Loved it?Hated it? What did you think of "Veritas"?

[shy175223]

Please do state your opinions until after the episode.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

oops sorry
i promise i didnt mean to :(

[Mar-El]

Are we allowed to vote/comment if we already saw this episode, or do we have to wait until tomorrow?

EDIT: In order not to give anything away, I'll wait until tomorrow so I can write a proper review.

[shy175223]

thank you.:)

[Devo]

I will wait to rant on how this episode sucked until everyone has had a chance to see it.. But beware it won't be pretty.. ;)

[LoveHurts38]

I will wait to rant on how this episode sucked until everyone has had a chance to see it.. But beware it won't be pretty.. ;)

Don't care will watch:p

[MidgardDragon]

Devo, if you're the one that voted a 1 already, then I can already tell your opinion will be way far off of reality. Smallville is rarely, if *ever*, a 1.

[DreadShamus]

I'm withholding my rating until I can watch it without the massively long commercial breaks.

There is a lot of amazing things about this episode, and a lot that really made me dislike Clark more and also like him more. Meh, I'll watch it again tomorrow.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i loved it. but you are right way too many commericals.

[reobeem]

This is an example of where the writers take something good and screw it up. First off the spoilers said it wouldn't be about couples and their problems but more about the mythology, that was a lie. So Lana died and Brainiac killed her talk about beating a dead horse, she died twice already. I think we can say it's safe to say that Darkside is coming and Brainiac is worried and that's why he's useing Kara to revive Krypton. As for Lionle it was amusing to watch him in fear. His story seems to be hitting it's end as the preview indicated Lex kills him. Overall it's a 9/10.

[CallMeClark]

Now I have been praising this season to no end this year, however, this episode didn't beat Traveler for me... It seemed a bit slow and left too many cliffs... I gave it a 9.

[Krypton935]

10! i would have voted 20 but ... i expected a ten from the preview and this was double my expectations I can't belive this episode!! everything was wonderful!! my hands are still litteraly shaking its hard to type! I cant beleive this I think im in sho ck!

[MidgardDragon]

Great episode, great acting, great plot. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of losers out there rating it low because he didn't fly, and all I have to say is get over yourself. This is a mid-season episode, they took the finale elements out so he's not going to freaking fly and never was. Blame Space Channel for airing the misleading promo, no the show. It was just as good as Traveler, and people are pretty lame if they're not rating it at least a 7.

I gave it a 9.5/10

[kavalier]

I am in awe. Its no secret that Brian and Kelly are two of the best writers on Smallville (THE best IMO), but they managed to exceed my expectations tonight. I think Smallville tonight silenced all of its critics. That was undeniably a fantastic episode. There are numerous things I could say about it but I think the standout moment (and most should agree on this) was definitely Lionel's scene at the end with Chloe. That was singularly one of the best interactions I have ever seen on Smallville, ever.

Im a big fan of the show, and find things to love even in the episodes that are hardest to defend (yes Hero was a shameless marketing ploy and a poor way to bring Pete back, but I still find lots of things to enjoy about it). But only about once (maybe twice) a season are moments so good that they send involuntary chills up my spine and cause me to shout out loud from excitement. This episode had a couple of those moments. Obviously, Lionel and Chloes scene, but also the scene at the end where Braniac speaks through Lana to Clark "Kal-El youre too late."

This is classic Smallville folks! I dont want to see negative comments about this episode. This episode is above it! Give it the props it deserves. Brian and Kelly knocked it out of the park and I can barely wait for Descent now!

[MidgardDragon]

I am in awe. Its no secret that Brian and Kelly are two of the best writers on Smallville (THE best IMO), but they managed to exceed my expectations tonight. I think Smallville tonight silenced all of its critics. That was undeniably a fantastic episode. There are numerous things I could say about it but I think the standout moment (and most should agree on this) was definitely Lionel's scene at the end with Chloe. That was singularly one of the best interactions I have ever seen on Smallville, ever.

Im a big fan of the show, and find things to love even in the episodes that are hardest to defend (yes Hero was a shameless marketing ploy and a poor way to bring Pete back, but I still find lots of things to enjoy about it). But only about once (maybe twice) a season are moments so good that they send involuntary chills up my spine and cause me to shout out loud from excitement. This episode had a couple of those moments. Obviously, Lionel and Chloes scene, but also the scene at the end where Braniac speaks through Lana to Clark "Kal-El youre too late."

This is classic Smallville folks! I dont want to see negative comments about this episode. This episode is above it! Give it the props it deserves. Brian and Kelly knocked it out of the park and I can barely wait for Descent now!

I think you said it perfectly. As with Traveler at the end of the episodes when the credits rolled I found that my jaw had dropped and was hanging open.

[ginnyfan]

Well I have to watch again before I give my final vote but... Right now its about a 6/10. Lois, Jimmy and the Warrior Angel action figure were the highlights.

[spideyfan]

I read that it was being written as the season finale due to the writer strike therefore i expected more...did not live up to the expections

Pros:
Great story/flashback scenes
Veritas history
Lois/Jimmy
Superman - like action figure (little Lex)

Cons
Ending seemed abrupt and anti-climatic
CK puss

8/10

[MidgardDragon]

I read that it was being written as the season finale due to the writer strike therefore i expected more...did not live up to the expections

Pros:
Great story/flashback scenes
Veritas history
Lois/Jimmy
Superman - like action figure (little Lex)

Cons
Ending seemed abrupt and anti-climatic
CK puss

8/10

You should have read further, to discover that they took out many of the season finale elements because it had to be re-edited as a mid-season episode, not a finale.


CK puss

How intelligent and enlightened of you! Let's talk about he's a "girly man" now too. :rolleyes:

[Jack-El49]

10/10 - I thought Traveler was the best episode to date and it was just eclipsed big time. The only knock I have on the entire episode had to do with the marketing - WTF is up with CW saying "Tonight, Kara teaches Clark how to fly" and there's a 30-second sequence ending with Clark saying, "We're wasting time" and leaves. That really pissed me off but it had nothing to do with the episode, rather the way it was hyped.

Tying up the stones, the Veritas group, the past, and even drawing in Fracture when Lex says he has been remembering things since he was shot in Detroit, that's just great writing and pulled many previous seasons' plots into focus.

Just an outstanding episode all the way around.

[STFanatic]

OK then, I guess I am a loser. But I am not a Smallville apologist though.

After the excellent episode last week, I expected more.
And for Clark not to even attempt flying, but to chicken out it as LAME.
It was like.. "Oh I know every other Kryptonian can fly, but not me, I just can't do it ... boo-hoo"
Clark must have gotten the short end of the Kryptonian DNA.

The rest of the episode was pretty good, but not as well done as last week.

[loistickyfingerz]

I thought it was decent. Worthy of an 8. Some of the story seemed forced and awkward to me.

I'm glad it wasn't the season finale because I would have been disappointed.

The continuity from the pilot was very nice planning! I'm glad there will be a follow up sooner than later. Seeing Zombie Lana was fun.

[Bizarro345]

I gave it an eight. I liked it. Wasn't my fav episode this season but I liked it. Brainiac rules for doing that to Lana. I mean she did kill Biz.

[LoveHurts38]

I gave it a 9:)

Reason: Lois and Jimmy
Shelby
Lex becoming more evil:D
What's up with Chloe and Lionel on his knees
Clark just one word....When?

What I like was Lex playing with a Action super figure foreshadow like in S4 Lois having the dream of "the man with a red cape";) The two entwined with the future with Superman.

Okay, I will say the Lana scene was creepy and sad:(

[supesnumber1fan]

I give it a 7. It actually wasnt that bad compared to some of the recent episodes (exclude Traveler).

[quietone]

It was good enough. There was a lot of action but it seemed like nothing really happened.

I did like that they continued the Veritas theme from Traveler. And that the murder of Patricia Swann wasn't swept under the rug.Other good things were the return of Shelby, Young!Lex playing with the action figure, Jimmy and Lois working together, Lionel coming unglued (JG rocked!), Lex's assistant totally having the hots for him, Brainiac's back, and Clark's 'not helping' response to Kara during his flying lesson.

What I despised is yet another 'Lana's in peril' storyline and Clark feeling guilty about it.
Hasn't there been enough of those already? The final scene was very good though.

I really wanted to see more of Clark trying to learn how to fly. I'm sure that would have been good for some laughs.

What really bugs is that I wish we'd been given a clue as to why Brainiac needs Kara and who or what is coming that's so terrible.

Oh well at least that wasn't the season finale. And we don't have to wait months to find out what happens next.

[babyluthor]

There was a lot of hype for this episode so I had big expectations. I would say it was good, but not great.

So we have Lex trying to get whatever it is in the safe deposit box that will be able to control the traveler. We have Brainiac back and he has kinda kidnapped Kara into doing what he says. And Brainiac takes the life out of Lana.

At this point in the series I'm not really a fan of Lana, but I actually felt sympathy for her in this one. Even with the bad stuff she has done, I don't think she deserves that.

I liked the flashbacks to the childhood of Lex and Ollie, and the references to the Pilot episode. I also liked the scene between Lionel and Chloe.

The ending was very sad. What will be the fate of Lana? Guess we will have to wait to find out.

[Darth Pipes]

I voted 9/10. The first half was sluggish (and that included some bad dialogue during the flashback scene) but the second half was really, really strong. Glover again gives a knockout performance and if this had been the season finale, it would have been a good one to end things on. Good developments all around.

One thing though...while the Kara/Brianac scene had some great FX, the further away Kara gets from Earth's sun, the weaker she will become.

CW definitely mislead about Kara trying to teach Clark how to fly. I think it would have been a good scene for Clark to have tried to fly off to save her but fail miserably.

[supesnumber1fan]

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Oh well at least that wasn't the season finale. And we don't have to wait months to find out what happens next.

True

[dru-zod2501]

I gave it a 4 but it was closer to 5. Certainly didn't come close to beating Traveller.

it was just meh... the teaser was the best part, everything after it was 55 mins of blah. I already started a thread about how disappointed I was with Clark, in an episode without much Chloe she's still doing more hero work than Clark.

JG was on top of his game as usual, he was the heart of this episode no doubt. Rosenbaum too, I can't wait to see the end of Lex's fall now.

Lois & Jimmy, "the dynamic duo" nuff said

[xHerox]

As much as I wanted this episode to be perfect, I have to give it a '7'. I don't really know what it is, but for some reason this story arc is not completely interesting for me at this point. Still, I am very glad that the show is becoming more continuity-dependent, and there were some parts of this episode that I liked very much, but I really think the overall quality of both the previous episode and this one hinges on how the Veritas storyline concludes. So for now, I'm going to say I enjoyed the episode, but I think I may like it much more once the season concludes.

[curiosity]

I gave it a 9.

I loved the Lois scenes, dressed up with Jimmy, that was great, and investigating.

Lex investigating Veritas was also a plus.


However, Clark was not Super at all. And the Lana story just isn't interesting. Clark's entire involvement with Brianiac was all about Lana.

[kavalier]

Im hearing a lot of complaints about Clark being a wimp and not being super enough because he didnt fly. Does everything have to happen in one episode? They are obviously building up to Clark doing something huge...sounds they are buliding up to him actually flying! Thats should be enough to get us really excited. Dont complain just because it didnt happen in this episode. Having to wait for it will only make it sweeter. But dont doubt it...Clark's going to fly. I can feel it. They are definitely setting that up.

[monel49]

Bravissimo! Splendissimo! Tremendo! Excellentissimo! Way-cool-o! Gave it a 9.5 o! Really was a great episode for the way it began to draw together disparate plot threads from the past six seasons. Who would have thought that the whole season 4, Teague, witch, stones plot line would actually begin to make some sense with the explanation of the Veritas group?

Also, emotionally, this was an intense episode. We gripe a lot about Lana, but you gotta feel for her. Even she doesn't deserve the hell Braniac has put her in. All Clark's friends were involved in trying to figure out this gravest threat ever faced by Clark. Again, and I've said it before, John Glover is great at Lionel. Looks like he's going to be killed, by his own son, next ep and I for one will miss that character. Is he evil, or has he really been changed by being the vessel of Jor-el. Cool thing about this episode was the terrible trauma his past sins have caused him, how he has tried to repent, and now even the good guys don't believe him.

Way to go actors, writers, directors and producers. You sure are giving us the most consistent, dramatic, and intense season yet. Most series have jumped the shark by this point or are simply coasting. You folks keep mesmerizing us, proving once again that good storytelling is the greatest super power there is! Thanks!

[BadToad]

I gave it a 6. I might have been a bit more generous, but I was really expecting much more from it. And I was expecting to be Clark-centric, and it really wasn't, and that was a huge disappointment to me.

I thought the Lex part of the episode worked the best out of everything. And JM is always great as Brainiac.

I have to say though that as a viewer, and someone who likes Clark, I am really completely sick to death of the misery and guilt that is constantly heaped upon him. This is really not a character that should be steeped in so much darned doom and gloom. I can't even remember the last time that Clark actually seemed like a happy guy. The show has just become so unrelentingly dark, not only for the villian (which is fitting), but for the hero (which is, IMO, not).

This was sort of a letdown after the excellent Traveler.

[gbrewer83]

I gave this episode a 7/10. For the lack of anything. Smallville usually, for me anyways, gets better and better every season. I felt after the awesome Traveler episode this was going to be even better, but sadly it wasn't. This episode for all purposes was a cop out. Did I expect to see Clark actually fly, no, but did I expect to see him and Kara training and some funny mishaps of Clark falling while trying to fly, yes. Those things did not come to pass. Chloe and Clark seemed to be lacking big time in this episode that should have featured at least Clark very heavily. Lois and Jimmy were just awesome in this episode along with Rosenbaum and Mr. Glover, as usual. I guess I'm saying is this whole may be season finale or may not be, edited for mid-season episode did not live up to the hype or even a mid-season exciting show. Clark was extremly whimpy, Kara was heroic, Chloe barely used, Lex great story, Lionel great fall from grace, Lois and Jimmy super duo, Brainiac awesome as ever, and Lana finally gone for awhile(Glad Brainiac did what he did to her,trying not to bash poor little Lana too much.)in the end I hope this little mishap doesn't ruin a great season, and maybe it will lead to a good thing, such as DARKSEID coming for are favorite Kryptonian. Just one man's opion.

[savannah]

This was a great episode especially when Lana went all katatonic and said to Clark "Kal-el you are too late too late" that was a line that was heart breaking. Now i hope Clark does his training and finds out a way too get her back. Well at least learn how to fly!

[Skybound]

The CW gave us high hopes for this episode cause they said that clark would learn how to fly. FOR TWO SECONDS I HANTED TO THROW MY TV INTO THE WALL CAUSE IT WAS ALL A MARKETING PLOY!! CLARK DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO FLY!!!!!!!!!!

[SnowBird]

This episode was a very emotional one. I enjoyed all of the actors performances but the last scene was the best. I have watched every Smallville episode at least 5 times. I have followed the love story of Clark and Lana from the beginning. If anyone has ever been through the pain of seeing a loved one suffering, you can't help but be moved. If you can only be critical then you don't have a heart. Tom did a wonderful acting job of being a man who loves a woman deeply and feels the hurt beyond what seems a person can handle. I don't cry easily but I did this time. Before you scuff at what I have written, I will say that I have lost loved ones very close to me and I know the hurt that Clark and Chloe showed in the last scene. Tom and Allison did an excellent acting job. Smallville Rocks and I gave this episode an impressive 10.

[ClarkyBoy14]

10/10

Loved it.

My favorite part might be the flashback scene that ties into the pilot, and explains why Lionel really went to Smallville.

The only bad part? The next three weeks of waiting are going to be hell!

[jazel]

IT wasn't as epic, as they built it up to be.:(

[DravenX]

The 20 individuals who voted 10 are stupid.

KARA TEACHES CLARK HOW TO FLY
I expected to see him fly and they disappointed. This is one of the most disappointing episode in all 7 Seasons.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

I thought it was a great episode. Yes, I was expecting to see Clark TRY to fly. It did seem that after the hype, they ended up side stepping it.

What is up with Lionel?! I swear. I kept thinking that he was going to have a heart attack in the middle of his psychotically desperate pleas to be trusted. He looked like he was physically in pain when he was talking to Clark and to Chloe.

Chloe's spunk was amazing! In her scene with Lionel it is obvious, given her past with this Luthor, that she is SOOO over his crap. She is no longer even slightly intimidated by his clout. He was on his knees!!!!

I cried at the end. I admit that I have not been the biggest Lana story line fan, but Lana's character has done some major improving this season. I was heartbreaking at the end.

I gave it a 10.

[DravenX]

Im hearing a lot of complaints about Clark being a wimp and not being super enough because he didnt fly. Does everything have to happen in one episode? They are obviously building up to Clark doing something huge...sounds they are buliding up to him actually flying! Thats should be enough to get us really excited. Dont complain just because it didnt happen in this episode. Having to wait for it will only make it sweeter. But dont doubt it...Clark's going to fly. I can feel it. They are definitely setting that up.
They probably been setting it up since the frist episode 6 seasons ago.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

The 20 individuals who voted 10 are stupid.

I expected to see him fly and they disappointed. This is one of the most disappointing episode in all 7 Seasons.

Last time I checked, having different opinions does not make one "stupid".

[SteveS]

To me it was fairly good but not great. The hang-up over ClarkMan flying no longer flies with Brainiac, Kara, MM, assorted Kryptonians and even Kal-El having flown, it is very very old stuff to keep putting off. Had ClarkMan flown, the entire episode would have seemed better than him standing by impotently watching Kara and Brainiac flying off into space.

[j_sundude]

I shouted at my t.v. several times during this episode! The main reason being that Clark didn't fly or even attempt to. Plus there were alot of mistakes/plotholes.

1. Little Lex was spying in on Lionel, when Lionel was told how the Queens were just killed and he was giving the key. But yet, the headline in the newspaper already reported them missing and presumed dead. Why would Lionel's henchman wait until it was already common knowledge to tell Lionel and give him the key.

2. I remember from the first episode, that Lionel was reading the newspaper with the headline about the Queens as his helicopter landed in Smallville. But in tonight's episode he left it on the table after putting Lex's tie on. Little Lex even looked back at it, as if to say to the fans, "Check out this plothole!"

3. At the end of the episode Lana was whispering, "Kal-El" and Clark leaned in to hear her. Why does someone with superhearing have to lean in to hear a whisper?

[Jack-El49]

The 20 individuals who voted 10 are stupid.

I expected to see him fly and they disappointed. This is one of the most disappointing episode in all 7 Seasons.

Dear DravenX,

I was disappointed too cause I wanted to see Clark fly. I wish the CW had not billed this episode as Kara Teaches Clark to Fly. But that's the CW and their promo, not the story.

Sincerely,

Stupid individual # 14

[dru-zod2501]

I shouted at my t.v. several times during this episode! The main reason being that Clark didn't fly or even attempt to. Plus there were alot of mistakes/plotholes.

1. Little Lex was spying in on Lionel, when Lionel was told how the Queens were just killed and he was giving the key. But yet, the headline in the newspaper already reported them missing and presumed dead. Why would Lionel's henchman wait until it was already common knowledge to tell Lionel and give him the key.

2. I remember from the first episode, that Lionel was reading the newspaper with the headline about the Queens as his helicopter landed in Smallville. But in tonight's episode he left it on the table after putting Lex's tie on. Little Lex even looked back at it, as if to say to the fans, "Check out this plothole!"

3. At the end of the episode Lana was whispering, "Kal-El" and Clark leaned in to hear her. Why does someone with superhearing have to lean in to hear a whisper?

1: that's small compared to the other problems the episode had
2: see above. That would only be a problem if someone thought back hard enough to remember it. i bet most of us didn't make that connection right away.
3: it looked to me like he just put his head down in disappointment, not that he was straining to hear

[MRluvr]

Definately best ep of the season!!!!!! It was soooooo awesome!!!!

[SVfan4ever]

Actually I didn't want Clark to fly. I want Clark to do that himself, not have Kara teach him. So for me that was a plus. I loved how questions were answered and it made me ask more. This was a great episode, fantastic acting from everyone (JG rules), wonderful dialogue, made me want more. I was not disappointed. It doesn't beat Traveler, but it was up there with it. 9.5/10

[Spirit Detective]

I loved the mythos elements with Veritas and the flashbacks. Lois and Jimmy working together was also a plus. However, the only thing that bugged me was how everyone disregarded Lionel's warnings. It sort of felt like Reckoning where you wanted one thing to happen (such as Clark revealing his secret the second time and protecting Lana) but the it didn't happen. In this case, it was Lionel's warning. I really hope he reveals the secret to Veritas.

[ForzaItalia]

I thought the episode was okay until the ending. Then it became a huge let down.

You don't make a whhole episode about leading up to a character flying, without ever having him fly. That's just plain old lame.

[MidgardDragon]

The 20 individuals who voted 10 are stupid.

I expected to see him fly and they disappointed. This is one of the most disappointing episode in all 7 Seasons.

The 1 individual who claimed people who liked the episode enough to vote 10 are "stupid" is a loser.

The episode description has been misleading about a bazillion times, so what? They probably intended to have him fly when it was supposed to be the finale but didn't do it once they learned that they had 5 more episodes to shoot.

And if he didn't fly, and the episode was still good, you're saying that that somehow makes it a bad episode because of ONE element? Yes, please don't call me "stupid" when using logic like that. It makes you look, well, like the word you used.

[BWOracle]

I gave it a 9. Not quite up with Traveler but just a step behind.

I'm glad I read all of the Canadian postings last night. That way I was able to get rid of all my expectations based on some of the spoilers and episode descriptions about Clark's flying lessons and how the episode was meant to be the season finale if the writer's strike hadn't ended. I was able to judge the episode on it's own merits.

IMO It seems quite apparent that Clark's flying (or falling) wasn't edited out after the season was extended out to 20 episodes. The scene had very few cuts in it and didn't look like anything was missing (but come on Clark start flying already).

I thought the episode had among the best pacing of any Smallville episode. Everything flowed and no scene was too short or too long and built to the right ending with some good cliffhangers.

There was a lot of great acting tonight especially JG, TW, MR, AM, and James Marsters. KK was nicely creepy.

The flashback scenes were awesome (only I think Lionel forgot to pick up the newspaper before flying off to Smallville). I like how you get a brief glimpse of Virgil Swann without being too overt or disrespectful of Chris Reeve. And Patty Swann cheats at Hide and Seek. Nobody's perfect.

Lois and Jimmy were cute (I thought ED looked good in the gardening outfit). I loved the Big Headline space on her monitor.

It was hard not to be convinced by Lionel's pleas. I mean Lionel's too proud to get on his knees for anyone unless he was truly repetent.

I loved the long panning shot of the Daily Planet building from the bottom up to the top of the globe.

Unfortunately, when Brainiac and Kara flew off, it made Clark look a little pathetic (again, get your a$$ in the air already).

And the last scene was really touching. Clark's had enough angst for any immortal lifetime.

The next episode looks really promising but it looks pretty obvious that the MB is a goner.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

Ok, stupid question, but what does MB mean? I have seen that a lot on this forum and can't figure it out.

[MidgardDragon]

IMO It seems quite apparent that Clark's flying wasn't edited out after the season was extended out to 20 episodes. The scene had very few cuts in it and didn't look like anything was missing (but come on Clark start flying already).

TV shows do it all the time, making scenes that were originally intended to be longer blend seamlessly. There were a few times when the cameras switched up that would have been very easy to overlay a different take onto. If you noticed the edit then the editors would not be doing their job, which is why you nor anyone else would/should notice.

[kentfamily]

I gave it a 9. I thought some of the cliff hangers were really well put. I teared up when I saw CK cry at the end, it made me tear even more when Chloe was crying and hurting for her friend CK. Very powerful....

[Mar-El]

I gave the episode a 7.

I saw it Wednesday night and saw it again tonight. I was originally going to give it an 8, but I was just pretty disappointed with this episode. Seeing it again drove that point home.

It was by no means a bad episode. It had some great elements. I loved the Lois/Jimmy scenes. I loved the Veritas flashbacks. There was some great continuity in this episode and pretty much what we expected in terms of the whole Veritas conspiracy. You have to give the writers credit for writing some great scenes.

I loved John Glover's performance and his scenes with Chloe are always particularly exceptional.

What I didn't like...

We just got Kara back and she's already gone again?

And I don't care what other fans on this forum say. I was very disappointed with the "flight" scene, especially given the misleading episode descriptions prior to this. Clark portrayed a poor attitude throughout. And some of you may say, so what? So what?! This is a friggin opinion poll! I'm allowed to have my opinion. So what, being misled may not seem like a big deal to some but to others it is. Same goes for Clark learning how to fly :rolleyes:

I can't believe that people's ratings in this thread are actually getting rated by other users. What the heck is that all about? It actually surmounts to bullying, IMO. If someone feels this episode deserves a 1, then by all means, give it a 1, because that's your opinion. Others, including myself, may not agree with your assessment, but I don't disagree with your right to make it. Others will tell you that it's an "uninformed" assessment and basically chalk it up to trolling. That's rubbish. It's an opinion. So then why have the 1 option as well?

Should we just get rid of the lower rating options and only have people vote for 10? Isn't that like a voting ballot with only one name on it?

Utterly ridiculous.

Okay, back to my thoughts...
I didn't care much for Lana getting hurt. It would have been better if she went to Aunt Nell's or something for the remaining five episodes. Now we have the possibility of dealing with a guilt-ridden Clark.

Like I said, the episode isn't bad. It's just average, in MY opinion. If others here don't like it and feel I should "possess" a different opinion, too bad.

[STFanatic]

Ok, stupid question, but what does MB mean? I have seen that a lot on this forum and can't figure it out.

Check out this area (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61706) in the Help Desk forum ;)

[MidgardDragon]

I can't believe that people's ratings in this thread are actually getting rated by other users. What the heck is that all about? It actually surmounts to bullying, IMO. If someone feels this episode deserves a 1, then by all means, give it a 1, because that's your opinion. Others, including myself, may not agree with your assessment, but I don't disagree with your right to make it. Others will tell you that it's an "uninformed" assessment and basically chalk it up to trolling. That's rubbish. It's an opinion. So then why have the 1 option as well?

Should we just get rid of the lower rating options and only have people vote for 10? Isn't that like a voting ballot with only one name on it?

Utterly ridiculous.

The difference in the 4 and under ratings and the 7 and up ratings is that most people will post telling you WHY they rated it a 10, while those who rate it a 1 RARELY post in a thread to actually defend their position.

Also, you'll note that it was people who rated it a 10 who were called "STUPID" earlier in the thread.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

Yeah, I pretty much felt like being called "stupid" for my opinion was utterly ridiculous!

[Mar-El]

Also, you'll note that it was people who rated it a 10 who were called "STUPID" earlier in the thread.

No argument there. That person who called people who rated it 10 "stupid" had no right to do so, and those people who rated it 10 therefore had a right to defend themselves against such an immature allegation.

And maybe the 4 and under ratings don't say anything because they know if they do, they'll just get bashed into silence? Sometimes it's easier just to click the button and vote instead of having to defend yourself against a majority of fans who are eager to tell you how wrong your opinion is.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

Check out this area (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61706) in the Help Desk forum ;)


THANKS!!!!!

[STFanatic]

Perhaps the people who rated it below a high score do not want to be attacked for their opinion.

For either case I do want to encourage the use of the Report Button.

[Karafan1]

I gave it a 9 out of 10..It would have been 10 if Clark had flown at all..Clark crash landing or flying into stuff would've made me give it a 10 but he didn't fly like the spoilers said he would

[do3mire]

It was a boring episode. I thought with the write-up and it being a "former season finale", there would have been a lot more. The story just didn't seem to go anywhere.

Lex's memories filling in the Veritas history was unnecessary. We already knew as much from Patricia Swann last week in Traveler.

And, Lionel was like, I dunno. I wanted to shout at him "Just f*cking say it, man!" It was like totally OOC for me. OK, I get he's desperate but the dialog with Chloe was really horrible. I mean he already failed to tell Clark. Why did the writers make him fail again with Chloe? What's the point?

There was some enjoyable fluff with Lois and Jimmy. Iconic to be sure but they spent a lot of screentime with these 2 just so Jimmy could show Lionel the morgue photo of Patricia Swann and the marks on her neck. Ooooookaayy?

The only things worth watching was (1) JM as Brainiac. I'm sorry LV fans, but JM simply blew her away in their scenes together, and (2) Lana and Clark. Poor Clark. :(

I gave it a 5.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

I gave it a 9 out of 10..It would have been 10 if Clark had flown at all..Clark crash landing or flying into stuff would've made me give it a 10 but he didn't fly like the spoilers said he would

I totally cracked up when Kara tried to nudge his arm and he turned around and said something like "You're really not helping." Tom's expression was hilarious. It will be funny when they explore that more!

[LoisL]

I gave it a 9 for totally intriguing. I found myself gasping, shocked, stunned, reeling from the Lana/Brainiac scene (even though I'd already been spoilered about 3 weeks in advance) but I really thought she was going to die there. And was scared! Sad, even. :confused: Now when is the last time I actually reacted to a much used Lana-being-the-victim scene? Not in a long time. But I guess because the end of the series is so near now, I can't help feeling trepidation for all of the characters.

I would've given the ep a full 10 if Clark actually attempted to fly but the scene was still cute. Eppie was definitely a set-up for the next. So many questions I'm waiting on. And I'm still scared.

p.s. oh yeah! how bout them 'planted' investigating team? was grinning like crazy. great to have Lois back in action, even if the Lois-vage was totally unexpected.

[yosemiteangel]

I liked it except for Clark wimping out on the flight thing. He could have at least tried to fly. Just once.

[faz]

I docked it a few points for the whole Clark not even trying to fly part (I would've given him credit if he'd at least put some effort into it) and the fact that I expected a lot more since it was suposed to be a "season finale". I know there's only so much they can do to make it that way, but it seemed like any normal episode in that regard. Otherwise, it was a good episode, not as good as last week but left a lot of promise for future episdoes.

[kentfamily]

I liked the song that went with the end. What was the song and group?:)

[Black Man of Steel]

Although there were some great scenes in this episode (like the intro scene, Kara and Brainiac flying into space, etc) I don't think this episode was that great. I think it suffered, structure wise and (to me) it's noticeable that the episode was "cut up" since it was no longer going to be the season finale. They touched on so many things this episode, like a finale usually does but it's like the episode ended half way through the show.

[jazel]

Great episode, great acting, great plot. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of losers out there rating it low because he didn't fly, and all I have to say is get over yourself.

Calling anybody a LOSER, is NOT cool. Possibly an offense, to starting "flaming" wars. WHY can't you "appreciate" that some fans just may see things differently, from you ? They are a loser, because of that ?:(
But YOU, with YOUR high opinion, of your OWN opinions, is beyond comprehending that ?:p
You NEED to treat ALL people, with respect.
I used to enjoy reading your posts, but you yourself took care of that.

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If you break it down, Veritas sucked.:lol:

[Xanderman]

Well said Jasmine (yeah Matt's a full-time flamer these days it seems...). And hells yeah Veritas sucked. heh

[Morgoroth]

hey guys..i'm new to the forum thingy,but a kryptonsite user for years now(u rock!)
i gave it a 7..
good: nice cliff with brainiac and kara flying into space...
ok ending with clana ~but i'm bored of this relationship for years now:p~
nice jimmy and lois moments
good veritas background/story implemented
bad: clark NOT flying & NOT even trying..wtf..IT'S TIME ALREADY!
a lot of things were left out..but i guess it's because of the next 5 ep..that were not
initially in the prospect.
i've wanted a clark/brainiac fight :eek: but i think i must wait a few weeks for that

in the end i've seen better and worse..'til next time up,up and awaaaayy.. :lol:

[LuckyLois]

I gave it an 8. I thought the acting was really good, and as usual the episodes are never long enough for me. I want Clark to fly too but it is like he is being held back by his emotions. Also I think Lana being hurt is the only way Clark is going to finally do something about his destiny! He is her only hope! As for Lionel not picking up the newspaper, he is a billionaire, I'm sure there is another copy on the helicopter! The worst part is having to wait a few more weeks for the next episode. Loved seeing Lois and Jimmy. I didn't like that the next episode showed Lex pushing Lionel out the window. I thought it is giving away too much!!

[Morgoroth]

I didn't like that the next episode showed Lex pushing Lionel out the window. I thought it is giving away too much!!

it's all about the tv ratings ..i'm expecting for lionel not 2 die..just because it's to obvious from the clip;)

[Jaderoyale]

I wasn't looking forward to this episode, after the clips i'd seen of Lana and the end Clana scene.
But.
Wow.
I'm in awe.
It was absolutely excellent. This would have made, an amazing season finale, it really would. It was almost like one.
Brainiac as usual, had in me in awe. James Marsters excelled himself as usual, he is by far the best actor they could have chosen for Brainiac. But i've liked James since his Buffy days, so i guess i'm a little biased.

Clark not flying, was a bit of a let down. But i guess we knew that was going to happen.
The Clana scene, was the most emotional scene, i can remember watching in SV for a while. I was in tears. Again. It was so sad. And Chloe just standing in the doorway crying, while she saw Clark. Even though we guessed what was going to happen to Lana, it was still shocking, and a horrible thing to happen to any character on SV.

The acting by all actors was superb, as usual.
I was going to give it a 10 (my second of S7).
But i'm going to dock half a point for Clark chickening out on the flying. Lol. And the other half for making me cry :lol:
It was excellent. But hasn't scored as high as Traveler for me.

[griffolyon12]

I loved the episode, but it never seemed like it really climaxed, it just seemed like it was setting up what is to come in the last five episodes, which I'm fine with that. My only minor complaint is I spent the whole episode waiting to see Clark fly, just maybe for a few seconds and fall, or even him being pushed by Kara out off the loft and him hovering above the ground, but they didn't do anything, and the episode's description made it sound like Clark was going to at least attempt to fly, which he never did in the episode.

Still I really liked this episode and give it a 10/10!

[Izzysand]

Alright, I must say, I really liked this episode. I'm glad I skipped work to watch it. Now, yes, I am dissapointed with Clark not flying or attempting to after all the hype, but I guess like some of you have said, being that this was not going to be the season finale anymore, I'm sure they had to cut the part of him attempting to fly and saving it till the actual season finale. Still I was very mad that he didn't go after Kara and Braniac, Come On CLARK You looked like an impotent wus, I didn't like that at all he made me so mad. But I can understand why they had to change some elements. The Veritas Story had good connections to some of the questions this show has had for awhile. Ok, so he left the newspaper behind, it could be possible that the had another one in his briefcase or in the helicopter.

Now the actors, JG the Main MB, He is one of hell of an actor, I have always enjoyed the way he has played Lionel and let me tell you, he did a superb job in this episode and if he dies, it will be sad to see him go. AM, My Girl, her scene with JG was one of the best in Smallville in a long time and her crying in the end for Lana actually made me sad. LV did a good job as always and she looked so pretty.. JM, as far as villains go, I think Braniac has been one of my favorites and I'm glad he is back on the show and what a great job he did. TW good acting last night the scene with KK was good and you can see the chemistry there even if she was all catatonic and stuff. Oh and MR, always good as Lex and I finally get to see you go super evil soon. I've been waiting for this day.

The special effects with Kara and Braniac Flying into space was really good, I was really impressed by it. The beggining was also good too. The flashback scenes were very good. Overall a good episode, Traveler was better but not by much.

I give this episode a 9, only because it was cut and Clark didn't fly. I hope that when the season 7 dvd's come out that they include the original cut of Veritas.

[Guidron]

I've got some mixed feelings on this episode. I thought Braniac's role was pretty good and James played it really well. However, a lot of the writing seemed sloppy, and while some will find the ending scene with Clark and Lana touching, I felt it was forced and completely unnecessary. That and the whole Lana dressed in white with the angel statue just made me roll my eyes. After everything that's gone on, the LAST think Lana needs to be compared to is an Angel.

The part with Kara teaching Clark to fly felt like we got completely cheated. I wasn't expecting him to actually do it, but the fact that he never even tried was a total rip off. They hyped it up and then as someone said, completely side stepped it.

Lionel seemed very out of character tonight too. He seemed to really over act some of his scenes and he felt more frantic than desperate (I know, it's a fine line).

Overall the concepts of the episode were good, but I think they were poorly executed this time around. A lot may have to do with the fact that the episode seemed Extremely short, and according to someone that timed it in another thread came in at just under 40 minutes. That's pretty sad for an episode that was supposed to be this season's finale. I really hope that the next few episodes make up for the shortcomings of this one.

[Jaded Wolf]

9/10. This episode was of course not as action packed as last weeks. However, the story was good and the drama was well-done. It sucks Kara is once again gone but I hope that just furthers the plot along for the season. I was really hoping to see Clark fly but I also understand that at this point Clark is still inpatient. I almost laughed when Kara placed her hands on Clark's elbows like she was about to push him out the barn. :rotfl: Even though I don't like Lana on this one it was shocking to see Braniac shut her down. I suppose to leaves Kristen Kreuk to do her other projects. This will be interesting to see if this will propel Clark further to embracing what we know is coming. "Descent" looks like it will be another good one.

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Great episode, great acting, great plot. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of losers out there rating it low because he didn't fly, and all I have to say is get over yourself. This is a mid-season episode, they took the finale elements out so he's not going to freaking fly and never was. Blame Space Channel for airing the misleading promo, no the show. It was just as good as Traveler, and people are pretty lame if they're not rating it at least a 7.

I gave it a 9.5/10

People can rate whatever they please and should not be classified as one or the other if they don't live up to your expectations. Quit being the rating moderator.

[Super Maverick]

this episode sucked what a ripoff i thought they said clark would fly~!!!!!!!

[Devo]

I’ve been a superman fan from the original Christopher Reeve movie, and I’ve been watching Smallville ever since it started just because it’s referring to Superman.

But I’m getting so tired of predictable crap that I could get my 3 year old to write better. Too many meteor freaks, so easy to touch kryptonite in different ways to either be Mr. Fantastic, electro man, walk through walls guy, invisible guy, change your age, make you convince people with hand shake, heal people.. I could go on FOREVER..

Why doesn’t Clark handle REAL life world problems like missing kids, terrorists, robbery, anything but supernatural stuff? I mean some episodes were GREAT like Ryan or the First Red, but enough of the green stuff is enough already.

Now on to todays show. First off the DESCRIPTION was Kara Teaches Clark how to fly. Not that she fly’s around a barn and says “It’s as easy as that”, and 2 seconds later he says “This is a waste of time”. AT LEAST at the stupid ending Chloe should have told Clark that satellites picked 2 fast moving objects leaving earth’s atmosphere and heading here (Some place in space). Then when that nice music was playing and the trying to be artistic shot of Clark leaning on Lana, it should have faded to him at the barn trying to jump out of his barn and failing to fly. Falling to the ground crying or some sappy puss stuff, that might of saved the ending a bit.

Oh and come on Kara can only follow the rules of Superman, and since she gets her powers from our Yellow Sun how in all that is holy can she appear to fly outside our galaxy with Spike?? Oh and I do love Spike in this, he plays a great Brainiac.

But in the end all I can do is complain, nothing will change and I will still continue to watch, because hey it’s Superman.

[Mars Investigations]

I’ve been a superman fan from the original Christopher Reeve movie, and I’ve been watching Smallville ever since it started just because it’s referring to Superman.

But I’m getting so tired of predictable crap that I could get my 3 year old to write better. Too many meteor freaks, so easy to touch kryptonite in different ways to either be Mr. Fantastic, electro man, walk through walls guy, invisible guy, change your age, make you convince people with hand shake, heal people.. I could go on FOREVER..

Why doesn’t Clark handle REAL life world problems like missing kids, terrorists, robbery, anything but supernatural stuff? I mean some episodes were GREAT like Ryan or the First Red, but enough of the green stuff is enough already.

Now on to todays show. First off the DESCRIPTION was Kara Teaches Clark how to fly. Not that she fly’s around a barn and says “It’s as easy as that”, and 2 seconds later he says “This is a waste of time”. AT LEAST at the stupid ending Chloe should have told Clark that satellites picked 2 fast moving objects leaving earth’s atmosphere and heading here (Some place in space). Then when that nice music was playing and the trying to be artistic shot of Clark leaning on Lana, it should have faded to him at the barn trying to jump out of his barn and failing to fly. Falling to the ground crying or some sappy puss stuff, that might of saved the ending a bit.

Oh and come on Kara can only follow the rules of Superman, and since she gets her powers from our Yellow Sun how in all that is holy can she appear to fly outside our galaxy with Spike?? Oh and I do love Spike in this, he plays a great Brainiac.

But in the end all I can do is complain, nothing will change and I will still continue to watch, because hey it’s Superman.

There hasn't been a great deal of krypto-freaks since at the first two, maybe three seasons. And most people watch shows like these to get away from reality - seeing Clark deal with terrorists and the like would ruin the show for many (including me) because that's not what Smallville, or Superman for that matter, is about. And the only supernatural themes died out in Season Four (excluding one-off episodes such as "Thirst" and "Tomb").

The description was false advertising, and that annoyed me too. But having Clark failing to fly at the end would have degraded the scene with Lana - she's been in the show since the very beginning. She deserves a proper ending.

As for Kara flying, she's probably got a lot of solar energy stored up in her cells. Kryptonian bodies are like batteries with the yellow Sun - they don't just use the energy, they store it as well. So she'd be able to use her powers outside of the Solar System for a limited amount of time.

[BadToad]

Maybe the mods might consider this thread a non-debate thread? Sort of like, just post your rating and opinion, and take debate to the other threads? Just an idea :)

[The Great Ymmij]

I liked it a lot. Continuity was like none other in this episode. If it weren't for the misleading of Clark's flying lessons, I would've given it a 10. I gave it a 9 instead.

[skylar]

The episode was alright. I gave it a 7. It was disappointing not to see him fly even when the promoted on TV.

[All about Clark]

I've got some mixed feelings on this episode. I thought Braniac's role was pretty good and James played it really well. However, a lot of the writing seemed sloppy, and while some will find the ending scene with Clark and Lana touching, I felt it was forced and completely unnecessary. That and the whole Lana dressed in white with the angel statue just made me roll my eyes. After everything that's gone on, the LAST think Lana needs to be compared to is an Angel.

The part with Kara teaching Clark to fly felt like we got completely cheated. I wasn't expecting him to actually do it, but the fact that he never even tried was a total rip off. They hyped it up and then as someone said, completely side stepped it.

Lionel seemed very out of character tonight too. He seemed to really over act some of his scenes and he felt more frantic than desperate (I know, it's a fine line).

Overall the concepts of the episode were good, but I think they were poorly executed this time around. A lot may have to do with the fact that the episode seemed Extremely short, and according to someone that timed it in another thread came in at just under 40 minutes. That's pretty sad for an episode that was supposed to be this season's finale. I really hope that the next few episodes make up for the shortcomings of this one.

Wow, you stated exactly what I was feeling. All episode long I kept waiting for something significant of a story and it never happened, I was hugely disappointed. I gave it a 7, although I'm not sure it desired it.

[smallvillelogan]

If I was a casual fan of Smallville, I would probably give it a 7 or an 8.
However, as a big fan, I will still give it a 9 for the revelations via flashbacks. The flashbacks are always welcome in this show.

Clark not trying to fly was SO disappointing. At least TRY TO FLY, you idiot! I have almost never been as hard on Clark as a BDA as other fans, but this moment where he didn't even try left me so disappointed.

Lex's flashbacks were very intriguing. It opened up a lot of backstory that ties a lot of things together since the pilot.
I have decided that I hate BrainIAC. Not that he is a bad character, but as far as my involvement goes in the show, I hate him. He takes away Kara, and who knows the fate of Lana. I'm so sad to see Kara gone again. I'm afraid she might be united with Darkseid, like in a 2001 comics story.

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There is just no way that this episode can get a 10 though, in my opinion. Too short, and I don't like what is happening to Lana.

[Mars Investigations]

I liked it a lot. Continuity was like none other in this episode. If it weren't for the misleading of Clark's flying lessons, I would've given it a 10. I gave it a 9 instead.

Sorry, my bad. :o

[Mrs_Tom_Welling]

it was sooooooooooooooo good:D What happend to Lana!

[Este]

I gave it a 7. I love Smallville, was so excited after "Traveler" that they were setting up a new Clark centered storyline, but this episode came off as a disappointment. I guess the fact that they cut some scenes should be taken into account, but I can only judge by what I saw.
There were some great things. I loved the Clark/Lionel and Lionel/Chloe confrontations. John Glover did a terrific job. The flashbacks were interesting. Again, I enjoyed watching Lionel.
But even then, the dialogue leading to a flashback scene or immediately following felt contrived to me. I felt that Lex's assistant, at times, was there to just tell us, the viewers, and without much subtlety, what we needed to know.
I am not a Lana hater, but this whole drama centered on her character was just too too much. I mean, come on : Clark rushing away again with Lana's name on his lips, Kara's "It's the only way to save Lana", Brainiac's "Oh, but I'm afraid that she is suffering" and "Did I mention that Lana is in excruciating pain." Well, that was too much for me. He hurt her. That scene was very effective. But putting more and more layers to it turned me off. The last scene was beautifully acted, though.
I didn't much like Laura Vandervoort acting. She just kept shifting from one foot to another. If it is impatience to act that she wanted to show, maybe there are better ways to enact it? But I guess I'm impartial towards her ; I don't like the entire Kara storyline.
Clark, well... I didn't expect him to fly, but to try, yes. As I expected him to try to stop Brainiac the first and the second times. As I expected him to try to listen to a desperate man, even if that man is called Luthor and has hurt him. Yep, I expected him to try. He didn't do much in this episode, really, and it disappointed me a lot. Clark's character is starting to get boring for me.
And the last thing, to stop this unending stream of complaining of mine :p
John Glover was fine, but Lionel's lines to Chloe : "I'm a different man because I have been given a gift. I have been chosen by Jor-el to serve him," made me laugh aloud. I stopped the video, said "This is awful," and considered for a moment ending this whole Smallville experience right there. I don't know how those lines sounded to you, but I have rarely heard such a contrived piece of dialogue.

[KT88]

gave this episode a nine.... extremely disappointed with the whole flying bit, if an attempt isn't even going to be made, then the CW shouldn't adverise it. Granted, I do realize that now with the writers stike over (thank god) that was probably something they wanted for a finale, which Veritas is no longer. Can't wait to see how they follow this one up though! :)

[Misstaken]

Long time reader, first post.

I have to say I was a little disappointed with Veritas. Travaler was such a great and action filled episode I kept hoping for the same thing in Veritas. I wanted to see Lex seek the second key, I wanted to know why Brainiac took Kara with him. All these questions were left unanswered by the end of the episode. I guess they will be answered in the next few episodes (at least I hope so).

I was under the impression that if they had cut out Lana's storyline, it would've made room for more action. The Lana scenes were just too slow for the pace of this episode IMO. Don't get me wrong, KK did good, but it just felt different.
I know they had to ''send her away'' because KK has some other projects, but as someone mentionned, a coma/catatonic state is not the way to clear the table for Clark to become SM. It's like with her being in a coma/catatonic state, it brings too much unresolved stuff.

Aside from this... this episode was GREAT. The opening scene was as good as last week's, or if not, really close to. I simply loooove Brainiac, JM is a treat to watch. He delivers his lines so well and really makes us believe he is Brainiac. I especially liked how he pushed Clark and Kara away.
Jimmy and Lois were terrific. They have a lot of ''working partner'' chemistry. I'm glad they finally gave a job with substance to Lois, although I found the email about Patricia Swann's death was an easy way to jumpstart her story.
Chloe did really great, especially with her scene with Lionel. I found her a little too harsh. She's usually such a great judge of character...I mean... Lionel was on his knees!!
Speaking of Lionel, he did an incredible job in this episode At first, his acting seemed a little over the top, but it quickly became touching and I really felt his pain when no one wanted to listen to him.

As for the flying thing... I wasn't bothered at all that Clark didn't try to fly when he was in the barn. Trying to fly and failing would be rough on his pride, and he's obviously not as close to Kara as he was with Jonathan and Martha (when he tried to control heat vision or super hearing), so failing in front of her couldn't have been an option. Plus, she kept saying ''it's easy, it's easy''. Those words just put so much pressure on you; like if you fail, it's worse because someone told you it was easy and you weren't able to deliver.
However, he should've tried to follow Kara and Brainiac into the sky when he was on the DP rooftop. The fact that he didn't, that pissed me off. Instead, he went to see Lana and drowned in guilt and passiveness, which really bothered me.

That being said, I would've given this episode a 8, but that would be unfair since that opinion would be based on my expectations rather than the quality of the episode. So I gave it a 9.

[Lex3]

Why is everybody assuming Lana's dead? That really gets me! Sure, she might be taking a break, but Clark can still find a way to bring her back, right? RIGHT???!!!

[All about Clark]

Follow Kara and Braniac to do what . . . he didn't know where or what they were doing. Exactly what could you expect. Some sort of mid-flight battle. And for what, for Braniac to hurt someone else.

Sorry, just had to voice that.

[Misstaken]

Follow Kara and Braniac to do what . . . he didn't know where or what they were doing. Exactly what could you expect. Some sort of mid-flight battle. And for what, for Braniac to hurt someone else.

Sorry, just had to voice that.

IMO Clark should've tried flying at that time. I mean, how can he be not concerned about what will happen to Kara? Brainiac is usually up to no good.

I know that he couldn't have followed them far away in the universe, but I would've liked Clark to have a more receptive body language in that whole scene. Instead of standing idly by he should've tried to fly. I get why he hasn't tried flying in he barn... but now with Kara going away with Brainiac, isn't it time for him to ''save the day'' instead of being passive?

Also, hypothetically, if Clark had the ability to fly he could have followed them. I mean, Kara didn't know where to go. Yes she started flying before Brainiac, but she stopped and let him lead the way. If Clark knew how to fly, he could've followed him too.

With all that being said, I still know why he didn't attempt to follow them. It's a TV show, not a movie, and they need material for the following episodes. If Clark takes care of the problem right away, they have to come up with another story. That's why Clark makes mistakes and spends half his time correcting the situation.

[Devo]

Don't forget hero, where Pete became Mr Fantastic from Fantastic 4..
Chloe's healing power..

But again off topic.. Yes this season has had good episodes, but some are getting so bad..

And yes I do think people would want to see Clark deal with human things, he's in a human world.. Also his #1 arch enemy is human after all.. Lex Luthor.. The original movie was about Lex trying to aquire "Land"..

Seeing chloe tell clark about different things and people going on around the world, helping him figure it out while trying to save it would be so much better and HARDER to mess up with bad scenes and dialog.. They try to hard to throw in complex things that have been used through out the last 40 years in the comics, usually they get it wrong and/or mess it up..

Just been watching this for 7 seasons and haven't said anything and wanted to voice my 2 cents with other fans of the man of steel..

Cheers..

[smallvillelogan]

John Glover was fine, but Lionel's lines to Chloe : "I'm a different man because I have been given a gift. I have been chosen by Jor-el to serve him," made me laugh aloud. I stopped the video, said "This is awful," and considered for a moment ending this whole Smallville experience right there. I don't know how those lines sounded to you, but I have rarely heard such a contrived piece of dialogue.

I found Lionel saying that to explain much of his "good" intentions in the last three seasons. I have always been confused as to Lionel's intentions, and whether what he was doing was for his or Jor-El's benefit, but was this dialogue, I think it reveals the main center of all of Lionel's intentions since the beginning of Season 5.

Still, with that said, he serves his own purposes at times, despite being Jor-El's vessel. Ex: threatening Clark's secret in 'Reckoning,' which led to Jonathan Kent's death. Lionel threatened Jonathan and his family there because he wanted payment for his financing of part of the campaign.

So, Lionel's motives aren't always selfless, but overall, since he has been the emissary, they have been selfless, for the most part, and I think this dialogue cleared that up.

[skizzo]

I'm giving the episode a 6.

I liked the Lex/Lionel interactions but everything else what pretty much mediocre. I didn't find the Kara/Brainiac story very interesting and I absolutely hated what they did to Lana. I know they had to send her away, but this will be the final nail in the coffin on her personality. Just as she was on the right track again by helping Clark and finding peace again, something like this happens which is sure to traumatize her even more than she has been.

[Humdinger]

I gave it 7/10. No props for Clark not flying, or at least attempting it. I was pleased with the flashbacks, and the tying up of P. Swann's death; at least we know for sure she's gone. Glover's and Mack's performances were outstanding, though I think some of the dialogue was lame. There was very little that was light about this episode - agree with some who posted that Clark trying to fly and failing might have provided a laugh or two, IMO that could have lightened things a little.

So they just drop Lois back in the newsroom with no explanation, -1; still no explanation or revelation of Grant's death, -1; why would Lionel give his key to Lana?, -1.

I'm not a Lana fan, but it was sad to see what happened to her. Even if it's a device to get KK out of the series for a while.

[Martin le Magicien]

It was a decent episode, but I think what I hate with a passion is again how inactive Clark is.

What's the best way to be sure Brainiac isn't gonna hurt anyone anymore ? To kill him. It's a machine, it doesn't matter. Clark is not even trying to fight him. He just stares untill Brainiac flies away with his cousin.

Chloe did all the thinking, again. Seeing Lionel crying was lame, I thought it was a bit overplayed by JG. Now we know that Clark was expected for very long. How can you know a planet will explode and that a baby from there will crash on Earth ? It doesn't make sense.

I loved the Lois and Jimmy interaction, even though the way they do journalism is pretty lame. I liked the continuity from last episode. I didn't like that a future Superman wouldn't toss his fear aside so he could master an ability that could save lives. Lex was great, as usual. And I couldn't care less what happens to Lana, it's not a dramatic situation that makes me feel something anymore. She was injured, dying or dead so many times that it's amazing she isn't completly insane by now.

[smallvillelogan]

still no explanation or revelation of Grant's death, -1


PLOT HOLE! You can argue that Lois doesn't know because Lex can keep it hidden since he owns the Daily Planet now, but it still bugs me.

[Kal26]

For now I'll just say that I liked it very much. I think it was a great episode to build up to something huge that's going to go down before the end of the season. I wasn't as happy with it as I was the last episode, but it takes lows to build to highs, which is what we saw happen with the two episodes before.

I was very excited to see more detail into the Veritas organization. That helped to explain a lot about Lionel's helping the Kents with Clark's adoption imo. I figured there would be no way that Kryptonians could have been coming here, and in some cases living here for as long as they had, without scientific minds picking up on what was going on.

I wanted to see Clark fly so freakin' bad I couldn't stand it, and I guess that's exactly why they're going to hold out on us. :D

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PLOT HOLE! You can argue that Lois doesn't know because Lex can keep it hidden since he owns the Daily Planet now, but it still bugs me.


That's what I was assuming. Lex fired him, so there really would be no explanation needed if he didn't show up for work other than that. However, they quit dating because of the job, so you'd think that she would be trying to track him down to get back with him now that work isn't an obstacle. We've seen things go unsaid on this show, only to get explained later, so I'll hold out to pass judgment, but it is a good point.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

This episode was just as good as last week! I wasnt at all disappointed that Clark didnt fly. I was relieved. I kepted on thinking that he was going to jump off and land on the ground just like Clark in "Lois and CLark" when he lost his memory. I think I will be ready for Clark to fly next season!

It was creepy, interesting, shocking, and heartbreaking. This is probably the first episode my heart just sank for Clark and in the bad situation he is in. How is he going to get out of this one? I cant wait to find out....at least it is all starting to make sense!

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What's the best way to be sure Brainiac isn't gonna hurt anyone anymore ? To kill him. It's a machine, it doesn't matter. Clark is not even trying to fight him. He just stares untill Brainiac flies away with his cousin.



Clark is afraid to go after Brainic because he is the only one that is able to fix Lana. And last time he didnt destroy him, he just temporaily stopped. Clark has to stop and think and not do anything rash that will put anymore innocent people in danger.

[smallvillelogan]

Clark is afraid to go after Brainic because he is the only one that is able to fix Lana. And last time he didnt destroy him, he just temporaily stopped. Clark has to stop and think and not do anything rash that will put anymore innocent people in danger.

Is BrainIAC necessarily the ONLY one that can fix Lana? He said that no HUMAN can fix her. Perhaps if Clark does something, like listen to Jor-El, then maybe Jor-El could bring her out of her comatose state.

[STFanatic]

I haven't came across (yet) a thread or mention of what Brainiac said to Kara.

About how she can go back and save everyone on Krypton.

He have some type of time travel?
Was the big rip/wave in space a time rift opening?

I don't usually go to the Spoilers threads.

[Martin le Magicien]

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Clark is afraid to go after Brainic because he is the only one that is able to fix Lana. And last time he didnt destroy him, he just temporaily stopped. Clark has to stop and think and not do anything rash that will put anymore innocent people in danger.

Clark not doing anything is what caused Lana to be in the state she is in. If he had done something when Brainiac was at the farm at the beginning of the episode, Kara wouldn't have needed to go with Brainiac.

And I'm pretty sure Martian Manhunter could do something about Lana's mind, while Chloe is healing her body.

I agree with you that he could be scare that Lana would stay a veggie. But it doesn't make up for the fact that he let Kara took responsability for his stupidity. I wouldn't care as much if Clark would have shown any signs of doing something proactive about the situation.

Plus, Lana was still a veggie at the end of the episode. Maybe they should realize that Brainiac isn't trustworthy, and next time, just punch him until he dies or go away.

[skizzo]

Yeah I totally agree that he was far too inactive this episode.
First he knew Brainiac wouldnt let Lana go if Kara went. He'd been up against him before, he should've tried to talk Kara out of it and then thought of a plan to set him up or something.
Not to mention he knew after Brainiac's threat that other people could get hurt. He should've either stayed around Lana or told her she was in danger and made her stay with Chloe at the Daily Planet where she wouldnt be alone.
I know by the end of the episode we feel sorry for him cos he's hurting, but the one who is actually really suffering is Lana.

[clarky11]

This episode was bad. Sorry guys but it didn't do it for me at all. First of all, the spoilers were like Kara teaches Clark how to fly. BADASS right...about time...i mean lets face facts...if you're a fan of the show its been a moment you have been waiting for. BUT NO...instead they show kara fly for like 2 sec and then tap clark on the butt or whatever for a little push and he says this is stupid. GREAT JOB THERE KARA! Then brainiac and kara and brainiac and lana had wonderful conversations. CMON I could have done a much better job. Lana is becoming more and more worthless in the story line and just when we thought that LOIS and Clark (THE REAL COUPLE) were going to get together after siren and ollie leaves....she doesn't appear in a show for like a month and when she does has no interaction with mr. welling at all. HAHAH what a joke. I'm sick and tired of this non sense that is going on. Talk about a great pre-season finale...i mean i understand that they changed some things around since the strike ended but please...this episode was stupid. It maybe gets a 5 on the scale. Hopefully somone will let TOM direct the finale too and also make the story a hell of alot better. AND PLEASE end on a good note like a lois and clark kiss or him attempting to fly!!!! It's the least the show can do for us FANS!

[Lexgirl33]

It was okay I guess. I like the fact that we learned how and why the Luthors were in SV the day of the meteor shower. Good history there. Also the return of Brainiac. Not really fond of the Lois and Jimmy story line. Lex is cracking....and will next episode. He will be his true self then, I can't wait. I gave it a 6

Clark...fly already! :D :D

[ezkl]

I liked it like 8.5 thought it was better then Traveler but maybe I need to watch traveler over but this ep was cool like what happend to Lana, guess that was bound to happen and prolly will break up again when she comes out of it lol.Cant wait to see Decent I am guessing Kara or Clark will end up savin L.L.;)

[Pimson]

I think it was a great episode, I was nervous all the time about what was going to happen next. The whole episode was very exciting and everything got tied together. I mean, not one single thing in this episode had to do with something else than the big picture, did it? The only down part is that it ended much, it didn't quench my thirst for more. I guess I expected it to answer more questions than it actually did, but hopefully the next will reveal more.

10/10

[Darkcook]

It was great, I loved the beginning with Birdy Brainiac. :) The moments in space were fantastic too, they should do that more. James Marsters was fantastic, the idea of Lex's flashbacks awesome, and catatonic Lana was FREAKY! Clark not flying was indeed the only disappointing element, but the premise and the pictures from Descent look SO.... I've no word! Descent seems like the best episode ever.

[Imzadia]

I think you said it perfectly. As with Traveler at the end of the episodes when the credits rolled I found that my jaw had dropped and was hanging open.


I am in awe. Its no secret that Brian and Kelly are two of the best writers on Smallville (THE best IMO), but they managed to exceed my expectations tonight. I think Smallville tonight silenced all of its critics. That was undeniably a fantastic episode. There are numerous things I could say about it but I think the standout moment (and most should agree on this) was definitely Lionel's scene at the end with Chloe. That was singularly one of the best interactions I have ever seen on Smallville, ever.

Im a big fan of the show, and find things to love even in the episodes that are hardest to defend (yes Hero was a shameless marketing ploy and a poor way to bring Pete back, but I still find lots of things to enjoy about it). But only about once (maybe twice) a season are moments so good that they send involuntary chills up my spine and cause me to shout out loud from excitement. This episode had a couple of those moments. Obviously, Lionel and Chloes scene, but also the scene at the end where Braniac speaks through Lana to Clark "Kal-El youre too late."

This is classic Smallville folks! I dont want to see negative comments about this episode. This episode is above it! Give it the props it deserves. Brian and Kelly knocked it out of the park and I can barely wait for Descent now!

:D Ditto! ...to Both you guys. I'm right there with you (except for Virgil Swann in the Wheelchair 18 to 20 yrs. ago :( , and the episode preview 'write-up' described This episode saying that Kara was going to teach Clark how to fly...and That didn't happen!!!) I LOVED IT! :p

[LexLuv180]

I wanted to see more basics covered, like more on the Veritas and Clark actually trying to fly, but I thought it was an interesting episode. I rated it a 7

[last man of krypton]

Another great episode. There was a lot to enjoy in this, and I'm really looking forward to the next episode (haven't done that for a while). The only let down was Clark not bothering to even try to fly. So, 9/10.

[svtwamedfan05]

10 for Lois, Jimmy, Brainiac, and Kara. Oh and Lex

[smallvillelogan]

:D Ditto! ...to Both you guys. I'm right there with you (except for Virgil Swann in the Wheelchair 18 to 20 yrs. ago :( I LOVED IT! :p

I think they did this to emphasize that it was Dr. Swann coming into the room; having him still be in a wheelchair assures that is indeed Virgil coming in. However, it would have been cool to have him walking in, but somehow dub in some of his lines from the Superman movies or 'Rosetta' or 'Legacy' that somehow fit in with the Veritas conversation. That would have been amazing, and would have been able to set Dr. Swann as a person who wasn't always in a wheelchair while proving it is him at the same time.

[TheLastKryptonian]

I loved the episode despite Clark's stubbornness to not attempt to fly. I am surprised though that with all the positive feedback on this site, @ tv.com there's a big number of bad reviews. Maybe there's just a large bunch of haters or a bunch of ticked off fans that felt cheated? But it still annoys me and the episode should have a better rating...

[Kirstycol]

This episode was anticlimactic at best. It's like a lot of so so foreplay and almost haveing an orgasm but then it's just over. I was very dissapointed.
Does anyone else notice how they are reallllly stretching out the storylines. They could have finished this story line in 2 episodes. But now they dragged it out. I wish Lex would just figure out Clarks secret already. Then they could go to war and clark could get over his irrational fear of heights.

[LexLuv180]

3. At the end of the episode Lana was whispering, "Kal-El" and Clark leaned in to hear her. Why does someone with superhearing have to lean in to hear a whisper?

I caught that too, made no sense.

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it's all about the tv ratings ..i'm expecting for lionel not 2 die..just because it's to obvious from the clip;)

That's kind of how I think, too.

[TheLastKryptonian]

It's not like his super hearing is "ON" all the time. He uses it when he needs to.

[LexLuv180]

There hasn't been a great deal of krypto-freaks since at the first two, maybe three seasons. And most people watch shows like these to get away from reality - seeing Clark deal with terrorists and the like would ruin the show for many (including me) because that's not what Smallville, or Superman for that matter, is about. And the only supernatural themes died out in Season Four (excluding one-off episodes such as "Thirst" and "Tomb").

The description was false advertising, and that annoyed me too. But having Clark failing to fly at the end would have degraded the scene with Lana - she's been in the show since the very beginning. She deserves a proper ending.

As for Kara flying, she's probably got a lot of solar energy stored up in her cells. Kryptonian bodies are like batteries with the yellow Sun - they don't just use the energy, they store it as well. So she'd be able to use her powers outside of the Solar System for a limited amount of time.

I agree, I don't want to see Clark fighting terrorists right now, I want to see him in the small town with the circle of important characters for his future. I think we're all annoyed by the false advertising. And yes, it's true on them storing the energy and it slowly wearing off if not continuously exposed, like a battery.

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It's not like his super hearing is "ON" all the time. He uses it when he needs to.

I know he can focus when he tries, but I believe he's supposed to have advanced hearing as a natural way of a life?

[Guryon]

this episode has been above par compared with recent episodes, quite good actually. the only thing that really bugs is why is Supes such a [Edit]. Honestly, this is the Man of Steel, the avenger of worlds! And I understand that he's learning and all of that but after confronting brainiac, the guy who's messed with him before and now has totally [Edit] up his girl, all he does is stand there. not in a million years, even gandhi would have kicked brainiacs butt. seriously, this goes beyond "human emotions" CK has turned into a powerpuff girl.

[Kirstycol]

Hey don't knock the powerpuff girls, at least they'd kick some ass (even if they were unsuccessful) Clark isn't even trying anymore. He's a coward. I mean even if he fell from the tallest building in the world the only thing that would get hurt is the cement. Seriously.
The writers of this show are really the ones to blame. Once brilliant have turned into little more than soap opera writers. It's so sad. I don't know if it's is because of all the superman copywright laws, or what but they have dragged this show on long enough. They're obviously not going to make things better. It's so sad. I used to count the days until the next smallville episode. Now I just dread it, because I know I'll watch it just encase something important or interesting happens but it rarely does anymore. It just leaves me feeling dissapointed. I think rosenbaum did the right thing makeing this season his last. If he stays any longer it could ruin chances at something better.
I still think he should play a cylon on BSG.

[jazel]

V, didn't impress me.:(
I'm a "simple" girl, I really don't need all that much, to be impressed:p....NOW Michael Rosenbaum, in Kickin It Old School, IS impressive.:lol:
God, I love on that man !:D

[Blue screen of death]

was overall really good i thought. My only real complaint was that clark was supposed to learn how to fly and didn't. Sure kara talked to him about something but all i remember from that seen was her flying in and saying see its really simple. It would have been cool to see him actually try, fail or succeed it wouldn't have mattered. I think he should have tried to figure out what controls the power like with all the others, and the similar training he did with kara on her hearing and heat/x-ray vision and the discussions with Johnathan and Chloe. to watch him fly off and crash through the barn or take out the scarecrow woulda been amusing even if he didn't master it just knowing that he could try it if it became necessary to do so. Watching him stand over the window of the barn looking like he was gonna cry was pretty lame, all he needed was to be was bouncing that damn ball at the end and it would have been perfect superwuss still lives.

[Lazy Boy]

It has a rating of 9/10 from me. The episode was very well constructed as someone said before and the storyline flow easily throughout. It wasn't rushed like some previous episodes and I thought the acting was top notch especially from Allison Mack and John Glover.
The special effects was great, I particularly like the scene when Brainiac push aside Clark and Kara. My only slight gripe is that Laura acting is still a bit wooden but it is getting better.
It was sad to see what happened to Lana even though I was never really a fan of her character. Still credits goes to the writers for making us feel for her and Clark.
Looking forward to seeing the next episode.

[jazel]

It has a rating of 9/10 from me. The episode was very well constructed as someone said before and the storyline flow easily throughout. It wasn't rushed like some previous episodes and I thought the acting was top notch especially from Allison Mack and John Glover.
The special effects was great, I particularly like the scene when Brainiac push aside Clark and Kara. My only slight gripe is that Laura acting is still a bit wooden but it is getting better.
It was sad to see what happened to Lana even though I was never really a fan of her character. Still credits goes to the writers for making us feel for her and Clark.
Looking forward to seeing the next episode.

AM, had 3 scenes, "answering" to Clark........surprise there ?:(
JG was fantastic ! Lordy, do I hope, he's on board for S8 !
Chloe/Lana.......*COUGH* no wonder...SV...Lana/Chloe, save the doomed ships.:lol:

[Thrill_Seeker]

this episode was really great.
but the CW advertises SO CRAP !!!!!
I mean we had expected lex to discover veritas, althoug he didnt get there. Remember how there was the clock thing that lex was holding during the trailer, yes well lex didnt even get to zurich. and kara teaches clark how to fly. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP !!!
HE CHICKENED OUT !!!!!!!!!!
the episode was really good, but CW advertised things that made us expect big things, and it didnt even happen.
to make this episode absolutely perfect, clark should of attempted to fly, and when he does like the 4th/5th time, he flies (but only like a few seconds) and then crashes, and if lex got to zurich and got the information on how to control the traveler.
if those two things happened, THIS WOULD OF BEEN THE BEST EPISODE EVER !!!!!!!!!
it was still good, but i was a bit dissapointed cos this episode should have revealed everything about veritas, but it only left us with more questions. was this episode edited because of the strike ??

[MidgardDragon]

this episode was really great.
but the CW advertises SO CRAP !!!!!
I mean we had expected lex to discover veritas, althoug he didnt get there. Remember how there was the clock thing that lex was holding during the trailer, yes well lex didnt even get to zurich. and kara teaches clark how to fly. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP !!!
HE CHICKENED OUT !!!!!!!!!!
the episode was really good, but CW advertised things that made us expect big things, and it didnt even happen.
to make this episode absolutely perfect, clark should of attempted to fly, and when he does like the 4th/5th time, he flies (but only like a few seconds) and then crashes, and if lex got to zurich and got the information on how to control the traveler.
if those two things happened, THIS WOULD OF BEEN THE BEST EPISODE EVER !!!!!!!!!
it was still good, but i was a bit dissapointed cos this episode should have revealed everything about veritas, but it only left us with more questions. was this episode edited because of the strike ??

What CW promo did you see? None that I saw showed a promo where it said he would fly. Now the Space promo however....but that's not The CW.

And yes, the episode *was* edited because it was originally supposed to be a finale, but now they have 5 more episodes to do. So they took some things out to use them later in the season.

[GuardianAngel]

Awesome episode as fas as the mythos is concerned. I'd say even better than Traveler.
It's a pity the so called answers have been moved to "Descent", but at least TPTB are trying to wrap things up.

The only bad note concerns the fact that Clark didn't even try to fly (or fall), so the advertising was way misleading. On the other hand I don't think he'll ever be able to fly until he accepts his Kryptonian origins and gets closer to Jor-el. I hjust hope CK will go to the FOS in the next episode asking for advice on what to do with BRAINIAC.

[STFanatic]

From TV Guide:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Comedy/stuff/Clipboard02.gif

That is why I expected Clark to at least attempt it, I really did not expect him to actually fly, just an attempt.

At the window when Kara was behind him, I really expected her to give him a nudge and he would fall and land lightly instead of crashing hard to the ground.
I think, that alone would have satisfied many people.

[GuardianAngel]

^ Agreed.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Is BrainIAC necessarily the ONLY one that can fix Lana? He said that no HUMAN can fix her. Perhaps if Clark does something, like listen to Jor-El, then maybe Jor-El could bring her out of her comatose state.

As of right now yes, BrainIAC is the only one that can fix Lana....Until they find something or someone else to fix her. I agree Clark should listen to Jor-el many of times, a Kryptonian creation (BrainIAC) caused Lanas pain perhaps another Kryptonian creation (Fortress) can cure her? I like it!

[GuardianAngel]

^If you consider what Lionel did to BRAINIAC in season 5 when he was the ORACLE, I'd think Jor-el and the FOS could easily cure Lana. But, as Lionel pointed out in VERITAS, Clark has turned away from Jor-el.

[Jaderoyale]

That is why I expected Clark to at least attempt it, I really did not expect him to actually fly, just an attempt.

At the window when Kara was behind him, I really expected her to give him a nudge and he would fall and land lightly instead of crashing hard to the ground.
I think, that alone would have satisfied many people.

I agree, thats what i was expecting. And thats why this episode didn't score as high as Traveler for me, although in many ways, it was loads better.

[rollergirl42]

Help!!! my power went out Thursday so I didn't get to see it!!! I just watched it on you tube and I am totally confused. Is there anyother place I can watch the entire ep. or could one of you angels tell me what happened.


Thanks!!! I owe you one!!!!!!
I am a true Smallville Fan!!!!

[Hopefulsuicide]

everything about this episode was perfect, except for Clark and Kara's scenes. not even jumping out the window when it wont even hurt is pathetic when it might mean saving loads of people

and then to have that whole 'he must run on energy' epiphany, which in my opinion is stupider than a 3 year olds revelation that everybody eats food

but i loved the episode, favourite episode in the last 2 seasons i'd say

[Mr.lexy]

i gave it a seven. not the greatest epi. pretty anticlimatic i thought something was going to happen to lionel after he kept ranting about something "herrible" was gonna happen to clark, but chloe was being stupid and ignoring him.
clark didnt even FLY that was sooo dumb. "hes like i dont have time for this" hes a weenie.

[dunlopc]

I gave it a 6 everyhting I felt about this episode was perferctly summed up by the Scarlett review of the episode on the Devoted to Tom Welling Site.

[Saz25]

Have to say this episode was a massive disappointment. I think cos of the writers strike ending, all the things they originally planned for the episode were edited out and that meant the scenes that were left just looked fragmented.

Where was the exploration of the mythology we were promised??

Why would Kara just fly off with Braniac like that with seemingly no explanation of where they were going??

The only good thing to come out of the episode was that Clark is finally free from Lana. Will what's happened to her finally push him back to Jor-el and the Fortress as he'll surely go to Jor-El for help in defeating Brainiac.

[Theshadow129x]

This episode was a good 8 for me.

I'm sick of watching episodes in which Clark is sidelined and all the other characters are more heroic than him. Kara isn't the main character and yet she has more heart than Clark who's still isn't sure what he wants to do with himself.

another problem I had with this episode is how once again teh plot revolved around Lana. Why is she always the plot point that makes things possible of still? It shouldn't be like that. It's horrible writing to always use her to either hold Clark back or move him forward.

[ginnyfan]

I watched it again and I still want to give it a six. *shakes head*

I'll wait until April whenever to watch the second half and then vote.

[Heroes4Hire]

This is a really good episode. I thought it was wonderfully crafted and wonderfully acted.

[shy175223]

I gave it a 6 everyhting I felt about this episode was perferctly summed up by the Scarlett review of the episode on the Devoted to Tom Welling Site.

Just to be safe uhh I think it's not permitted NOT repeat NOT to bring the name of that particular website in this board...:\:D:o just to remind you . I can't say why ...

[Xanderman]

From TV Guide:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/Comedy/stuff/Clipboard02.gif

That is why I expected Clark to at least attempt it, I really did not expect him to actually fly, just an attempt.

At the window when Kara was behind him, I really expected her to give him a nudge and he would fall and land lightly instead of crashing hard to the ground.
I think, that alone would have satisfied many people.True. The tv listings in the newspaper I read the day of simply said "Kara teaches Clark how to fly" as the description. How can something that never happened be the description for the episode? To say she teaches him how to fly implies he learns how to fly. But I guess "Kara tries/wants to teach Clark how to fly" wouldn't have been as eye-catching. A better or less misleading description I think would have been "Kara tells Clark that Brainiac might be powered by energy." That way at least then when that line/scene actually came on screen it might not have seemed as stupendously stupid as it did. heh

[ty2192]

All i can say about this episode is wow....

I was blown away by the end of it, and am so happy that this isnt the series finale as it was ment to be.

However as many people have already stated im still sadly disappionted that clark did not learn how to fly, when I had heard/read numerously that Kara was going to teach him.

I also enjoyed the ending of the episode with Lana being so frozen and powerless agisnt Brianic...Im still counting down the days till i can watch the next episode.

[SmallvilleGirl101]

:mad: I gave it a 1, because I did not like what happened to Lana. I guess the Lois fans will get what they always wanted. " For Lana to be killed off " :mad:
I hope Clark will find a way to save her.

[clana_never_give_up]

I liked it. It was pretty good. :D

What I don't get is, WHAT HAPPENED TO LANA'S KRYPTONITE NECKLACE?????

I mean seriously I figured she'd get it this season because she now knows his secret and what not. Especially since she saw it last season and knows he has it. :confused:

This confuses me.

[Kirstycol]

Remember her kryptonite necklace was neutralized. And she found it last season when she was engaged to Lex. She found out a lot of things last season.

[MidgardDragon]

:mad: I gave it a 1, because I did not like what happened to Lana. I guess the Lois fans will get what they always wanted. " For Lana to be killed off " :mad:
I hope Clark will find a way to save her.

You gave the episode the lowest possible rating because you didn't like what happened to a single character. Wow. Just wow. Now I know what those that are rating episodes 4 and under are (not) thinking.

[bizzaroboy9]

i actually gave it a 3 because it was a weak episode, it seem a little choppy at some part, and it was only 36 minutes long... i did like the ending, it was sad but at the same time powerful. i loved the scene where brainiac and kara fly off somewhere in space.

[SmallvilleGirl101]

You gave the episode the lowest possible rating because you didn't like what happened to a single character. Wow. Just wow. Now I know what those that are rating episodes 4 and under are (not) thinking.

Well I guess it was a 7 1/2, I just gave it a 1 because of what happened to Lana. I didnt like the way it ended, thats mainly why I gave it a 1.:\

[Hopefulsuicide]

dont listen to him

if you want to rate it 1 then no one has the right to have a go at you for it
you like lana and dislike the direction this episode took her character in, and therefore you dislike the episode and would rate it very low in your favourite episodes

thats totally fair

[STFanatic]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Be sure to remember the "Report Button" if needed in any area of KryponSite.

[SmallvilleGirl101]

dont listen to him

if you want to rate it 1 then no one has the right to have a go at you for it
you like lana and dislike the direction this episode took her character in, and therefore you dislike the episode and would rate it very low in your favourite episodes

thats totally fair

i'm not listening to him, well its still a one, it would have been a 7 1/2 if nothing happened to Lana:cool:

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[Mar-El]

dont listen to him

if you want to rate it 1 then no one has the right to have a go at you for it
you like lana and dislike the direction this episode took her character in, and therefore you dislike the episode and would rate it very low in your favourite episodes

thats totally fair

I agree. It's totally fair to rate it a 1 if that fan is so inclined. She even posted a reason why, but apparently even that's not good enough. SmallvilleGirl101, I applaud your bravery in coming forth and stating your opinion, Even if it angers other people, that's something they're going to have to deal with on their own. It's a free board. I basically said as much myself earlier this thread.

You know, if we have to be afraid to post our opinions because we're subjected to constant harassments then I suppose using the Report Button is a good idea. Thanks for pointing that out, STFanatic.

[Feldmm1]

I gave it a 7. I was really expecting more from an episode that was going to be the season finale. Yes, they had to take some parts of the story out so it would not be the finale, but the other parts would have been bad regardless of whether they kept the season finale ones or not. I am not saying there were not a couple good parts, but the bad parts kind of ruined it for me. The fact that this episode was after a great one like Traveler does not help, because it gives me something to compare this episode to.

The episode started out okay. You see Brainiac transformed into a bird, and later you see him fly away into the sky. Although he could probably always have done these things, the fact that we have finally seen him do it gives the impression that he is a more formidable foe than ever. I wish Clark would have attacked Brainiac once he was down, or maybe use his heat vision and super breath on him when he was standing up, just to add some action in the episode.

When Kara was trying to teach Clark how to fly, I hoped that he would at least try. I thought that he would fly in the episode because of the CW's misleading comments, but I would have not minded too much as long as we saw some funny attempts of him trying to fly.

Then, there is the part where Kara guesses that Brainiac runs on energy and Clark nods seriously. This is probably the most dumb scene in the history of television. All life forms run on energy. WE run on energy from food. Kara should have said ELECTRICITY because energy is too general of a term.

I found it boring watching Jimmy and Lois pursue their story. At the end of the episode, all they found out was what we already knew at the beginning. I was expecting them to do something, ANYTHING, with the information so we all would not feel like we wasted our time watching this part of the episode.

I found looking into Lex's memories a bit interesting, though I would have hoped to learn some of the information BEFORE a season finale instead of spending time (perhaps put an episode between Traveler and Veritas?). That time could have been replaced by a bit of action. Yes, I know it is not the season finale, but that is no excuse for bringing down the quality of the episode so much.

The scenes I actually enjoyed a little bit was when Lionel was almost begging to Clark and Chloe to listen to what he had to say. It was an interesting experience to see Lionel, who has been a powerful and ruthless person for much of the series, to actually be on his knees and showing how powerless he was.

I liked that James Marsters played Brainiac very well and portrayed him as a powerful, ruthless villian that will do whatever it takes to get his way. He was such a ruthless foe that he would torment Clark by bringing up how much pain Lana was in, how Clark could not stop it, etc. The look he gave Clark at the end was great. Brainiac was the perfect enemy in the episode. Unfortunately, this fact brings me to my next complaint: the episode ended up revolving around Lana.

I do not exactly like the Lana character in Season 7. She is always holding Clark back. She is also not nearly as helpful or resourceful as Chloe, making her a liability instead of an asset for Clark. Again, this episode ended up revolving around how much Clark loves her and how much she is a weakness for Clark's enemies to exploit. At least there is one good thing that came out of this: Lana will not be back for Season 8.

Finally, I have to comment again on the stupidity of Clark and Kara. This is three times now that Kara has trusted a villian and the villian broke her trust. She trusted Zor-El when he said he had changed, but he broke her trust. She trusted Lex and thought that he was actually concerned about her, and Lex was prepared to use force to get her to the lab and show her memories to him. Now, she actually thinks Brainiac will keep his word!? The writers seriously need to improve the character development of Kara. She NEVER learns from her mistakes. As for Clark, he should have known better than to even think for a second that Brainiac would heal Lana. Clark KNOWS Brainiac. Despite the fact that he is blinded by his emotions for Lana, he should have known and accepted that Brainiac will never reverse what he did to her. Had he acted on this fact, he would not have made the mistake of not immediately attacking Brainiac near the end of the episode, nor would he just stand and watch Brainiac and Kara fly away. Yes, Brainiac can reboot. However, it takes time for him to do so. This would probably be enough time for Clark and Jor-El to devise a strategy to combat Brainiac and stop whatever he is up to now. But no, throughout the series Clark has rejected all of Jor-El's logical pieces of advice, and it has cost him much. If, back in season 4, he had made it a priority to seek out the three stones as soon as possible, Brainiac would not have come, Zod would never had been released, and the zoners would not had been released either. The writers really need to allow Clark to learn from his mistakes as well. Is the lack of an ability to learn a weakness all Kryptonians had?

After skimming over my comments, I see that I may have given the episode too much of a rating. Perhaps a 6 or less would have been more appropriate, and at least 1-2 of those points would have only been there because Brainiac is such a fantastic villian.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I found it boring watching Jimmy and Lois pursue their story. At the end of the episode, all they found out was what we already knew at the beginning. I was expecting them to do something, ANYTHING, with the information so we all would not feel like we wasted our time watching this part of the episode.

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i found that as well... i can't understand why everyone loves the Lois and Jimmy scenes sooooo much. i mean i liked em, i thought they were pretty strong Lois... but they really were pointless... we didn't find out anything

[Misstaken]

I found it boring watching Jimmy and Lois pursue their story. At the end of the episode, all they found out was what we already knew at the beginning. I was expecting them to do something, ANYTHING, with the information so we all would not feel like we wasted our time watching this part of the episode.

I have to disagree with you. I thought that it was refreshing to see Lois and Jimmy getting closer to know the truth about who killed Patricia Swann. The fact that they knew the murderer was Lex and not Lionel brought a nice parallel between the two of them, knowing the truth, and Clark and Chloe choosing to ignore Lionel's warning/explanation. Although I agree, it would've been nice to see Lois and Jimmy come up with a plan to confront Lex (maybe next episode?).

Otherwise, I think your post was brilliant. You explained well the Clark/Kara stupidity pattern.

[corpze]

This was the first Smallville episode ever that disappointed me. I read that this could have been the season finale if the writers strike would've continued and Al Cough said that: "We went in and raised the cliff." for that reason.

If that's their idea of raising the cliff, I think they should retire. Of course I know that when the strike was over and continuation of the season was confirmed, they decided to take off some big plot points, but why did they have to take almost all of them off? That's beyond my understanding. Lana's presumable brain death and Kara going somewhere with Brainiac were only "big" things in this ep.

This whole episode actually was very scattered and I think that cutting off all big plot points caused that. I know that this after all wasn't the season finale, but they still shouldn't've taken all big things off after getting people expect so much from this ep.

Kara teaching Clark how to fly? She showed Clark how she flies and pushed Clark a bit when he stood on the edge of that barn upper door. THE END. Wow, how amazing is that... Maybe I'm a little harsh but I've waited to see him fly since the first ep of the show and my disappointment with this "Kara teaches flying" thing was beyond imagination.

There still was something good in this ep. That Lex's memory flashback about Veritas was very interesting and I can't wait to get to know the content of that Veritas deposit box in Zurich.

Michael Rosenbaum, John Glover and Tom Welling did excellent job in this ep. Others didn't particularly impress me. It was nice to see James Marsters as Brainiac again and it gives a big plus to this ep, although I wished he would've had more screen time.

All that whining concludes as a rating 4 out of 10 for this episode.

[ginnyfan]

I think there's a bad moon on the rise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rliClVLqjw

Wow feldmm1 I've been trying to figure out why I disliked this episode so much and I think you've touched on a lot of the reasons why.

You might be right corpze. There was something lopsided about this episode. I'll wait for part two and judge them as a whole.

[Dojj]

best episode of the season...altho this season has been rather weak i feel
but this is smallville at its best, i am genuinely intent on finding out what exactly is in that darn safe, and where brainiac took kara, and what lionel is on about ??

And arent the characters becoming interesting again...now who here isnt excited to see how clark reacts to losing lana like that (will he finally get the motivation to be a hero?), will lana be gone forever or ever come back the same?, jimmy and lois are beginning, what is cooking with chloe - will she heal lana and possibly destroy herself?, lex is descending into evil (perhaps one of the most exciting developments in the series - PLEASE give us Lex in his true form...sometime this season...), and then lionel....always the character that has kept me guessing throughout the 7 seasons and hes done it again!! Lionel is simply one of the best characters on the show. Seeing young Oliver was gold.

On the down side tho, i find brainiac too undeveloped as a character. I love him in the show tho, but i want more depth to his character.

Also, where the hell is MMH?? isnt this a good time for him to show up?

How did kara know where to fly, or even that she had to fly away with brainiac? she led him away remember...i dont think they explained where they are going or why she knew to fly into the atmosphere.

Im very happy with this episode and hope this story arc continues (i hate fillers)

[Season7Rocks]

I gave it a 9. Not as great as I had expected it to be after Traveler, and I do wish Clark had flown, but hey they changed those parts so no biggie. I just can't rate it as high as I would have Traveler (10) because it wasn't quite as good as Traveler.

[superpal1]

Gave it a seven. I like the direction the show has gone and the depth that the characters are getting. The only problem is that the promos suggested flight, so I went into the episode expecting more. I can't help but feel a little cheated, so I marked the episode down.

[Angel of Mercy]

I have to disagree with you. I thought that it was refreshing to see Lois and Jimmy getting closer to know the truth about who killed Patricia Swann. The fact that they knew the murderer was Lex and not Lionel brought a nice parallel between the two of them, knowing the truth, and Clark and Chloe choosing to ignore Lionel's warning/explanation. Although I agree, it would've been nice to see Lois and Jimmy come up with a plan to confront Lex (maybe next episode?).

Otherwise, I think your post was brilliant. You explained well the Clark/Kara stupidity pattern.


I'm with you, Misstaken, about the Lois & Jimmy thing. As a viewer we have to remember Smallville is the story of Superman before he's "super" (and all of his affiliates). All of the characters are still coming in to their own, and that includes Lois & Jimmy. Lois and Jimmy need to find themselves as a team, and that just doesn't happen over night. You can't watch Smallville through the lens of "already" and "as is", such as the comics. Smallville is all about the development of heroes.

That being said, we've spent the last 7 seasons watching Clarke learn and grow into Superman. He's not quite there yet (which is why he can't fly. To fly would be the total culmination and completion of his transformation from small town boy to world hero), but he's slowly coming in to place as the Superman we're all used to for over the last 70 some-odd years. We can't expect anything different for Kara. She too, has to learn from her errors. We've seen Clarke do it for 7 seasons. Obviously the writers don't have 7 more to do the same with Kara, but she's entitled to mess up royally while the rest of us are like, "WHAT THE FLIP MODE!" screaming at our tv screens for the obvious that she doesn't see. Also, Kara cannot be expected to be as great as Clarke. Clarke is the resident number 1 hero, and altho Kara is Supergirl, she is runner-up to him in the super hero totem pole, therefore, she's gotta be seen, in some way, shape, or form, slightly less than Clarke just to keep us wanting more, and further drive in the idea that Clarke is our hero, he's the reason for the show, he's the reason why we keep watching.

[rebukey]

wow, this episode is getting a lot of mixed reviews! I really enjoyed it, but I agree with those who said that it was not as good as Traveler. I didn't like how little time was spent on the flying theme, but that's SV for ya! But overall it was a very moving episode. The ending was heart wrenching, and there was just enough questions raise to keep us interested in next week.

[Sam C]

I gave it a seven, simply because it was lacking what the CW promised us, Clark not flying.

For what the episode was, simply a re-make of a season finale, it was good, it did everything that it needed to do. It showed us, that whatever is coming, is no joke, after what Braniac did to Lana. Though it was probably the right thing to do with her.

This, will definalty throw Clark into a mood where he has nothing to lose, so expect him to do some more training, then to kick whatevers coming in the next few episodes ass's.

I think, all this episode was set to do, is to build up the scene. There will probably be a major episode in Decent, then a smaller one afterwards. Then it will probably be all out excitement, as we were supposed to get in this episode.

[Sweetie]

Brainiac and Lex made this episode.What's wrong with a show when it's the villains that have become the favorites.I enjoy Lois & Jimmy's partnership,it put some humor in a dark situation.

[Season7Rocks]

Villains make or break a show, and I liked Lex from the beginning, so I don't find anything wrong with villains being favorites.

[Azra-El]

I gave this Episode an 8. Brainiac was brilliant! Great story. Great progression of the Veritas story arc.


*Azra-El*

[do3mire]

i found that as well... i can't understand why everyone loves the Lois and Jimmy scenes sooooo much. i mean i liked em, i thought they were pretty strong Lois... but they really were pointless... we didn't find out anything

Same here. I mean it was fun. The writers were maybe going for iconic. But the whole Lois and Jimmy scoobying was just so Jimmy could show Lionel the morgue photo of Swann. It made them look stupid, imo.

But Lois did find the pic of Lex and the killer/driver that Lionel left behind at Isis. No doubt, a setup for a future Lois/Lex storyline.

Jimmy, oh Jimmy, why did you have to say Isis computers looked sexy? :rolleyes:

[CK&CK]

Villains make or break a show, and I liked Lex from the beginning, so I don't find anything wrong with villains being favorites.

This is so true........growing up.....I never really cared for Superman's villain roster......even when some really great villains poped up in the mythology.....it felt...to me anyway....that it took a while before they were written well. I mean Brianiac to me is up there with Dr. Victor Von Doom (although....the movie incarnation of Dr. Doom sucks in comparison to the brilliant portrayal of Brianiac by James Masters).

It's just too bad though that Lex has been written a little uneven from time to time over these past seasons....in my opinion. Lionel Luthor during the first 5 to 6 seasons was written the way I always thought that Lex should have been written from the very beginning (meaning the comics & most definitely the movies). When it comes to being a Magnicient Bastard in a league all his own.....I can hear Lionel just gloating & saying to Lex ....."Who's your Daddy".

As far as the episode....I gave it a 7....although I was kinda going back and forth between it being as low as a 6 or up at 8. The reason I almost gave it a 6 is because some scenes didn't play out right....like Clark and Kara trying to be smart.....or the end scene with Lana which was brilliant but also dragged down by having had the same history of Clana/Clark crying crap over, and over, and over. Truthfully, I was thinking 8 mostly for Lionel, Brianiac, and to a lesser extent....Chloe. The Lois/Jimmy stuff seemed Iconically contrived (although Erica seemed to be able to rise above it every now and then....at least to me)......and Clark Kent showing us why "White Men Can't Jump"....didn't help either.

In the end, James Masters & John Glover pushed it to 7 for me. But I can understand people wanting to rate it far lower than what I was considering......even if something is well acted and well filmed....it can still be damn low if it insults one's intelligence (as this Clark Kent often does)......question is how bad did it insult.



Hey Season7Rocks.......have we ever conversed before? I get a weird Deja-Vu vibe reading your posts.....not to mention your Supergirl avatar.........gotta admit though she is hot.

[Xanderman]

Hey Season7Rocks.......have we ever conversed before? I get a weird Deja-Vu vibe reading your posts.....not to mention your Supergirl avatar.........gotta admit she is hot.It's MidgardDragon. He's like the Phoenix, rising again from his own ashes to vote the episode a 9 a second time. heh (I think he recently got banned or something....)

I've read enough of Midgard's posts to recognize his style, his likes/dislikes, etc. If that's not Midgard, then I'm Tom Welling. lol

Anyway, welcome back Matt.

[CK&CK]

It's MidgardDragon. He's like the Phoenix, rising again from his own ashes to vote the episode a 9 a second time. heh (I think he recently got banned or something....)

I've read enough of Midgard's posts to recognize his style, his likes/dislikes, etc. If that's not Midgard, then I'm Tom Welling. lol

Anyway, welcome back Matt.

How's it going Xanderman........and yeah, I kind of noticed the style to.........but mostly the avatar.......I mean Supergirl is HOT!

[jordeant1200]

omg 10!!!!! finaly made me want to join a smallville site it was grate

[superman2001]

I thought the episode, was Awesome, i really did enjoy it, My Favorite Scene in the Episode, is when Clark saved Kara, from Brainic, i wonder what brainic did to lana, i can't wait to find out, and i also wonder where Kara, and Brainic went, i can't wait to see the next new Episode, it is going to be great.

[Thrill_Seeker]

the episode was great, people !!!
If that was the season finale they had planned, then I would have been dissapointed.
they didnt edit any of the episode.........
THEY CUT IT.

it was supposed to be a 2-hour finale, which i can tell you, WOULD HAVE ROCKED!!!!!!!
thats where all the hype and misleading comments and all the excitement for the episode. but they had to cut it down, and it was still good.
but its not the season finale.
watch how bloody good all of the next episode are going to be.

[Serynarpc]

The plot line was fluid and beautiful. I actually didn't fast forward or wince through clunky Stride advertisements.

The one point that irritates me is that once again, the show rotates around the Pretty Pink Princess (Lana). While her condition is sad and appalling, I'm really getting tired of 'Lana has a new stalker!' "Lana has a secret!" and the best, 'We have to save Lana!'
I want to see Superman's development, not the writers destroying Lana as a credible character who needs rescuing every episode.

[bizzaroboy9]

the episode was great, people !!!
If that was the season finale they had planned, then I would have been dissapointed.
they didnt edit any of the episode.........
THEY CUT IT.

it was supposed to be a 2-hour finale, which i can tell you, WOULD HAVE ROCKED!!!!!!!
thats where all the hype and misleading comments and all the excitement for the episode. but they had to cut it down, and it was still good.
but its not the season finale.
watch how bloody good all of the next episode are going to be.

where did you get the info that it would be 2 hour? i hope they will have it on the s7 dvd!:cool::D

[jazel]

sucked ! MAYBE, I was expecting MORE mythos ? Lionel, and his not so secret "covent", was NOT mythos to me at all.:(

[JEWCY]

Smallville does not disapoint and it shows with its latest installment of the Veritas arc. I know many did not enjoy Hero, but I thought along with Traveler, this was one of the best episode runs in a while and I'm sure like last year with the final 5 episodes being great, it will be the same, only much better.

[savannah]

This ep was surprising

[Mr. T]

It would have been very cool to see Clark fly. It was sad to see Kara fly off with Braniac in the end. If Clark would have gone through with the lessons of flight with Kara, than he could have flown after them. This was still an awesome episode.

[open2freaks]

I loved this epp. Good job! The best so far!

[jesslang]

i thought it was good .

[smallville0001]

It was so cool, but i cryed my eyes out after what Brainiac did to Lana!

[Nimkong]

Good episode.Liked how they rapped up the veritas storyline and the ending was tight.But if that would have been the season finale then this would be the worst season

[SGuthrie27]

This was a pretty cool episode that at least fleshed out a lot of what was going on with the whole Veritas storyline. I liked seeing the flashbacks that gave us insight into what was going on just before Clark's arrival on Earth as the various power players made their moves to protect (or control) the Traveler. Some think that much of what was revealed here amounts to retcons and plot inconsistencies, but I think it was pretty in keeping with the stories that were already told, and at least adds another layer of depth to the overall Smallville S1-7 storyline. I actually felt really bad for Lionel with how no one believed or trusted him as he tried to pass along the Veritas key. I mean, Chloe should have at least listened long enough to learn what the threat was, or take the key from him, with how he was groveling on his knees like that (so un-Lionel-esque!), and Clark should have taken it from him, himself, before giving him the brush-off. I'll give this episode 8 out of 10 mysterious lockets belonging to secret societies for ratcheting up the excitement leading into the latter part of the season! :)

[vantheman77]

Clark not trying to learn how to fly twice had made him unpopular and Kara all the more popular. It was like the producers and writers message to the fans.

[ck123]

Excellent^^ sorry if i am a lil late

[BelleReveGirl]

I just love how Jason, Oliver and Lex's parents were part of the secret organization to protect the child from krypton..but greed and power got in the way of what good they were trying to do! but seriously..good stuff!