Buffy and Angel (Did you watch both?)

[EmpressVader]

When "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" gave birth to "Angel the Series" (I know that sounds weird) did you watch both, did you eventually give up one or the other?

I was surprised there were actually BtVS fans who didn't watch Angel. It would have been impossible for me as I considered Angel a extension of the Buffy show. I absolutly adored it... until Cordy slept with Conner and ruined it all... gag.

[SSJConan]

When "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" gave birth to "Angel the Series" (I know that sounds weird) did you watch both, did you eventually give up one or the other?

I was surprised there were actually BtVS fans who didn't watch Angel. It would have been impossible for me as I considered Angel a extension of the Buffy show. I absolutly adored it... until Cordy slept with Conner and ruined it all... gag.

Well, I didn't get into the series till last year, so I had the advantage of going straight for the DVDs and watching everything in chronological order. Though I'll forever regret spoilering myself crazily before I even bought Buffy's first season. Anyhow, I bought myself Buffy's first three seasons, watched through 'em, then got the continuing seasons with Angel's. I watched the concurrent seasons simultaneously and am glad I did, since watching both shows in a proper order gives a grander experience to Buffy's universe than just watching one or the other solely. I also got Angel Season 5, the final season of the whole Buffyverse, and quite enjoyed that, even though there weren't any Buffy eps to watch with. I too consider Angel an extension of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, though it can also be a very fine stand-alone series if one chooses to view it as such, but watching both series just serves a much greater benefit IMO.

To finish off, technically Cordelia didn't sleep with Conner... okay, physically she did! But not of her own choosing and free will. That sociopath former "Power" with a demonic breath-exhale of a name, "Jasmine", infiltrated her body and pulled all the distracting strings. All Cordelia's responsible for is descending out of the Higher Plane, allowing that maggot-faced piece of garbage to get into her in the first place. She got proper closure though in Angel's final season.

EDIT: I will say this, I do have prepared episode guides for marathons whenever I choose to watch just Angel or just Buffy. My "Pure Angel" episode guide consists of Buffy's first three seasons (minus two Season 1 eps that exclude both Angel and Cordelia), Angel Seasons 1-4 with 10 selected Buffy episodes containing crossover elements ("The Freshman", "The Harsh Light of Day", "Pangs", "The Yoko Factor", "Fool for Love", "Crush", "Forever", "Lies My Parents Told Me", "End of Days", and "Chosen"; six/seven of 'em featuring Angel), and Angel's stellar final season. Then with Buffy, I have the 1992 movie (albeit considered non-canon), first three seasons, then Seasons 4-7 with 13 selected Angel episodes containing crossover elements ("City of", "In the Dark", "Bachelor Party", "I Will Remember You", "Five by Five", "Sanctuary", "Blind Date", "Darla", "Disharmony", "There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb", "Salvage", "Orpheus", and "Home"; two/four of 'em featuring Buffy & three Willow), then 8 episodes from Angel Season 5: "Conviction", "Just Rewards", "Destiny", "Soul Purpose", "Damage", "You're Welcome", "Shells", and "The Girl in Question" (if Joss manages to get Ripper through production hell, that'll join). I know, I'm anal-retentive.

I don't consider the Season 8 and After the Fall/Season 6 comics of Buffy and Angel as canon continuations, for many reasons. >>

[Zacho]

Yeah, i watched both

[Hopefulsuicide]

Angel is just the most incredible show on it's own, but of course i watched them both... i'll kiss the ass of everything Joss Whedon touches... the man is a god!

[Bellarata]

I didn't get into Angel as much I did Buffy. I came into the show after it had already ended (Buffy) so I watched the entire 7 seasons in a row then hit Angel, and watched the last season of Angel as my Buffy filler.

I much prefer David B on Bones though, he's fantastic on that show.

[slayer]

I didn't get into Angel as much I did Buffy. The last season of Angel as my Buffy filler.

I much prefer David B on Bones though, he's fantastic on that show.

i concur!

[Jaded Wolf]

I actually started to like Angel more simply because of its adult more darker themes. I absolutely love Buffy though so it's hard to say one is better than the other for me.

[JB1986]

I know this may sound odd, especially considering my eternal love for Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but I just can't get into Angel. I really don't know why. I own the first season and can watch an episode occassionally, but I really don't have a strong desire to watch it very much, if at all. I cannot honestly explain it, especially since I am such a huge fan of Buffy.

[dunlopc]

I watched both loved the slayer universe Joss created miss both shows once they finishes have struggled to find anythign as good. The only thing I didn't like was Angel season 4 they was only a handful of good episodes. I also hated Angel being in love with Cordy and her sleeping with Connor. My only consellation was he shouted Buffy name when he had dream sex with Cordy.

[Pesk]

I watched both buffy and angel, to me they were 2 halves of the same show.

During the first 5 years (buffy seasons 1-5, angel 1-2) my favourite of the 2 shows was buffy, but the later seasons (buffy 6-7, angel 3-5) angel became my favourite. Its a more adult show in many ways.

I hate it when people say they won't watch angel because they didn't like him on buffy. I didn't like him on buffy either, but on his own show its like he's a different person, because you see all these different sides to him, and he changes a lot in 5 years.

[Vergon6]

I loved both series but I felt more of connection with the characters in Angel than Buffy. Maybe it's because I feel broody sometimes too :p lol

[slayfan]

I loved both shows. As a BAngel fan I had to follow him to his own show to see what would happen to him. On the whole I liked Buffy better though and still have withdrawl from it after four years and had to buy all seven DVD sets so that I could return to my favorite show whenever I want. However with Angel, even though i had to watch every week and was sad to see it go I didn't have the same sense of loss. In fact I've only bought one season of it so far on DVD.

[Rafael122]

I watched Buffy on FX, this was right around Season 4 (on the WB or UPN?) and I got hooked so I started watching the series regularly.

I had no intentions of watching Angel, in fact, I didn't know about it at all. I've said this several times here, but if I had known the Angel show had existed, I would have stopped watching Buffy after Season 3 and started with Angel...knowing what I know now.

I have Angel Seasons 1-3 on DVD, and I have Buffy Seasons 1-3 on DVD as well. I will most likely start completing this collection once the seasons go on sale for $20 again.

[Servayne]

I followed Buffy the entire time and had to watch Angel -
I love anything from Joss Whedon, he is incredible with his shows!

[Rafael122]

I guess I should post this here, but the seasons for both shows are on sale for $20 each at Best Buy. I picked up Season 1 and 4 of Buffy (weird right? I had bought 2 and 3 initially b/c they were my favorite seasons) and Season 4 of Angel.

[Superboy-Prime]

I watched both and i think i got the best atmosphere for watching them. Where I lived they didnt have the WB so buffy( until season 6) and angel came on tuesdays and wednesdays respectivelyon NBC at around 3:30am. The shows had no next episode previews so i never knew what the hell was going to happen. I loved both shows especially how things leeched into the others like Glory's portals opening up on Angel.

[shadoo]

I absolutely hated buffy, Angel by far is the best.

[Jaderoyale]

I watched both.
Though, i'm more an avid Buffy fan than Angel.

[comptonassmel]

I watch both. I too am more into Buffy though. I started watching Buffy in the 7th season and Angel in the 4th and have caught up on reruns.

[Parrotheadpress]

I didn't watch either when they were on. A friend of mine was a huge Buffy fan and bought the boxed set of all seven seasons even though she had all seven seasons already. (Yes, she's enough of a fan that she wanted the special edition whole series even though she already had them.) She passed the individual seasons along to me telling me how much I would like them. She was right! I fell in love with the Buffy and then watched Angel. I enjoy both, but I have to admit that I like Buffy more.

[slayer]

I know this may sound odd, especially considering my eternal love for Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but I just can't get into Angel. I really don't know why. I own the first season and can watch an episode occasionally, but I really don't have a strong desire to watch it very much, if at all. I cannot honestly explain it, especially since I am such a huge fan of Buffy.

no i totally get you. same here. the characters just weren't that interesting to me. to start off angel was always more interesting as buffy's love interest and even then i didn't like him much. then cordy wasn't as funny when her sarcasm was met by broodiness. then wesley - who actually liked the guy when he was on buffy? i know he grew out of the watcher within ( i found him more interesting in the later seasons), but not enough to retain my attention for the series.

plus, i never felt that angel deserved redemption, so that might have something to do with it :lol:

[Fat Elvis 007]

plus, i never felt that angel deserved redemption, so that might have something to do with it :lol:

Interesting. May I ask why?

[slayer]

yeah, totally. i feel that in comparison to angel, spike was worthier of redemption. that is the basis of my argument. spike > angel.

well for myself, it's easier to look at the facts. spike always had retained an unusual amount of his humanity after he was sired. his compassion towards his mother after his siring and his desire to cure her is a point. another is that unlike other vampires he always had a taste for food, just as much as blood. not that that is my main convincer, i'm just saying. not to mention that even before the whole ordeal with his chip he was willing to strike a deal with buffy, because unlike angelus he didn't want the world to end. spike has always been conscious of his actions and only really seemed to enjoy the rush of the kill, rather than the torture and the pain like angelus.

now you may say, well that was angelus - all vampires are evil and whatnot. but that's not true. my point exactly is that spike is not like other vampires, he's unique in more ways than one. many say that's spike's chip ultimately lead to his soul, but i feel that regardless of the chip he would have realized his feeling for buffy and been there for her b/c of his obsession with her (which he would have later recognized to be love, ect.)
not to mention spike's desire to seek a soul and be the "man" buffy deserved. but also, spike always carried with him self hatred. he hated that he couldn't hate buffy and he hated the demon in him.

angel on the other hand was forced into having a soul and when angelus came about he never desired to have a soul, in fact he dreaded that part of himself. and unlike william i feel that liam was a waste of space in his time.

this of course is just IMO. but i do realize that angel did some good, but if anything, neither is deserving of their heartbeat for a while yet. but angel spent generations wasting his time long before he met buffy, while spike was able to basically jump right in (after a short killing spree :lol: )and help out, he also has a passion for what he's doing that makes him that much more of a competitor in the fight for redemption. not to mention (now i haven't closely followed AtS, but i know some stuff), that angel and his gang seem to stir up a lot of trouble. this of course, is all IMHO.

[drew-crypto84]

I loved both Buffy and Angel and I have a habit on staying loyal to the shows I watch and love even some people opinions on saying that a certain season is bad I still watch them anyway cause I enjoyed the shows that much. After Angel ended I did create/ write my own spin-off set after the events of Angel, I created my own characters including the lead, thought of the actors to play them, Buffy and Angel characters including Buffy and Angel themselves came onto the show at some point and three of the characters became regulars (I made Spike, Xander, Illirya and Giles regulars), I written episodes guides and made the show last seven seasons and of course Joss Whedon style I killed off a few of the characters that I came up with throughout the course of the series and even considered at some point kill of the lead on the final episode. That was a couple of years ago now and I did change the show from a Buffy spin-off to a whole new different show and different versions since, however out of all of them the Buffyverse version of it is my favourite cause it is how it started off.

[Fat Elvis 007]

yeah, totally. i feel that in comparison to angel, spike was worthier of redemption. that is the basis of my argument. spike > angel.

I must, shockingly, disagree. ;)


well for myself, it's easier to look at the facts. spike always had retained an unusual amount of his humanity after he was sired. his compassion towards his mother after his siring and his desire to cure her is a point.

I think it's been shown as common for vamps to be able to retain the ability to form emotional attachments. Darla picked Liam to be her soulmate for a reason. Angel felt a lot of affection towards Darla. William's "cure" for his mother was to turn her into a vampire; I don't see how that's different from any other vampire deciding to sire someone.


another is that unlike other vampires he always had a taste for food, just as much as blood. not that that is my main convincer, i'm just saying. not to mention that even before the whole ordeal with his chip he was willing to strike a deal with buffy, because unlike angelus he didn't want the world to end.

I've always found that deal a bit suspect. It sounds convincing that Spike would like this world, but if that's true than why was he willing to work with Drusilla in raising the Judge, which was going to kill all the humans? (Which is a really stupid plan for a vampire). My fanwank is that he was more motivated by jealousy towards Angel than any kind of humanity.


spike has always been conscious of his actions and only really seemed to enjoy the rush of the kill, rather than the torture and the pain like angelus.

True, but still evil.


now you may say, well that was angelus - all vampires are evil and whatnot. but that's not true. my point exactly is that spike is not like other vampires, he's unique in more ways than one. many say that's spike's chip ultimately lead to his soul, but i feel that regardless of the chip he would have realized his feeling for buffy and been there for her b/c of his obsession with her (which he would have later recognized to be love, ect.)

Well isn't Spike just the speshulest? I could never tell whether or not the writers were trying to change the rules of vampires in order to make Spike look better. His characterization really changed depending on who was writing him that week. But I don't believe what he ever felt for Buffy pre-soul (maybe even post-soul) was real love. It was twisted obsession. But we may have to just agree to disagree there. I especially don't think he would have even allowed himself to get so obsessed with her (in a romantic way) if he had been chipless; he would have been too busy trying to kill her.



not to mention spike's desire to seek a soul and be the "man" buffy deserved.

Spike's "decision" to get a soul was a complete retcon that James Marsters wasn't even aware of when he was playing the scenes at the end of Season 6. He thought Spike's purpose was to get his chip out, and that's in the dialogue. I guess the "Give the ***** what she deserves" line can be taken in both ways, but "I'm gonna make the Slayer pay?" How exactly does that relate to getting his soul back? IMO, Spike went there to get his chip out and was given his soul instead, no matter what Joss says after the fact.

If a vampire can choose to just not be evil any more, then that essentially makes Buffy a serial killer.



but also, spike always carried with him self hatred. he hated that he couldn't hate buffy and he hated the demon in him.

I think he hated that he couldn't be the man Buffy loved, but I think he definitely hated Buffy even when he claimed to love her.


angel on the other hand was forced into having a soul and when angelus came about he never desired to have a soul, in fact he dreaded that part of himself. and unlike william i feel that liam was a waste of space in his time.

Spike wasn't exactly praising Jesus about his gift of a soul, either. Neither man wanted it once they got it. It caused them pain and remorse and guilt and did I mention the pain? Add that to the First's taunting, and I think Spike dreaded that part of himself as well.

And it's not like Angel ever intentionally tried to lose his soul after he found out about the perfect happiness catch. He went out of his way to be unhappy just so that he could keep his soul. Spike didn't even have that clause, which IMO is unfair.


this of course is just IMO. but i do realize that angel did some good, but if anything, neither is deserving of their heartbeat for a while yet. but angel spent generations wasting his time long before he met buffy, while spike was able to basically jump right in (after a short killing spree :lol: )and help out,

Do you honestly think Spike would have jumped right in had he not already known Buffy? Both men were primarily motivated to do good because of her (until they went on to "Angel," in which each of them became more self-reliant characters). Spike was just lucky she was there to help him through the painful process of newly having a soul. Angel didn't have that. So again, they're pretty equal here.


he also has a passion for what he's doing that makes him that much more of a competitor in the fight for redemption.

I don't see how Spike has any more passion to do good than Angel does. Angel made it his mission. Spike just tagged along with Buffy, then later with Angel.

[slayfan]

I am soooo on board with Fat Elvis here. He took the words out of my mouth. As far as I'm concerned if the writers had wanted to have Spike actually love Buffy before season seven then he would have been given a soul sooner, because without a soul there can't be love, only sick twisted obsession. Not that I didn't like Spike because I did, I just hated the blurring of the lines here. They made it pretty clear right from the beginning that No Soul = Evil Monster. For them to try and change that because of the popularity of Spuffy just made everything they had told us previously a lie, and I just don't want to go there.

[Fat Elvis 007]

I am soooo on board with Fat Elvis here. He took the words out of my mouth. As far as I'm concerned if the writers had wanted to have Spike actually love Buffy before season seven then he would have been given a soul sooner, because without a soul there can't be love, only sick twisted obsession. Not that I didn't like Spike because I did, I just hated the blurring of the lines here. They made it pretty clear right from the beginning that No Soul = Evil Monster. For them to try and change that because of the popularity of Spuffy just made everything they had told us previously a lie, and I just don't want to go there.

Thank you, slayfan. I too like the character of Spike. But I think he never should have been made a main character. And yes, the writers did go way to far out of their way to accommodate the hardcore Spike/Spuffy fans. IMO, Spuffy is probably the biggest jumping-the-shark event ever to happen to the show and I so wish they had never gone there, barring of course the hilarity of "Something Blue."

[ClarkyBoy14]

First, I bought all the seasons of Angel and watched them. Now, I'm currently getting towards the end of Buffy S4.

I would find it hard to be a fan of one and not the other, considering all the shared characters. Not to mention the crossover stories and history behind stuff.

[vyperman7]

I was always a huge fan of BTVS. Loved it from the beginning. But when I saw advertisements running for Angel I was skeptical. I never cared for Angel or Cordelia on BTVS. Now they did a very good job with Angelus in S2. But for Angel, the development sucked because his main responsibility was to play Buffy's boyfriend. He wasn't built as a seperate character. So I had a very hard time seeing how they could possibly have a show run around him. However, I am happy to say that I really grew to love ATS and I gained a whole new respect for both Angel and Cordelia that I never would have had without the show. They managed to do a very good job bringing Angel into his own. Also, by adding an improved version of Wesley to the mix and other characters like Gunn, Fred, and Lorne, ATS took on a life of its own. I only wish that Doyle could have been around longer because he was my favorite character of the show.

I have always and will always like BTVS more than ATS, but ATS was a very good show.

One other weird thing is that even though Spike was my favorite character on BTVS, I did not like him on ATS. James Marsters coming onto the show felt a bit gimmicky to me, and as a whole, Spike just felt a bit out of place. Overall, S5 of ATS is probably my least favorite season. Don't get me wrong. There are some great eps in S5. But it is my least favorite season. My favorite seasons are S1 and S3. Season one had that fresh feel to it with the detective stories, my favorite ATS character Doyle, and the crossover stuff with BTVS. S3 had the Holtz/Angel/Connor story arc which I loved. If it hadn't of been for Jasmine, I probably would have ranked S4 as my second favorite season. The first half with the Beast, the return of Angelus and Faith, Willow guest appearing, etc.. Fantastic storytelling. But the season breaks down with the introduction of Jasmine.

[ginnyfan]

I guess I was a bit of a TV snob. I didn't watch the shows on the WB for various reasons.

I made friends with a girl in college who was a HUGE Buffy/Angel fan. It defined whatever night of the week it came on for her. So when I turned my nose up at it she loaned me Buffy Season 1... then 2... then 3... then I watched the last season with her. Maybe the last couple of Seasons. I adore seasons 1 and 2. 3 was good also. I'm a huge Faith fan but... I didn't like Riley or the chip in Spike's head or the army so I could never get into Season 4. Without 4 Season 5 is confusing... so... Huge holes.

Similarly with Angel I watched the last season with my friend and the first two on DVD. I liked Angel more than Buffy because it was more... in my age range. I was out of high school when I started watching both shows. So I guess I caught the tail end of both shows as they were going off the air. I love them both but I'm more of an Angel fan than a Buffy fan.

I'm a huge Willow fan. <3

[vyperman7]

ginny,

I couldn't agree more with you about S4. Riley is the most boring character and I hated the Iniative storyline. Also, Adam is probably the most boring villain. BTVS was great with villains most of the time because they had charisma and personality. But Adam was just so damn boring. So as a whole S4 is one of my least favorite seasons. It did have some great individual eps though. The only season I disliked more was S7.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

I watched them both, but I will always love BtVS more than Angel. I have both series on dvd like so many others, & have had marathons watching them.

[origin]

I just watched Buffy. I have seen a few episodes of Angel but I just couldn't get into it.

[vyperman7]

Hey everyone. I thought fans of ATS would enjoy this video that I made. My favorite season of ATS is S1, and this video pays tribute to Angel's first season. Set to Los Angeles by Sugarcult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgrYtJx0EcQ

[Dannyblue1]

i feel that in comparison to angel, spike was worthier of redemption. that is the basis of my argument.

I think the biggest indicator of who deserved redemption more was that Angel actually felt like he had to atone.

Spike went into complete denial about the bad things he did while soulless, and didn't think he had anything to atone for. As far as he was concerned, he did bad things once, he doesn't do bad things anymore, so where's his prize.

Angel believed he could never make up for all the bad things he did as Angelus, but he owed it to the world to try.

[Fat Elvis 007]

I think the biggest indicator of who deserved redemption more was that Angel actually felt like he had to atone.

Spike went into complete denial about the bad things he did while soulless, and didn't think he had anything to atone for. As far as he was concerned, he did bad things once, he doesn't do bad things anymore, so where's his prize.

Angel believed he could never make up for all the bad things he did as Angelus, but he owed it to the world to try.

Too much word to express.

[President_Luthor]

I didn't get into Buffy until end of Season 3 - probably because her high school era didn't appeal to my target demographic - but I watched the rest of the series. And Angel, which was more suited to my age range, I watched the entire series. I found Angel to be more adult and darker overall, but I liked both.

[slayfan]

I loved Angel and it probably should have appealed to me more as I was more in that age range than Buffy's but to me there is no question that Buffy is first in my love and Angel only second (actually third after Firefly). There is just something that I connect to with Buffy, maybe it's that I love the whole girl power tone of the show or maybe it's just that when I was in high school I always felt different. Not that I was an outcast but I always felt like it, maybe everyone feels that way I don't know, but Buffy connected to me in ways that no other show had ever done before, or since. This show, and the few others that had girl power themes at the time like Xena (which is not near as good IMO) changed the way we look at hero's in television. Before it was always men who were the hero that rushes in to save the day and Buffy changed that. It gave women power and even though this is just a fictional character on tv Buffy changed how girls view themselves and the world. Why can't we be just as heroic as men? Why can't we save the day and kick some monster ass? Anyway what I'm trying to say is that although Angel was an amazing show, with a lead character I loved from the moment I saw him on BtVS it will never affect me in the ways that Buffy did and that is what makes the difference. Okay enough rambling for now.

[bychance]

I loved Angel and it probably should have appealed to me more as I was more in that age range than Buffy's but to me there is no question that Buffy is first in my love and Angel only second (actually third after Firefly). There is just something that I connect to with Buffy, maybe it's that I love the whole girl power tone of the show or maybe it's just that when I was in high school I always felt different. Not that I was an outcast but I always felt like it, maybe everyone feels that way I don't know, but Buffy connected to me in ways that no other show had ever done before, or since. This show, and the few others that had girl power themes at the time like Xena (which is not near as good IMO) changed the way we look at hero's in television. Before it was always men who were the hero that rushes in to save the day and Buffy changed that. It gave women power and even though this is just a fictional character on tv Buffy changed how girls view themselves and the world. Why can't we be just as heroic as men? Why can't we save the day and kick some monster ass? Anyway what I'm trying to say is that although Angel was an amazing show, with a lead character I loved from the moment I saw him on BtVS it will never affect me in the ways that Buffy did and that is what makes the difference. Okay enough rambling for now.

Xena predates Buffy by two years, and although X:WP is far more inconsistent in quality and writing than Buffy unfortunately, I think Xena is a better show and character and is devastatingly underrated. And I don't care how much Joss Whedon tries, he'll never get me to believe Sarah Michelle Gellar can kick ass, lol. :o

[Dannyblue1]

And I don't care how much Joss Whedon tries, he'll never get me to believe Sarah Michelle Gellar can kick ass, lol. :o

Well SMG had a black belt before she got the role of Buffy. Heck, that probably made her a top runner for the part.

As for comparing BtVS and AtS, the one you think is better will always come down to personal preference. Both are great shows. In fact, I think BtVS was one of the best shows ever. And it did all the great things people say it did. (Helped to reshape our ideas of what makes a hero. Helped raise the bar on the type of quality audiences expect on this kind of show. Pushed the creative envelope doing episodes like "Hush" and "The Body.") Still, when it comes down to which show I personally liked better, which one had more of an impact on me, it's Angel.

[Hopefulsuicide]

buffy and angel are like two parts of the same show. trying to say i like one over the other is becoming increasingly impossible the more i watch the episodes. i simply could not give either one of them up...

i adore buffy angel and firefly fairly equally... when i list my favourite shows, i put them in as joint first... it's basically just a love of Joss and his creations

[Demien]

Of course I watched both! I loved the whole Slayer Universe. Angel sustained me when Buffy ended.

[Wicked Lois]

Yes... lol I was a Fay fan and Cordy

[ColdPlay3r]

watch and own both lol

spike was fav charecter. put the interesting and fun to the show

[redraven]

I was actually kind of obsessed with Buffy. It was pretty embarrassing. But I really just couldn't get into Angel nearly as much. I hated the fifth season of it...never hated any seasons of Buffy.

[Serynarpc]

I sure did. I was addicted. Friends and I started a website devoted to RPing BTVS and AtS (and yes, Firefly) because we were so into it. I'm still a bit sore that Angel had to be wrapped up so quickly, still a lot to work with.

I'm following After the Fall and BTVS Season 8 though, it is stunning what they can do wit limitless budget. If you're not reading and call yourself a fan, you should be!

[lauraforever]

Course I watched it! I still do Buffy and Angel DVD marathons!
I follow Buffy Season 8 comics but I quit Angel Season 6 ever since issue 4.

[Fat Elvis 007]

I'm following After the Fall and BTVS Season 8 though, it is stunning what they can do wit limitless budget. If you're not reading and call yourself a fan, you should be!

In the case of Season 8, it may have a limitless budget, but that doesn't make up for the poor writing, repetitive, overly drawn out storylines, and unlikeable characters.

I hear ATF is much better, but it seems a little too dark for me. Plus, I don't think I like how there seems to be a character death and resurrection in basically every single issue.

[actaeon]

I was totally hooked on BtVS. Angel, not so much. It always felt like just a spinoff to me... an orphan child without the creative juice that made BtVS one of the best shows ever on television.

Buffy had wit and effervescence. The wonderful mix of characters, the mismatch of personalities, all very quirky and yet somehow brought together so that they gelled-- that was genius. The underlying absurdity that gave zest to the plots. The originality of the premise (originality cannot make copies!). And the wonderful acting of ASH, AH, and of course SMG.

I watched Angel, but never really stuck with it. It was a lot heavier in tone than Buffy, was a lot like any of dozens of cop shows IMO-- the brooding, troubled tough guy antihero who busts chops. It was amusing when a slight blonde high-school girl did it, but Angel was just one more TV tough guy. I never cared much for DB's acting-- still don't, when I catch an episode of Bones. The english guy, whose name I don't recall, was no Giles. And Cordy just wasn't Cordy beyond high school and surrounded by a bunch of guys-- she was out of her element.

I did like Angel when they did the whole Illyria thing, though. That had some memorable moments.

[j-peezy]

Own collector sets of both Buffy and Angel, plus have Buffy seasons on DVD individually. I'm a fanatic. I watch them both at least once a year...along with Smallville--of course. Sometimes I think I need to get a life but after work I am too freakin tired! I love Buffy.

[InactiveUserID]

Buffy Season 6 switched me to flying an Angel flag because that season was so downer (except for the musical) that I liked Angel more that year and I realized I liked the Wolfram and Hart battle more than Buffy-fights-nerds (though Andrew was hilarious) or Buffy-fights-depression or Buffy-fights-Adam.

Comparing the shows' seasons side by side I'd say Season 2 of Buffy defined the franchise and is the best, followed by season 4 of Angel for the biggest and deepest armageddon of the Buffyverse, followed by Buffy 3 for Faith and that lovable Mayor Dick Wilkins, then Buffy's 5th for Dawn & Glory, followed by Angel 3 (or was it 2?) for Darla Darla Darla and the best Buffyverse argument in Dear Boy, Buffy 7 for its bigness but it was kinda aimless for a while too so it gets this spot, Angel 5 for Illyria whose dialogue with Wes I just find spellbinding (though I was disappointed with season 5 at the time I ended up watching it over and it grew on me), Buffy 4 for reasons I forget but it wasn't horrible like some people used to say, Angel 1 mostly for Lochley who left me distraught when she bailed on the show, and then the others.

So the seasons of the two shows are like the interwoven fingers of two hands joined in prayer to Lord Whedon.

[Fat Elvis 007]

Buffy Season 6 switched me to flying an Angel flag because that season was so downer (except for the musical) that I liked Angel more that year and I realized I liked the Wolfram and Hart battle more than Buffy-fights-nerds (though Andrew was hilarious) or Buffy-fights-depression or Buffy-fights-Adam.



Shoot, you ain't kidding. Halfway through that season I expected to see a commercial like this: "Next time, on a Very Special Buffy: Buffy fights adult-onset-diabetes. Meanwhile, Dawn becomes a prostitute."

[Hopefulsuicide]

In the case of Season 8, it may have a limitless budget, but that doesn't make up for the poor writing, repetitive, overly drawn out storylines, and unlikeable characters.

I hear ATF is much better, but it seems a little too dark for me. Plus, I don't think I like how there seems to be a character death and resurrection in basically every single issue.

I started reading the Buffy and Angel comics, but I'm holding off for a while now, for two reasons.

1. I like having the 7 seasons of Buffy and the 5 seasons of Angel as a complete, finished, well rounded story. It feels whole. I'm a bit worried that if i then add more story to the mix it will never feel this finished again, this perfect.

2. I'd prefer to read the stories when they are finished too, because maybe they will make more sense then (as I was finding it all a bit confusing). Then maybe i'll read them through.

[LJ-90]

I started to watch Angel on it's own...and loved it.

Then I saw Buffy season 1 to 3 in re runs, and I was a fan...but I just love Angel more, it was more dark and their battle always was about redemption, about making up for what've you done...and the idea of "endless battle without an winning prize at the end" for me was just beautiful...it showed you that life wasn't about happy endings, it was about the happiness in the road, even if the ending sucks those little moments in between make all of it worth it.

I liked Buffy, but for me Buffy was more about the good vs Evil, the fighting the good fight because if you don't no one will...and in Buffy you expected the happy ending.

In Angel it was more about fighting the good fight because it was the right thing to do, fighting because you were trying to make amends, because you've done wrong in the past and you want to do things right now. in Buffy you saw the hcaracters grow into more complex people, in Angel at least Doyle and Angel already were complex characters, they were trying to make amends and to what was right.

Besides, the evolution of Wesley was one of the rgeatest thing ever. I don't think even Lex was wrote like that.

[Briciola]

No, I watched only Buffy. Of course, I watched Angel a short time when Doyle was still alive, but as he died I stopped watching Angel. Doyle was my favorite character.

[Lori]

Loved Buffy, season three was my fav, 'five by five'

I enjoyed Angel until season four, I like to pretend season four didn't happen. I was devasted to see what happened with Cordy's character. The best thing about Angel was the growth of the Wesley character (and I loved him and fred together) then they kill him! Agh

[LuthorKent90]

No, I watched only Buffy. Of course, I watched Angel a short time when Doyle was still alive, but as he died I stopped watching Angel. Doyle was my favorite character.

Same for me. When I really started getting into it, they killed him off! :lol:

[nic25]

I watched both.Loved both.But Angel ended way too soon!

[takethatbabe]

I watched both.Loved both.But Angel ended way too soon!

I Defo Agree With You There Angel Should At Least Got One More Season :D

[xbrittnoel21x]

I was definitely a Buffy fan first and foremost. I actually only watched Angel a couple years after it ended when I decided to collect the DVD's. I mainly only got the DVD's at first for the few crossover eps between the series but ended up getting really into the show. But Buffy is still and always will be my first choice.

[BAMAGIRL]

My husband got hooked on Angel reruns that were being shown (and still are) around 5:30 and 6:00am on cable. He asked me to rent Angel from Netflix. I did and both of us got hooked. We watched all five seasons back to back on DVD.

There were a lot of Buffy references that we didn't understand, so of course we had to rent Buffy as well. The first season was a little campy, but we stuck with it and became addicted.

We recently purchased the Angel DVD's and have started re-watching. It is like watching from a new perspective, now that we know the Buffy backstory. We just finished season 1. :)

[efc 99]

I watched both. I liked Buffy but ultimately ended up liking Angel better. Its darker than Buffy and i thought the character development was excellent. The writers really screwed the characters around. Buts thats just my preference

Each to their own!

I'd have traded in the two seasons of Buffy for two more of Angel anyday.

[bonoferox]

Loved them both, but I ended up liking the story of Angel a lot more.

[A Flawed Fashion]

I watched them both, but Buffy was by far my favorite of the two. I almost never missed an episode of Buffy and was kind of obsessed with it as a teenager, but I never got as into Angel. Angel was a good show, but Buffy was the show I was always excited to see every week.

[fresley4ever]

I watched both of the series. I ended up liking Angel better than BTVS. It changed my opinion about Wesley. He went from being a character I hated to my favorite.

[Ella]

I watched both obsessively. Naturally, BTVS was my favorite but ANGEL was amazing too.

[fresley4ever]

I watched both obsessively. Naturally, BTVS was my favorite but ANGEL was amazing too.

That is cool. :) I actually liked Angel better.

[kernel_thai]

I came late to Buffy. Mostly because I wasnt a fan of the movie and thought the show would be similar. Then, during the second season, I started catching eps by accident. That got me hooked and I watched religiously thru the end.

I had a love hate relationship with Angel. I started at the beginning but wasnt crazy about the cast. Doyle drove me crazy and my fav character was Lockley. Then Doyle disappeared but soon Lockley was gone too. The up and down ride continued. Loved Wesley and Fred but not so much Connor and Loren.