Does Oliver Queen know that Clark is the Traveler? [Archive]

smallvillelogan

03-21-2008, 12:05 PM

It's possible. Lex, Oliver, and Patricia were obviously all children at the time of Veritas. Patricia knew, obviously by reading the diary, but perhaps she also could have learned a bit from her father? Lex didn't know, but this doesn't mean that maybe the Queens hadn't ever told their son about it? After all, when he's around, Oliver is always criticizing Clark for not using his powers more to improve the world. Perhaps this is because he knows a little bit more about the Last Son of Krypton?

MidgardDragon

03-21-2008, 12:19 PM

I think it's a good possibility and a storyline I'd love to see.

Yasise

03-21-2008, 12:25 PM

It would make sense. And maybe Patricia is not dead - we didn't actually see her dead, did we? - and Oliver and Clark will have to save her. Wow, would'nt be bad, would it?

KaraClarkfan

03-21-2008, 12:29 PM

that will be a great storyline. maybe the ending was just a cliffhanger or something..

Black Man of Steel

03-21-2008, 12:33 PM

Hmmm, I would say, maybe not, unless his parents kept journals as well. Patricia only knew because her dad had tons of logs kept. Remember, they were kids at the time.

MidgardDragon

03-21-2008, 12:57 PM

Hmmm, I would say, maybe not, unless his parents kept journals as well. Patricia only knew because her dad had tons of logs kept. Remember, they were kids at the time.

And if her Dad kept journals, there's a good possibility that the Queens kept journals.

Hopefulsuicide

03-21-2008, 12:59 PM

i wonder what Oliver would do if he found out who killed his parents?

Kal el of krypton

03-21-2008, 01:41 PM

clarkbunny

03-21-2008, 01:53 PM

I don't think Oliver knows anything about project Veritas as his parents died when he was quite young.

smallvillelogan

03-21-2008, 02:07 PM

i don't think oliver does know because him and lex were sort of friends in bording school. We know that patricia and lex were friends before the meteor shower when he lost his hair and then they slowly went distant.

oliver probably met lex in bording school.

Sort of friends? Hardly friends at all! They pretty much hated each other, in fact, to the point that after one of the friends died at that reunion Oliver at first thought Lex might be the culprit.

Now, one problem about Oliver reading any diaries is that even if his parents may have kept journals, they could have been destroyed on the ship...

ginnyfan

03-21-2008, 02:16 PM

Just as Lex was clueless about Veritas, I'm sure that Oliver is clueless also. Oliver has no interest in using Clark as a tool or Clark having a destiny that safeguards the future of the earth. So for him... Clark being a fellow hero and comrade is probably enough.

kp1984

03-21-2008, 02:20 PM

No wonder Oliver use to bully Lex, Lex dad killed his parents J/k. It's kind of Ironic how it work out though.

Ilovebeinglost

03-21-2008, 02:44 PM

Oliver knows that Clark has special powers and maybe even where he is from. I think the question should be, does he know that his father was involved in this secret society that were waiting for this traveler to arrive.

Who said Patricia isn't dead? Save her from what? a gun shot to the head? That locket must have had something important for Lex to have had her shot and in the previews it looks like it held a key to something important.

When Lionel said, "what's coming is so horrible" it kind of creeped me out because who know what dangers are coming upon us as we write and think this is all a fantasy but we don't have a superman to save our world here in reality world.

smallvillelogan

03-21-2008, 02:55 PM

No wonder Oliver use to bully Lex, Lex dad killed his parents J/k. It's kind of Ironic how it work out though.

True. Oliver may have disliked Lex since boarding school because he has had his suspicions over the person behind his parents death for all that time.

hogwartsmallville

03-21-2008, 04:19 PM

I think that a lot of the answers are on the last episode of Justice & Doom webisodes located on season six dvd set, because there is the scene of the luthors, swann's, teagues and queen's talking, there's also explanation of different stuff like chinese, like the fortress, isobel and a lot of things, you should watch it and please I need someone to analize that one because there`s a lot of questions. Also on this dvd set, in the oliver queen's chronicles in the first episodes ollie's parents mention Dr. Virgill Swann.... there's a lot going on, but all I can say is that it has been cooking a lot time ago....

Humdinger

03-21-2008, 05:05 PM

Vergon6

03-21-2008, 05:27 PM

I don't think he knows Clark is the Traveler, but I figure he knows Clark is an alien, but who knows.

As for Patricia being alive, I don't think so, unless she is a vegetable or somehow miraculously alive in some other fashion (if you have seen the latest South Park, you will no the disturbing image I am talking about).

clana4everfan2

03-21-2008, 07:17 PM

I don't think Oliver knows anything about Vertias of who killed his parents. But I wouldn't doubt that if he finds out that it was Lionel that he would then kill him.

LoveHurts38

03-21-2008, 07:30 PM

I doubt it...but, maybe.

maryjanewatson

03-21-2008, 08:53 PM

I don't think oliver knows about Clarks origins. as far as he knows, clark is just like AC and Bart. Special powers with out meteor rock.

Eri-El

03-21-2008, 09:04 PM

I don't think so, I think Oliver only says things to him about using his powers because TODAY he knows Clark as Clark and knows Clark has powers....I don't think he knows he is the Traveler or the Last Son Of Krypton.

Yasise

03-22-2008, 03:30 AM

And if her Dad kept journals, there's a good possibility that the Queens kept journals.

Yes indeed. I think Oliver might know about the Traveler, too, even if he didn't connect Clark with him when he met him. It would be really good actually, if there would be that "Veritas" connection between them. I mean, we know now about it, why shouldn't Ollie?

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..........Now, one problem about Oliver reading any diaries is that even if his parents may have kept journals, they could have been destroyed on the ship...

Yes, but they could have kept them in a safe at their home, too. We don't know yet, we can only point out, that there is a big chance, that Oliver could possibly know, too.:)

Radioflyer

03-22-2008, 03:50 AM

Does Oliver Queen know his penthouse is getting used and messed up?

Yasise

03-22-2008, 05:07 AM

Does Oliver Queen know his penthouse is getting used and messed up?

Yeah interesting question, as it is used so much, e.g. in "Crimson", "Persona" etc.

RichardMarx

03-22-2008, 09:58 AM

Is Clark the "Traveler"? How do we know it's not Jorel or some other Kryptonian?

Twitch

03-22-2008, 10:12 AM

Is Clark the "Traveler"? How do we know it's not Jorel or some other Kryptonian?

Well since both Lionel and Patricia called him the Traveler many times during the episode, I'd say it's Clark. ;)

And I don't think Oilver knows, the Veritas parents hid their work from their children according to Patricia. She only found out because Virgil had done all that research by himself in the planetarium and she inherited it when he died.

chlo-el

03-22-2008, 10:37 AM

I don't think Oliver knows anything about Vertias of who killed his parents. But I wouldn't doubt that if he finds out that it was Lionel that he would then kill him.

Well according to the Queen Chronicles he did hear the name Vertias and at least knows it has something to do with his parents and Bridget Crosby and Virgil Swan.

I think that Oilver would have eventually tried to investigte his parents . And the way we've seen him Lionel Luther I bet he at least expected him of the .

As for Clark I think it's possible that Olivers father kept simular journals that Virgil Swan kept about the Trveler then I bet Oliver would expect Clark to be the Traveler.

warriorrenegade

03-22-2008, 11:33 AM

Yasise

03-22-2008, 02:48 PM

I believe Ollie knows of the Traveler, but hasn't linked it with Clark. All he knows about Clark is that he's got powers. For all Ollie knows he's just some meteor freak, not an alien from another planet who's destined for greater things.

I hope, the writers let Ollie link his knowledge with Clark. It would be cool, if Ollie also wants to be someone, who's there for Clark - just like Patricia promised, but might not be able to fulfil now (if she's really dead, I mean)

Oliver and Clark are good friends already, but it would give their fríendship more depth and meaning, wouldn't it?

chlo-el

03-22-2008, 03:52 PM

I believe Ollie knows of the Traveler, but hasn't linked it with Clark. All he knows about Clark is that he's got powers. For all Ollie knows he's just some meteor freak, not an alien from another planet who's destined for greater things.

Yes, but he does know that Clarks weakness is Kryptonite unlike any of the other people w/ powers he has met. So if he knows that much about the "Traveler" he could connect it if Clark.

kraami

03-22-2008, 04:49 PM

I think it's obvious that Queen doesn't know anyhting about the traveler or the veritas thing. What the question should be now is Now that clark knows that Lionel killed queens parents does he tell queen about it all? Afterall doesnt oliver have the right to know that his parents died protecting the traveler?

SV'S_immortal_hero

03-23-2008, 03:18 AM

KEakaCK

03-23-2008, 06:03 PM

Is everyone positively sure that Lex doesn't know anything about Veritas? I found it weird that Lex would inquire about Patricia's necklace. It's not like Lex is into fashion of any kind. So why would he ask her about the necklace? During that scene between Lex and Patricia, I could only see the swan but at the end of the episode, the symbol of Veritas is right above the swan. Hmmmm...As Sherlock Holmes would say, somethings a foot.
Wait, was it Holmes that said that? LOL

Hopefulsuicide

03-23-2008, 08:41 PM

well if people think about it why has ollie been so obsessed with getting clark off the farm? why did ollie when he was introduced search for people with special abilities?

having watched this ep it now makes me think that ollie hasnt been acting badly towards clark for thinking he doesnt care about people in the world, ollie will just have a higher expectation of the traveler his parents were meant to protect, clark whos meant to protect the world

ollie is obsessed with getting Clark of the farm because it's the right thing to do. because he knows that Clark could be helping save the world and the fact that he doesnt, when Oliver's risks are alot higher, really upsets him

ollie was looking for peole with special abilites in order to help with his cause. same reasons as above.

i dont think he does treat Clark badly, i think Clark is in the wrong, he is a reluctant hero. Ollie doesnt have high expectations of Clark, only the same expecations he has of himself.

SV'S_immortal_hero

03-23-2008, 08:53 PM

im not denying the fact that ollie puts himself in harms way to do a job he wants clark to do instead my point is that after watching this ep it puts more reason behind why ollie's been the way he has towards clark like i said ollies parents died on there quest to protect the traveler, a traveler that we know is clark and clark by smallville prophecies is to protect the world

but anyway we all have our own opinions

WickedJenn

03-24-2008, 10:27 AM

I'm doubting Oliver knows Clark is the Traveler specifically. He only knows that Clark has abilities, and that he's obviously not your regular guy. I don't think he's quite sure where Clark got them or if he's always had them, they never really elaborate on that aspect. Ollie's not concerned with that it seems, anyway. In "Justice", we saw the scene where Chloe had them get Clark out of the kryptonite-filled room, but no one questioned why he was affected by it...not that it was important to the episode or anything, but it just shows that Clark's origins are not a concern for Oliver or the rest of the league. Clark's either said "I was born this way" or something along those lines and left it at that, and the other person never pushed him further.

However, I really hope they do let us know about the Queens and what really happened to them, because if it IS true, wow.

What an episode that would be!

jimmyolsenblues

03-25-2008, 06:17 AM

i don't think oliver knows anything about veritas.

JaredThaJa

03-25-2008, 06:39 AM

The quesiton is if he knows about the Traveler at all, if he does he clearly has the epices put otgather.

But we don't know how muhcVeritas knowledge he inherited.

sirconical

03-25-2008, 07:07 AM

I voted yes he does know, but after reading through the posts my vote has been swayed. I didn't catch the bit where Patty said they kept the work hidden from their kids, but it makes sense. Lex doesn't know, Jason didn't know initially, and Patricia found out by herself, so why would Oliver know.

Saying all that though, Oliver's parents are dead aren't they? He would've inherited everything also, and had the means to find out about it. Possibly.

All about Clark

03-25-2008, 11:13 AM

It appeared to me that Swann was the only one who could translate the kryptonian, which probably meant he was the only one with hard documentation. Lionel didn't appear to have anything until he was the oracle. So by that reasoning, I would say that none of the children except Patricia would have had anything to review upon the parents death. So I don't think Oliver knows anything about his parents activities or Veritas.

Although, I think it would be really interesting if Oliver were to learn that his parents died protecting Clark and that Lionel did it.

krpto

03-25-2008, 01:10 PM

[QUOTE=Ilovebeinglost;3662903]

Who said Patricia isn't dead? Save her from what? a gun shot to the head?QUOTE]

Several other characters have come back from the dead at one time or another. PS could have been left for dead and the necklace taken and ollie and the gang could have found her and working on her. I mean Ollie has that serum that healed him I am sure he didn't destroy it all. O,llie could have PS in the proto-JL hospital since I am sure he and the rest of the jl get injures they don't want to explain to a normal hospital. Ollie, bart, or and of the other JLers could have found patricia left for dead and they could be working on her right now. I am sure if Lex knew who PS was ollie would to and he wouldn't let her die.

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But back on topic I don't think Ollie sees clark as the traveler though PS might reveal part of clark destiny to ollie since she is new to the whole secret thing. If pete can call the meteor rocks kryptonite in front of jimmy I am sure PS could make a slip in front of ollie while recovering from the bullet.

LexLuv180

03-25-2008, 02:12 PM

It would just be silly for them to pretend she's alive later on. It's clear she was killed.

smallvillelogan

04-17-2008, 12:46 PM

Going by what we saw in 'Veritas,' I now think Oliver doesn't know. It looks like since Lex was the only one of the four children to witness a Veritas committee meeting, that every other parent would have kept the society hidden from their children- unless they were to see without the parents' willingness, of course, as Lex did.

#7superherofan

11-27-2008, 04:08 PM

I don't think he knows. However,given the season finale of Season 7, a cool plot line for the season 8 premiere would be that Oliver finds out. Maybe a long forgotten diary from his parents, the only ones who stayed loyal to Virgil Swann, and Oliver and crew are instrumental in saving the Traveler/Neman from being controlled by Lex/Segeeth. This is all my own humble, OFF-TOPIC(just remembered,sorry) opinion, and Season 8's already started,but I only get to watch Smallville on DVD, so I've had a lot of time to think of what I'd like to see happen.