i just think there are some definate holes in this whole veritas so if anyone would be willing to explain it to me i would be grateful

Doesn't that make sense now that Lionel was all over discovering Clark's secret in Season 3? Lionel's motive for discovering Clark's secret was to find out if in fact Clark was the Traveler as he suspected.

About Virgil Swann, it has not been proven yet that Lionel killed him. Only the Queens and the Teagues' deaths have been proven to be at Lionel's hands. Patricia Swann just suspected that Lionel killed her father too.

Also, if Lionel did indeed kill Swann, he could have possibly poisoned him when he met with Dr. Swann back in the Season 3 episode 'Legacy,' leading to a gradual death that surfaced in Season 4's 'Sacred.'

[bobsuncorp]

Everyone seems to be talking about Darkseid (or someone connected to him) but given Smallville's history with resurrecting Superman villains before the real Superman legend is supposed to begin, I have to wonder if the envelope contains directions to something of enormous power hidden inside a mountain somewhere. Lex will then dig up that mountain, and release.... Doomsday.

I have to admit that Doomsday would be hard to portray, they would have to use CGI and it couldn't possibly really do justice to the comic on the small screen (and there is always the chance that WB or whoever would veto that idea if they want to use him in a movie) but if they could pull it off it would be awesome.

[smallvillelogan]

so Edward and Genevieve are like distant cousins? ewww factor:(!!!


Not necessarily. Maybe that's my fault for not being as clear in my suspicion.

Genevieve's ancestors could have been the ones dying to keep Veritas safe, which involved keeping the stones safe from others like Isobel. Edward would be connected to this because it was his wife's ancestors. After all, Genevieve was also a member of the society. (And Lillian Luthor, Mrs. Queen, and Virgil Swann's wife, or Bridgette Crosby, obviously were too. Though this episode makes me think that the men were more involved in it than the women, with possibly the exception of Genevieve, who plays a big role in Season 4.)

[ClarkyBoy14]

^Lillian wasn't a member. Remember she was trying to find out what Veritas was?

In some of the trailers, they showed Lex opening the box. I hope that we get to see that scene soon.

[smallvillelogan]

^Lillian wasn't a member. Remember she was trying to find out what Veritas was?

In some of the trailers, they showed Lex opening the box. I hope that we get to see that scene soon.

Oh yeah that's right how could I forget?

Are there only two keys- Swann's and Robert Queen's, the one that Lionel has now? Edward Teague didn't have one, did he? Going by what I saw I thought he didn't.

[litew8]

Oh yeah that's right how could I forget?

Are there only two keys- Swann's and Robert Queen's, the one that Lionel has now? Edward Teague didn't have one, did he? Going by what I saw I thought he didn't.No, Teague didn't have one.
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Teague's were in charge of collecting (or finding) the stones.
Why - I don't know, because the stones (collectively) created the FOS.
Useless to humans.

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I think the envelope contained information pertaining the Anti-Life Equation.
Powerful, capable of "controlling" humans/etc...
Easily capable of stopping the Traveler. And desired by Darkseid.
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[litew8]

I did a little reading about Supergirl.
For the little bit that I looked, I found this:

In the movie Supergirl (I never saw), Argon City survived the explosion of Krypton. The city was put into an alternate dimension. There are two power sources in Argon City, one being the omegahedron. (young) Kara and Zor-El were there. There was some sort of wizard (Zaltar) that took (borrowed) the omegahedron. It possessed great power. The wizard (Zaltar) was screwing around with it (innocently), making things. The wizard (Zaltar) touched Kara's wrist and created a bracelet. The wizard (Zaltar) gave Kara a wand to play with. She made a fake (?) dragonfly. The wizard rolled the omegahedron towards Kara (in an attempt to hide it from Kara's mother). It bumped into Kara's leg and made the dragonfly come to life. The dragonfly (or insects of sorts) flew off and broke through the protective shield surrounding Argon City! A vaccumm effect occurred and the omegahedron (orb) got sucked out into space. The wizard (Zaltar) used his magic want and fixed the tear in the protective shield.

Kara watched as Zor-El yelled at the wizard (Zaltar) - and for some reason decided to run away and go to Earth and visit her cousin Kal-El. She took (stole) the wizard's (Zaltar) little space ship (he was planing on using sometime) and took off (though a "binary chute" -> though the warp - pathway from inner space to outter space).

The ship took off, following the omegahedron. Incidently, it flew straight to Earth.
Kara's bracelet begins to flash as she nears the "power source" (omegahedron).
Bad people got ahold of the omegahedron, before Kara could retrieve it, and created havoc - deamons, etc...

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Anyway, it seems that there's a history to the creation of her bracelet.
Which might imply the reason Brainiac wanted her and the bracelet.
Which might also imply Brainiac's remark - Kara can go back to Krypton.
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I also read a little bit somewhere that suggested Supergirl had the POWER to travel back in time, and the future. That might also have something to do with Brainiac's comments about going "back". I'm guessing it's the first - Argon City still exists in another dimension - and that's where they are going. But supposedly, Argon City cannot survive long without the omegahedron (power source). So perhaps Brainiac wants to use Kara to help find it.

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:D :D :p :p
All that just for a bracelet! :lol:

[xrayvision]

I say the envelope contains the coordinates of where the Eradicator was buried by either Jor-El or Dax-Ur.

[litew8]

If that's true xrayvision, why would Lionel suspect something terrible is going to happen.
I think there's 2 parts to all of this.

Part 1
Since Lionel had his key, and Patricia had hers -
Lionel doesn't know what is inside of the envelope. (you could be right)
Thus, whatever Lionel knows - doesn't come from the envelope.

Part 2
Brainiac took Kara and her bracelet for some reason.
And there's some sort of explanation to Brainiac's talk in the beginning.

[kal-el returns]

he is saying veritas pre-dates this meeting long ago.
Veritas could be a long time secret for generations.
I really hope they expand on this idea.

does that mean that they knew centuries ago that a traveler, aka clark, would land on earth eventually?

[dru-zod2501]

does that mean that they knew centuries ago that a traveler, aka clark, would land on earth eventually?
I don't think veritas was created specifically because of the Traveller, but for more

[xrayvision]

he is saying veritas pre-dates this meeting long ago.
Veritas could be a long time secret for generations.
I really hope they expand on this idea.

Isn't it though? I know according to Justice & Doom, Gertrude was somehow contacted by Zod from the future back in the 1600's. I wonder if this means Gertrude was not evil and actually wanted to prevent the stones from being found. The society likely existed for all that knowledge to be passed down to the present day.

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If that's true xrayvision, why would Lionel suspect something terrible is going to happen.
I think there's 2 parts to all of this.

Part 1
Since Lionel had his key, and Patricia had hers -
Lionel doesn't know what is inside of the envelope. (you could be right)
Thus, whatever Lionel knows - doesn't come from the envelope.

Part 2
Brainiac took Kara and her bracelet for some reason.
And there's some sort of explanation to Brainiac's talk in the beginning.

Lionel's concern is obviously centered on Patricia being murdered for her locket because he knows that whoever killed her will be after his key next. And I wouldn't doubt it that he knows it was Lex. Regardless of whether or not he knows what's inside the envelope, he knows that Lex is one more murder away from finding out.

We also know that Lionel held Kara's bracelet for a purpose. He definitely didn't want Brainiac seeing it.

It's possible that Lionel knows what's inside the envelope from his connection with Jor-El. And I wouldn't doubt that his connection with Jor-El also makes him know why Brainiac was after Kara, which is what made him hide the bracelet.

[litew8]

^
So that would imply that Lionel knows everything -
even if he doesn't know what is inside of the envelope?
There seems to be a hole in that idea.

[xrayvision]

Let's say this:

Lionel knew that Brainiac would come after Kara if he saw her wearing the bracelet.

Lionel at the very least knows that whatever is inside the envelope is very powerful or leads to something very powerful and knows that Lex had Patricia killed and has Swann's key. He is now going for the 2nd key that Lionel has. Lionel is very scared to think about what would happen if whatever Veritas has been hiding ends up in Lex's hands.

So there's no proof that he knows what Brainiac's plan is. But we know from him taking the bracelet that Jor-El at a minimum told him to hide the bracelet if he didn't fully disclose everything that Brainiac has planned.

[litew8]

Not entirely sure. Suggesting that Lionel kept Kara's bracelet because he knew Brainiac would come after her? Where did that assumption come from? Why didn't Lionel try to take the bracelet earlier on then?

It just seemed like Lionel found the bracelet after finding Lex. So he kept it. Then he lied to Chloe and Clark when the subject of finding the bracelet and possibly curing Kara's bout of amnesia. The only thing that I gathered from that - is that Lionel simply wanted to keep it for himself. Suggesting that he kept it to keep Brainiac at bay is a stretch (imo). There's nothing I recall that would imply Lionel was trying to protect Kara - unless I missed some dialog uttered by Lionel. I'm not even sure Lionel knew that Brainiac was back. I'm also not sure that Lionel is capable of directly communicating with Jor-El. I'd think that he doesn't. He may be (or have been) considered a vessel, but that doesn't mean direct communication between Jor-El and himself.

[xrayvision]

Zor-El in Blue tracked Lionel because of Jor-El's telepathic connection with Lionel. Since Zor-El at the time was communicating with & controlling the FOS through the blue crystal, he sensed Jor-El communicating with Lionel and tracked him to his location. So we know the connection still exists. Zor-El even called Lionel Jor-El's emissary & would have killed him had Clark not showed up.

So I think Lionel was acting on Jor-El's latent information and as usual didn't tell Clark as was the case when he was tracking the phantom last season.

[litew8]

^ okay.

You are suggesting that Jor-El knows that Brainiac is after Kara.
Even though Jor-El has said that he knows nothing of Kara, or her arival.
You are also suggesting that Jor-El is perdicting the future, or manipulating it.

I'm not so sure.

[GuardianAngel]

Zor-El in Blue tracked Lionel because of Jor-El's telepathic connection with Lionel. Since Zor-El at the time was communicating with & controlling the FOS through the blue crystal, he sensed Jor-El communicating with Lionel and tracked him to his location. So we know the connection still exists. Zor-El even called Lionel Jor-El's emissary & would have killed him had Clark not showed up.



Just to clarify one point: in "Blue" Zor-el tracked down Lionel because he said that the crystals (I believe inside the FOS) told him he was the vessel.

When Clark inserted the blue crystal in the console, Zor-el came to life but also took control of the FOS. That's how he was able to use the knowledge of the FOS at his own advantage.

[All about Clark]

Maybe it's as simple as a medallion, like the one Simone used on Clark. Magic being his second weakness to kryptonite. Magic can control Clark, whereas kryptonite can only hurt Clark or blue take his powers. However I'm leaning to magic because Clark could still be powerful under someone else's control and that seems to be what Veritas had in mind. And this would be very dangerous in Lex's possession.

[IamProdigy]

Also, if Lionel did indeed kill Swann, he could have possibly poisoned him when he met with Dr. Swann back in the Season 3 episode 'Legacy,' leading to a gradual death that surfaced in Season 4's 'Sacred.'


Well, think about why Dr. Crosby came to Smallville in "Crusade"...because Dr. Swann was sick, which I always thought was the reason...she stayed in Smallville to be Clark's guide and to give him the Water Stone, or she intended to in "Transference".

And I think perhaps a possibility of why it took so long for Swann to die, if Lionel did poison him sometime in "Legacy" was his alleged connection with Jor-El...perhaps he had some kind of...extra life with him, more or less as Jor-El's FIRST vessel.

[dru-zod2501]

I've fallen out of touch with the thread, but I gotta say if Lionel did in fact kill Swann then it feels like a big disappointment. when Swann died I actually thought his death was for a greater purpose than just another check on Lionel's hit list

[marauderman]

I think that the way Lionel was throwing the word "control" around, that it was some sort of mind control never seen before in the Superman universe, and was created for the SV series. I wouldn't be surprised if it is another crystal.

[JeffGordon]

Whatever was in the envelope had a direct correlation to Lana Lang. She's been there all along with a full-on "hands off" mantra. Everyone knows it except for the machine. The failed lab experiment even fell in love with her!

Fly Kara, FLY!!!!

[litew8]

Whatever was in the envelope had a direct correlation to Lana Lang. She's been there all along with a full-on "hands off" mantra. Everyone knows it except for the machine. The failed lab experiment even fell in love with her!

Fly Kara, FLY!!!!You should read this JeffGordon, if you haven't already.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87580

[JeffGordon]

You should read this JeffGordon, if you haven't already.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87580

Thanks for the heads up man! I'm just throwing my worthless two cents in.

So what do you think is in the wax-sealed letter of doom? Rosetta Stone dictionaries?

They're bouncing all over the map with this production! Sorry if I over-stepped the protocol.
:)

[dru-zod2501]

Interesting you said that. I don't know to what extent anyone has ever noticed BUT -

Clark did NOT collect all of the stones.
He only collected 2 of 3 stones.

When he put the 2nd stone in the cave console ("Commencement"),
it formed the FOS crystal.

Clark didn't have all 3 stones. Only 2.
umm... look again chief, all 3 stones are definitely there when the crystal is formed!

[litew8]

Thanks for the heads up man! I'm just throwing my worthless two cents in. So what do you think is in the wax-sealed letter of doom? Rosetta Stone dictionaries? They're bouncing all over the map with this production! Sorry if I over-stepped the protocol.
:)Over-stepped? No way. I was agreeing with you :cool: -
thought you'd like some more insight into the probability.

[GuardianAngel]

No they aren't cheif. The bottom left is missing.

In "Commencement" -

1) The meteor shower was about to hit
2) Jor-El said - Collect the stones for crying out loud!
3) Lana gave Clark her stone (the top stone) \8/
4) Clark went and stole the stone from Lex's safe (the same one as Lana's tattoo)
5) He put it into the cave console and it formed the FOS Crystal

There was no 3rd stone!
Please correct me if I'm wrong!


In "Commencement":

1) The meteor shower is about to hit
2) Clark goes to Jor-el and you can see that the first stone (the one he recovered from Lex in "Crusade") is there (22m 29s)
3) Jor-El speaks
4) Lana gives Clark her stone (the top stone) \8/
5) Clark inserts the stone given by Lana in the cave console. You can see the first one is already there. The two stones and the console call the third one (34m 56)
6) Clark goes and steals the stone from Lex's safe (the same one as Lana's tattoo)
7) He puts it into the cave console and it formes the FOS Crystal (46m 19s)

All times are referred to the episode on the DVD.

[All about Clark]

Agreed, Jor-el took over Clark in Crusade and collected the first stone, and he had all 3 in Commencement.

The first stone was also the one Isobel tried to take from Clark. Lana gave him the second stone and the third became known to Clark and he retrieved it from the Luthors. That's all 3.

[Aldo]

No they aren't cheif. The bottom left is missing.

In "Commencement" -

1) The meteor shower was about to hit
2) Jor-El said - Collect the stones for crying out loud!
3) Lana gave Clark her stone (the top stone) \8/
4) Clark went and stole the stone from Lex's safe (the same one as Lana's tattoo)
5) He put it into the cave console and it formed the FOS Crystal

There was no 3rd stone!
Please correct me if I'm wrong!


Well You are totally wrong. The Three stones were there. What makes you think that one of them was missing? We all would been talking about it since season four, Wouldn't we?;)

[Yoshua]

Veritas.

My bet is that it is a piece of kryptonite or a device that will boost clarks Powers immensely so that he has the ability to defeat whatever threat the Traveller will pose.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Did Swanns assistant give Lionel the third stone? Remember after Transferance Swans assistant was given the stone by the inmate that was helping Lionel.

[All about Clark]

Did Swanns assistant give Lionel the third stone? Remember after Transferance Swans assistant was given the stone by the inmate that was helping Lionel.

No, Jason killed and took the stone from Ms. Crosby, Swann's assistant. Jason gave the stone to his mom, Genevieve, and Lionel blackmailed Genevieve to get the stone using an anecdote for poison she swallowed.

[MixTKO]

No, Jason killed and took the stone from Ms. Crosby, Swann's assistant. Jason gave the stone to his mom, Genevieve, and Lionel blackmailed Genevieve to get the stone using an anecdote for poison she swallowed.
And Lex cleaned up Jason's mess. Anyone think he knows it was Jason or did he suspect daddy dearest???

[IamProdigy]

I'll rewatch it again - but I could swear it was missing.


Might wanna do that before you say anything else.

First stone, the Fire Stone was put in the console in "Crusade". Second, after Lana gave Clark the Air Stone, he put it in the console, only to be directed to the Air Stone, which after he did something to Lionel, Lex put the crystal into his safe. Clark found it, grabbed it, got weak from the kryptonite, Chloe came in to save the day and the when Clark put the 3RD stone in, the Mother Crystal was formed.

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And Lex cleaned up Jason's mess. Anyone think he knows it was Jason or did he suspect daddy dearest???


Probably...until Lionel shot him.

[dru-zod2501]

yea that's right, Kal-El retrieved the 1st stone in Crusade

[Aldo]

Might wanna do that before you say anything else.

First stone, the Fire Stone was put in the console in "Crusade". Second, after Lana gave Clark the Air Stone, he put it in the console, only to be directed to the Air Stone, which after he did something to Lionel, Lex put the crystal into his safe. Clark found it, grabbed it, got weak from the kryptonite, Chloe came in to save the day and the when Clark put the 3RD stone in, the Mother Crystal was formed.

Not to be a smartass but it was the Water Stone:o It's just that I don't want anymore cofusing ;):o

[litew8]

Not to be a smartass but it was the Water Stone:o It's just that I don't want anymore cofusing ;):oI was WRONG! I'm big enough of a man to admit it.
All 3 stones are there. None missing.
Sorry everyone. It being clear appeared (to me) as if it was missing.
I don't have "crusade", so I couldn't rewatch it.
I rewatched "commencement" and noticed that the Fire (or whatever) Stone was actually CLEAR.
Not like the other stones (solid steel look).

[Aldo]

Exactly, it is the only stone that looks like crystal, the Water stone to me, looked like plastic. And the Air stone was the coolest one.

[IamProdigy]

Ahhh, damn...I probably did confuse people, ha. Stupid me.

[JeffGordon]

Over-stepped? No way. I was agreeing with you :cool: -
thought you'd like some more insight into the probability.

Much appreciated!
:cool: