Clark needs Jor-el

[chrisk2]

I've been saying it for years on these boards: Clark will not fly until he stops turning away from Jor-el and embraces who he really is. Lionel said as much when he said that Clark had turned away from Jor-el and was in great danger. If the writers are smart, Clark will make his way to the fortress after he realizes he needs his father, Jor-el, in order to defeat brainiac. the writing is so bad when it comes to continuity: jor-el (through Lionel) in the episode Hidden poignantly made it clear to Clark how he loved him.

[Smallvillefan78412]

I agree. Though I don't understand why they portrayed Jor-el as such a horrible person. Sure he's strict, but he's fair and wants whats best for his son. Clark blames him for so much when really its b/c he didn;t do what Jor-El had warned him about. Clark needs to get over his nostolgia and accept that he's destined for greater things than Smallville and FOTW.

[WookieeBoy]

Yes, unless I forgot something, Clark STILL hasn't completed his training in the FOS, even though he said he would after he took care of all the phantoms, which he did. So what is holding him up now?

[NoSupeForYou]

Tptb

[warriorrenegade]

He will fly when he's over his phobia. I felt in that scene with Kara that he was a little embarassed about his fear and kind of dodged the whole flying lesson. He doesn't need Jor-El to learn that ability...he already has it within him, just needs to come to terms with it.

[jcore0429]

Im supprised Clark didnt try to take Lana to the Fortress, Brainiac said she couldnt be healed by any human methods so why doesnt he do it? I swear I almost screamed at the screen.

[WickedJenn]

Because he remembers what happens when he asks Jor-El to heal a human, either he can't or he does but it denotes HUGE consequences, and after that little kryptonian ice prison he was in, I'd say he's learned that much. Not only that, but by the way Brainiac spoke, it was pretty clear only HE could undo the damage.

[minerva73]

Im supprised Clark didnt try to take Lana to the Fortress, Brainiac said she couldnt be healed by any human methods so why doesnt he do it? I swear I almost screamed at the screen.

Because he's still scared of Jor-El most likely. Or it didn't pop in his head b/c he's so shocked. Chloe could take her again.

It'd be a nice way to say, "I love your son's girlfriend like my sister!". :p

[savannah]

Clark needs to take his training real soon like it should have been a season ago.

[NoSupeForYou]

No way would Jor-el even allow him to bring her considering she is being controlled by Brainiac. Plus, he would probably tell Clark that if he had completed his training he could have destroyed Brainiac.

Basically, he'd tell Clark that he's a BDA and that he won't fix his problems for him. That's how Lionel raised Lex, and see where that got him.

[BadToad]

I think the problem is that Jor-El is so freaking unpredictable. The last time Clark went to Jor-El for help, Jor-El kept him frozen in the FOS for a month. And, as it turns out, Jor-El could've helped, but choose not to.

So, if you were Clark, would you feel confident about bringing Lana up there? What if Jor-El decided to freeze him again? What if Jor-El thinks its better that Lana dies? There's just no way for Clark to know what he's going to do.

[NoSupeForYou]

I wonder how they will resolve the issue between the two of them. Everyone knows that Jor-el is not the bad guy that Clark makes him out to be, so the question is whether or not they will bother to resolve the issue between them this season, next season, or in Offscreenville.

[Jeri1250]

First, I'd like to ask exactly what type of "training" is it the Jor-El AI is supposed to impart to Clark, or, what more can Jor-El teach him that Clark didn't already learn when he was taken away and returned nude and without his Clark memories?

And as far as flying, if Kara really wanted him to fly why didn't she just yank him up into the atmosphere and let him go? That's a pretty damned good teaching method right there.

I surmise that Clark is going to be so angry at what Braniac has done to Lana that he's going to unwittingly launch himself into space after him and Kara, thus warming the cockles of every "Clark ought to be flying" fan every where.

[liana]

I think the problem is that Jor-El is so freaking unpredictable. The last time Clark went to Jor-El for help, Jor-El kept in frozen in the FOS for a month. And, as it turns out, Jor-El could've helped, but choose not to.

So, if you were Clark, would you feel confident about bringing Lana up there? What if Jor-El decided to freeze him again? What if Jor-El thinks its better that Lana dies? There's just no way for Clark to know what he's going to do.

I agree. I wouldn't trust him in a million years. Sometimes, people get things a little mixed up: they think that, because in the movies Jor-el was Clark's mentor, and he was often portrayed as good in the Comics, then he is good and Clark should listen to him. But SV Jor-el is not like the movies, and most certainly not the benevolent scientist of Krypton portrayed in the Comics. SV Jor-el is exactly like Lionel Luthor, and treats Clark the same way Lionel treated Lex when he was a kid. He expects to be obeyed, even though he never explains himself or his reasons, and he has shown a lot of disregard for human life.

I see no reason for Clark to trust him, let alone go training and subjecting himself to be brain washed, like he did to him in the beginning of season 4.

[JLedge]

Well, at this point, he needs Jor-El, Lara, MM, or SOMEBODY.

[SVfan4ever]

SV Jor-el is exactly like Lionel Luthor, and treats Clark the same way Lionel treated Lex when he was a kid. He expects to be obeyed, even though he never explains himself or his reasons, and he has shown a lot of disregard for human life.

I see no reason for Clark to trust him, let alone go training and subjecting himself to be brain washed, like he did to him in the beginning of season 4.

Actually, IMO he's worse than Lionel.

[SmallvilleMan]

Whoa, Jor-el can't touch Lionel in his prime as a horrible father. Yes, Jor-el has made a lot of mistakes, however he isn't Lionel. At least he's hugged Clark and told Clark he loved him. He also granted Clark's wishes to turn back time and he did send Clark the MM(who has suddenly disappeared)........I'm just saying Jor-el isn't close to being as bad as Lionel in his prime. Although, Clark doesn't have much of a reason to trust him, which is all Jor-el's fault.

[Chloelicious]

Yes, unless I forgot something, Clark STILL hasn't completed his training in the FOS, even though he said he would after he took care of all the phantoms, which he did. So what is holding him up now?

Lana. . .

Well, she . . . was

[herolee10]

ppl remember that the Fortress AI of Jor el is said to be VERY different from the actual Jor el according towards all the characters that have known him in person. The AI has no compassion or feelings, it does simply what it's been programmed to do.

[C Redfield]

I thought the Ai was pretty nice.

Let MK have a baby.

Resentfully gave JK Kryptonian powers knowing it would kill him.

Restored the daughter of his enemy.

Turned Back Time.

[NoSupeForYou]

Jor-el is Clark's father, not his friend. The A.I. is programmed to do what is best for Clark, not what he's going to like.

[Yasise]

Yes, unless I forgot something, Clark STILL hasn't completed his training in the FOS, even though he said he would after he took care of all the phantoms, which he did. So what is holding him up now?

In "Kara" Clark went to the FOS because he wanted to start his training, IMO. He even told Lois minutes before they found Kara's spaceship, that he's going to leave Smallville and when Lois asked, where he's planing to go, he answers something like "North".
Then in the FOS Jor-El told him, that his training "starts with Kara" and I always wondered, what exactly that was supposed to mean.


Jor-el is Clark's father, not his friend. The A.I. is programmed to do what is best for Clark, not what he's going to like.

Yes, and it was a kryptonian who programmed it and not a human, so there are bound to be problems, because they don't think and feel alike?

Actually, after having seen "Relict" one can assume that Jor-El, who was obviously the drifter, is as emotional as a human, but the FOS, who is another "form" of Jor-El's mind, is totally different.

But then again, in "Relict" he was younger and in love and the FOS is supposed to be the father's voice to Clark - so in fact, two different "persons" with different intentions...

[Imzadia]

And as far as flying, [...]
I surmise that Clark is going to be so angry at what Braniac has done to Lana that he's going to unwittingly launch himself into space after him and Kara, thus warming the cockles of every "Clark ought to be flying" fan every where.

:\ That's exactly what I thought would motivate him to forget his fears of flying, too. I really expected Clark to be so angry, frustrated, devastated about Lana, and afraid of losing Kara, that he'd only hesitate a little before taking off after Kara and Brainiac into the skies from the DP's rooftop. :confused: I was so surprised when he didn't do it! And disappointed, too. :( The preview write ups Plainly said that Kara was going to teach Clark how to fly. Maybe it'll be in the "Continuation" in the next episode. At least, I hope so. :rolleyes: Even if Clark doesn't fly again until next season, he should do it to try and get Kara back and thwart Brainac's plan...whatever THAT is. :cool: It would be such a 'Special' boost to this particular storyline.

[BWOracle]

Actually Clark has already started his training.

In "Kara", Clark goes to the FOS and asks Jor-El "What about my training?"

And Jor-El responds "Your training starts with Kara. Watch over her..."

Maybe not our idea of training but certainly the TPTB's idea.

[Yasise]

Actually Clark has already started his training.

In "Kara", Clark goes to the FOS and asks Jor-El "What about my training?"

And Jor-El responds "Your training starts with Kara. Watch over her..."

Maybe not our idea of training but certainly the TPTB's idea.

yeah, exactly what I mentioned in my post above.....and it is a weird idea of a training, you're right.

[LexLuv180]

He will fly when he's over his phobia. I felt in that scene with Kara that he was a little embarassed about his fear and kind of dodged the whole flying lesson. He doesn't need Jor-El to learn that ability...he already has it within him, just needs to come to terms with it.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with Jor-El. I thought it was funny when she said she knew he sent Lana off so she wouldn't witness Clark's attempted launch (snickers) The whole scene was funny.