Lionel; guiding hand in Kent adoption?

[nabadua]

From the revelations in this episode, and from the quick promo for next week, do you think Lionel helped the Kent's in full knowledge of who Clark really was?

[Vergon6]

It's possible. He probably had a strong feeling at least that Clark was the Traveler but didn't get confirmation until much later. After all, he frequently took an interest in Clark and the Caves.

[minerva73]

I don't think so because the Kents basically hated Lionel Luthor and Jonathan made that clear numerous times in Season 1.

Also even though Lionel knew that there was a traveler coming to Earth, he didn't know who it was. He just had a general idea of it. I think that it's kinda like knowing that there's going to be a winner in a contest, but not knowing who the winner is.

Unless I read the post wrong or something. :o

[Kal-alien]

I am inclined to agree with you. I never really thought about it.. But it is very possible that he put two and two together and was formulating some theories. And at the very worst, he's a billionaire with the means to do these things, and it wouldn't affect him in any financial way, PLUS the Kents would then , in his eyes, owe him a favor in th future which he could cash in on down the road. And if in fact clark was the traveler, a favor would be pretty good for Lionel.

[LexLuv180]

No, I don't think he knew at all at first. He never would just assume the baby was an alien. I don't think he started piecing things together until Dr. Hamilton came to him when he was blind. With the meteor shower, I doubt he pierced it with an alien arrival until evidence starting showing later. This explains why, when the caves were discovered, he was more open-minded and inclined to 'look to the stars'.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Before Lionel knew who Clark really was, he was trying to find out if he was the Traveler...... makes sense. I wonder before Lionel "change" with Jor-els help, I wonder what he would have done with the traveler? mmmmmmmm

[Hopefulsuicide]

i think he must have suspected something... this kid just showing up in the meteor shower, with no record of where he came from... i would have suspected it

but he probably had a list of other suspects, and would have just added Clark's name to it. Cyrus was prob on that list lol.

it wouldnt be until other things started happening that he focused all his energy on this one boy, cause he would be more sure

[LexLuv180]

He was intent on saving his own life, so I'm sure he would have taken him prisoner and took the parts he needed. Sounds grim but we all know that's how the nasty MB would have worked.

[Humdinger]

I doubt if Lionel knew about the baby and I don't think the Veritas group was looking for a child, or they would have zeroed in on Clark when the meteor shower occurred in Smallville. Lionel helped the Kents because he was busy acquiring as much real estate in Smallville as he could at that time. And the MB was always ready to do a favor, so he could turn around and have the recipient pay the piper when they least expected or wanted to.

[Hopefulsuicide]

well it makes sense though, they were looking for a traveler, and Lionel sees this meteor shower, and suspects that the kents just found this boy during it... he wouldnt want any of the other members to know about it, that it wa even a possibility, so he helped the kents in order to keep it secret from the rest of the group

they all might have started turning heads if they had this little boy show up without any adoption records

lionel's aquisition of the ross farm was a happy bonus

[smallvillefreak24]

HE COULDN'T HAVE--why was he so obsessive over clark in s3 then he was downright evil!

[Eri-El]

I don't think so because the Kents basically hated Lionel Luthor and Jonathan made that clear numerous times in Season 1.

Also even though Lionel knew that there was a traveler coming to Earth, he didn't know who it was. He just had a general idea of it. I think that it's kinda like knowing that there's going to be a winner in a contest, but not knowing who the winner is.

Unless I read the post wrong or something. :o


I'm just a little confused.......How did Veritas know that there would be a Traveler coming inthe first place? (Before the meteor shower ever even happened)???????:confused:

[LexLuv180]

Not sure, but there's some speculation that, from the phantom zone, Zod spoke to a Teague through some kind of crystal long ago, foretelling of the stones. I'm not too familiar on that aspect of the mythos, though, and it's never been covered in the show.

[Vergon6]

Well Dr. Swann had intercepted a transmission from Krypton before its destruction, but he apparently took years to decipher it.

As for Lionel knowing Clark's secret, on second thought, it seems more likely that he had a strong feeling it was Clark when he was blind or sometime after that as someone else pointed out. Especially, Season 3, rather than when Clark was a baby.

[Ilovebeinglost]

I'm just a little confused.......How did Veritas know that there would be a Traveler coming inthe first place? (Before the meteor shower ever even happened)???????:confused:

sounds like they studied the stars, astrology etc

[cygnusx1]

he helped the kents with the adoption because jk saved young lex's life. i would guess his interest was peaked when hamilton found the octagon key. then there was an episode later in season 1 when the cropduster pilot says he saw a spaceship in the shower. blind lionel found the 2 bullets in red that clark shot into his hand. the cave symbols i think were on the key which put him on track to clark. then season 3 when the hope symbol was burned into the barn alerted swann to the traveler. who knows maybe lionel honored a deal the veritas group made by not exposing clark to the world. hope the next episode fills this story in

[xrayvision]

I don't think he knew back then. I never watched the whole Justice & Doom thing, so I may have missed something that was revealed, but how did the Veritas society members know that there was a traveler? Those meetings were before the Kawatche cave paintings were discovered by Clark & Kyla. Sure the Naman legend existed long before they were found, but did Veritas members consult with the Kawatche? I don't think they did. Prior to Duplicity, Lionel did not take a keen interest in Clark. He knew that Lex was up to something because he couldn't find out what Lex was spending money on (this was late in season 1 when he sent Dominic after Lex in Reaper). In Duplicity he felt Clark's spaceship after Dr. Hamilton led him to it when he was blind. Ever since then, he thought of Clark as a "special young man". But prior to this, Lionel was mainly up to his Level 3 experiments. I think that's what another poster told me was revealed in Justice & Doom. That and how Zod contacted Gertrude (which sounds stupid to me since she was around hundreds of years before Zod, Jor-El, Clark, etc but whatever...). Maybe this could mean that they thought Zod was the traveler and that's why the Veritas members considered the traveler a threat. So maybe Zod was the reason Lionel made Level 3 and did all those experiments. And perhaps that's why Swann was so interested in finding out about life in space. I think Swann was surprised when he got the message from Jor-El about Kal-El, and from then on he started keeping secrets from the rest of Veritas because he thought they would kill Kal-El. And I think Lionel also learned the truth about Clark not being evil as he thought. Instead, when he found out that Zod was in fact coming as of Vessel, he was ready to step aside to let Clark kill Lex before that happened.

Could this be why Lionel remained Jor-El's vessel--because Jor-El knew that Lionel had spent a signifcant portion of his life preparing to stop Zod? I know Lionel was in the right place at the right time as the essence of Jor-El was being transferred from the cave to 2 out of 3 stones that were unified on the altar & the 3rd in Lionel's pocket. But I think Jor-El could have chosen a different vessel in Hidden. Yet he remained to use Lionel.

[Vergon6]

That could be. Somehow I think that the whole Zod contacting Gertrude thing will be ignored in Veritas though. Just because how silly it sounds ;)